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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Mus51 on November 04, 2007, 06:32:37 PM
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Hey guys, first time im skinning, i think it looks pretty well!
353rd Fighter Group / 352nd Fighter Squadron
44-14495
P-51D
Pilot: Lt. Frank H Jr.
I've seen a couple of pictures/artworks of this plane. A few with the invasion stripes and yellow tail like it has here, and a couple with only 1 black stripe over the wing and over the tail.
I choose for the invasion stripes/yellow tail because i like it much better.
Although all pony slots are full, i will submit it, and maybe i'l get in some sort of que (at least i hope so).
http://www.durnanavart.com/f51.htm
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/353rdfg.php?action=list_records&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=All#tabletop
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9456/353rx4.jpg)
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8056/353detailsri5.jpg)
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/541/353totaljp3.jpg)
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That almost looks too good for AHII. Outstanding work.
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Very nice work! The only thing I can suggest is to do a search on the font "AmarilloUSAF" - download it and use it for your squad ID letters and serial numbers. Its the authentic font.
Also, you might want to check the font, size and placement of your noseart. And I'm not sure they kept the upper surface DDay wing stripes after they removed them from the top rear fuselage. In fact both your image and mine show the wing DDay stripes completely removed from upper and lower wing surface. Beautiful skin, though. Real attractive scheme for a '51. Nice choice.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd148/tjlaven/p51r_dallasdoll_764_486.jpg)
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What's this about all pony skin slots being filled? Is there a certain number of in game skins allowed?
Oh, and how about doing this one, do you like it at all?
Iwo Jima 47th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group
(http://ipmsstockholm.org/photos/profile_mustang_15.gif)
donkey
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
What's this about all pony skin slots being filled? Is there a certain number of in game skins allowed?
donkey
..only 15 skins per plane:(
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flipping sweet!
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Only Mus51 can make a pony skin like dat, you fricking pony junkie, wtg!:aok
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Is this a "copy and paste" like your Jumpin Jaques Skin you made?
Or is it all by hand..if it's the latter, it looks great.
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
What's this about all pony skin slots being filled? Is there a certain number of in game skins allowed?
Oh, and how about doing this one, do you like it at all?
Iwo Jima 47th Fighter Squadron, 15th Fighter Group
(http://ipmsstockholm.org/photos/profile_mustang_15.gif)
donkey
we had little butch it was done by warhound but was cut last skin release
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No! NOOOO! (In Eric Cartman voice). So how long between each rotation, and how is it determined which skins make the cut? By HTC, popular vote? If its HTC, do they just use the ones they like, or which they feel are most crucial historically wise, etc?
And yeah, I know the skin was in the game at one point, (after seeing it in a squaddies film ((which is why I wanted it)) but then couldn't figure out why it wasn't in game.
Thanks for the info anyways.
donkey
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Originally posted by MotleyCH
Is this a "copy and paste" like your Jumpin Jaques Skin you made?
Or is it all by hand..if it's the latter, it looks great.
MotleyCH - This is my first ever paint, i never did a "jumpin Jacques" paint. U must have been confusing me with someone else. I did this one all by hand.
But thank you :)
oboe - i will check that fond, the one i used here is the famous "Coca-Cola" font :).
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Hows it going MUS? This is AATalon if you didn't pay attention bud:)
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Oboe, i just checked the amarillo font, but i've been stupid and saved the skin merged and not in layers, this could be a long time untill i could replace the squad markings and noseart.
This is the picture btw with the invasion stripes:
(http://www.geocities.com/johnvan52/PLA.jpg)
DaDonkey i've seen that pony skin u posted on ah-skins.com, better check that.
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OK before you get to far. If the D-Day stripes are on top of the wings, they're on top of the fuselage.
They came off the top of wing and fuselage at same time.
Below the wings came off before below the fuselage as well.
Don't go by someone's painting or profiles too unless you've got photos to go with it.
Note there are no D-Day stripes under the wing. This is Fall 44 when only the fuselage stripes remained under the star and bar. Note the white of the stripes has bee 'grayed' out too. Codes and ID bands are in black not blue.
