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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LePaul on October 26, 2007, 03:22:36 PM
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Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I
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Nice smear campaign.
I feel for you all in the next election. Not a decent candidate on the ballot is there?
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not really
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I smell swiftboat tactics.
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No they are all criminals in my book. I dont know what it is about the Clitons that people like. Im glad things like this are there to shed light ...or darkness upon them.
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Im leaning towards ANY REPUBLICAN at this point :D
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Originally posted by skernsk
Nice smear campaign.
I feel for you all in the next election. Not a decent candidate on the ballot is there?
how is that a smear campaign? It's her own words.
ask Dick Morris about hillary clinton.
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Originally posted by john9001
how is that a smear campaign? It's her own words.
ask Dick Morris about hillary clinton.
Ask Vince Foster about Hillary, oh wait, too late for that..
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Pssst....
Hillary is REALLY Voss....
Explains alot now doesn't it?
:O
Mac
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I'm not a fan of her's. Never will be. I'm not going to vote for her BUT I don't view her as being any more corrupt than any other politician at the national level from either mainstream party. The last thing on any their minds is serving the best interests of the citizens of the United States. The American public doesn't, for the most part, have fond memories of former Alabama Gov. George Wallace. Nor do I. But one thing I'll always remember him saying when running as an independent in '68 when asked about Democrats and Republicans was, "Ain't a dime's wuf of difference between 'em".
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Originally posted by 1K3
I smell swiftboat tactics.
You mean where the candidate's former associates tell the truth about what the candidate REALLY did?
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Let's just see how this will turn out on the national media.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Let's just see how this will turn out on the national media.
Now that is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. :rofl
MSM reporting on this? :rofl
Thanks for the laughs.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Now that is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. :rofl
MSM reporting on this? :rofl
Thanks for the laughs.
Surprise surprise
Fox news had a blurb about it but it's no longer even front page news.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305485,00.html
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Surprise surprise
Fox news had a blurb about it but it's no longer even front page news.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305485,00.html
:eek:
Well, if anyone had anything about it it would be Fox.
Shame that this is swept under the rug.
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Wow.. if you think there is something there you have nothing upstairs.
"I'm not sure what you're doing, but can I say thank you". "I've been breifed by Kelly"...
This equates to election fraud? My god people, your hate for Hillary has blinded you. Try to wake up before all your brain cells waste away.
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Concerning the Swiftboat vets analogy...
All the Dems DEMANDED that that Bush's military records be spilled. They were and the crusade to try to knock his service failed (ask Dan Rather).
Yet Mr Kerry would not unseal his service records to the same scrutiny.
Intriguing, isnt it?
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Originally posted by LePaul
Intriguing, isnt it?
No, it was shameful.
A decorated veteran is treated like a traitor and the entire republican party stands by and applauds. One of the most sickening political events I've ever witnessed.
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Yet he was the first to scorn Bush's service.
You like the double standard. You feel compelled to challenge anyone, yet when the challenge is pointed back at yourself, you cry foul.
That, sir, is shameful.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Yet he was the first to scorn Bush's service.
You like the double standard. You feel compelled to challenge anyone, yet when the challenge is pointed back at yourself, you cry foul.
That, sir, is shameful.
Foul? You're not making sense. Try again.
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:lol What a ****storm this campaign is getting to be... Corruption everywhere.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Yet he was the first to scorn Bush's service.
You like the double standard. You feel compelled to challenge anyone, yet when the challenge is pointed back at yourself, you cry foul.
That, sir, is shameful.
Contrived, not clever.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No, it was shameful.
A decorated veteran is treated like a traitor and the entire republican party stands by and applauds. One of the most sickening political events I've ever witnessed.
Kerry was a self decorated veteran who DID act like a traitor. Of course, that shouldn't stop the republicans from treating him as such.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I
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The reason this video isn't all over nightly news, is Ron Paul is a known con-man. His intentions with the Clintons was devious at best, and he is not going to have a leg to stand on in court, otherwise you'd see this thing all over the networks. I can't stand these politicians these days, they all are a bunch of deviant, corrupt, greedholes on both sides!
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Kerry was a self decorated veteran who DID act like a traitor. Of course, that shouldn't stop the republicans from treating him as such.
