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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SINNER on November 03, 2007, 12:46:54 PM
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First of all I want to say that I know that all but the best of Aces High Pilots occasionally steal a kill without meaning to. The night this following incident happened, I did it myself. Pieper and I were shooting at an LA and his tail came off. I thought I'd shot it off. I wasn't doing too well, and wasn't in the best of moods, so I followed him down, shooting him all the way.
After he was dead, and I had the kill, Pieper told me that he'd shot the tail off. Had I realized that before hand, I wouldn't have followed him down. So I don't criticize someone when that happens to me. I know it's confusing, especially in a furball where everyone's shooting the same guy.
By the same token, I've seen situations where someone calls out that some guy's dead, just because he's smoking. The "dead" guy then continues to shoot down a couple of your comrades, because everyone's too honorable to finish him off.
In this case however, it was blatant. I had shot the entire wing off an F4u and was watching him spiral down. I noticed Jones84 heading for him and called out on the range channel to leave him alone. Tracers then streak from Jones plane to the crippled f4u. This wasn't a guy trying to make it home on half a wing, he was out of control. I called out again. More tracers. Jones stayed on him so aggressively that he collided and died.
BigBobCH saw the whole thing, from a closer vantage point than mine. I got the assist, and Jones evidently got the kill. No one else shot the f4u that I'm aware of, and he was all in one piece when we started, as you'll see in this film.
Later, Jones first tried to say that he just collided with him. He made the lame statement that he'd been flying with 3 kills to his credit, and why would he want to die? Well, indeed, why turn around, chase and collide with a crippled enemy if you're holding 3 kills etc?
When Bob and I both confronted him on the radio about seeing his tracers, he eventually, after several more denials apologized, saying he'd only been flying for 2 days. Flying around with 3 kills is pretty good for only 2 days flying, but what do I know?
If you watch the film (edited for only the part in question) with "use recorded views" you'll see what I was seeing when I yelled at him. You can't see the F4u's wing come off, because the default back view with the hood blocking everything shows up in the film. If you pause and move the view around, you'll see it.
Just wanted to post this to shame the guy, because he wouldn't admit he did it.
By the way, I threw this webpage together just to post this, and you have to change the extension when you right click the file to download. It will show up as JonesSteal.htm, just download it and change it to JonesSteal.ahf and you can watch the film.
Thanks for taking up for me Bob, I appreciate it. Here's the link:
http://sinner.clearwire.net
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INteresting. See rules #4, #5 and #9
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ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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1st, it certainly can be frustrating when you have a kill "stolen"....
However the simple reality is it doesnt really matter. If you've done enough damage then regardless of what someone else does you 'll get the kill. Further for everytime someone "steals" a kill you have the reverse where you put a few rounds in a guy and 5 min later someone else starts whinning that they "lit up" an apparently undamaged plane and only got an assist....right as you of course got a kill out of "nowhere"...
In the end it all evens out...
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I say if it's on fire, let it burn (unless it's a zeke or it's trying to kill a friendly). If it's wing is gone, tail is gone, or plane in pieces let it go. Planes with half a wing are option (depending if they tryed to BnZ, HO, or Ram me :) )
Sometimes it is hard to tell if a plane is "dead" or not, such as it's rudder is gone it will still fly straight for a bit and others think he's still alive, but you know his rudder is gone (you saw it fly by you). Another one is when their elevators fall off. From far away you don't see that he's falling so you dive in to kill them only to notice their tail is gone at the last few seconds (I should know I almost shot a la this way. Luckily someone told me early enough that he was dead).
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Are you saying that if their missing a rudder to let them go? People can still fly without rudders and kill. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you lol:aok
For me, break off if they're
burning (and not chasing a friendly/rushing to a friendly to get one last kill)
burning buff (unless about to drop ords)
critical damage (ie missing tail, wing, etc)
otherwise fair kill, especially if they're in on a squaddie.
donkey
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Kill stealing is an art form.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Kill stealing is an art form.
so iz yo momma
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Originally posted by SINNER
First of all I want to say that I know that all but the best of Aces High Pilots occasionally steal a kill without meaning to. The night this following incident happened, I did it myself. Pieper and I were shooting at an LA and his tail came off. I thought I'd shot it off. I wasn't doing too well, and wasn't in the best of moods, so I followed him down, shooting him all the way.
After he was dead, and I had the kill, Pieper told me that he'd shot the tail off. Had I realized that before hand, I wouldn't have followed him down. So I don't criticize someone when that happens to me. I know it's confusing, especially in a furball where everyone's shooting the same guy.
