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Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: VWE on October 26, 2007, 12:22:12 PM
What ever happend to the A350, haven't heard much from airbroke lately...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EdeQ5xYrGDo
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Yeager on October 26, 2007, 12:26:02 PM
last I heard they were still trying to decide whether to use aluminum or composit on the airframe.
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Bodhi on October 26, 2007, 12:33:35 PM
ROTFLMFAO!
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Stang on October 26, 2007, 12:58:03 PM
Heh, I love these threads.
Title: Re: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Louis XVII on October 26, 2007, 02:01:10 PM
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Originally posted by VWE
haven't heard much from airbroke lately...
Then you not been listening! First commercial flights yesterday and today - Singapore/Sydney.

Oh wait, that was the A380 - the world's largest airliner.

:D
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: VWE on October 26, 2007, 07:29:59 PM
I did hear about that 3 year delayed boon doggle, what's the break even number now... oh yeah 420! Just about 1/3 the way there with 159 orders so far. :aok
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Furball on October 27, 2007, 03:56:29 AM
If eet ain't a boein, i ain't goin'!
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: moot on October 27, 2007, 04:07:29 AM
OOOOo-EEEe !
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Dowding on October 27, 2007, 07:12:33 AM
Oh the humanity! And the bitterness!
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Nilsen on October 27, 2007, 08:20:06 AM
Commercial aviation is prolly the most boring things of all... right down there with soccer.

Who cares about it anywaY? They are busses and ferries with wings. :D
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: MiloMorai on October 27, 2007, 10:01:25 AM
Sailing is pretty boring as well.
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Nilsen on October 27, 2007, 10:16:08 AM
lies!
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Louis XVII on October 27, 2007, 11:36:10 AM
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Originally posted by VWE
I did hear about that 3 year delayed boon doggle, what's the break even number now... oh yeah 420! Just about 1/3 the way there with 159 orders so far. :aok
159 orders yesterday? It's jumped to 189 today. I copied THIS from a press release on the Airbus website:
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To date, total orders and commitments for the A380 are 189 from 16 customers. Subsequent aircraft for delivery to Singapore Airlines, Emirates Airlines and Qantas are also well on track.
So, another 30 orders since when you posted yesterday. At that rate, they'll reach the break even point in less than a month! :aok
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Nilsen on October 27, 2007, 11:46:15 AM
hmm..

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/10/jumbo-boondoogl.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/10/17/218681/exclusive-us-considers-airbus-a380-as-air-force-one-and-potentially-a-c-5-replacement.html
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: crockett on October 27, 2007, 01:02:50 PM
lol funny vid
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: VWE on October 27, 2007, 11:36:26 PM
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Originally posted by Louis XVII
159 orders yesterday? It's jumped to 189 today. I copied THIS from a press release on the Airbus website:  So, another 30 orders since when you posted yesterday. At that rate, they'll reach the break even point in less than a month! :aok


We are at the 7 year mark since the 380's inception with 1 aircraft delivered, at the same point in time Boeing had delivered 213 747's... an aircraft that was designed with slide rulers not computers. Without U.S. carriers buying, it'll never make a profit because it won't sell enough. The only U.S. customers are UPS and FedEx.
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Holden McGroin on October 28, 2007, 12:05:08 AM
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Originally posted by VWE
The only U.S. customers are UPS and FedEx.


Not anymore

Fedex cancelled its 10 orders and bought 777's.

UPS cancelled their 10 as well.
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Louis XVII on October 28, 2007, 05:21:57 AM
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Originally posted by VWE
Without U.S. carriers buying, it'll never make a profit because it won't sell enough.  
BS.

The A380 was never destined for the US market, and was certainly never destined for large airlines like American Airlines - largest airline in the world.  There will however be some routes which have US destinations, which is why various US airports have been made "A380 ready".

You may not know, but the most important aircraft to AA, the world's largest airline, is the MD80, ie not the B747. As far as I know, AA never even had any 747 so they sure as hell were never expected to buy any 380. That would have been a given from the outset.
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: expat on October 28, 2007, 06:22:50 AM
seems all is not well in the 787 world , Boeing have announced a six month  delay .Building a new airliner with cutting edge technology isnt as easy as it seems
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Nashwan on October 28, 2007, 07:08:52 AM
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Without U.S. carriers buying, it'll never make a profit because it won't sell enough.


US airlines have few 747s in operation. British airways has more 747s than all the major US airlines combined.

Whilst this is from wikipedia, it does give some idea of the major markets for the 747:

In August 2006, a total of 627 Boeing 747-400 aircraft (all versions) were in airline service, with 46 further firm orders. Major operators include: Air China (12), Air India (12), Air New Zealand (8), All Nippon Airways (23), Asiana Airlines (14), Cathay Pacific (30, plus 6 on order), China Airlines (34, plus 2 on order), EVA Air (18), Japan Airlines (44), Korean Air (43), Malaysia Airlines (19), Qantas (30), Singapore Airlines (23), Singapore Airlines Cargo (15), Thai Airways International (18), Air France (21), British Airways (57), Cargolux (14, plus 2 on order), KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (25, plus 1 on order), Lufthansa (30), Virgin Atlantic Airways (13), Atlas Air (11), Northwest Airlines (16) and United Airlines (31). Some 24 airlines also operate the type, but in smaller numbers.
Title: A350 vs. 787
Post by: Holden McGroin on October 28, 2007, 07:54:46 AM
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Originally posted by expat
seems all is not well in the 787 world , Boeing have announced a six month  delay .Building a new airliner with cutting edge technology isnt as easy as it seems


Launch to delivery:

A380 just shy of 7 years

A340 about 6 years

B777 4 1/2 years

B787 (presently scheduled) 4 1/2 yrs

ther 4 year timeline the attempted was hugely ambitious