Testifying before congress about crimes against humanity hardly makes one a traitor, that is unless you are of the opinion that killing unarmed women and children should be kept between friends. Anytime a war is fought with no clear goal, and in a guerilla style, you will have even the best soldiers succomb to crimes against humanity, as we have seen in IRAQ already. That's not to say that all are doing it, as I certainly do not believe that to be true, but a soldier starts to hate the indigenous people as he and his buds slowly start to get waxed by guerilla tactics. Mistrust of the public you're there to help leads to abuse. It's as old as war itself. All crimes against humanity should be shouted from the highest hilltop and to all corners of the world, no matter who the culprits are.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No, it was shameful.
A decorated veteran is treated like a traitor and the entire republican party stands by and applauds. One of the most sickening political events I've ever witnessed.
I'd say his coming back and lying about other vets to further his political career had something to do with that.
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Originally posted by LePaul
All the Dems DEMANDED that that Bush's military records be spilled. They were and the crusade to try to knock his service
What service? You gonna defend a spoiled brat getting out of serving in vietnam and avoiding courtmarshal for being AWOL? Or are you saying he wasn't AWOL? Maybe you're defending the fact that the records were manipulated?
I have never been a fan of Kerry, but he did serve in vietnam, and however it actually went down, noone ever disputed that he did in fact come under enemy fire. Lil bush was too much of a coward to risk a stray bullet.
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Peter Paul, not Ron Paul.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
The reason this video isn't all over nightly news, is Ron Paul is a known con-man. His intentions with the Clintons was devious at best, and he is not going to have a leg to stand on in court, otherwise you'd see this thing all over the networks. I can't stand these politicians these days, they all are a bunch of deviant, corrupt, greedholes on both sides!
Just like the forged awol document Dan Rather and CBS refused to give national attention to. Oh wait, they did.
It's not about credibility at all, it's about political agenda.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'd say his coming back and lying about other vets to further his political career had something to do with that.
Which statement did he lie about?
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Originally posted by moot
Peter Paul, not Ron Paul.
oops! :D
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skyrock... in combat, every army in the world has done horrible things. The longer the conflict and the longer the men are in it.. the more atrocities.. the crueler the enemy the more atrocities.
But... American soldiers are probly the most humane of any soldiers the world has ever fielded. more moral than their enemies in every case.
That is not to say the atrocities should not be reported when committed... to the contrary.. that is what makes us moral. I just believe the kerries reportings were not only false but... politically motivated.
as for hillary... she is a total political animal and an avowed socialist.. In a new book on her they mention that she has a couch pillow embroidered with "take and spend" she really believes in socialism.. she believes in society raising children instead of families and she believes in taking away the rights given us by the constitution especially the second.. because she fears it.
Like all good commies.. the rules don't apply to her... she can smear and lie and steal and kill and it is ok because... she believes the commie motto
The end justifies the means.
thing they never think off is.. all we have is the means.. we don't know what the end is or even if it is what we expect. even the most rabid socialist might be appalled if he got what he wanted...
I don't think any democrat candidate out there is any better than her in that respect.. they are all evil socialists but... none are quite as immoral as her.... some close but... none as pure evil.
lazs
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Originally posted by AKIron
Just like the forged awol document Dan Rather and CBS refused to give national attention to. Oh wait, they did.
It's not about credibility at all, it's about political agenda.
cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, fox, there all a bunch of blowhards if you ask me. Tell us if you believe GWBush served all of his time where he was supposed to?
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Originally posted by lazs2
I just believe the kerries reportings were false
lazs
Which ones? Name one statement he made that did not occur in vietnam.
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I don't know and I don't really care much either. Now if his unit had gone to Vietnam without him we might have somethig to talk about.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Which ones? Name one statement he made that did not occur in vietnam.
According to others who were there he lied about quite a lot.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38535
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Testifying before congress about crimes against humanity hardly makes one a traitor, that is unless you are of the opinion that killing unarmed women and children should be kept between friends. Anytime a war is fought with no clear goal, and in a guerilla style, you will have even the best soldiers succomb to crimes against humanity, as we have seen in IRAQ already. That's not to say that all are doing it, as I certainly do not believe that to be true, but a soldier starts to hate the indigenous people as he and his buds slowly start to get waxed by guerilla tactics. Mistrust of the public you're there to help leads to abuse. It's as old as war itself. All crimes against humanity should be shouted from the highest hilltop and to all corners of the world, no matter who the culprits are.
His testimony was a LIE, it has been proven he was not where he claimed to be when the events occurred and in fact he is guilty of perjury. He refuses to sign off on the release of his service record and in fact he didn't even get an actual discharge until CARTER gave him one. His "Winter Soldier" testimony is a known and proven LIE, and everyone in the military knows it. That is the reason he will NEVER sign off to release his records. Along with the fact he was NEVER in Cambodia as he claimed, and he put himself in for every "decoration" he was awarded.