By the same token, I've seen situations where someone calls out that some guy's dead, just because he's smoking. The "dead" guy then continues to shoot down a couple of your comrades, because everyone's too honorable to finish him off.
In this case however, it was blatant. I had shot the entire wing off an F4u and was watching him spiral down. I noticed Jones84 heading for him and called out on the range channel to leave him alone. Tracers then streak from Jones plane to the crippled f4u. This wasn't a guy trying to make it home on half a wing, he was out of control. I called out again. More tracers. Jones stayed on him so aggressively that he collided and died.
BigBobCH saw the whole thing, from a closer vantage point than mine. I got the assist, and Jones evidently got the kill. No one else shot the f4u that I'm aware of, and he was all in one piece when we started, as you'll see in this film.
Later, Jones first tried to say that he just collided with him. He made the lame statement that he'd been flying with 3 kills to his credit, and why would he want to die? Well, indeed, why turn around, chase and collide with a crippled enemy if you're holding 3 kills etc?
When Bob and I both confronted him on the radio about seeing his tracers, he eventually, after several more denials apologized, saying he'd only been flying for 2 days. Flying around with 3 kills is pretty good for only 2 days flying, but what do I know?
If you watch the film (edited for only the part in question) with "use recorded views" you'll see what I was seeing when I yelled at him. You can't see the F4u's wing come off, because the default back view with the hood blocking everything shows up in the film. If you pause and move the view around, you'll see it.
Just wanted to post this to shame the guy, because he wouldn't admit he did it.
By the way, I threw this webpage together just to post this, and you have to change the extension when you right click the file to download. It will show up as JonesSteal.htm, just download it and change it to JonesSteal.ahf and you can watch the film.
Thanks for taking up for me Bob, I appreciate it. Here's the link:
http://sinner.clearwire.net
i actually did it twice last night....both times not realizing that someone else had already pretty much finished the guy off...........
i've had it done to me NUMEROUS times, where i see the guys wing or tail come off, and i call on local VOX...."zeke is down" or whatever plane it is.....and some schmuck SEEING the wing off follows the guy to the ground shooting him. i even had a couple squadies do it to me. one was right after he was callin for help........i called "you're clear" when the bogie broke off, he extended.....by the time he came back, the hurri was mising his tail, and my own squaddie followed this guy to the ground shooting him........and HE got the kill........but o well, the fun is in knowing that I killled him....:D :D
after all,, this is just a game with cartoon airplanes
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yep just a game, I don't think kill stealing is anything to get fired up about. Especially if a noob who doesn't know anybetter. If you need a kill that badly, you can try and take mine, I don't mind. That goes for both of ya.
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Is it possible to kill steal your own kill?
donkey
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Always try to steal pipers killz. Makes for hours of entertainment :rofl
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
INteresting. See rules #4, #5 and #9
INteresting indeed....see rule #6 :D
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Kermitz kills all r belong to meh!
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Nothing PO's me like kill stealing.
Don't care about the HO
Don't care about the pick
Don't care about the vulch
Don't care about the spies
Do care about kill stealing. One of the weakest low-life skilless things you can do.
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Well here's a new and interesting topic for diszzzzzz.
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This is how I say it should go.
If enemy is still under controlled Flight then anyone with a shooting solution should be pelting him.
If he is no longer under controlled flight( wing off, tail off) then all parties involved should go cold guns and whenever he dies or bails the kill will be sent to the individual that took him down.
I also dont try to engage a enemy that is already engaged. I balive in the no more than 2 on 1 rule, but however sometimes things happen, I cant help it in 4 other guys follow me down for the same target.
U can also do like me and aim for the cockpit or fusalage and just blow the enemy to smitherreens, then there is nothing left for anyone else to shoot at;)
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I also dont try to engage a enemy that is already engaged
:lol what a load of crap. I have nice film of you running from 1 vs 1 to attempt to pick a guy engaged with 3 others already...and you got killed by him...:rofl
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Aint no such thing as kill stealing. The correct phrase is "Perk point re-distribution".
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In this case however, it was blatant. I had shot the entire wing off an F4u and was watching him spiral down. I noticed Jones84 heading for him and called out on the range channel to leave him alone. Tracers then streak from Jones plane to the crippled f4u. This wasn't a guy trying to make it home on half a wing, he was out of control. I called out again. More tracers. Jones stayed on him so aggressively that he collided and died.