Also note that your serial number is too low on the tail and the black ID band too wide. Not trying to be mean about it btw, just know that folks want them to look as good as possible :)
Oh and for what it's worth. The 353rd didn't transition to Mustangs so they never would have had a fully D-Day striped Mustang ever. They should not have wing stripes underneath as well as they were off by the time the 353rd transitioned. Half fuselage stripes is the most a 353rd Mustang would have
(http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery/353g/sx-i.jpg)
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Originally posted by TwinBoom
we had little butch it was done by warhound but was cut last skin release
It was'nt Lil' Butch cut last rotation. It was Red Dog from 4th FG. Think Lil' Butch might have been before the P-51's 3d model was updated.
Regards,
Hammer
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Originally posted by Mus51
Oboe, i just checked the amarillo font, but i've been stupid and saved the skin merged and not in layers, this could be a long time untill i could replace the squad markings and noseart.
Ah, I've done the same thing and learned my lesson the hard way. This is such a beauty its worth the effort, though. One of the nicest first skins I've seen.
And listen to Guppy's advice - I don't think there's a better or more knowledgeable skinner's reference anywhere.
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Gonna be a bit pickier too.
Looking closer at your screenshots. The rudder was not yellow at that point. While the black ETO band was on the tail the rudders were silver. When they went to squadron color rudders the ID band came off.
Your ETO bands on the horizontal tail look a tad thin and too far out on the tail.
And finally it appears your yellow and black checks are too big and not enough.
Look at this shot of the nose of 353rd CO Glen Duncan's bird. You can count the number of squares and where they fit on the nose for the first three rows.
Also note how the black stripes fit on the spinner a bit differently then yours
The CO's kite tended to be the most by the book with markings.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/353nose.jpg)
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Thanks for the heads up Guppy! I'm changing it the hard way u discribed it, and i will repost it when ready.
BTW, im going to have a HARD time merging those checkerboards again lol.
And thanks oboe!
EDIT: is it just me or does it look WAY more better with the yellow tail/ invasion stripes?
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It's just you :)
Gotta be true to the history.
Knew I had this in my stuff somewhere. Took me a while to find it.
Note that the profile's anti-glare is way too green. But it does show the layout of the ID bands better. There is a single kill marking below the canopy btw
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DDoll.jpg)
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I like the single stripe on the wings better.
PS: So how does a skin get into the MA selections?
donkey
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Originally posted by Mus51
MotleyCH - This is my first ever paint, i never did a "jumpin Jacques" paint. U must have been confusing me with someone else. I did this one all by hand.
But thank you :)
oboe - i will check that fond, the one i used here is the famous "Coca-Cola" font :).
Oh..I thought you did this one, also?
LINK (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214075)
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Could you upload your finished skin on the Ah-skin site, that way we can download it while waiting for its acceptance
http://www.ah-skins.com/
BTW I think its a great skin.
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Id hit it. :aok
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I think the painting with the full invasion stripes on the wing and the blue ID recognition bands is very nice looking. So did the artist, I guess, which is why he took such artistic license in his depiction.
Better to be true to history though.
btw, you can lift the "Dallas Doll" nose art right out of Guppy's posting and start with that for your nose art, rather than trying to find a similar font.
Interesting that it's on both sides of the nose, I think.
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Just to say it one more time.
There was NEVER a 353rd FG P51 Mustang with full invasion stripes. They were flying Jugs until September 44.
Full Invasion stripes were carried into early July 44 when they came off the uppper wing and fuselage on all Allied birds. By September they came off the underwing of the 8th AF birds. You can still find them on 9th AF birds after this under the wings, but they were ground attack birds so it made more sense.
Dallas Doll never had wing invasion stripes, no matter what the artist thought.
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Originally posted by MotleyCH
Oh..I thought you did this one, also?
LINK (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214075)
Motley, thats MusP51, a guy with a simular kind of name, i've seen him a couple of times in H2H but thats not me. Seems he also digs p51's like i do :)
Thanks for the heads up gubby, will look into it this weekend! :aok
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Originally posted by Mus51
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Thanks for the heads up gubby, will look into it this weekend! :aok
:D he said "Gubby" ! :D
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Wups! was at school, had to type fast, sorry about that Guppy :), im redoing the skin right now, il post screen shots when its near finnished.
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Guppy, thanks so much for all these pictures, and especially that 3D kind of photo. It took me 15 minutes to create this
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/478/dallasdollsg7.jpg)
Its far from done still, but it looks like i got the basis on the skin, i gotta work on the merge's and get some shadow/dirt on it.
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Its nearing finish, some little changes to be made and then its ready for use.
