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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Oogly50 on October 27, 2007, 07:24:31 PM
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I wanted to see this the other day at a sleep over with 3 of my friends, but they didn't want to so we watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail instead...
However, I really wanted to see it... Does anybody here have anything they'd like to share or warn me about? Or maybe just tell me how you liked it?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aHhll-gnmjw
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It's a good movie oogly.. I'm trying to remember you're like 12 right? Your parents might be a little hesitant to let you watch it but, if you're as mature as you comport yourself here and I have no reason to doubt that you are, then I think it's one of the most accurate depictions of the landings that can be done without actually being there.
Have you seen Band of Brothers?
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Its a good movie but you have to know it is very graphic in its combat scenes. Some of them really make you feel the mood. The D-day beach landing scene is perhaps the best that has been filmed of that day.
Also recomend The Thin Red Line. Less graphic in its violence but no less dramatic.
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The one greatest war film ever made. I remember reading quotes from WWII vets that were amazed at the sound recreation in many of the scenes. They said they literally started trembling as if they were back in that moment! Graphic scenes though, if you parents give you the OK, then I'd recomend it!
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
It's a good movie oogly.. I'm trying to remember you're like 12 right? Your parents might be a little hesitant to let you watch it but, if you're as mature as you comport yourself here and I have no reason to doubt that you are, then I think it's one of the most accurate depictions of the landings that can be done without actually being there.
Have you seen Band of Brothers?
Yar, I be 12...
My parents, hmm... They may be hesitant a LITTLE... :noid
I've been watching some video's on youtube... Makes me hate nazi's... :(
The D-Day scene... WOW, just WOW. That beginning part of it, really set the mood.
Also, Tac. I'll youtube The thin red line. Same with band-o- brothers
Thanks guys
:aok
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Don't hate the soldiers that followed orders. Disagree with the idealogy and the sick mentality that sent them into harms way as well.
Talk to your folks about sitting down and watching the movies. Again, in most cases, I'd say that they are a little hard core for the average 12 year old but you, in my opinion, are a lot more mature than the average 20 year old and a lot of the 20+ people I know.
Good luck
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To these guy's point, it is a very dramatic, mostly accurate portrail of the violence of war. The opening invasion scene made me sick to my stomach.
(In a world where movies like SAW do well, though, I don't know that the violence is something that will affect the younger set. It might seem tame by comparison . . . but I digress.)
When I saw Saving Private Ryan in the theater, I couldn't get myself to leave when the credits were rolling. When the lights finally came up, there were three older gentlemen and their wives still in the theater with me. I assume they were WW2 vets. All of them were crying. I think that is as good an indication as any to the realism of the film, and the heart-rending sentiment at the end.
I did rent it at one point, and on the small screen it loses a lot of it's impact, but still well worth the time.
This, on the other hand . . .
Originally posted by Tac
Also recomend The Thin Red Line. Less graphic in its violence but no less dramatic.
I have to disagree. To me, the Thin Red Line seemed too much like a whiney "Apocolypse Now" type Vietnam flick set (or rather mis-set) in WWII. I actually found it quite disappointing. But who knows, maybe I couldn't get past the fact that Sean Penn was in it . . .
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Oogly
Great movie....If your parents don't mind it its definatley worth the viewing.
I have it on DVD and have watched it numerous times.
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I thought the Thin Red Line was a disjointed mess.
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Saving Private Ryan was a horrible movie. Just pass on it, you'll be better off.
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SPR captures the intensity of what was like to be a combat soldier during WWII
the two most intence scenes in the movie are at opposite ends of it.
the landings. And the hand to hand fight (which really creeped me out)
One of my favorite true stories about the movie was a WWII Vet and his wife went to see it.
His wife on telling the story said
"On the way home there was complete eirie silence between us.
I just didnt know what to say and looking at him I could tell his mind was back there. I reached out and touched his hand and said "I had no idea"
He responded with "Welcome to my world.""
Another one is from Normandy vet who said about the movie " It was exactly like that. Only worse"
Me personally. Ill take the opinion on the movie from a couple of WWIIs vet over lasersailors opinion of it any day.
The scene in the beginning of the movie of the old man going into flashback was done to perfection.
