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Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on November 05, 2007, 12:41:06 AM
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Time to start designing the DGS patch.
Fencer, seems based no the banners done for DGS that you've got lots of graphics. You want to go for a patch design?
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I may take a stab at this one, and offer up a design for consideration.
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Originally posted by Brooke
Time to start designing the DGS patch.
Fencer, seems based no the banners done for DGS that you've got lots of graphics. You want to go for a patch design?
I will see what I can come up with this week if I get a chance.
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Hello, all.
We should get some patch designs rolling, so if folks have ideas and are willing to post them here, let's give it a go. If we can get some designs posted and see what people think.
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Brooke,
You might use this opportunity to mention the patch fund and how to contribute to it.
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How about a B17 silhouette through a german Revi sight?
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You mean like the JG300 emblem? I had the same thought.
Something like.... this?
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/dgs_patch1f.jpg)
If you want to tinker, here's the zipped .PSD file:
http://www.nakatomitower.com/dgs_patch1f.zip
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Nice Job there Krusty!
Regards,
Subway
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That bomber in the LW sights must be me from frame 4.
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Mod. B?
Maybe add map outline of Germany behind the bomber and make the B17 drawing from an angle where it is easier to recognize?
Maybe old idea but small "balkenkreuz" and US roundel to the opposite sides of patch between the text lines too?
I'm not sure of the idea of the sight being a Revi, maybe gives too much emphasis on targeting the B17. With such a neutral sight you are free to interpret it either way -the target being the bombers OR the country.
But I already like the first draft.
-C+
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Originally posted by Charge
I'm not sure of the idea of the sight being a Revi, maybe gives too much emphasis on targeting the B17. With such a neutral sight you are free to interpret it either way -the target being the bombers OR the country.
That's what I was thinkin'.
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Try it out for yourselves! The PSD file has the blue, the crosshairs, and the bomber all on different layers. Just sandwich whatever you want between the blue and the crosshairs.
I like the JG300 emblem, because 190A8s carried it, and the 190A8s played a big role (apparently, I missed it all), and yet the emblem still symbolizes the heart of what took place in the event.
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Long time no see Krusty! Sorry you had to missed DGS was a lot of fun wish you could of been there with us.
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Does this look to photo realistic?
(http://www.mrmidi.net/images/AH/dgs_patch1m.jpg)
midi
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I would think "yes," because they work with solid colors, and you can only have so many colors total. You can trace the outline and draw your own B-17 based on that image, and that might work.
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Would this be better?
(http://www.mrmidi.net/images/AH/dgs_patch1m2.jpg)
Or if this is not close to what ya'll are looking for I can leave it alone
and let the pro's handle it...;)
Just thought I would give it a shot..
Midi
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That last one more closely resembles the view the Axis had, that's for sure!
I like it, maybe some color text, but I like it alot.
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Ok how about red Letters..?
(http://www.mrmidi.net/images/AH/dgs_patch1m3.jpg)
Midi
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Looks good, but i'd add some more colour.
Perhaps add sky blue for the background in the sight area, but keep the text background as it is?
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Added the Blue Sky back drop as well as some Flak bursts.
(http://www.mrmidi.net/images/AH/dgs_patch1m4.jpg)
Midi
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:aok I like it Mid!
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very nice :aok
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I suggest taking out the flak bursts and taking out some of the smaller aircraft. Patches sometimes have trouble with smaller features looking right (unless you are OK with just a generic airplane shape).
For example, I'm having a lot of problems with getting the airplanes to look OK in Husky patch design -- that is what is taking so long to deal with.
The patch is looking good, by the way! I like both ideas (multiple planes and one big one).
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Remove the flak and the smaller AC, leaving a 3 bomber formation in the crosshairs?
Hmm, I like that :)
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Originally posted by ROC
Remove the flak and the smaller AC, leaving a 3 bomber formation in the crosshairs?
Hmm, I like that :)
Roc, Check PM's!!
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When designing patches remember that AH patches are sewn, not printed, which gives certain restrictions to detailing but it also makes them quite unique.
Eg. the angle of the bomber in midi's design is good because the outlines are nearly horizontal and vertical giving a clear shape when sewn. It is possible however that the smaller bombers may have their engines sewn too close together making it look rather odd. If the plane will have more oblique angles it may have to be bigger to give it enough detail to be recognizable.
I think 3 is a good number of planes and maybe of slightly different sizes.
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PS.Maybe one version with map outlines of Germany behind bombers? Only outlines because if it is filled with some colour the colour is also sewn on patch which somewhat reduces the accuracy of objects sewn on top of that surface. That would probably also translate to one guideline: If you are going to make small details on patch make them on base colour of the patch so any other sewing under the details will not distort them. Although I'm not sure if the makers are enthusiastic about making patterns on the base colour only...
Edt. One nice base for B-17, more oblique angles but he angle is nice: http://sill-www.army.mil/Graphics/aircraft/b17.jpg
Found this too, sry a bit OT: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mharneyma/image/b17sunf.jpg
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Not to change the subject to much ---- ehat ever happened to the "OP HUSKY" patches?
loboxx :)
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Check the Op Husky Patch thread a few notches downstairs.
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loboxx,
I thought ROC was losing it for a minute when he said,
"Check the Op Husky Patch thread a few notches downstairs.",
then I remembered it had been a while...had to open up the threads from 45 days ago to get it to show, but you've probably already figured that out.
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I just updated status on the Husky patch.
