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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Bosco123 on October 28, 2007, 12:43:58 PM
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One of the best fighters in WW2, it could stand up tho the spitfire and run with the P-51. We need this airplane in this game so that we can have the spit dweebs and the run stangs to stop their noobish ways.
Perk it also, so that we can have no noobs fly it.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
One of the best fighters in WW2, it could stand up tho the spitfire and run with the P-51. We need this airplane in this game so that we can have the spit dweebs and the run stangs to stop their noobish ways.
Perk it also, so that we can have no noobs fly it.
Chasing down Mustangs is bad enough.
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Performance
Maximum speed: 620 km/h at 7,000 m (385 mph at 22,965.88 feet)
Range: 1,160 km or 1,650 with two 100 liter drop tanks under wings (720.94 miles or 1,025.48 with two 26.4 US Gal drop tanks under wings)
Service ceiling: 12,700 m (41,666 ft)
Rate of climb: m/s (ft/min)
Wing loading: kg/m² 176.2 (lb/ft² 36.01)
Power/mass: kW/kg 0.291 (hp/lb 0.18)
Taken from Wikipedia. It hardly "runs with the Mustangs", judging by this data. Unless actual test documents show a much higher top speed (and acceleration statistics), I don't see why we'd need to perk this aircraft.
And if these statistics are any indication, it's on pretty much the same level as the MiG-3...
Performance
Maximum speed: 640 km/h (397 mph)
Combat range: 820 km (510 miles)
Service ceiling: 11,500 m (37,700 ft)
Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,890 ft/min)
Wing loading: 192 kg/m² (39.4 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.30 kW/kg (0.18 hp/lb)
...Also taken from Wikipedia. The MiG-3, even though it's an earlier fighter, is faster, likely turns better, and likely accelerates just a bit better (if power to weight ratio is any indication).
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At those numbers it doesn't even run with Spitfires.
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stright fromthe giant book of "WW2 Combat Aircarft":
At a qualitive leval, the final generation of Italian fighters represented a dramatic evolution compared to the standards of the aircraft that equipped the Regina Areonautica. Powerful, well-armed, and with preformance equal to if not better than those of the most sophisticated aircraft in production at the time (both Allied and Axis) the only limitation of the M.C. 205, the G-55 and the Reggiane Re. 2005 (the three models form the so-called series 5) was that they arrived on the scene of the conflict too late. Their constructionwas made possible by the availibilty of a more pwerful version of the German Daimler Benz engine, which was already equipped the Macchi M.C. 202 "Folgore" in the DB 601 version.
Of the Series 5 Fighters, the Fiat G.55 "Centauro" was emerged as the best overall, and in the course of its brief, but intense operitive career, carried out almost exclusivley bearing the insignia of the aviation Republica Sociale Italiana. After September 8, 1943, this fast and robust combat plane proved to be unbeatable interceptor at altitude. In the air battles that took place in northern Italy during the last year of war, the "Centaruo" cashed with fromidable adversaries (such as the British spitfires and the American Mustangs, Thunderbolts and lightnings) and prove to be fearsome antagonist on all occasions.
The G.55 project was developed by Giuseppe Gabrielli, on the basis of the study made by the construction directors and areonutical ministry that called for the building of a high altitude, highly efficient fighter interceptor with remarkable wing surface area. The prototype, which was built in early months of 1942, took to the air on April 30 and was soon followed by another experimental planes. the aircraft was all metal low-wing single seat monoplane with retractable landing gear. It was powered by Daimler Benz DB 605A engine, generating a maximum of 1,475 hp, which drove a three-bladed Variable pich metal propeller. The armerment included two 12.7mm machine guns in the nose, syncronized to fire throgh the propeller; two 20mm Mauser cannons on the wings; and a third cannon that fired throgh the propeller hub.
To be continued....
