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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tigeress on October 27, 2007, 09:18:41 AM
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Something Strange... The X Planes
Which is your favorite, and least favorite? and why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2IU1NpQsqU
TIGERESS
PS: Mine is the SR-71 Blackbird. I have touched one; it touched me back.
It's skin is like the touch of glass sanded to an ultra-smooth matt finish.
It is on permanent ground-level open display at a San Antonio, Texas, Air Force base... or was.
It is sooo big... to stand next to it is unbelievable.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Something Strange... The X Planes
Which is your favorite, and least favorite? and why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2IU1NpQsqU
TIGERESS
PS: Mine is the SR-71 Blackbird. I have touched one; it touched me back.
It's skin is like the touch of glass sanded to an ultra-smooth matt finish.
It is on permanent ground-level open display at a San Antonio, Texas, Air Force base... or was.
It is sooo big... to stand next to it is unbelievable.
They (Habu) flew out of Kadena when I was there. You should see/feel one takeoff while standing ~50 yards from the runway, unforgettable.
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YF-23. I always felt it should have won, not the F22.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
YF-23. I always felt it should have won, not the F22.
It is quite sexy looking... that's for sure.
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(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/yf-23-desert.jpg)
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Originally posted by Tigeress
It is quite sexy looking... that's for sure.
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(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/images/yf-23-desert.jpg)
It should have won the competition for that reason alone. Now all the fighter pilots will have a lack of confidence as they pilot wimpy looking aircraft.
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Originally posted by AKIron
They (Habu) flew out of Kadena when I was there. You should see/feel one takeoff while standing ~50 yards from the runway, unforgettable.
I can only imagine... probably shook the ground you were standing on.
The one I touched:
(http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/sr71/lackland.jpg)
"Lackland AFB is home to the Air Force History & Traditions Museum. It is also the first base that most USAF recruits are stationed at to under go basic training. There are retired Air Force aircraft stationed all over the base, at the museum, and all around a vast parade grounds area. The SR-71 is located on the parade grounds."
Above and below photos and quote credited to:
http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/sr71/lackland.html
My Dad showed me all the warbirds on display at Lackland.
For example:
The F-82E Twin Mustang
(http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/p82/f82lackland.jpg)
Another display at Lackland AFB, A beautiful P-38
(http://www.liesenonline.com/images/April2001Pics/im000345.jpg)
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Tigress,
I'm an instructor at lackland and I see those planes all the time. Not only are they at the parade grounds but also on the way out the valey high gate there are some great static displays to include a B52 and a bunch of others.
On the parade grounds they have a great B17 and P47 as well as the black bird just to name a few.
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I hate when they paint the glass on the cockpits.
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For Cali-folks, there's Blackbird Park in Palmdale, on the west side (I think) of the Lockheed plant. Public access, and you can touch an A-12, SR-71, and even see the high mach recon drones that were designed to be launched from 'em.
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I do too. And I prefer to see the planes on the ground, not up on a pedestal.
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The P38 on a stick looks like one of Dan/Corkyjr's normal landings .
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I do too. And I prefer to see the planes on the ground, not up on a pedestal.
I totally agree with this also. I want to touch them... to look down their lines at eye-level.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Tigress,
I'm an instructor at lackland and I see those planes all the time. Not only are they at the parade grounds but also on the way out the valey high gate there are some great static displays to include a B52 and a bunch of others.
On the parade grounds they have a great B17 and P47 as well as the black bird just to name a few.
Hiya Gunslinger!
What do you teach?
Goodness... Valley High Gate... brings back memories. Mom and Dad retired to SAT. They had retiree AF IDs. Visited often.
Lots of good memories of SAT. Actually... Step-Dad, but I call him Dad too.
My blood Dad passed away long ago. Both Dads retired from the AF.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
For Cali-folks, there's Blackbird Park in Palmdale, on the west side (I think) of the Lockheed plant. Public access, and you can touch an A-12, SR-71, and even see the high mach recon drones that were designed to be launched from 'em.
Also one at the air museum at March ARB.