I can't see why you got mad, I would have been laughing with glee at the sight of the kill stealer dying due to his own greed.
Interestingly enough, I had a run in with this guy today. He was issuing orders to knights like he was Adolf Galland. When I saluted him and told everyone to listen to General Jones, he called me a noob.
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
Are you saying that if their missing a rudder to let them go? People can still fly without rudders and kill. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you lol:aok
For me, break off if they're
burning (and not chasing a friendly/rushing to a friendly to get one last kill)
burning buff (unless about to drop ords)
critical damage (ie missing tail, wing, etc)
otherwise fair kill, especially if they're in on a squaddie.
donkey
I'm talking about when they loose their entire rudder and vert. stab.
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I also dont try to engage a enemy that is already engaged
LMAO ya the king of one on one LMFAO:rofl :rofl
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About a week ago I came across a 51 in my 9U at about 13K, as per usual in no time the fight was down to 5k or so (which is what I wanted anyway) he trys to scissor me and instead of trying to follow i climb, roll over and dive pack down, getting a nice snap shot and removing an elevator..
he immediately hits the deck and runs, I follow and am able to keep up and am VERY slowly closing.. then im guessing his wep ran out as i started to gain ground quicker at D600 (a long shot for the yak) I lobbed a few rounds to try and get him to turn, to my surprise they hit home and he lost his engine.. I could see his prop not turning and a quick check of the map confirms .. hes not getting home.... so im just kinda following him along. I only have 50 rounds of cannon ammo left so im more than happy to just let him ditch... he stops trying to maneuver either just giving up.. or keen of the fact that im no longer trying to kill him..
then SWOOSH!! a tiffie dives in and shoots his tail off.. the 51s nose jerks up, he flips backwards.. and shoots yours truly right in the face..
all I lost was a cowl gun, but i still got the kill and I still got to land the scalp.. but still kinda irked me.
funny now, but at the time.. I was a little miffed
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Originally posted by killnu
:lol what a load of crap. I have nice film of you running from 1 vs 1 to attempt to pick a guy engaged with 3 others already...and you got killed by him...:rofl
LOL onlytime ive ever shot at anything engaged by more than 3 is if they flew into my guns or head on with me.
Im ganna tell u the same thing I told steve, act like a grown man and quit trying to insult people. Stick to the matter at hand,
Far as film goes I got plenty of film of u muppets running from me also as well as plenty of ganging. If I recall 4 of u dove in on me at one time and went with me all the way to the deck.
How do u get off calling someone a runner because they dont intend to turn around at the disadvantage, GET OVERYOURSELF!!
Oh wait, thats right everyone is suppose to fight the way u want them to to make it easier for u.
If people run from u all the time get a faster plane and quit whining. Maybe 1 out of 10 planes might get away from me and I fly a -1a and u fly your super uber k-4.
Your crybaby threads are gettin old.
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Originally posted by scot12b
LMAO ya the king of one on one LMFAO:rofl :rofl
Yet another Grown ars adult acting like a 2 year old child.
Befor u make your idiotic posts read a thread first, I swear u only see what u want to see when someone types, and u definetly only reply to half of what someone writes.
I said i Rarly/Try not to engage a enemy that is already engaged. There are always variables
1. He is on a teamait and I have the best position to take him.
2. He flies into my guns as im passing by for another con.
3. He comes at me head on or another teamait out of desperation.
4. We take a base and theres 1 little con left so 20 of us go after him at the same time;) (thats the fun one LOL)
My point is, dont put words into someone elses mouth, read what they are saying and when someone says i try not to but THINGS HAPPEN, then dont make a stupid clame saying u have film of me doing it or u saw me do it, because it dosnt go against what i typed in the first place.
The next varible will be how much more crap is going to come out of your mouth. same thing I told steve, u pick on everyone all day in real life to? I guess it probly makes u feel like more of a man to talk about others in here huh?
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Originally posted by killnu
:lol what a load of crap. I have nice film of you running from 1 vs 1 to attempt to pick a guy engaged with 3 others already...and you got killed by him...:rofl
Let me guess I (ran) from a 109 right. Get over yourself a 109s weakness is a dive so of coarse u are probly going to have alot of enemys drive away from u. If u dont like it fly a pony. Dont complain to someone for using good tactices.
Post the film if u have it. I garentee it wont go down completly as u say. Like i said there was probly alot of variables.
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anyone got an file hosting site?
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Originally posted by killnu
anyone got an file hosting site?
http://www.savefile.com
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Originally posted by killnu
anyone got an file hosting site?