Ive personally seen my father in law go into that trance.
Scared the hell out of me. Particularly because I couldnt snap him out of it for about 15 minutes
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Saving Private Ryan was a horrible movie. Just pass on it, you'll be better off.
bad advice
This Red Line is the one to pass on. Band of Brothers is the best thing ever made in my opinion.
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Saving Private Ryan is a great movie. I first saw when I was ten and I turned out find. *looks nervously over shoulder at noise from outside* But, my dads a WWII buff so he didn't care too much. But Monty Python and the Holy Grail is a great movie too. "HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!" But Empire of the Sun is also a great movie and less graphic. But, they show on TNT all the time on Saturday nights, so you could start by watching that.
EDIT: THIN RED LINE IS AWFUL!!!
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Originally posted by Slash27
snip.... Band of Brothers is the best thing ever made in my opinion.
Quite possibly right. It was an amazing show.
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Band of Brothers was a great mini series. I try to watch any shows with guys from it in it. (something doesn't sound right there) Lt./Capt./Mjr. Winters has a new show on NBC. Life. I think it is pretty good and had "Bull" Rannelman in one episode.
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very moving movie and you will never forget it :)
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Originally posted by Oogly50
I've been watching some video's on youtube... Makes me hate nazi's...
Oskar Schindler was a nazi party member. But it turned out he was a good guy.
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After the Omaha landings, SPR is your ubiquitous traditional get A to B storyline...but it is well made and acted, despite the cliches.
The Thin Red Line is an excellent film worth seeing, but is a lot harder to maintain interest because of the slow pacing, but is well worth a look.
Band of Brothers is probably the better of all 3, mostly because it has the length to develop characters, and the true storyline...again well acted and made but not useful for a sunday afternoon waster because of the length for that see SPR.
Tronsky
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For the fans of BOB (http://imdb.com/title/tt0374463/)
Cant wait :aok
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Schindlers List is another good movie, although it made me cry. (no kidding).
You will want to watch that one with your parents though.
cheers, Oogly.
RTR
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Dont diss Thin Red Line because its more mood and talk than shooting. :P
Personally SPR is a GOOD movie but its too hollywood-ish for my taste. Aka theres no real character development, just shallow characters the audience barely gets to know and a helluva lot of violence and special effects.
Thin Red Line is more the story of 1 guy in a world gone insane and its narrated through the main character's point of view and beliefs. SPR oth, is more of a camera crew following a group of guys around.
I've yet to see Flags of our Fathers but ive heard its darn good too.
If you're into anime you may also want to look up 'Grave of the Fireflies' . Warning on this one though... its very gut-wrenching. Its the story of a pair of Japenese kids (siblings) and what they had to go through during the war. I had to stop the movie and resume watching it a week later, it was very hard to watch.
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At 12, he oughta stick to Hannah Montana and the other tween-dramas on Disney for now. :)
But, ask Mom n Dad to watch it with you. Might be good to learn about the sacrifices that were made to win WW2. That's why its usually playing on Veterna's Day.
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At 12, he's probably played video games that make Band of Brothers seem pretty tame.
I'd say watch it - I still remember the first time I saw the beach landings.
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The problem with Thin Red Line is that the book it's based on is identical to every OTHER novel written by the same author. Same story, same characters, only different settings (and this isn't an exaggeration). And IMO, the film didn't handle the psychology of the characters that well at all.
My own SPR story:
My uncle used to work in the emergency room of a hospital, and one night an elderly man was rushed in who had gone into full cardiac arrest. Fortunately, they were able to save him. As it turns out the man had been at a screening of SPR that night, and his heart seized up during the Omaha landing.
While it's not known if the man had been at Normandy, my uncle learned that he HAD fought in the war.
I try to watch SPR when I can catch it on TV, or the mood strikes me to put in the DVD. I don't watch it much, though, as it's an INCREDIBLY emotionally draining film (IMO second only to Return of the King, albeit each for very different reasons). There's a few places where Spielburg is a little ham-fisted with the sappiness (there's a very important historical footnote about the letter from Lincoln quoted by one of the officers that if you're familiar with it really spoils it) but it's definitely one of his best.