And, just so you know, meeting with North Vietnamese officials in Paris while wearing his uniform but not being authorized to do so IS TREASON. He did it, and he brags about it.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, fox, there all a bunch of blowhards if you ask me. Tell us if you believe GWBush served all of his time where he was supposed to?
kerry also got a early release from the military to work on a political campaign, at that time the war was winding down and the military was giving early release to many because they were not needed.
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Hehe
(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gif)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Which ones? Name one statement he made that did not occur in vietnam.
ALL of the statements he made are FALSE, because he was NEVER THERE When it happened. Look it up, it's a proven fact that Kerry testified to rumors he HEARD, and NOTHING he actually SAW. He was NOT THERE to SEE it happen. Therefore ANY testimony he gives is at best second hand and completely inadmissible in ANY court. All of these "atrocities" that he SWEARS he was WITNESS to and a PARTICIPANT in and yet he has NEVER actually been called to testify in any court martial case according to what records CAN be released, since Kerry himself will never release his records? Ever wonder why? Because there's not a shred of factual evidence to support his testimony.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
His testimony was a LIE, it has been proven he was not where he claimed to be when the events occurred and in fact he is guilty of perjury. He refuses to sign off on the release of his service record and in fact he didn't even get an actual discharge until CARTER gave him one. His "Winter Soldier" testimony is a known and proven LIE, and everyone in the military knows it. That is the reason he will NEVER sign off to release his records. Along with the fact he was NEVER in Cambodia as he claimed, and he put himself in for every "decoration" he was awarded.
And, just so you know, meeting with North Vietnamese officials in Paris while wearing his uniform but not being authorized to do so IS TREASON. He did it, and he brags about it.
Do you need a copy of his testimony to point those lies out?
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Originally posted by SkyRock
What service? You gonna defend a spoiled brat getting out of serving in vietnam and avoiding courtmarshal for being AWOL? Or are you saying he wasn't AWOL? Maybe you're defending the fact that the records were manipulated?
I have never been a fan of Kerry, but he did serve in vietnam, and however it actually went down, noone ever disputed that he did in fact come under enemy fire. Lil bush was too much of a coward to risk a stray bullet.
Yes, his own men disputed several instances where Kerry claimed he was under enemy fire. The MAJORITY who came forward disputed his accounts. At least a couple of his claims, where HE put HIMSELF in for decorations, have been strongly disputed by men who were there. The MAJORITY of men who were there.
Bush, by the way, flew century series fighters, most REAL pilots will tell you that was the most dangerous series of fighters in the U.S. inventory since World War I. His unit WAS eligible to go to Vietnam, but was never selected to go.
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Bottom line, Kerry's ability to further damage this country has been forever limited. Let's do the same with the Clintons. :aok
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skyrock.. that is what I have heard. He never was in the places he claimed to be... the swiftboat guys nailed him in lies about his service so why would anything else he said be true?
While I abhor people who attack our soldiers and people who claim to have served and have not... right down there next on the list of despicable types are those who lie about what they did in the service.. worse if they lie to make the rest of the men look bad.
He never seen any atrocities. He just was never there to see em.
lazs
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
ALL of the statements he made are FALSE, because he was NEVER THERE When it happened. Because there's not a shred of factual evidence to support his testimony.
He stated that his statements in the 'Winter Soldiers" part of the testimony were results of an investigation and taken from testimony of soldiers that were there. So are you saying that soldiers did not admit to those types of atrocities? Maybe you are saying those types of autrocities did not occur?
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Do you need a copy of his testimony to point those lies out?
No. His testimony about being a participant in activity in "free fire zones" where civilians were supposedly massacred were shown to be false. He wasn't there. His testimony about the use of torture was false because he never held any prisoners to torture, and he was never put in charge of any prisoners. At least not on any records that anyone has been able to find.
Get yourself a copy and prove some of it true. I dare you. Go ahead and show us all ANY of his testimony that is supported by anything CLOSE to a majority of the men whose records (the ones Kerry won't release) prove beyond doubt that they were there and were part of the action.
Kerry himself ADMITTED that what he testified to were unverified RUMORS that he heard. Look it up.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Yes, his own men disputed several instances where Kerry claimed he was under enemy fire. The MAJORITY who came forward disputed his accounts. At least a couple of his claims, where HE put HIMSELF in for decorations, have been strongly disputed by men who were there. The MAJORITY of men who were there.