Or if u dont want to go threw the trouble send it to me at camaro_tuner2007@yahoo.com I will post it and link it (unedited of coarse)
I dont doubt u have the vidio but like i said there are some variables im sure. I never RUN unless im outnumberd or at a disadvantage, and even then I ususally try to keep 1K seperation and lag turn to help equal out the E, if I killed a con that was engaged with 3 already, it was probly because the opportunity came up to me.
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ok, started film after I came in below you, faster...I immeled and came over top on your long 6. As soon as I saw you nose down towards stang, who was already engaged, I turned on film...because I knew it was you.http://dl1u.savefile.com/08d305075bbcd3c1ff4cbe7cb067fe7d/Warlock.ahf (http://dl1u.savefile.com/08d305075bbcd3c1ff4cbe7cb067fe7d/Warlock.ahf)
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Originally posted by killnu
ok, started film after I came in below you, faster...I immeled and came over top on your long 6. As soon as I saw you nose down towards stang, who was already engaged, I turned on film...because I knew it was you.http://dl1u.savefile.com/08d305075bbcd3c1ff4cbe7cb067fe7d/Warlock.ahf (http://dl1u.savefile.com/08d305075bbcd3c1ff4cbe7cb067fe7d/Warlock.ahf)
Video is a blank screen when I viewed this.
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ROFLMAO!!!!!:rofl
Not only did he run from a 1 vs 1, he HO'd dweeb who was fighting 3 already!!!:rofl :lol
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The other day a guy shot a 190, and took his tail off. The 190 was in a nose up spin, firing the whole time. I was quite a ways away when he hit me. Couple that with the a6m barbeque express, and Im starting to think people should hose a guy until he pops. If I see a burning a6m..I dont care who was supposed to get the kill....Ill finish him.
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I started jokingly on squad vox to "start stealing each other's kills as a joke". Well, my squaddie Boxboy28 had a beauty of a steal Thursday night. It's ok though, he's a friend.
When other's do it, I'll make sure they hear about it. Squad is one thing, but bottomfeeding is another.
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skyrock, did you view it? or is something jacked up with it?
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Originally posted by killnu
skyrock, did you view it? or is something jacked up with it?
works just fine.
they were prob. not using the AH Film Viewer to view it.
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Originally posted by pluck
yep just a game, I don't think kill stealing is anything to get fired up about. Especially if a noob who doesn't know anybetter. If you need a kill that badly, you can try and take mine, I don't mind. That goes for both of ya.
am i one of the "both of ya"? i thought it came across in my post that i don't mind.....was just mentioning a couple times it happened and a couple times i did it accidently..........:D
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thanks lute.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The other day a guy shot a 190, and took his tail off. The 190 was in a nose up spin, firing the whole time. I was quite a ways away when he hit me. Couple that with the a6m barbeque express, and Im starting to think people should hose a guy until he pops. If I see a burning a6m..I dont care who was supposed to get the kill....Ill finish him.
OK... A week or two ago I was sitting at a VB maproom in an Osti. Hangers were down, I was the only one left and I had been holding this base on my own for over an hour (getting many many kills,,, re-upping occasionally).
So... A goon flys in low. Now there's some friendly planes in the area (at long last). I hear one of them on range say there's a goon. The goon drops 4 troops and I shoot the entire back half of his plane off. I announce over vox, "the goon is dead".
One of the friendlies flys in guns blazing and steals the kill.
I say on vox "nice kill steal".
"Sorry, he was droppping troops".
I have to wonder what part of:
1. "the goon is dead"
2. Seeing no tail section
2. Goons can't drop troops missing the back half of their plane.
3. Osti next to the map room makes troops worthless...
this guy didn't understand.
If you really feel that in that situation you have to "hose the guy until he pops" I don't want you as a countryman.
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Originally posted by pluck
yep just a game, I don't think kill stealing is anything to get fired up about. Especially if a noob who doesn't know anybetter. If you need a kill that badly, you can try and take mine, I don't mind. That goes for both of ya.
I have to agree with pluck on this one. I admit, accidents happen and there are exceptions.
Obie
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
so iz yo momma
OHHH SNAP!!!
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i dont understand why anyone wants to say something like 'I NEVER play the game in such and such a way'.... it just limits you in what you can do and makes you a liar when you do it.
far easier to just say 'i am a dweeb and often do all the dweeby things possible when online.' that way you have the most options ;)
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Originally posted by RTGorkle
Aint no such thing as kill stealing. The correct phrase is "Perk point re-distribution".
