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Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: leitwolf on November 03, 2007, 05:27:34 PM
Incoming Whine
Has the B-Pony been changed? It's just a shade of it's former self.

It can't turn anymore, flaps don't really help and it feels heavy and sluggish.

It's nowhere near the D-Pony in overall capability. Okay, it never was but it used to be a lot better than now. Especially in the "precision" and handling department it was better than the D.

Is it just me? :(
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: DoNKeY on November 03, 2007, 06:26:33 PM
Not sure, but I know there was/is a big ol' discussin about how the pony's flaps should make for a tighter/faster turn.


donkey
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Widewing on November 04, 2007, 09:19:14 AM
Various threads have addressed this...

Thread 1 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185075&perpage=40&pagenumber=3)


Thread 2 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=212818)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: splitatom on November 04, 2007, 03:50:44 PM
i cinda noticed it it doesnt turn with the ok turners like it used to it is still beter than a 190
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Angus on November 05, 2007, 12:23:38 PM
It should outturn a 190 with 1 notch (190a8), but as of older times, I remember taking some 10 circles in a Spit XIV vs a P51D before seeing I was making some progress. And that's not quite...right IMHO.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: leitwolf on November 05, 2007, 12:42:06 PM
Thanks Widewing.. the voice of reason :)

I didnt remember those threads, interesting read (again). I don't fly the -B very often and as such, it comes as a nasty surprise not being able to turn with a Lala (or even a light Jug..).

In earlier days of AH2, it used to be able to hang with a La7 long enough to panic most La drivers and force them into something stupid. Eventually, the Lala (at MA combat alt) will prevail, but not without a fight. These days there's no contest.

Ok, that is last year's news but the question is: is the new P-51 correct? :huh
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Bronk on November 05, 2007, 03:39:17 PM
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Originally posted by Angus
It should outturn a 190 with 1 notch (190a8), but as of older times, I remember taking some 10 circles in a Spit XIV vs a P51D before seeing I was making some progress. And that's not quite...right IMHO.

What direction?

Because if it was a left hander, that torque monster was fighting you.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: SteveBailey on November 05, 2007, 10:31:15 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
What direction?

Because if it was a left hander, that torque monster was fighting you.

Yup the pony turns better to the left.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Makoyouidiot on November 06, 2007, 10:52:26 AM
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Originally posted by leitwolf
Thanks Widewing.. the voice of reason :)

I didnt remember those threads, interesting read (again). I don't fly the -B very often and as such, it comes as a nasty surprise not being able to turn with a Lala (or even a light Jug..).

In earlier days of AH2, it used to be able to hang with a La7 long enough to panic most La drivers and force them into something stupid. Eventually, the Lala (at MA combat alt) will prevail, but not without a fight. These days there's no contest.

Ok, that is last year's news but the question is: is the new P-51 correct? :huh


Dunno what the problem is. I can still outfight anything with it. :)
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: SteveBailey on November 07, 2007, 01:49:52 AM
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Originally posted by Makoyouidiot
Dunno what the problem is. I can still outfight anything with it. :)



in a 51?
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Bronk on November 07, 2007, 09:03:23 AM
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Originally posted by Makoyouidiot
Dunno what the problem is. I can still outfight anything with it. :)


Try Widewing in an F6F there hotshot.;)
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Stang on November 07, 2007, 11:24:13 AM
The 51's flaps are bugged like the 38's were, but not quite to the same extreme.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Angus on November 07, 2007, 01:06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
What direction?

Because if it was a left hander, that torque monster was fighting you.


I belive it was to the right. Haven't flown the XIV in a while, but I remember the engagement. I actually jumped the 51 shortly after takeoff from a deacked field. If I recall right, I shot him down, and it was BTW some good stick. Can't remember who though. "Papy" perhaps...
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Makoyouidiot on November 07, 2007, 01:45:27 PM
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
in a 51?


Quite so.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Makoyouidiot on November 07, 2007, 01:45:59 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Try Widewing in an F6F there hotshot.;)


If he so desires.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Widewing on November 07, 2007, 06:09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Makoyouidiot
If he so desires.


I won't be flying tonight, my daughter had her baby a few days ago and I'm off to the hospital in a few minutes. However, I'll be in the TA tomorrow evening until about 11 PM Eastern and I have a 3v1 clinic scheduled for Friday evening at 9 PM. So, stop in and you can have at me with a P-51 if you wish. Or you can fly in the clinic and be lone ranger or part of the three-man team. There's no egos in these events, just an opportunity for players to work on SA, anti-horde skills and team work. These clinics are about the most fun you can have in the TA.

I'll probably start Friday with a P-47D-25 or a P-38J. Eventually, I'll take an F6F when the mob all switches to Spits, Zeros and Ki-84s. We'll be at A100, VOX 104. Stop by and join the fun.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: SteveBailey on November 07, 2007, 07:08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Makoyouidiot
Quite so.


Hmm I'd like to see this, maybe I can learn a thing or two.. do you have some time for DA?
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Oldman731 on November 07, 2007, 09:05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing
I won't be flying tonight, my daughter had her baby a few days ago and I'm off to the hospital in a few minutes.

Congrats, grandpa.

- oldman (heh heh heh)
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Widewing on November 07, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Congrats, grandpa.

- oldman (heh heh heh)


Thanks.. Baby girl... First grandchild for us... Mother and stinkpot should go home tomorrow...

My regards,

Widewing
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Makoyouidiot on November 08, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
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Originally posted by Widewing
I won't be flying tonight, my daughter had her baby a few days ago and I'm off to the hospital in a few minutes. However, I'll be in the TA tomorrow evening until about 11 PM Eastern and I have a 3v1 clinic scheduled for Friday evening at 9 PM. So, stop in and you can have at me with a P-51 if you wish. Or you can fly in the clinic and be lone ranger or part of the three-man team. There's no egos in these events, just an opportunity for players to work on SA, anti-horde skills and team work. These clinics are about the most fun you can have in the TA.

I'll probably start Friday with a P-47D-25 or a P-38J. Eventually, I'll take an F6F when the mob all switches to Spits, Zeros and Ki-84s. We'll be at A100, VOX 104. Stop by and join the fun.

My regards,

Widewing


Gratz on the grankid!
I might show for the clinic...depends on work. ugh.
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Makoyouidiot on November 08, 2007, 11:07:19 AM
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Hmm I'd like to see this, maybe I can learn a thing or two.. do you have some time for DA?


If you can catch me while I'm on...my schedule's kinda hectic these days, between college, work, and AH :)
Title: P-51B dogfight capability..
Post by: Twolf2 on November 08, 2007, 01:12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing
Thanks.. Baby girl... First grandchild for us... Mother and stinkpot should go home tomorrow...

My regards,

Widewing



Congrats to you all. I trust Mother and daughter are doing well. You don't start slowing down now Grandpa!!!!