Don't lie, I asked you if you deny that enemy shot at him. Every man that served with him has stated that they did in fact come under enemy fire. They remember how it went down differently, but all admit it did happen.
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Bush, by the way, flew century series fighters, most REAL pilots will tell you that was the most dangerous series of fighters in the U.S. inventory since World War I. His unit WAS eligible to go to Vietnam, but was never selected to go.
Bush was AWOL. He was not where he was supposed ot be. He was and still is a coward out for nothing more than to further the riches of his families name!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
He stated that his statements in the 'Winter Soldiers" part of the testimony were results of an investigation and taken from testimony of soldiers that were there. So are you saying that soldiers did not admit to those types of atrocities? Maybe you are saying those types of autrocities did not occur?
I'm saying he was NEVER a witness to or a participant in ANY of what he testified to. He admitted that. And SEVERAL of those "winter soldiers" were proven to have NEVER seen military service, never mind been in Vietnam. It's just the same as the crap that has been published recently, on a regular basis, by several media outlets. People who never made it through basic have claimed to have first hand knowledge of "atrocities" committed in Iraq, when they WASHED OUT OF BASIC and never went anywhere, except home, to whine.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Kerry himself ADMITTED that what he testified to were unverified RUMORS that he heard. Look it up.
Then why in the hell would you say they were lies because he wasn't there. I've viewed his testimony, and the part you were talking about was clearly labled stories told to him by soldiers.
Regaurdless, do you deny that those types of autrocities happened?????????
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Try to wake up before all your brain cells waste away.
Now there is the funniest single post I have ever seen on this board. Head in the sand MT, do just a little homework on Hillary if you are not afraid of what you will find.
Anyone who would vote for her after everything that has been clearly and objectively documented about her is truely stupid or dense.
Or, it could just be you don't want to know, and won't risk learning.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
"atrocities" committed in Iraq,
Are you saying there have been none committed in IRAQ????????????
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Don't lie, I asked you if you deny that enemy shot at him. Every man that served with him has stated that they did in fact come under enemy fire. The remember how it went down differently, but all admit it did happen.
Bush was AWOL. He was not where he was supposed ot be. He was and still is a coward out for nothing more than to further the riches of his families name!
No, every man that served with him has NOT testified he was under enemy fire. In fact, several have stated that he was not under enemy fire and was not hit by enemy fire for AT LEAST two of the three Purple Heart awards he put himself in for, knowing that he could apply to go home early if he got three. The doctor LAUGHED when he asked to have a sliver removed that was barely stuck in his skin, and then asked to have it recorded so he could put in for a Purple Heart.
Just go on swallowing the drivel you've been spoon fed. You aren't worth another minute of time better spent on just about any worthwhile effort. You don't even look things up for yourself.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Are you saying there have been none committed in IRAQ????????????
Look, READ CAREFULLY. People who have NEVER BEEN TO IRAQ are testifying to atrocities that NEVER HAPPENED, just like the "winter soldier" bull you keep quoting. Can you not read and comprehend? No one has said no atrocities were committed in Vietnam OR Iraq. What has been said repeatedly, is that much of the "winter soldier" testimony was given by people who were never in Vietnam, and much of the media trumpeted accounts of atrocities in Iraq have been proven to be lies from people who have never been. Try reading what is written, rather than what you think it says.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No, every man that served with him has NOT testified he was under enemy fire. In fact, several have stated that he was not under enemy fire
Are you saying he was not under enemy fire at anytime he was over there? I believe the majority of swiftboat vets that disputed his medals admitted that he was in fact fired upon, they just disputed whether he got hit or whether he deserved the medals.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Look, READ CAREFULLY. People who have NEVER BEEN TO IRAQ are testifying to atrocities that NEVER HAPPENED, just like the "winter soldier" bull you keep quoting. Can you not read and comprehend? No one has said no atrocities were committed in Vietnam OR Iraq. What has been said repeatedly, is that much of the "winter soldier" testimony was given by people who were never in Vietnam, and much of the media trumpeted accounts of atrocities in Iraq have been proven to be lies from people who have never been. Try reading what is written, rather than what you think it says.
READ CAREFULLY! DO YOU BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN NO AUTROCITIES COMMITTED IN IRAQ BY US SOLDIERS?
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Do you agree with this type of behavior? Do you think the IRAQi people that witnessed this thinks we are there to help them?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
No one has said no atrocities were committed in Vietnam OR Iraq.
