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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlueJ1 on October 28, 2007, 01:44:40 PM
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Sitting in the shop for sometimes long hours on end waiting for the air framers to get done with their job so we can move in and do ours and move the birds to the flight line we tend to create some interesting games. One we recently created that sometimes brings up some good arguments is the twilight zone game. One person gives a scenario and everyone else gives their ideas on what would happen and the contributing factors. Now I have one for you all.
The Scenario:
Its 1945. Nazi Germany stands strong after removing British and American forces from Africa thanks to Rommel. great Britain has fallen. The U.S.S.R are in peace talks with Germany once again. Japan has occupied most of China and avoids further major conflict with the U.S. The German army builds its Navy into a major force. including the brand new Graf Zeppelin. The German military invades the United States.
The question: Will the U.S. manage to defend from a large scale invasion? What will effect the outcome of this?
Blue
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In modern times, there have only really been two super powers. America, and Japan. A superpower being described as being able to project military power anywhere in the world.
Given this, the american rifleman and America's industrial might, Germany doesn't stand a chance.
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sprechen Sie nicht Englisch
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
In modern times, there have only really been two super powers. America, and Japan. A superpower being described as being able to project military power anywhere in the world.
Given this, the american rifleman and America's industrial might, Germany doesn't stand a chance.
Do you believe that the highway systems in the U.S. would play into the advantage of the German blitzkrieg?
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Do you believe that the highway systems in the U.S. would play into the advantage of the German blitzkrieg?
Of course we didn't have the highway system we have today in the 1940s. Assuming the Germans conquered europe and the US felt secure enough to go about business as usually for the next 30-40 years, building it's concrete web, the Germans would still have to transport those tanks and troops to our shores. The time required for that "blitkrieg" would turn it into more of a blitzseige I suspect.
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The interstate highway system didn't exist in 1945.
It didn't come about until President Eisenhower in the mid 50's
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My mistake. Slipped up.
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Here's a scary scenario. Nikita Khrushchev threatens the US "we will bury you". Just more than 50 years later a certain female presidential candidate makes good on the promise.
Where can I find a free or really really cheap proofreader?
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He threatened to bury us economically. Looks like China is making good on that one.
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are you saying Germany has taken over GB and all of Europe, or is eastern Europe still independent?
If they do not have complete control of GB then the US has a place to attempt to stop the ships and transports going across the Atlantic.
One problem with the scenario Germany doesn't have the natural resources, and space to compete with the food and manufacturing capabilities on the USA. Over the long term I don't think they'd be able to control, occupy, or stop the US from growing, building military equipment, and providing for our military.
Add in the amount of civilians who would fight back all over because of our right to bear arms the Germans would be pushed back. just think of down south and in the rural midwest areas. all those hunters, kids even that could shoot as well as a trained soldier. French Resistance? Imagine what the "American Resistance" would really be like.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Here's a scary scenario. Nikita Khrushchev threatens the US "we will bury you". Just more than 50 years later a certain female presidential candidate makes good on the promise.
Where can I find a free or really really cheap proofreader?
I use Firefox itself. No grammar editor, but a spelling checker very similar to Microsoft Word.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I use Firefox itself. No grammar editor, but a spelling checker very similar to Microsoft Word.
I have a spell checker but I often fail to use it and it doesn't catch my Patron enhanced errors. :)
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Originally posted by JB73
are you saying Germany has taken over GB and all of Europe, or is eastern Europe still independent?
If they do not have complete control of GB then the US has a place to attempt to stop the ships and transports going across the Atlantic.
One problem with the scenario Germany doesn't have the natural resources, and space to compete with the food and manufacturing capabilities on the USA. Over the long term I don't think they'd be able to control, occupy, or stop the US from growing, building military equipment, and providing for our military.
Add in the amount of civilians who would fight back all over because of our right to bear arms the Germans would be pushed back. just think of down south and in the rural midwest areas. all those hunters, kids even that could shoot as well as a trained soldier. French Resistance? Imagine what the "American Resistance" would really be like.
Germany has all of Europe under control.