And I agree that Band of Brothers was even BETTER. I can't wait for The Pacific.
And a fun little trivia question:
Letters From Iwo Jima had two veterans of Spielburg's previous WWII films in the cast. Who were they, and what characters did they play?
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Abraham Lincoln''s letter to Mrs. Bixby, while a real document, was inaccurate when written. Only two of her sons died: Sgt. Charles Bixby at the Battle of Fredericksburg in 1862 and Pvt. Charles Bixby at Petersburg, Virginia, the following year. Two more sons, Pvts. George and Edward Bixby, both deserted, and the remaining son, Cpl. Henry Bixby, was captured and later swapped in a prisoner exchange. In fact, Mrs. Bixby - a Confederate sympathizer who operated a brothel - had lied to the War Department about the number of sons she'd lost. Moreover, according to the Abraham Lincoln Association, the letter itself wasn't even written by Lincoln but by one of his secretaries, John Hay. Brown University houses Hay's scrapbook of newspaper clippings which featured his writings. The Mrs. Bixby letter, publicly credited to Lincoln, is among them. One of the words in the letter, "beguiled", was helpful in showing that it wasn't Lincoln who wrote the letter. A database of Lincoln speeches/writings revealed the only instance in which he uses the word "beguiled" is in the Bixby letter. Hay, however, is documented to have used it at least a dozen different times in his letters, writings and speeches.
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Thin red line you have to watch couple of times. However at 12 i doubt you'll be able to understand the rationale. You're to be full of piss and vinegar for next 10 years or so, so put away watching Thin Red Line till then.
SPR is a good movie, but very graphic. I don't think 12 year old should watch it. Put it away for few years.
Band of Brothers is even better in terms of story line, authenticity and characters and not as graphic. Probably a better choice at this point.
And be sure to watch Letters from Iwojima. This way maybe you'll take away from those movies real tragedy of war.
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In my opinion, James Joyce's, The Thin Red Line, is an opposite of Saving Private Ryan, much in line with the anit-war movement of the mid 1960's.
Read the book...The Thin Red Line...
Then view BOTH of the films of the same title....
Then view ....Saving Private Ryan...
Just as an aside, there is a film I think is little recognised for its "reality", and the film is....Hamburger Hill...and, in my opinion, it rates just as high as... Saving Private Ryan.
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I used to get a bit emotional watching Saving Private Ryan but I have not watched it since my father died.
I never asked him if he wanted to see it and he never asked to see it. I know he was aware of the movie but based on the lack of "stories" he told about the war and that the few he told were anything but combat related I just never brought it up.(there was a funny one about coming across a winery in France and just hanging out for a day:lol )
Pops was drafted in Oct 1942
was overseas for 11 months and served in England, France, Belgium, Holland, and Germany.
He left the Army in July of 1946 at O'reilly General Hospital, Springfield, Mo
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
For the fans of BOB (http://imdb.com/title/tt0374463/)
Cant wait :aok
Me either! I loved the BoB series, I have them all on DVD now.
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A very good movie. Everyone talks about the graphic and realistic combat sceens, but the sceens that really get to me are the opening and ending sceens. Tears me up every time I watch it.
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Not only that, but I believe Mrs. Bixby either burned or ripped up the letter when she received it. ;)
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Originally posted by badhorse
A very good movie. Everyone talks about the graphic and realistic combat sceens, but the sceens that really get to me are the opening and ending sceens. Tears me up every time I watch it.
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You mean these?
Old James Ryan: Tell me I have led a good life.
Ryan's Wife: What?
Old James Ryan: Tell me I'm a good man.
Ryan's Wife: You *are*.
and
Captain Miller: Earn this.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Band of Brothers is the best thing ever made in my opinion.
it is voted the best ever on IMDB, but since it is a mini-series and not a singly movie it doesn't get the #1 status.
Band of Brothers to me was so amazing I don't think it can ever be topped. I didn't see it on HBO as I didn't have HBO then, I borrowed the DVD's from a buddy the week them came out, sat down and watched them all in a row one Saturday.
as for Saving Private Ryan, it is my 2nd or 3rd favorite war movie ever. The opening scene disturbed a lot of people, but it was needed IMHO. it didn't bother me at all.