I read carefully.. :D
I know there were some atrocities committed and documented in vietnam. And as of now, the only one that i know of committed in Iraq thus far, has been the case where some soldiers raped an Iraqi woman, and they are going to prison for a VERY long time.
But to keep bringing it up does our military a VERY big injustice. It happened, it's over with, it's done.
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Originally posted by Speed55
I read carefully.. :D
I know there were some atrocities committed and documented in vietnam. And as of now, the only one that i know of committed in Iraq thus far, has been the case where some soldiers raped an Iraqi woman, and they are going to prison for a VERY long time.
But to keep bringing it up does our military a VERY big injustice. It happened, it's over with, it's done.
Does killing passerby civillians and bragging about it count as an autrocity?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xnyjH5wusqs
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skyrock.. considering the circumstances... I think that even you will admit that our soldiers are acting in the most civilized manner that soldiers ever have.
as for Iraqis witnessing brutality... you are kidding right? you think they can't compare what they were used to from the sad man to what is going on now? to the brutality of their war with iran? are you just dense? Do you think they are stupid children?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock.. considering the circumstances... I think that even you will admit that our soldiers are acting in the most civilized manner that soldiers ever have.
lazs
Wrong is wrong, there is no compromise. I can't stand to see our soldiers acting in that manner, it is not how I teach my children to be, and I do not believe it is what "we" as a country stand for.
I find it disgusting that tards just do what they want to do over there and noone says anything about it.
Granted, this is not how all the soldiers act, but it is still unnacceptable in my book. Teasing kids with water and this one as well:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GnXuo-jotE
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Wrong is wrong, there is no compromise. I can't stand to see our soldiers acting in that manner, it is not how I teach my children to be, and I do not believe it is what "we" as a country stand for.
I find it disgusting that tards just do what they want to do over there and noone says anything about it.
Granted, this is not how all the soldiers act, but it is still unnacceptable in my book. Teasing kids with water and this one as well:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GnXuo-jotE
You might want to read the link I posted about John Kerry. One of his commanders commented that John Kerry didn't want to follow the rules of engagement but rather fire at anything for his own purposes.
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Youtube....there's a reliable source.
True, the military has always had its fair share of dinks, idiots, ne-er-do-wells, psychopaths, and bigots. Yet, to try to portray such individuals as being typical of the average American soldier is despicable.
The men and women who have volunteered to lay their lives on the line for their country are the finest examples of humanity that our country has to offer, regardless of their race, color, creed, or political orientation. I say without fear of contradiction, that their conduct toward the citizens of an occupied country is at least as good as, if not better than, that of any other nation in the world.
Any unseemly conduct is an aberration....period.
As to Kerry, I have no doubt that he served his country about as well as any average GI did in Vietnam. Whether he deserved the accolades heaped upon him by his backers, or by himself, is a matter of public debate and conjecture....which will never be completely settled until his records are finally released.
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Wow,
What a nice rehash of event that were discussed thoroughly in the 2004 election.
It doesn't change what is happening now in this election or that Hillary herself committed election fraud.
It was proven time and again 4 years ago that Kerry's testimony in the winter soldier investigation was a gross accumulation of fabrications. To further his lie in his testimony he stated several things that he said he had witnessed that never happened. Of cours that's done with and over and Kerry/Bush is old news.
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skyrock.. certainly.. I agree that those responsible for the rare as hens teeth atrocities be brought to justice but... do that and stop dwelling on it.
It is obvious that an agenda is what is driving most of it.. most of these soldiers have been convicted by you and the media before they have even been tried.. recent verdicts have exonerated soldiers that democrats have demonized.
I find that every bit as disgusting as the atrocity itself. Why don't you just admit that such things are rare and that they are happening less with this army than with any other in the same situation?
Your agenda is showing again. We get it.. you don't like the war... We get it.. you don't have a clue what to do and.. we get it.. you like to snipe from the sidelines at those who are doing the work.
All this is fine but... you really need to tell us how "cut and run" is gonna work out well for us or anyone else.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dago
Now there is the funniest single post I have ever seen on this board. Head in the sand MT, do just a little homework on Hillary if you are not afraid of what you will find.
Anyone who would vote for her after everything that has been clearly and objectively documented about her is truely stupid or dense.
Or, it could just be you don't want to know, and won't risk learning.
I guess it's too late for some people.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I guess it's too late for some people.
Yes it is.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Shuckins
True, the military has always had its fair share of dinks, idiots, ne-er-do-wells, psychopaths, and bigots. Yet, to try to portray such individuals as being typical of the average American soldier is despicable.