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Although most aircraft progress through X (experimental) and Y (prototype) prefixes, the term X by itself refers to Experimental by itself -- purely test aircraft never intended to go into mass production, e.g., X-1, X-4, X-15.
Of the pure X's, the X-15 is probably the most impressive. Some X's are largely unknown, but some were stars of their day, however briefly, such as the X-1 being first to break the sound barrier in level flight.
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Originally posted by xbrit
The P38 on a stick looks like one of Dan/Corkyjr's normal landings .
Nope, couldn't be Corky's - too many parts on it :D
asw
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Originally posted by Chairboy
For Cali-folks, there's Blackbird Park in Palmdale, on the west side (I think) of the Lockheed plant. Public access, and you can touch an A-12, SR-71, and even see the high mach recon drones that were designed to be launched from 'em.
Hey Chairboy,
Under the righ...starboard wing of the HK1* in McMinnville is a Blackbird and a D-21 drone.
But Halo is the only poster so far to name an x plane. The X-15 flew into space and achieved mach 6.7. The Shuttle is the only manned flying thing that is faster.
(http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/clip1.gif)
*Spruce Goose
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At Dryden, they have an X-24A lifting-body. It's on a pedestal, next to the X-15 and an SR-71.
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The X-20 Dyna-Soar would have been fantastic. Manned, re-usable spaceplane launched atop a Titan IIIC. Suh-weet.
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When I was in the Second Grade, I had an assignment to make a report about what I saw on the News that night. My Father "guided" my efforts by helping me make a report about Scott Crossfield's first flight in the X-15.
Remembering back that far also brings to mind the night my Father took us outside at night to view the "Sputnik" sattelite as it orbited Earth.
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Originally posted by Patches1
When I was in the Second Grade, I had an assignment to make a report about what I saw on the News that night. My Father "guided" my efforts by helping me make a report about Scott Crossfield's first flight in the X-15.
Remembering back that far also brings to mind the night my Father took us outside at night to view the "Sputnik" sattelite as it orbited Earth.
That was a long time ago... Did you see it?
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This is one of my least favorites... looks like a flying pooper scooper to me...
...and it's not even blue.
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(http://www.ausairpower.net/000-Tacit-Blue.jpg)
Tacit Blue
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I liked both the X-29 and X-31... here is a place to waste some time: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/index.html
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X-31 ftw! In high alpha, controlled, level flight
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/x-31-EC94-42478-15.jpg)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Hey Chairboy,
Under the righ...starboard wing of the HK1* in McMinnville is a Blackbird and a D-21 drone.
But Halo is the only poster so far to name an x plane. The X-15 flew into space and achieved mach 6.7. The Shuttle is the only manned flying thing that is faster.
http://www.sierrafoot.org/x-15/clip1.gif
*Spruce Goose
Didn't SpaceShipOne beat the X-15 records for Altitude and Speed?
At least for altitude? ...not sure about speed.
I think it ironic they burned recycled tire rubber to do it.
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040930/040930_spaceshipone_vmed.widec.jpg)
(http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040727/040727_space_ship_one_hmed.h2.jpg)
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I just did some looking... SpaceShipOne got the Altitude record from the X-15.
The X-43A holds the speed record for Jet Powered Aircraft.
(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/69036main_x-43_banner.jpg)
It's Official. X-43A Raises the Bar to Mach 9.6
Guinness World Records recognized NASA's X-43A scramjet with a new world speed record for a jet-powered aircraft - Mach 9.6, or nearly 7,000 mph. The X-43A set the new mark and broke its own world record on its third and final flight on Nov. 16, 2004.
In March 2004, the X-43A set the previous record of Mach 6.8 (nearly 5,000 mph). The fastest air-breathing, manned vehicle, the U.S. Air Force SR-71, achieved slightly more than Mach 3.2. The X-43A more than doubled, then tripled, the top speed of the jet-powered SR-71.
Above credited to: http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/x43-main.html
SpaceShipOne Wins X Prize By Reaching Space a Second Time
By John Schwartz
The New York Times -- MOJAVE, Calif.