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Continued from above:
Evaluation test yook place at the same time as those of the other two Series 5 Aircraft and went on for a long time, due to the difficulty in choosing between similar, equally effective aircraft. However, the Fiat project proved to be more advanced, better armed and faster at altitudes over 23,026 ft than the M.C. 205 and stronger than the Reggiane Re. 2005. In the end no choice was made. The orders were subdivided among all three models: 250 M.C. 205's, 600 G.55's, and 750 Re. 2005's. Although this decision rewarded the quality f the projects, it also led to the loss of time and dispersal of production effort.
The G.55's operitive carrer began in June 1943, with the 353rd squadron based at Rome's Ciampino airport, but the unit never too in any significant combat in all; the Regina Aeronutica recive 16 preseries aircraft and 15 of the initial production lot before September. However, followin the armistice, the assembly lines continued to complete aircraft, which all went to the fighter units of the Republican Aviation, which use approximently 150 until the final phase of the conflict.
After the war, Fiat was recommenced production in two verions the single seat G.55A and the two seater G.55B trainer: both were used by the Italian Airforce (19 and 10 aircraft resecfully and by the argentinian airforce (30 and 15). It is worth to mentioning a version in 1944, destined for the role of torpedo plane: the G.55S, which remaind in the prototype phase.
SpecsL
Aircraft: Fiat G.55
Nation: Italy
Manufacturer: Fiat SA
Type: Fighter
Year:1943
Engine: Daimler Benz DB 605A, 12-cylinder V, liquid-cooled, 1,475 hp
Wingspan: 38ft 11in (11.85m)
Length: 30ft 9 in (9.37 m)
Height: 12 ft 4 in (3.77 m)
Weight: 8,211 lb (3,720 kg)
Maximum speed: 385 mph (620 km/h) at 23,026 ft (7,000 m)
Ceiling: 42,763 ft (13,000 m)
Range: 1,025 miles (1,650 km)
Armament: 3X20 mm cannons, 2 machine guns
Crew:1
Realy in this gam the mustangs go 350 at top speed, do it goes around the same speed and its just as fast at high altitude it does have a high wing area so it is close to outurning the spit. lots of cannons like the 109 give it great armement.
its a great airplane overall.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
Realy in this gam the mustangs go 350 at top speed, do it goes around the same speed and its just as fast at high altitude it does have a high wing area so it is close to outurning the spit. lots of cannons like the 109 give it great armement.
its a great airplane overall.
What are you smoking?
(http://www.flyaceshigh.com/ahhelp/models/charts/p51dspd.gif)
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Originally posted by Fruda
I don't see why we'd need to perk this aircraft.
He said so the n00bs won't fly it, sheesh Fruda, get on the same page man!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Bronk
What are you smoking?
have you looked at the mph gauge in flight at low alt. the fastest I have the pony go was 350. obviously that chart is wrong
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Originally posted by Bosco123
have you looked at the mph gauge in flight at low alt. the fastest I have the pony go was 350. obviously that chart is wrong
Let me put it in simple terms, it's not the chart that is obviously wrong.
ack-ack
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ok me take picture and show you.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
ok me take picture and show you.
The screenshot is only going to show what we know already, the problem is on your end, not the games.
It's kind of funny how you're the only one with this problem. 95% of the time issue like this are caused by having incorrectly calibrated throttle, possible defective throttle or the player can't tell the difference between True Air Speed and Indicated Air Speed.
But don't let logic stop you, go ahead and keep telling yourself it's the game while everyone else zips past you in their Mustangs.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The screenshot is only going to show what we know already, the problem is on your end, not the games.
It's kind of funny how you're the only one with this problem. 95% of the time issue like this are caused by having incorrectly calibrated throttle, possible defective throttle or the player can't tell the difference between True Air Speed and Indicated Air Speed.
But don't let logic stop you, go ahead and keep telling yourself it's the game while everyone else zips past you in their Mustangs.
ack-ack
oh you make me laugh:lol :rofl
I shouldn't be that slow, since I am in the air races and do pretty well, I still have not seen someone beat me in a mustang, so....:aok
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Originally posted by Bosco123
oh you make me laugh:lol :rofl
I shouldn't be that slow, since I am in the air races and do pretty well, I still have not seen someone beat me in a mustang, so....:aok
That's funny, because I was going 411 at 21,500 feet last night.