Freaking hilarious! Thanks for the PC terminology RTGORKLE!:lol
On a serious note, what does it matter? The enemy is dead, let's go find some more planes to shoot down!
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Originally posted by waystin2
what does it matter? The enemy is dead, let's go find some more planes to shoot down!
Someone gets it. :aok
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Originally posted by swoop777
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A little pre-emptive on a thread that won't be locked.
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Originally posted by killnu
skyrock, did you view it? or is something jacked up with it?
I viewed it.
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Originally posted by killnu
skyrock, did you view it? or is something jacked up with it?
Wont work form e says invalid download or something. If I hoed whoever it was that i killed it was probly because they turned their guns into me. Bad idea if u dont want to get shot at.
U are right u had way more speed than me, thats why i extened out and went into a dive, i could get my speed up to 450 and u couldnt go much faster than 450 without compressing, therefore equaling the E, then i had a chance with u.
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Originally posted by waystin2
let's go find some more planes to shoot down!
It doesn't take but one to shoot a plane down.....:aok
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This is what I get when I try and download it ...
Invalid download session. Please initialize download session again.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Wont work form e says invalid download or something. If I hoed whoever it was that i killed it was probly because they turned their guns into me. Bad idea if u dont want to get shot at.
U are right u had way more speed than me, thats why i extened out and went into a dive, i could get my speed up to 450 and u couldnt go much faster than 450 without compressing, therefore equaling the E, then i had a chance with u.
OH now i remember this incidient, yes u are correct I did Ho Dweeb, because someone called out that it was him, and I wanted a revenge kill;)
I also warned all 3 guys that i was comming for him, they told me it was ok mop the floor with him;) sometimes revenge is sweet;) I always like gettin the guy that got me the last round, nothing bad is ment by it, it is all in good fun its not my fault if u take it seriously.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
If I hoed whoever it was that i killed it was probly because they turned their guns into me. Bad idea if u dont want to get shot at.
Hard to blame a fella turnfighting with 3. :rofl
Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
U are right u had way more speed than me, thats why i extened out and went into a dive, i could get my speed up to 450 and u couldnt go much faster than 450 without compressing, therefore equaling the E, then i had a chance with u.
Thing is, I and most who like to fight would drag away from all other planes as to get a 1 vs 1, on the other hand, you drug him to a group of your buddies and then HO'd a con they were gangbanging at the time.
funny, everytime you're caught, there is still denial!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
It doesn't take but one to shoot a plane down.....:aok
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Originally posted by waystin2
let's go find some more planes to shoot down!
I know!:aok
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Originally posted by waystin2
quote:
Originally posted by waystin2
let's go find some more planes to shoot down!
I know!:aok
planes that are still flyingunder their own control?
:D
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Originally posted by CAP1
am i one of the "both of ya"? i thought it came across in my post that i don't mind.....was just mentioning a couple times it happened and a couple times i did it accidently..........:D
I think you are ok this time cap:)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Hard to blame a fella turnfighting with 3. :rofl
Thing is, I and most who like to fight would drag away from all other planes as to get a 1 vs 1, on the other hand, you drug him to a group of your buddies and then HO'd a con they were gangbanging at the time.
funny, everytime you're caught, there is still denial!:aok
LOL just like when i got accused of running yesterday, when i had one 1k on my six my squaddie was behind him and then he has a con behind him.
Us being the 2 faster planes i told him to dive, i didnt worry about the KI on my six i went in after his jug, and boom, 1 down, and with plane damage i went back after the KI and boom 2 down, with no casualties.
U confuse stratagy with running way to freaking much. get over yourself its a game. anything u say skyrock is about as usfull as a uses tampon.
I kill people in the game for all different kinds of reasons.
I didnt call u a picker when u been fying around at high alt in your pony ganging people now did i.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
planes that are still flyingunder their own control?
:D
Oh wait is this improper grammer and mispelling???
PROOFREAD!!!!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Hard to blame a fella turnfighting with 3. :rofl
Thing is, I and most who like to fight would drag away from all other planes as to get a 1 vs 1, on the other hand, you drug him to a group of your buddies and then HO'd a con they were gangbanging at the time.
funny, everytime you're caught, there is still denial!:aok
PROOFREAD!!!!!!!!!
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Actually, it's "proof read." :aok
P.S. You two are beginning to sound like a couple of old biddies on a cross-country Greyhound bus ride. :rofl
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
OK... A week or two ago I was sitting at a VB maproom in an Osti. Hangers were down, I was the only one left and I had been holding this base on my own for over an hour (getting many many kills,,, re-upping occasionally).