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Saving Private Ryan gets my thumbs up :aok
If you want to see HUGE beach landings, watch Flags.
And Band of Brothers....Man, - that's THE series.
But I guess the best WW2 theme movie I saw is "Dark Blue World". Simply better every time you watch it again.
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Oogly..."Saving Private Ryan" is FIVE STARS.....awesome....
WHATEVER you do ...do not rent "Shaving Ryans Privates"....it's pron.
68ROX
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Saving Private Ryan was a horrible movie. Just pass on it, you'll be better off.
You are a moron, the more you post, the more you look like a moron. Matter of fact, you look more stupid than a moron!
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you are 12?
SPR is Rated R
I would not watch this movie with my kids at home. sorry
This movie let much older people cry,
imagine the impact this movie have on a 12 year old,
the imagination could lead to who knows where.
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I'd take Band of Brothers over SPR. I'd also recommend When Trumpets Fade: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0135706/
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When Trumpets Fade was pretty good, I also like Empire of the Sun (man that kid loves airplanes), A Bridge Too Far (kind of funny watching Gene Hackman play a Pole), and Letters from Iwo Jima. (suck it up and read the subtitles)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I'd take Band of Brothers over SPR. I'd also recommend When Trumpets Fade: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0135706/
Excellent recommendation. Great movie, really takes the glory out, doesn't it ?
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Tears of the Sun--Bruce Willis movie--VERY good movie, with no typical Hollywood leftist bent:aok ---Did the US military proud imo:aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
Tears of the Sun--Bruce Willis movie--VERY good movie, with no typical Hollywood leftist bent:aok ---Did the US military proud imo:aok
Tears of the sun, are you serious? It was such a painful movie to watch. Very disappointing, considering Bruce Willis could have done so much more with his role.
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The Great Raid
Except for the stupid love interest crap they tossed in, it's a good movie.
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Originally posted by Bronk
The Great Raid
Except for the stupid love interest crap they tossed in, it's a good movie.
What the hell is it with you guys loving movies where the actors forget to act even just a little bit?
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Hey, Great Raid was good. :p
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Tears of the sun, are you serious? It was such a painful movie to watch. Very disappointing, considering Bruce Willis could have done so much more with his role.
Painful?
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It was boring. It became painful by making myself sit through it.
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Hemmoriod problems eh? There are treatments you can get.
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ADD problem.
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I shocked nobody has warned you of the horrific acting job by Vin Diesel in SPR.
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He was playing a big, slow palooka with only a few lines... there wasn't much he could do with the part. Not that he's a great actor or anything.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
ADD problem.
That would explain quite a bit.
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Originally posted by E25280
snip
When I saw Saving Private Ryan in the theater, I couldn't get myself to leave when the credits were rolling. When the lights finally came up, there were three older gentlemen and their wives still in the theater with me. I assume they were WW2 vets. All of them were crying. I think that is as good an indication as any to the realism of the film, and the heart-rending sentiment at the end.
That was me at the end of We Were Soldiers. At the end, when the casualty list rolled, I stood to attention and did the little girl thing. I was duly impressed with the depictions of battle in SPR, but it didn't affect me emotionally to the same degree. I guess its a generational thing.
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Originally posted by rpm
I shocked nobody has warned you of the horrific acting job by Vin Diesel in SPR.
I`m shocked so many here is that impressed with Saving Private Ryan.
I just can`t put Hanks in that role........and neither could Spielberg IMO.
As culero mentioned, We were Soldiers was a great war movie of the Vietnam era. Even Gibson done a good job, but Sam Elliot totaly rocked.
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You know the guy who's platoon gets cut off and they have to be rescued later in the movie?
He cuts my firewood.
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SPR was fantastic but BOB was even better. I would love to see a BOB type mini-series about the Mighty Eighth...