Some of you people and your ridiculous tendencies, I just don't know sometimes.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He said so the n00bs won't fly it, sheesh Fruda, get on the same page man!
ack-ack
Which is no reason whatsoever to perk an aircraft.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
have you looked at the mph gauge in flight at low alt. the fastest I have the pony go was 350. obviously that chart is wrong
You calling HT a liar boi?
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Originally posted by Fruda
Which is no reason whatsoever to perk an aircraft.
Hehe, sorry. I had forgotten to add the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags to my previous post.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Bosco123
ok me take picture and show you.
Me first:
P-51D at just over 500ft ASL, 100% fuel, .01 burn rate, 6 guns and full ammo, it would be a bit faster with less fuel. I accelerated to this speed using WEP instead of doing a quicker, but less precise deceleration test:
(http://members.arstechnica.com/x/karnak/P51D.JPG)
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Karnak, thats what HTC chart shows also. That under 5K the pony will be around 370. On the other hand the speed quoted by Bosco post puts the 55 at Maximum speed: 385 mph (620 km/h) at 23,026 ft (7,000 m). the pony at that alt will be running at 425 easy, a substantial number over the top speed of the 55. The 55 on the deck wouldn't get much over 300.
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Yup. I was just calling BS on his "Pony does 350" claim.
The G.55 isn't going to be outrunning Spitfire Mk VIIIs, Mk XVIs or Ki-84s, let alone P-51s.
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Actually G.55's top speed is 630km/hr at 8000m and more maneuverable than P51. Fire power and climb rate also better.If you guys cared speed so much, Re.2005 could reach 678km/hr at 2000m and 7000m. G.56 is also a good choice for perk.
I think G.55 can against Ki84,Spitfire VIII or IX well because its' excellent all around maneuverability,and has good chance to fight with P51. In official history, the fastest plane shot down by G.55 is P38. Sorry for my bad English.:)
more information about G.55 (http://xoomer.alice.it/g55/index.htm)
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Originally posted by CPW
Actually G.55's top speed is 630km/hr at 8000m and more maneuverable than P51. Fire power and climb rate also better.If you guys cared speed so much, Re.2005 could reach 678km/hr at 2000m and 7000m. G.56 is also a good choice for perk.
I think G.55 can against Ki84,Spitfire VIII or IX well because its' excellent all around maneuverability,and has good chance to fight with P51. In official history, the fastest plane shot down by G.55 is P38. Sorry for my bad English.:)
more information about G.55 (http://xoomer.alice.it/g55/index.htm)
Oh don't get me wrong, I think a G 55 would be a great addition (as well as the P39), but its not faster than a pony, nor more nimble than a spit as stated above.
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I have been asking for the Fiat G55/II since I started playing the origanl Aces High. Hopefully, one day we will see it. Maybe it will make it when Combat tour comes out. LOL
Anyway, it would make a good addition, but it is in no way an uber plane, nor would it justify being perked.
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Originally posted by Fruda
That's funny, because I was going 411 at 21,500 feet last night.
Some of you people and your ridiculous tendencies, I just don't know sometimes.
Have you jst read what I posted earlier have you looked at the mph gauge in flight at low alt.
im not a 21000 feet there sir, now I know I was off by ten mph realy 350 is a guesstimate to the indicated speed.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Oh don't get me wrong, I think a G 55 would be a great addition (as well as the P39), but its not faster than a pony, nor more nimble than a spit as stated above.
Never did I say the the G55 was nimbler than the spit its close but not the same, the spit could still outtur almost anything in the game.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
im not a 21000 feet there sir, now I know I was off by ten mph realy 350 is a guesstimate to the indicated speed.
Closer to 20mph and you claimed the P-51 topped out at 350mph while comparing that to the G.55's speed at 21,000ft. The natural assumption was to think you were comparing apples to apples and not apples to oranges.
Using your tactic I can demonstrate that almost every fighter in AH is faster than the P-51.
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I realy don't want to fight I just want to see this airplane put into the game. Agree?
