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Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: JB73 on October 31, 2007, 10:41:58 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306557,00.html


They are saying a kid (age not given) was playing with matches and started the CA fires :O :O

There is talk about prosecuting the kid, but they are unsure at this time...



I remember as a 12 year old or so making "camp fires" in a local woods with a buddy who had to sneak the matches from his mother. We thought it was cool, but looking back we could have burned down a huge forest with all those dry leaves and twigs we burned.

I wonder if this kid was doing something similar.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Airscrew on October 31, 2007, 10:46:51 AM
Actually I believe they said it was a kid that started one of the fires, not all the fires.  There were several different fires.  The one the kid started was responsible for about 31,000 acres and 21 homes lost.  at least thats what I read this morning...
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Curval on October 31, 2007, 10:49:24 AM
sniff sniff

I smell a lawsuit.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: GtoRA2 on October 31, 2007, 10:56:25 AM
Who here wasnt a firebug as a kid?

Jeeze my friends and I burned and blew up all kinds  of stuff.

We were never dumb enough to do it in a place it could get out of control. Well there was that one time.....
Title: Re: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: BaldEagl on October 31, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
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Originally posted by JB73
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,306557,00.html


They are saying a kid (age not given) was playing with matches and started the CA fires :O :O

There is talk about prosecuting the kid, but they are unsure at this time...



I remember as a 12 year old or so making "camp fires" in a local woods with a buddy who had to sneak the matches from his mother. We thought it was cool, but looking back we could have burned down a huge forest with all those dry leaves and twigs we burned.


hehe... I remember doing the same.  Then, one day, my best buddie had a box of .22 shells and threw it into a fire that we lit near the house his dad was building.

We were lucky we had a stack of pallets to hide behind.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Ripsnort on October 31, 2007, 11:04:34 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Who here wasnt a firebug as a kid?

Jeeze my friends and I burned and blew up all kinds  of stuff.

We were never dumb enough to do it in a place it could get out of control. Well there was that one time.....
Exactly. Nothing should happen to this kid IMO.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: GtoRA2 on October 31, 2007, 11:09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Exactly. Nothing should happen to this kid IMO.


I agree
Thats what the insurance industry is there for.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: AWMac on October 31, 2007, 11:17:14 AM
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Who here wasnt a firebug as a kid?

Jeeze my friends and I burned and blew up all kinds  of stuff.

We were never dumb enough to do it in a place it could get out of control. Well there was that one time.....


"Hello operator I'd like to make a long distance phone call please.  Yes Ma'am the Fremont, CA Police Department..Arson Division... Yes Ma'am I'll hold....."


:p


Mac
Title: Re: Re: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: JB73 on October 31, 2007, 11:18:48 AM
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
hehe... I remember doing the same.  Then, one day, my best buddie had a box of .22 shells and threw it into a fire that we lit near the house his dad was building.

We were lucky we had a stack of pallets to hide behind.
Mythbusters did a piece on bullets in a fire. I don't know if you saw it, but it was surprising.

The end result was basically they wouldn't kill you even 5 feet away. the shells were the most dangerous as they were lighter and flew further... but nothing had "penetration" strength at 5 feet.

They had an assortment from .22 all the way up to .50 cal bullets in there too.

You would get hurt, but not nearly as much as getting actually shot.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: GtoRA2 on October 31, 2007, 11:25:15 AM
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Originally posted by AWMac
"Hello operator I'd like to make a long distance phone call please.  Yes Ma'am the Fremont, CA Police Department..Arson Division... Yes Ma'am I'll hold....."


:p


Mac



They would be hard pressed to find evidense from, hmm lets see, I was 12,  I am now not 12....  **** that was like 21 years ago.

I feel old now...... not Mac old though.... :D
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: AWMac on October 31, 2007, 11:32:49 AM
21 years ago?

and at that time your address was....?

Did you act alone or were there accomplices...errr friends with you?

If you had to discribe yourself... like maybe 21 years ago...what would you look like?


*  "Yes Sir Officer I have him online now......"  *

:D

Mac
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: rpm on October 31, 2007, 01:30:54 PM
Why aren't  we sending  this little  AlQueda lover to Gitmo?

You know Faux News was playing this up as a terrorist  plot.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: ChickenHawk on October 31, 2007, 01:41:01 PM
Faux News exclusive:  little boy who started fire confesses.  "Al Quada made me do it."
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Dowding on October 31, 2007, 02:01:24 PM
Nothing should happen to this kid? Strange method of discipline you have there Ripsnort, when arson isn't a punishable offence. Even accidental arson would have got me a good hiding when I was a kid.