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To be honest OOgly i wish more kids were interested in their History. History has a lot to teach you. What to do, what not to do. Keep being open and curious and stick to your own beliefs as they develop. I remember being shown the Civil War movie Glory in high school, a lot of kids weren't interested, i was. Saving Private Ryan should be required viewing in school. Another thing, respect your elders, you never know what they might have been through, however you don't have to bow to anyone older than you if they are rude, war hero or not. Just a few thoughts. But beware of the movie Oogly, it shouldn't be worse that any of the other violence that kids are bombarded with today. Just beware that alot of the violence in that movie actually happened to real folks like you and me.
It's sad...maybe man will learn one day, but i doubt it.
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My father-in-law was there---0630, Omaha Beach, First Wave.
When the film first came out, I saw it in the theatre, and later recommended that he see it. He said he's see it "when he was ready".
Three years later, he borrowed our copy of the DVD and whatched it alone, then again with my mother-in-law.
He was very struck by the accuracy.
He had seen "The Longest Day" years before, but liked the accuracy of SPR better.
He was one of those who while loaded down with gear, lost his M1 in the surf coming on shore and was ordered by some lieutenant to "go find one".
After charging up the escarpment with the others...helping to clear a bunker...pulled back the bolt on his M1 only to find...that it wasn't loaded.
That night he slept in a ditch.
Later in the week he was the last foxhole on the extreme US left...the next foxhole over were the British forces.
He later became a medic, earned three bronze stars, and was wounded at Huertegin Forest and shipped back to Paris where he was the Seargent At Arms for the Paris US Hospital.
Yes, Oogly....see the movie.
Most younger folks are being taught literally nothing in their history classes about 1900 - present.
68ROX
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
To be honest OOgly i wish more kids were interested in their History. History has a lot to teach you. What to do, what not to do. Keep being open and curious and stick to your own beliefs as they develop. I remember being shown the Civil War movie Glory in high school, a lot of kids weren't interested, i was. Saving Private Ryan should be required viewing in school. Another thing, respect your elders, you never know what they might have been through, however you don't have to bow to anyone older than you if they are rude, war hero or not. Just a few thoughts. But beware of the movie Oogly, it shouldn't be worse that any of the other violence that kids are bombarded with today. Just beware that alot of the violence in that movie actually happened to real folks like you and me.
It's sad...maybe man will learn one day, but i doubt it.
Thanks :D
However, I think alot of the girls in my class (maybe even some of the guys) would puke or start talking during interesting parts...
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I just started reading a book that reminded me of the post about the "Pacific" mini series coming in 2009. This book was also used as a source by Burns for part of his film "The War".
http://www.amazon.com/Old-Breed-At-Peleliu-Okinawa/dp/0891419063
Oogly....did you see Saving Private Ryan?
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Originally posted by Oogly50
Yar, I be 12...
My parents, hmm... They may be hesitant a LITTLE... :noid
I've been watching some video's on youtube... Makes me hate nazi's... :(
The D-Day scene... WOW, just WOW. That beginning part of it, really set the mood.
Also, Tac. I'll youtube The thin red line. Same with band-o- brothers
Thanks guys
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surround sound.
nothing that i have ever seen can beat that scene. ever.
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Originally posted by JB88
surround sound.
nothing that i have ever seen can beat that scene. ever.
You've not seen Band of Brothers???:confused:
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ya. it's very good as well.
but the beach landing scene in saving private ryan remains unmatched...imho.
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Actually, I thought Tom Hanks fit his role in SPR pretty well: an ex-school teacher who epitomized the average American who served his country in a time of great need...an ordinary man called upon to do extraordinary things.
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Watching Saving Private Ryan will end your childhood, Oog.
Are you ready to grow up this soon?
Just kidding, but it has a lot of impact of hard reality of what lies in store for young men only 6 years older than you... quite realistically depicted very bad things that happens to young soldiers on a battlefield even though the actor's ages makes it look like it's only about older guys.
It changed me and I will never face a battlefield.
It might not be too bad on a TV screen, though. But at your age I would not recommend seeing it at a movie theater with full volume surround sound.
You can save the movie for another time when you are ready to face your mortality.
If you simply must see a war movie... rent "Master and Commander."
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/master_and_commander/
Best all male casted movie war movie I have ever seen. A guy I used to date read all of the Aubrey-Maturin books by Patrick O'Brian even though he was a Col. in the US Army; he took me to see this movie.