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Actually, no. The C.205 (~250 made) and N1K2-J (412 made) were downright common in comparison.
I can think of dozens of planes that should be added before it, including other Italian aircraft.
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The G.55 was a faster aircraft and tun even better at high alt. In comparison to the 205 it has a slight chance a low alt, but no chance at high.
and 30mm's souns good to me. I have a model of the airplane and I think that it flys great. It's very stabil in the air and a little hard to land. And if you tell me that its a model, well then you are wrong, models are exact replicas to the model. The only thing that is diffrent about them is that the model is a whole lot faster to scale speed, but would make it alot squirler than the actual airplane and If I already like the way it flies then it is going to be even better at scale speed.
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(http://kits.kitreview.com/images/sh72087reviewbg_box.jpg)
is this the G55?? and looks like C205
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I don't care what its performance was. I think there are much better things for HTC to spend effort on first.
Obviously it is not our call though. If they do add it I'd certainly not complain about it.
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The MiG-3 boldly out-classes it at high altitude. Well, save for the default guns package, but the Russians used a lot of field mods, especially gondola guns.
The Russians need more aircraft, simply because they played a much larger part in the war than the Italians did. MiG-3, Yak-3, Pe-2, and Tu-2 should be the next up, in no particular order.
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This is what we need!!
(http://renax.club.fr/sharkit/TMA/iar80.jpg):aok
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Originally posted by raider73
is this the G55?? and looks like C205
Of course...them all come from Italian...but G.55 got the best looking and performance :D
I think we need many new planes like Yak-3,P39,P63,ki44,ki100,Ki61-2,and N1K1J...etc in this game,not only G.55. And I believe it wouldn't appear recently.So why not just relax and wait...or play some other games which can find them now. Sorry for my bad English again...:)
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Originally posted by Bosco123
have you looked at the mph gauge in flight at low alt. the fastest I have the pony go was 350. obviously that chart is wrong
Obviously, you are a knucklehead...
However, don't let that prevent you from blathering further.
P-51D has been tested at 441 mph at 25,000 feet
P-51D has been tested at 421 mph at 20,000 feet.
P-51D has been tested at 407 mph at 16,000 feet.
P-51D has been tested at 407 mph at 10,000 feet.
P-51D has been tested at 367 mph at sea level.
P-51B has been tested at 443 mph at 27,500 feet.
P-51B has been tested at 425 mph at 20,000 feet.
P-51B has been tested at 418 mph at 16,000 feet.
P-51B has been tested at 401 mph at 10,000 feet.
P-51B has been tested at 359 mph at sea level.
Widewing
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i think we have enough planes at the moment i mean wuts so bad with the them now:aok
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Its just so fun to fly the C.205 now with the 30mm and out turn the pony, jug 38 and typhoons. Now it may not be as fast but it is still fun to dogfight in them. Now the G.55 was faster than the C.205 but overall a better bomber killer. the Yak wil be just like the others, low ammo. The G.55 never had that problem. Yes, you do run out but not that fast. We are all worrying about speed, which seems to be the choice of matter here. I think that this airplane is a blessing in disguise.
The Russians did have an impact on the war, but not in the air.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
Its just so fun to fly the C.205 now with the 30mm ...
30mm, when did that happen?
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Originally posted by NitroFish
30mm, when did that happen?
It didn't...
Bosco is still in his delirious state.
This statement: "The Russians did have an impact on the war, but not in the air."
This is a remarkably ignorant comment, IMHO.
My regards,
Widewing
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Wow. Thanks for the laugh.
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Honestly, I don't know if thanking him because he's lobbying for an Italian plane, or kill him, because he's doing it so poorly, in so many ways..... :p
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Honestly, I don't know if thanking him because he's lobbying for an Italian plane, or kill him, because he's doing it so poorly, in so many ways..... :p
You could write "Thank you!" on the bullet...
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Originally posted by Lusche
You could write "Thank you!" on the bullet...
:lol
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Well not going to say anything more its up to you guys weather you want it or not.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
Well not going to say anything more its up to you guys weather you want it or not.
No, its up to HTC as it has aways been :)