Liberal parenting... :aok
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: MotorOil1 on October 31, 2007, 02:32:13 PM
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Originally posted by rpm
You know Faux News was playing this up as a terrorist  plot.


That's what I thought they said.  Guess the next story will be about the kid and his training camp in Afghanistan.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: eagl on October 31, 2007, 05:36:41 PM
That's neo-con propaganda.  We all know that global warming caused the fires.

Republican shill.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: eagl on October 31, 2007, 05:39:29 PM
On a serious note, I suspect that a "reasonable person" would find the parents of this child financially liable for damages in a civil trial.  I doubt they'd get either the kid or the parents on criminal charges even if someone was killed in that fire, but I bet civil charges would (will) stick.

21 So Cal houses... That's probably at least 10 mil in damages easy, even if the state doesn't come after them for firefighting expenses.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: AKIron on October 31, 2007, 09:28:19 PM
Why do we build houses in an area or in such a way that they are so vulnerable to a kid with a match? So long as we have kids and matches there will be accidental fires.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: eagl on October 31, 2007, 10:27:11 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Why do we build houses in an area or in such a way that they are so vulnerable to a kid with a match? So long as we have kids and matches there will be accidental fires.


You want to depopulate some 90% of the country because there are trees near the houses?

:huh
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: kamilyun on November 01, 2007, 12:41:14 AM
There's always something.  We had a 5.6 earthquake yesterday.  I sweated out Hurricane Hugo in 1989.  Midwest gets tornados, NE gets crazy icestorms and then heatwaves (brown outs).

Anywhere safe in the U.S.?
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: rpm on November 01, 2007, 01:00:15 AM
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Originally posted by kamilyun
Anywhere safe in the U.S.?
Not since 9/11 according to the Bush Administration and Faux News.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Wolfala on November 01, 2007, 02:28:18 AM
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Originally posted by kamilyun
There's always something.  We had a 5.6 earthquake yesterday.  I sweated out Hurricane Hugo in 1989.  Midwest gets tornados, NE gets crazy icestorms and then heatwaves (brown outs).

Anywhere safe in the U.S.?



NORAD
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: AKIron on November 01, 2007, 07:51:53 AM
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Originally posted by eagl
You want to depopulate some 90% of the country because there are trees near the houses?

:huh


Or, maybe better fire retardant building materials in the areas where one kid can wreak so much havoc?



Worth noting that these uncontrollable fires don't happen everywhere, certainly not in 90% of the country. I think it's more like 2-3%.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: JB88 on November 01, 2007, 08:16:08 AM
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Originally posted by Wolfala
NORAD


not since joshua took over.

:noid
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: 68Wooley on November 01, 2007, 12:20:07 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Or, maybe better fire retardant building materials in the areas where one kid can wreak so much havoc?



Worth noting that these uncontrollable fires don't happen everywhere, certainly not in 90% of the country. I think it's more like 2-3%.


If it wasn't for the strict building codes - including fire retardant materials, a lot more than 21 homes would have been lost in Irvine and the Canyons.

There are a lot of homes around here that are in dangerous areas and a lot of home owners could do a much better job of protecting their property by clearing brush etc, but the thing you have to remember is the fires of last week were extreme - even for here. When you're dealing with fires capable of jumping 10 lane freeways in seconds, your fate and that of your home is in God's hands.

Wildfires don't affect 90% of the country, but tell me what percentage of the country is entirely safe from some form of natural disaster?

1. Hurricanes
2. Tornadoes
3. Ice Storms
4. Earthquakes
5. Volcanic activity
6. Wildfires
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Airscrew on November 01, 2007, 01:59:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 68Wooley
Wildfires don't affect 90% of the country, but tell me what percentage of the country is entirely safe from some form of natural disaster?

1. Hurricanes
2. Tornadoes
3. Ice Storms
4. Earthquakes
5. Volcanic activity
6. Wildfires

you left off
7. floods
8. Blizzards
9. Locust
10.  (and just for Mac) hords of Flying Monkeys....
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Elfie on November 01, 2007, 02:37:27 PM
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
That's what I thought they said.  Guess the next story will be about the kid and his training camp in Afghanistan.


That Fox news story didn't say it WAS Al-Qaeada starting the fires. They brought up the possibility of it being caused by Al-Qaeada based on an FBI memo about Al-Qaeada maybe starting fires in the western US.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: Airscrew on November 01, 2007, 02:42:22 PM
and any mention or followup yet on the guy the police shot and killed that was trying to start another fire?

and btw I read the kid was only 6.
Title: So a kid playing with matches did it
Post by: moot on November 01, 2007, 03:04:29 PM
Damnit, where's ghi when you need him...