Master and Commander is a historical naval novel by Patrick O'Brian. First published in 1970 it is first in the Aubrey-Maturin series of stories of Captain Jack Aubrey and the naval surgeon Stephen Maturin.
TIGERESS
PS: I had to walk out of "Born on the Fourth of July" crying my eyes out.
Makes me weep to even recall it.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Actually, I thought Tom Hanks fit his role in SPR pretty well: an ex-school teacher who epitomized the average American who served his country in a time of great need...an ordinary man called upon to do extraordinary things.
I believe Tom Hanks' core "ordinariness" is key to his success as an actor just as it is with Will Smith, in my opinion.
Both are men very similar to those you would see on any street of any town or city in the USA... makes them both very believable in their roles.
TIGERESS
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Actually, I've been trying to find a band of brothers DVD with all the episodes on it... instead of just buying one episode at a time. I'll check eBay.
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Tigeress,
IMO they changed too much of the story. The ship Aubrey was pursuing was American in the books. In fact, the hull design made her a sister-ship to the USS Constitution (most anyone familiar with these ships can tell by the description of the ship's hull they used in the movies). No nation other than the United States was building frigates like that, so making her French but keeping the same design was pretty laughable. :p
Sorry, I'm of a mind that unless you have to adjust the story to make it practical to film, LEAVE THE DETAILS ALONE. Bending over for post-9/11 Americans Can't be Bad Guys politics does NOT count.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Tigeress,
IMO they changed too much of the story. The ship Aubrey was pursuing was American in the books. In fact, the hull design made her a sister-ship to the USS Constitution (most anyone familiar with these ships can tell by the description of the ship's hull they used in the movies). No nation other than the United States was building frigates like that, so making her French but keeping the same design was pretty laughable. :p
Sorry, I'm of a mind that unless you have to adjust the story to make it practical to film, LEAVE THE DETAILS ALONE. Bending over for post-9/11 Americans Can't be Bad Guys politics does NOT count.
No Movie ever did justice to the Book, IMHO. lol
To fully enjoy the movie, read the book afterwards!
I loved the movie! I would marry Capt Jack Aubrey! wooo HOOO!
I didn't read the book but as I recall the movie, the ship being pursued was an American built ship, not French built, with a supposedly cutting edge hull design... built in Boston according to memory. I don't now recall how it got into the hands of the French but it was named Acheron.
TIGERESS
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One of the few mistakes that is commonly cited in "Saving Private Ryan" is the fact the the guys in the squad talk so much when they traverse the country side.
Of course the sniper that recites the bible verses comes across extremely corny.
'Saving Private Ryan' is a great movie. But I agree, 'Band of Brothers' is a bit better.
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Sold, I believe, which the USN WASN'T doing (the construction of the Constitution-class frigates was the equivalent of top secret at the time. The British only found out how they were built after capturing one that ran aground during the War of 1812. Not only that, the US needed every ship they could get their hands on! They couldn't afford to sell one).
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Originally posted by Saxman
Sold, I believe, which the USN WASN'T doing (the construction of the Constitution-class frigates was the equivalent of top secret at the time. The British only found out how they were built after capturing one that ran aground during the War of 1812. Not only that, the US needed every ship they could get their hands on! They couldn't afford to sell one).
yes, that was it... sold to France. It didn't seem like a stretch to me cause as I recall my American History, France was a US ally during the Revolutionary war against the British.
I'm not a purist in the sense of faithful following of history in movies and viewed the story Master and Commander as a work of fiction.
Loved the music also and still have several .mp3s from the movie.
TIGERESS
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Saving Private Ryan is 20 minutes of docu-drama and 2 hours of over-sentimental crap.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
The one greatest war film ever made. I remember reading quotes from WWII vets that were amazed at the sound recreation in many of the scenes. They said they literally started trembling as if they were back in that moment! Graphic scenes though, if you parents give you the OK, then I'd recommend it!
When i saw it n opening day i wound up sitting next to an old vet. We got to talking and he told me he had been on Omaha (if i remember correctly) beach. Before the movie he was chatty and enthusiastic, after the movie he just sat there, somber and as far as i know he sat there a long time, i never saw him leave the theater