A change to the scenario. Germany does not invade. Where to next? I would assume the U.S.S.R.
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In modern times, there have only really been two super powers. America, and Japan.
How do you work that out? The UK was arguably a superpower up to 1945, although it was burnt out and bankrupt by that point. It was definitely a super-power before WWI, and while waning perhaps, it still had that status in 1939.
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Originally posted by Dowding
How do you work that out? The UK was arguably a superpower up to 1945, although it was burnt out and bankrupt by that point. It was definitely a super-power before WWI, and while waning perhaps, it still had that status in 1939.
You're sounding almost as bad as Viking, lamenting (I did not say whining) the good ole days. :p
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It would depend on control of the air.
The Germans would be hard pressed to launch a successful invasion with just one carrier. Their air force would need to fly from bases in England/Ireland or even Iceland and Greenland. Depending on the distances, numbers and types of planes available and the weather, of course, I think they'd have a rough go of it.
Like the Battle of Britain, the airspace over the Northeastern US and Canada would have to be secured by Germany to ensure a successful invasion.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Germany has all of Europe under control.
A change to the scenario. Germany does not invade. Where to next? I would assume the U.S.S.R.
that's a lot more feasible. with the land available, and the natural resources available just into Russia like the oil fields makes it a much more realistic and reachable target for Germany.
I know the movie "Enemy at the Gates" is a movie, but it brings up a point... the sheer numbers of Russians, and the commitment to their country is soemthing Germany would have a hard time with.
It would be a lot like us and invading Japan directly. the Japanese would rather die than surrender / lose. The Russians seem to be more like that, and the casualties would be immense, probably in the millions.
It's not too hard to look at the logic of these different scenarios. The human element, individual dedication to their country, and the resolve of the military leaders is the unknown; and hard to guess at.
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Originally posted by JB73
that's a lot more feasible. with the land available, and the natural resources available just into Russia like the oil fields makes it a much more realistic and reachable target for Germany.
I know the movie "Enemy at the Gates" is a movie, but it brings up a point... the sheer numbers of Russians, and the commitment to their country is soemthing Germany would have a hard time with.
It would be a lot like us and invading Japan directly. the Japanese would rather die than surrender / lose. The Russians seem to be more like that, and the casualties would be immense, probably in the millions.
It's not too hard to look at the logic of these different scenarios. The human element, individual dedication to their country, and the resolve of the military leaders is the unknown; and hard to guess at.
Well, you'd better plan your invasion of Russia for the end of winter and it'd better be complete by the next fall or you'll be destined/doomed to repeat history in it's very cold finality.
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Originally posted by Dowding
How do you work that out? The UK was arguably a superpower up to 1945, although it was burnt out and bankrupt by that point. It was definitely a super-power before WWI, and while waning perhaps, it still had that status in 1939.
A superpower is someone who can transport the majority of their army across the world. I'm not talking about sending a small reactionary force somewhere in the world, but all of the British Army.
Don't take it as an insult (unless of course, you miss the golden British Imperial days when they were a super power), not even Russia during it's highest point was a super power.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
A superpower is someone who can transport the majority of their army across the world. I'm not talking about sending a small reactionary force somewhere in the world, but all of the British Army.
Don't take it as an insult (unless of course, you miss the golden British Imperial days when they were a super power), not even Russia during it's highest point was a super power.
I think you are failing to consider the USSR's ability to impart total annihilation of an enemy via it's intercontinental ballistic missile program. I think that qualifies it as a super power.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I think you are failing to consider the USSR's ability to impart total annihilation of an enemy via it's intercontinental ballistic missile program. I think that qualifies it as a super power.
No, I considered it. But don't forget that there were other countries besides us and the USSR that could do the same.
But remember, it's kind of hard to change something that's not there anymore...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No, I considered it. But don't forget that there were other countries besides us and the USSR that could do the same.
But remember, it's kind of hard to change something that's not there anymore...
Not hard if you're a democrat. ;)
Seriously though, Russia has a sizeable navy, air force, and more than a few megatons in fissionable materials they could lob our way.