A private rocket ship shot into space on Monday morning and won a coveted $10 million aviation prize for its creators.
SpaceShipOne, the sleek combination of rocket and glider designed by Burt Rutan and financed by the billionaire Paul G. Allen, reached a record altitude of 368,000 feet, or 69.7 miles, blasting past the 337,600-foot altitude record for private craft set by the same ship last week.
That feat earned Mojave Aerospace Ventures, the company formed by Rutan and Allen, the Ansari X Prize, a space competition modeled on the great contests of the early days of aviation. Members of the rocket team and organizers of prize jubilantly predicted that the flight, made on the 47th anniversary of the first Sputnik launching, marked the dawn of a new age of commercial human space flight.
“Ladies and gentleman, today we make history,” said Peter Diamandis, the organizer of the X Prize. He called Rutan “a furry mammal among the dinosaurs of the aerospace industry.”
As members of the thousands of spectators who had gathered to watch the desert landing chanted, “Burt, Burt,” Rutan took a jab at NASA -- “the other space agency” -- and said he was determined to develop a commercial spacecraft that was “at least 100 as safe than anything that has every flown man to space and probably a whole lot more.” The private race for space has captured the popular imagination, with its promise of wresting the dream of human space flight away from what private space boosters call a bloated and sluggish government monopoly. Even Google, the ubiquitous search engine, adorned its logo with a cartoon showing SpaceShipOne sailing above the Earth with a flying saucer swooping in for a closer look.
SpaceShipOne’s journey into space began shortly before 7 a.m. Monday morning, when it was carried to an altitude of nearly 50,000 feet by its mother plane, the White Knight, and released at 7:49 a.m. The spacecraft’s pilot, Brian Binnie, lit the experimental rocket motor, which burns a combination of rubber and nitrous oxide -- also known as laughing gas -- and ran the motor for its full planned duration of nearly 90 seconds. After its swift ride into the sky, SpaceShipOne returned to earth and touched down at 8:13 a.m. Pacific time.
The flight also far surpassed the previous flight altitude record for an air-launched craft, 354,000 feet reached by the X-15 in 1963.
Binnie, a 51-year-old former Navy pilot, stepped out, carrying an American flag he had taken in the ship. Before unfurling it, he said, “I thank God that I live in a country where this is possible.”
In two previous flights, SpaceShipOne had shown a tendency to roll at high altitudes.
Above credited to: http://www-tech.mit.edu/V124/N42/rocket_long3_42.42w.html
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
On the parade grounds they have a great B17 and P47 as well as the black bird just to name a few.
I recall stories about that B17 on the parade field (at least thats what it used to be). used to be it was possible to break into the B17 and the stories were that LEs would catch people using it as a place for romantic rendezvous
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I recall stories about that B17 on the parade field (at least thats what it used to be). used to be it was possible to break into the B17 and the stories were that LEs would catch people using it as a place for romantic rendezvous
I heard that same rumor about Lackland's B-17 from my Dad.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I just did some looking... SpaceShipOne got the Altitude record from the X-15.
The X-43A holds the speed record for Jet Powered Aircraft.
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But (other than the Shuttle) the X-15 is still the fastest man carrying winged craft. The X-43A was a robot. Not bad for (nearly) a senior citizen.
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My Dad worked for Motorola and did some work on the radio and it's housing on the X-15.
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Originally posted by xbrit
The P38 on a stick looks like one of Dan/Corkyjr's normal landings .
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
But (other than the Shuttle) the X-15 is still the fastest man carrying winged craft. The X-43A was a robot. Not bad for (nearly) a senior citizen.
I'm impressed!
(nearly) Senior Citizens of the male variety are sexy!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My Dad worked for Motorola and did some work on the radio and it's housing on the X-15.
That's cool!
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You should visit the Pima Air and Space Museum in Tucson AZ. where there are many aircraft on display. They are also on the ground and can be touched in many cases.
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Very much a fun trip, Pima is a gotta see... I happened to pass by last year on my way to Carson City... I only had a couple of hours though... that place is an all day trip....
