Aces High Bulletin Board

General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on November 03, 2007, 11:40:06 AM

Title: Ron Paul and the BATFE
Post by: wrag on November 03, 2007, 11:40:06 AM
is here................

http://redstradingpost.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-response-to-atf-shutting-down.html

I'm beginning to REALLY like this man!

He actually wants very much to reduce Gov. and get em out of our lives to a large degree.
Title: Ron Paul and the BATFE
Post by: rpm on November 03, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
He doesn't have a snowball's chance. But, if he's the Republican nominee I'd vote for him.
Title: Ron Paul and the BATFE
Post by: bj229r on November 03, 2007, 01:32:41 PM
For all I loathe about Jimmy Carter, he had a few decent ideas about what he wanted to do in '76....and Tip Oneill and Congress told him to STFU, and THEY were his own party...How would Ron Paul do any better?
Title: Ron Paul and the BATFE
Post by: Charon on November 03, 2007, 01:46:36 PM
Quote
For all I loathe about Jimmy Carter, he had a few decent ideas about what he wanted to do in '76....and Tip Oneill and Congress told him to STFU, and THEY were his own party...How would Ron Paul do any better?


From a practical sense, for a Ron Paul to succeed after an election he/she would have to be very charismatic, for starters (strike 1 against Paul :)). Note up front in the inaugural (or before, actually) that the next two years will not see a lot accomplished as efforts will be resisted by the establishment in both parties. Have regular (at least weekly) press conferences showing how your efforts are being resisted. Keep a Web list of those  in Congress who support your platform (like the NRA rating system) of change and those who don't. Push this through the midterm election cycle. Support those working towards a smaller government regardless of party. Let the American people know that change is up to them, etc.

Hopefully, at the midterms a great many incumbents/resisters will be voted out. That might free up some actual policy action in the next two years... but... keep pushing the same approach for the next election cycle. You have to get in new members of Congress on board that support the policy or show the incumbents that they will lose without their support of your efforts.

Not easy, by any means. Uphill, and long odds. Most importantly, the American people have to understand and buy into the concept of small government (be they conservative or liberal). Unfortunately, hard to see that today.

Charon
Title: Ron Paul and the BATFE
Post by: wrag on November 03, 2007, 05:44:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by bj229r
For all I loathe about Jimmy Carter, he had a few decent ideas about what he wanted to do in '76....and Tip Oneill and Congress told him to STFU, and THEY were his own party...How would Ron Paul do any better?


Perhaps if he vetoed enough things?
Title: Ron Paul and the BATFE
Post by: lazs2 on November 04, 2007, 09:29:01 AM
he does have a very good rating by the NRA but I have never heard him speak in any interview about the second amendment and what he would do.

I am finding this sorta.. heartening..

I have always said that the country is red and blue and should just be split up.. there is no compromise possible... I will not compromise with socialists.   They will not allow individualists.. what I find so funny is that so many on the left would... say they would... vote for a libertarian.. as could I..  

I think that it boils down to... the lefties who would vote for ron paul really don't know what he is all about...  

How can they be for strict gun control and ron paul?   How can they be for socialized medicine and welfare and public schools and ron paul?   It makes no sense.. must be the war...

The war..  I think it would be a shame to have ron paul run it but.. honestly.. I don't care much.. let em come here and blow up blue cities and malls..  I don't go there in any case.   let us be shut out of the oil market so long as we drill off the coast and alaska and build nukes.  

The only reason the left and the right can come together on ron paul is because the left hasn't thought it through.  not past the war and cheap pot anyway..

lazs