So... A goon flys in low. Now there's some friendly planes in the area (at long last). I hear one of them on range say there's a goon. The goon drops 4 troops and I shoot the entire back half of his plane off. I announce over vox, "the goon is dead".
One of the friendlies flys in guns blazing and steals the kill.
I say on vox "nice kill steal".
"Sorry, he was droppping troops".
I have to wonder what part of:
1. "the goon is dead"
2. Seeing no tail section
2. Goons can't drop troops missing the back half of their plane.
3. Osti next to the map room makes troops worthless...
this guy didn't understand.
If you really feel that in that situation you have to "hose the guy until he pops" I don't want you as a countryman.
Thats ok...Im not looking to become a Bish atm. LOL..wow..lighten up.
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Originally posted by SINNER
Jones stayed on him so aggressively that he collided and died.
Out of all of that discourse, that's me favorite part. Love it... :D
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Just announce on country channel that so and so is a blatant kill stealer and to give him NO check 6's.
Don't get mad, get even.:aok
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You know I dont pay much attention to 200 for a reason just like a couple of threads I have seen here on HOing and kill stealing. I personally am still a noobie from AW3 days and I believe that this is a game. Cartoon planes with having a good time with the people you are flying with.
I try to never steal a kill however I am sure it has happened every so often. At the same time I have had a few stolen, whatever who cares.
I am just looking to have a fun time with trying to outfly other pilots or to steal bases from the other sides.
:D
Blutalon
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I think HT should implement a new "FEATURE" next patch, where you can highlight and tun your VOX to whatever ENEMY is in front of you (much like selecting friendlies for chk6)..
that way you can spew profanity and insults at each other DURING the actual fight.. smack talk all you want..
would it help the game? no, but it would make 200 more interesting :D
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Thing is, I and most who like to fight would drag away from all other planes as to get a 1 vs 1
I agree w/ this statment.
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Originally posted by killnu
:lol what a load of crap. I have nice film of you running from 1 vs 1 to attempt to pick a guy engaged with 3 others already...and you got killed by him...:rofl
:D
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Originally posted by Max
Actually, it's "proof read." :aok
P.S. You two are beginning to sound like a couple of old biddies on a cross-country Greyhound bus ride. :rofl
Yes that was my point everyone wants to pick on my grammer, yet he had 2 posts back to back where he apparently forgot the spacebar, however Im not one to critisize someone on it. but that makes them a hypocryte when they jump all over me for it. It is just one more thing for them to argue about.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Hard to blame a fella turnfighting with 3. :rofl
Thing is, I and most who like to fight would drag away from all other planes as to get a 1 vs 1, on the other hand, you drug him to a group of your buddies and then HO'd a con they were gangbanging at the time.
funny, everytime you're caught, there is still denial!:aok
Yes I do to, I typicly drag then away for a 1 on 1, but sometimes things cant be helped, sometimes mistakes are made in the direction of the dive.
Skyrock you apparently belive that every single dogfight should be fought in exacly the same manner and the results are always the same.
Every single fight is handled in a different way. Maybe one day u can grasp this concept. U talk about 1 out of my 400 sorties a month, and base your opinion on me for that. u are not with me for all of them.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Yes I do to, I typicly drag then away for a 1 on 1, but sometimes things cant be helped, sometimes mistakes are made in the direction of the dive.
Skyrock you apparently belive that every single dogfight should be fought in exacly the same manner and the results are always the same.
Every single fight is handled in a different way. Maybe one day u can grasp this concept. U talk about 1 out of my 400 sorties a month, and base your opinion on me for that. u are not with me for all of them.
Grats on the grammar.......even though that first sentence is a mother of a run-on!:aok!
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Back on topic;
A former CO decides to join forces with another, so we allign our vox channels.
Seeing where this person is fighting, I up and begin heading to him. As I get into icon range, I find that he is involved in a 2v1 and is in trouble. I announce on vox, "OMW chk 6". I enter the engagement hard and overshoot his attacker and reverse, I get a nice shot off and take his attackers wing off saying, "ok the spit (or whatever) is down". Quickly after this he gets a kill on the enemy he was chasing, then rolls onto my kill and proceeds to fire, taking the kill. Man I was mad.
"What the heck* are you doing?? He was down!", I exclaimed.
I got no answer except from my CO, "who?"
"ah dont worry about it", I answered and immediately went back to squad vox.