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Very much a fun trip, Pima is a gotta see... I happened to pass by last year on my way to Carson City...
When I was in college, I was hitching down to Tuscon, and when I was just a couple hundred miles, maybe only a ride or two away, I was standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona and such a fine sight to see... a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford slowin' down to take a look at me...
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Tigress,
I'm an instructor at lackland...
I'll see you in February!
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the x43a was unmaned.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
When I was in college, I was hitching down to Tuscon, and when I was just a couple hundred miles, maybe only a ride or two away, I was standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona and such a fine sight to see... a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford slowin' down to take a look at me...
and then you woke up from your nap....
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Originally posted by Tigeress
PS: Mine is the SR-71 Blackbird. I have touched one; it touched me back.
It's skin is like the touch of glass sanded to an ultra-smooth matt finish.
It is on permanent ground-level open display at a San Antonio, Texas, Air Force base... or was.
It is sooo big... to stand next to it is unbelievable.
You're still talking about the sr-71, right?
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(http://users.dbscorp.net/jmustain/x-3.jpg)
Loved the way it looked. Turned out to be a flop.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
YF-23. I always felt it should have won, not the F22.
YF-23 was also about 3 times as expensive as the F-22.
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Originally posted by Neubob
You're still talking about the sr-71, right?
Yes...
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Originally posted by Arlo
(http://users.dbscorp.net/jmustain/x-3.jpg)
Loved the way it looked. Turned out to be a flop.
It's a very beautiful looking design. Which one is it?
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Originally posted by Maverick
You should visit the Pima Air and Space Museum in Tucson AZ. where there are many aircraft on display. They are also on the ground and can be touched in many cases.
I try to visit Air Museums where ever I go.
If I have the opportunity I will follow your advice and seek out the Pima Air and Space Museum!
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Yes...
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No good?
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Originally posted by Tigeress
It's a very beautiful looking design. Which one is it?
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the X-3 Stiletto. first flown Oct 1952, underpowered
Arlo, it wasnt entirely a flop...or a dog...
[qoute]For the X-3, the roll coupling flight was the high point of its history. The aircraft was grounded for nearly a year after the flight, and never again explored its roll stability and control boundaries. Walker made another 10 flights between September 20, 1955, and the last on May 23, 1956. The aircraft was subsequently retired to the US Air Force Museum. Although the X-3 never met its intention of providing aerodynamic data in Mach 2 cruise, its short service was of value. It showed the dangers of roll inertia coupling, and provided early flight test data on the phenomena. Its wing planform was used in the F-104, and it was one of the first aircraft to use titanium. Finally, the X-3's very high take off and landing speeds required improvements in tire technology. [/quote]
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Originally posted by Neubob
No good?
Very good. hahaha
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Originally posted by VWE
I liked both the X-29 and X-31... here is a place to waste some time: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/index.html
VWE Thank you for that link! I will spend time there browsing! :aok
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Anyone have any details on the X-47 Pegasus?
Think anyone will call it TINMAN? lol
I would love to see footage of it dogfighting but its probably an attack plane.
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X-47 Pegasus UCAV
(http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/x47/images/X-47Pegasus_4.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/xplanes2000/X-47_Pegasus.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/xplanes2000/ucav_n.jpg)
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100 years of progress, innovation, study... and we're back to kite shaped aircraft.
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That pulse propulsion plane that left a trail across the US and a good part of the Atlantic...
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APV-3
Darkstar
T-38
X28-a and a-1
all for very personal reasons (Muhahahahahahaha)
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This may be the last of the x-planes
(http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/hf_x33funding_01.jpg)
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/x33_cancel_010301.html
but I'll always think of this as the best
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/X-15_in_flight.jpg/250px-X-15_in_flight.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_X-15
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Originally posted by AKIron
This may be the last of the x-planes
(http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/hf_x33funding_01.jpg)
I noticed on that report on the X-33/X-34 project shutdown that it was dated March 1, 2001.
I agree with you that the X-15 is Very Cool! :aok
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