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1258/ddoll1qf7.jpg)
(http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/176/ddoll2xg7.jpg)
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9789/ddoll3py7.jpg)
(http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7485/ddoll4fh3.jpg)
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4684/ddoll5od7.jpg)
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love it MUS :aok
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I'm begining to wonder how many pony skins is too many :lol
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By far the best pony skin Ive ever seen, sir. Absolutely beautiful. Might make even me climb into the pony.
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Thanks! without the help of Guppy it wouldnt look like this.
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Originally posted by Mus51
Motley, thats MusP51, a guy with a simular kind of name, i've seen him a couple of times in H2H but thats not me. Seems he also digs p51's like i do :)
Thanks for the heads up gubby, will look into it this weekend! :aok
Sorry then:o
It's looking great:aok
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Dang that is a fine looking skin, Mus! Your wind-streaked dirt/oil/grime really add to the detail, and the metal texture and shading looks right on.
The only other thing I can suggest is to check the placement of the "Dallas Doll" noseart on the right side of the fuselage. According to Guppy's detailed profile, the last part of the name should end up right under the last exhaust stack - yours looks too far back on the fuselage. I'd be tempted to duplicate that layer to give it a bit more definition, too, but that's entirely subjective.
This one should find its way into the game pretty quickly!
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Hey Oboe, i found that out yesterday myself to, its finally done!
(http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/9205/ddoll4pc0.jpg)
(http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6131/ddoll3dg2.jpg)
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Very nice Mus :aok
I still say the Camo pony skin is the best :D .
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All Fencer's skins are good! ;)
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Wow Mus51, that is a fantastic looking skin.
Check out the muzzle exhaust stains - they look like they are all slightly offset to the gun muzzles.
This skin looks more like the work of a master, not a beginner. Congratulations! Looking forward to a my first flight in this baby.
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oboe, posts like those make me smile :). Thank you
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That skin looks amazing, since it is evidently your first one, that is incredible.
You need to rework your gun smoke.
The nose colors are unusually bright for the wear and darkness of the rest of the plane.
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Thanks Fencer, i submitted it already so i will keep that in mind for my next skin.
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Originally posted by Mus51
Hey guys, first time im skinning, i think it looks pretty well!
353rd Fighter Group / 352nd Fighter Squadron
44-14495
P-51D
Pilot: Lt. Frank H Jr.
I've seen a couple of pictures/artworks of this plane. A few with the invasion stripes and yellow tail like it has here, and a couple with only 1 black stripe over the wing and over the tail.
I choose for the invasion stripes/yellow tail because i like it much better.
Although all pony slots are full, i will submit it, and maybe i'l get in some sort of que (at least i hope so).
http://www.durnanavart.com/f51.htm
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/353rdfg.php?action=list_records&sort_order=ASC&order_by=Squ&recs=All#tabletop
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9456/353rx4.jpg)
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8056/353detailsri5.jpg)
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/541/353totaljp3.jpg)
Yes please submit it, we're hoping it gets in somday as well.
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Originally posted by Shifty
Yes please submit it, we're hoping it gets in somday as well.
I was wondering when you'd show up :)
Slybirds still getting up to speed I see. That or you're slipping in your old age Shifty :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I was wondering when you'd show up :)
Slybirds still getting up to speed I see. That or you're slipping in your old age Shifty :)
Not slipping as much as hardly having time to read the BBS anymore.:)
Then again, yes I am fast embracing slipping age.:aok
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Slybirds are more focused on their flying than reading the AH Enquirer :)
Mus51 let me know this skin was coming, so I had to stop by and check it out. I have to say it looks excellent! Well done and I'm looking forward to flying a sortie with you in this skin Mus51 .
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Hey Thebug, unfortunately, its been denied because all pony slots are full still, i cant tell you when its in. Right now im working on a 353rd skin on the jug D40. Glad you like it.
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Hey Mus, to clarify, are you saying you got an email from HTC stating your 353rd P-51D skin has been denied because all slots for 51D skins are full?
I would've guessed they'd accept it and either replace an inferior skin, or one that is from a FG that has multiple skins represented, or that has been in game a long time. I didn't think HTC would close the door on further skins for a plane when the 15 skin limit was reached.
:confused:
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this is what i got from Skuzzy:
Do not be fooled by the name. It was not uncommon for planes in the
same squadron and flight groups to have radically different paint
schemes.