Now this guy is one the better players in the game and to this day it still baffles me as to why he would do this. He didnt need any help? maybe, but not the way I saw it. Was he so mad at the attackers that he must kill them both? most likely
Maybe getting a kill stolen is bad, but from someone on the same vox that you're 'supposed' to be working with is way worse.
Alot of you are going to respond "paybacks are a b****", but as I said this person is great stick and redemption is not that easy.
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Originally posted by SINNER
Jones stayed on him so aggressively that he collided and died.
Karma's a *****, ain't it? :lol :lol :lol
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Leaving aside the fact that the whole discussion is really pretty lame I had an interesting one last night. I was watching a nikki who was engaged by a friendly. The nikki pulled up into the bounce and they popped each other pretty good....leaving both planes smoking and apparently out of control. The friendly was going down whil the nikki was just topping out. If I do nothing the friendly augers and I get an easy kill....so I popped the nikki and the friendly got a kill just before he hit dirt.
As a further observation I got assists on multiple planes that looked totally undamaged and racked up a 1/2 dozen kills or more on cons that someone else finished off....one 15 min after I popped the guy.
If you blow the guy up theres nothing left to pick, if not you usually get what you deserve....
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I can't see why you got mad, I would have been laughing with glee at the sight of the kill stealer dying due to his own greed.
Interestingly enough, I had a run in with this guy today. He was issuing orders to knights like he was Adolf Galland. When I saluted him and told everyone to listen to General Jones, he called me a noob.
Well, first of all, he did get the kill. I think it was shoot, miss, ram, get kill, then die.
2nd I suck and resent what little good I do being "stolen".
3rd I get mad easy :-)
Sinner
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Thats ok...Im not looking to become a Bish atm. LOL..wow..lighten up.
OK. Sorry. Guess I was still PO'd over that one. Had to get it out. All better now :)
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only half left wing missing on f4u...plane is still flyable
missing half right wing ...it is flyable and potentially lethal.
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Bottom line is this:
If the target has not exploded, bailed, or augered it is not dead. If you dont want your kill to be stolen MAKE IT EXPLODE. End of story.
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Originally posted by Grits
Bottom line is this:
If the target has not exploded, bailed, or augered it is not dead. If you dont want your kill to be stolen MAKE IT EXPLODE. End of story.
Spoken like a True Conflict Resolution & Human Relations Officer:)
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Originally posted by Grits
Bottom line is this:
If the target has not exploded, bailed, or augered it is not dead. If you dont want your kill to be stolen MAKE IT EXPLODE. End of story.
In some ways I agree, but when you have to give up your alt advantage and potentially a lot of ammo to make a spit with it's left wing missing, maple leafing to the ground "explode" when it's clear to even a noob the plane is seconds away from meeting the ground it stinks..
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all ya gotta do is remember that you might get around 300-1000 kills a tour without even trying hard. then ones you lose dont matter as much
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had trimmed the ailerons off this 109 the other night and was messin around with it.............sort of toying with it.
Group of freindlies come along ask If I am Ok...............i say yes he aint goin anywhere as he had no ailerons.
2 of em fly off but one decides he is gonna blow my toy out the sky..........
and makes a few pases on my toy
then I have to finish it first dive down and put a volly into it..............
over shoot...
and get 30mm shell up my back side :o(
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Originally posted by SINNER
Well, first of all, he did get the kill. I think it was shoot, miss, ram, get kill, then die.
2nd I suck and resent what little good I do being "stolen".
3rd I get mad easy :-)
Sinner
I was there. Somewhere along the line I remember you telling him that if he "confessed" his sin (pun intended), that you would not post the video.
What about posting the UN edited film? The part where the above conversation happened.
Yes the guy is a noob. He was a noob all night. He was saying and doing noob things. He even admitted to being a noob. You also had him rattled about posting the video. You humiliated him in the MA. Now you post the PARTIAL video here with the express intent of shaming him yet even more? I, personally do not like being quoted out of context, and I'm fairly sure that no one else does either.
I've seen Lute, VansCrew, SkyRock, Fester, SCCA, and many others, kill completely on the first pass, henceforth making a "kill steal" un-possible to use the words of another one-shot/one kill guy (Lusche)
To be absolutely candid, if it is smoking, missing parts, etc BUT still carries a RED tag, I will shoot at it. I may not intentionally chase it down, but if it passes within my field of fire, I will be putting rounds downrange, especially in a furball. The theory for this is that if its not dead, it still has the potential to kill me.