Completely wrong assumption, I have not tried to portray the average soldier that way, and have even went out of my way to say, "I do not believe this is the way most of the soldiers act"! Reguardless, there are more than a handful who are taking advantage of a war zone to completely spew hate and abuse onto unarmed, innocent people, and take great joy in it.
By the way, you tube video is just that, do you dispute the validity of the video?
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Originally posted by lazs2
with this army than with any other in the same situation?
What situation is that? An unwinnable one??? Who do we hold accountable?
Originally posted by lazs2
All this is fine but... you really need to tell us how "cut and run" is gonna work out well for us or anyone else. lazs
Cut and run????? LMAO! I guess you believe we should still be in southeast asia! Maybe Somalia!
I think we should start withdrawing in '08 and re-build as much as you can on our way out. Secure our borders and start deporting illegals immediately. :aok
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I guess it's too late for some people.
Yes, but optimist we are, we still hold out hope you may see the light of day again in the future, and not be blinded by the sand covering your eyes down in that hole.
The sad thing is your hatred of Bush and all things conservative so overwhemingly exceed any small amount of affection you might have for this country that you actually hope for our country to lose in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Dago
that you actually hope for our country to lose in Iraq.
The great falacy of these types of wars is there is no definable "Win"! WWI allies won when Germany surrendered, WWII we won when Germany and Japan surrendered, Korea there was no surrender, Vietnam there was no surrender. The question of what would we consider a win has not even been answered by the leaders of our country, so how do we know when we have won? Mission accomplished???????????
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Wrong is wrong, there is no compromise. I can't stand to see our soldiers acting in that manner, it is not how I teach my children to be, and I do not believe it is what "we" as a country stand for.
I find it disgusting that tards just do what they want to do over there and noone says anything about it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GnXuo-jotE
I'd suggest you find your way down to the recruiters office and join up. I imagine in about four months, you could be over there "showing" our troops how it should be done.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
The great falacy of these types of wars is there is no definable "Win"! WWI allies won when Germany surrendered, WWII we won when Germany and Japan surrendered, Korea there was no surrender, Vietnam there was no surrender. The question of what would we consider a win has not even been answered by the leaders of our country, so how do we know when we have won? Mission accomplished???????????
Groan, you're not going to the ridiculous "Mission Accomplished" are you? Enough tards have posted that crediting Bush only to be made to look ridiculous for it.
To anyone who has put even a small modicum of thought into the Iraq situation, the Iraq "win" parameters are evident. We can declare "mission accomplished" and a win when Iraq with it's current democratically elected government can provide for their own security, and the security of the Iraqi people.
Despite the hopes and prayers of the pathetic left, guys like MT, objective reports from Iraq describe a nation where the situation is improving greatly. Iraqi tribes have reversed their mindset and are now working closely with the US military, violence has dropped greatly, in many areas violent attacks on people and US forces is 10% or less that what it was 12 months ago. This is just a small sample of the improvements that have occurred, and is continuing.
MT no doubt shares the fear of the pathetic left that Iraq will be a "win", that the goals of liberty and security are secured, and they will no longer be able to try to use the "failures" of Iraq as some more sad anti-Bush rhetoric.
There is certainly a ways to go, but the trend is very encouraging.
Can't wait until MT blames Bush for the California wildfires, and the 17 year circadias. :rolleyes:
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He wouldn't make it thru basic training.
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I'm going to vote for Ron Paul. Really, I am. The only thing that we differ on is he's pro-life and I'm pro-choice.
My 2 cents.
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Originally posted by Dago
Groan, you're not going to the ridiculous "Mission Accomplished" are you? Enough tards have posted that crediting Bush only to be made to look ridiculous for it.
To anyone who has put even a small modicum of thought into the Iraq situation, the Iraq "win" parameters are evident. We can declare "mission accomplished" and a win when Iraq with it's current democratically elected government can provide for their own security, and the security of the Iraqi people.
The US govt can't even accomplish that on American soil, take a guess how many "foreign nationals" murder & victimize US citizens every year because of our govts complete failure to provide adequate security?
So the country that can't secure it self, is going to judge when another country is secure? thats nice and ambiguous. Add that the sunni & shia have zero motivation to stop foreign fighters at the border who want to fight with them.
"Win" and "lose" are only opinions, since when did it become reasonable, or moral, to allow a quagmire of death & disease based on lies to continue unabated just so a few loser politicians can, in their liar opinions, save face?