Right now, I am not aware of any duplicate skins in the P51 listings.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mus51"
To: "Roy Neese"
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: 55FG/343FS P51 skin
Hey, I found that out myself but for some reason i think we could change
a few of the duplicate skins we have (2 357th and 2 2ACG 's) if possible
Thanks for the time looking into tho Mus51
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Neese"
To: "Mus51"
Subject: Re: 55FG/343FS P51 skin
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:31:22 -0600
P51 skins are all full right now, but I do manage to swap in a skin
occasionally when no squads are using them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mus51"
To:"Roy Neese"
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: 55FG/343FS P51 skin
Hi there, I finished a new P51 skin and i hope it can be put in the
game
sometime. With kindest regards Mus51
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Hmm, cool to see that they keep track of skin usage - I've always wondered about that.
Are the P-51B skins full? Maybe you could do a 353rd P-51B. Since there really is a 353rd FG squad in AH, it'd be nice to let them have a skin...
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Just to say it one more time.
There was NEVER a 353rd FG P51 Mustang with full invasion stripes. They were flying Jugs until September 44.
This split tail pilot speaks the truth.:D
Thanks for the thought Oboe, but the 353rd went straight to the P-51D when they transitioned from Jugs in Sept 44.:)
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Originally posted by Shifty
This split tail pilot speaks the truth.:D
Thanks for the thought Oboe, but the 353rd went straight to the P-51D when they transitioned from Jugs in Sept 44.:)
Wrong Oh Shifty one! :)
There's a beautiful P51C Mustang that was a combat 353rd bird as late as May 45. I have profiles and photos at home. Malcom hood, 108 gallon tanks etc. It would look great in AH.
I'll post em when I get home. It's a beaut. Might be a shot of it on Little Friends too. Just checked. Two photos of it.
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353
P-51C 42-103363 SX-M "Lucky Leaky II".
Go for it Oboe! :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Wrong Oh Shifty one! :)
There's a beautiful P51C Mustang that was a combat 353rd bird as late as May 45. I have profiles and photos at home. Malcom hood, 108 gallon tanks etc. It would look great in AH.
I'll post em when I get home. It's a beaut. Might be a shot of it on Little Friends too. Just checked. Two photos of it.
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353
P-51C 42-103363 SX-M "Lucky Leaky II".
Go for it Oboe! :)
Dibs on the P-51B "Lucky Leaky II" :) unless Oboe wants it.
I have also started "Dove of Peace" as Shifty and TheBug had asked I do a 51D for them but I needed to wait until a few real life things settled down after DGS.
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I would like to give it a try also..
EDIT: i will stop skinning "Little Midget" then Fencer, since you are working on another 353rd FG paint.
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Thanks for the thoughts guys but I'm still working on a few P-38 skins - have a few Ls to finish up -hopefully during Christmas vacation.
I would like to do a few '47 and '51 skins sometime down the road, but it'll be a while. Please, you guys with '51 skin experience, go for it!
I think my DGS 474thFG P-38J bumped a skin out - weren't the J's slots full? Or was there still one slot open?
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Hmm,
I knew they had Bs and Cs assigned, I've never read of them flying combat, only as training and hack aircraft. I've got the printout from Little Friends will serial numbers.
Yes Fencer We'd love to have you still do a Dove of Peace P-51D. There was also a P-47D Bubbletop Dove of Peace. We'd really love to see a razorback and bubbletop' of P-47s and P-51s if any of you skilled skinners want to do them.
Fencer has first dibs of course. One thing I've noticed the P-47s had a black and gold diamond patteren, the P-51s a black and gold checkerboard patteren. Except for the P-47 Dove of peace which had the checkerboards like a P-51. I'll see if I can dig up the pic.
Thanks for all the info guys. Guppy, you and Oboe are okay for a couple of split tail drivers.:aok
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Do any of you guys know of a problem with the 8th AF Little Friends site. I keep getting an error messege when i try to visit it.
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Its having problems. I found a P-51D for the 353rd I want to check out, but I can do it from home via books.
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This was the one I was referring to Ken. Look at the polish on that OD wing and tail.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Prudence.jpg)
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Yeah I've got pics of her. Including one in formation with some other 51s.
Wish we had proof on Janie. Its shown in a profile in AotA #51 "Down to Earth - Strafing Aces of the Eighth Air Force".
Worked on DTT last night and LL2
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Hey Fencer, please post some pictures when its nearly done :).