There is no "kill stealing" per se, only finishing off the job correctly. If one makes a career out of chasing halfway disabled planes to finish the kill that is entirely different. Especially if it becomes a habit.
If you can get to the con before me and your gunnery is superior to mine (which unfortunately for me is most of the time), than you deserve the kill. Kudos to you, with all sincerity.
I think the only time I am irked is when I am in a clearly slower aircraft (Hurri, etc), about to acquire a guns solution and just as I squeeze off a few rounds, some yahoo in a faster plane swoops in to shoot at the con I was chasing. Guess which plane the rounds hit? Guess who winds up in the tower? Something about friendly fire........
Not to be a troll here myself, but why edit the video? We all know how to FF and rewind. And, why embarrass the guy twice. Even the convoluted, and backasswards U.S. justice system has rules about double jeopardy.
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Originally posted by VonMessa
I've seen Lute, VansCrew, SkyRock, Fester, SCCA , and many others, kill completely on the first pass, henceforth making a "kill steal" un-possible to use the words of another one-shot/one kill guy (Lusche)
You didn't happen to record it did you? It happens so infrequently, I would like to see it again :)
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It's possible:lol
With the DJ business and all, I have almost 2 TB (no not GB but TB) of storage for all of my munsic, video, karaoke, etc. I use the AH computer for almost nothing else except AH2. Once I get a bunch, I put them on the "library" computer. but sometimes the filenames clash (i.e. AHFILM76). In my haste to make room, they often get a random keystoke (kujygi) for a name. I can usually track them by date though. I do try to get rid of some, though, such as me farting around in the tower for 20+ min. trying to figure out how I'[m gonna die next.:aok
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I was jamming along in a 152 about 5K above a furball over a field being attacked, a lone spitfire came plodding up was still at autoclimb speed.. just dipped my nose and plugged him.. ripped his wing off..
watched him spiral down..
it was kinda funny watching 4 or 5 green cons dart out of the school to chew on my leftovers..
so many of them took a pop that even though they blew him up I still got the kill.. so all was good.
and humorous to boot.. reminded me of feeding fish.
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yo, k ya im the bob hes talkin bout,um i clearly saw sinner blow the guy apart, he was going down, and jones came in and i clearly saw tracers,jones is a nice guy, but we both told him mulitiple times and he kept saying i didnt shoot at all, but i saw those tracers, and so did everyone else there
-BigBOBCH
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Sinner you do realize that as a result of this about 1/3 of your "fellow countrymen" are gonna swoop your cripples just to get a rise out of you:D
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Holy Jebus I ain't heard a bunch of women argue like this without a highheel being thrown or a purse being slung....
Lighten up Ladies, It's a game.
I had Squadies that would steal my kills and laff at me in doing so just to see if I got pissssed.
It's just a "Game" Girls.
:p
Mac
*stealin kills since Tour #26*
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Not stealing a squaddie kills is grounds for being bounced from the BKs ... hence my signature.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Holy Jebus I ain't heard a bunch of women argue like this without a highheel being thrown or a purse being slung....
Lighten up Ladies, It's a game.
I had Squadies that would steal my kills and laff at me in doing so just to see if I got pissssed.
It's just a "Game" Girls.
:p
Mac
*stealin kills since Tour #26*
won't throw hi heels........do you know how dam expensive they are??????? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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All I got outa this threa is how much Cap1 and redman555 remind me of Warlie-locks. It's downright eerie. `Cause man, I sure don't believe multiple accounts exist in AH. :D
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I prob. hear "Ha Ha! I stole lute's kill" 4-5 tims a night from my squad.
Granted, I do the same to them so it works out.
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Originally posted by Arlo
All I got outa this threa is how much Cap1 and redman555 remind me of Warlie-locks. It's downright eerie. `Cause man, I sure don't believe multiple accounts exist in AH. :D
ok..that's it........look out for my hi heels commin at ya!!!! wait'll you see the size of the holes they make in your planes!!!:rofl :rofl
and THEN i'm gonna send ya a bill for the new ones!!
so........nyanyanya!!!!:D :D
:noid
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Originally posted by AWMac
Holy Jebus I ain't heard a bunch of women argue like this without a highheel being thrown or a purse being slung....
Lighten up Ladies, It's a game.
I had Squadies that would steal my kills and laff at me in doing so just to see if I got pissssed.
It's just a "Game" Girls.
:p
Mac
*stealin kills since Tour #26*
Ditto....Quit the fraking whinning.
JUGMAN