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So, what's the status of DGS patches? The scenario itself was THE best scenario I have flown in.
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Well the patches done so far do not represent both sides of the event. I have had numerous PMs about this fact, but people seem unable to voice their own concerns here so I guess I just have for them.
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Fencer,
do you care to elaborate on the matter?
Any logo or sign or patch can never include everyone's experience of any event. It is always a compromise. At best it can communicate the general nature of the event, a location, some forces involved, some example of planes or equipment used or some sample of action in focus.
What would be your reciepe for a patch suitable for those numerous people contacting you? You know, the patch should be as simple as possible. If you fill it with small details, nothing will stand out an the whole will turn out as a mess.
Why are they contacting you anyways??? Why aren't those numerous people voicing their concerns here? Confused.... :huh
IMHO the idea in the DGS patch is valid, some details and colors could be developed further though. The text is pretty tightly packed for example, and flak bursts are too numerous and small. Maybe leave one or 2 planes away, remove transparency in the gun sight, add more contrast between the gray and light blue areas... something like that.
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Because I seem to be the "goto" person for the Allies on the scenario for some reason. Go figure.
The comments, which have come in dribs and drabs over weeks, resolve around the fact the patch soley consists of a B-17 in a German Gunsight. I assume putting burning factories or 109s in K-14 gunsights would not be greeted well by the Luftwaffe players, can't say I blame either viewpoint.
I guess they want something suitable to show both side's view of the event, not the LW experience only. Can't say I disagree with them, I had sort of blown the comments off as I could personally go without being involved in this as I have been involved in the whole darn thing from day one on every conceiveable level. Others need to contribute and I have had it with the drama on the whole event.
I have voiced their concerns and I am done with it. Either take these comments and adjust or not.
Good Luck with it.
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Did this in about 20 minutes. Yes I know it's a 109E, but I used a profile I did myself just to illustrate it. And yes the 51B is backwards. again I used a profile i did and flipped it just to illustrate the point.
I was the 38 GL in DGS so I'm not picking favorites, but our CO was also the 4th FG co and the 109 is still the better known LW fighter as is the 17 as a bomber.
Can't please everyone but I think it's simple and to the point without taking sides. The battle between the LW fighters and Allied Fighters with the bombers as the center piece.
I figure some of the good graphics guys might get the idea and run with it. Doesn't favor either side.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch.jpg)
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OK a redo
Just the black outlines of the fighters too.
You get the idea
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch-1.jpg)
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Ok,
so the original suggestions do not show the part of the allied fighter pilots :) If you wanted it to show what actually happened in the frames, yes you could sketch one with allied bombers and fighters flying together in beautiful formation without any axis in sight.... and yes, some great flaming factories in the background :rofl
However, that is not what the scenario "Der Grosse Schlag" was about. That could represent just about any bomb run during the late war. DGS was about LW's attempt to form a huge counterattack against the bombers, does that ring a bell? Shouldn't the design in that light picture a huge LW formation? ;)
LOL, I never heard any LW fighter pilot complaining about the BoB patch that their 109s and their escorting action were not shown. Not even any Allied pilot complained about the missing Spits and Hurricanes.
I suggest a simple excercise: Answer in one sentence, what made DGS different from other fights of that time? What was DGS about? Then tell how it could be pictured as simply as possible so that it could be recognized without any additional text. Or if you are up to it, draw one.
And Fencer, please, send those numerous guys here to voice their opinions. The scenario is long gone and so are its chains of command ;) Otherwise it only sounds like you are trying to add more weight to your own opinion...
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Guppy's proposal has some merits, e.g. I like the stronger colors, but I am pretty sure Brooke will tell you that planes that small will not be recognizable. All the black stuff in the middle will instead form a swastika which is missing the top left peg. :rolleyes:
Also, consider if you replaced e.g. the ami planes and symbol with soviet ones. What event would it symbolize?
Or if you replaced the LW side with Japanese, what would be the event?
IMHO, this is a pretty generic show of some Am. escorted bomber action against Germans.
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(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/dgs/DGS_smalls.jpg)
With any logos it is often quite useful to check them out in a smaller size. What are the details that will still be distinguishable? Which ones will become meaningless? etc.
On these ones we can see how on the right the fighter planes are difficult to recognize and how the blue color is too dark. On the left the flak bursts get mixed up with smaller bombers.
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Originally posted by BlauK
And Fencer, please, send those numerous guys here to voice their opinions. The scenario is long gone and so are its chains of command ;) Otherwise it only sounds like you are trying to add more weight to your own opinion...
Sorry good leadership has lasting effects.
I understand what you are saying. Which is why I had held off saying anything. And why I tried to get you to understand I don't really don't want to be part of the decision process. Yet if I wanted to reflect my own opinion I would do the bloody patch as Brooke asked me too. My opinion on a patch should not need more emphasis. I designed the scenario.
Hopefully some of them will post. I have deleted the comments as my PM box keeps filling up for some reason. :rolleyes:
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Maybe you should give it a go... like you kind of implied over 3 months ago ;)
It would be kind of interesting to see your patch reflect what you thought DGS was about.
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Originally posted by BlauK
Maybe you should give it a go... like you kind of implied over 3 months ago ;)
It would be kind of interesting to see your patch reflect what you thought DGS was about.
Yeah I thought I would as a favor to Brooke, but I had work intervene and was burned out on the whole scenario scene.
As I said, I think it best if someone else handles it.
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Originally posted by BlauK
(http://koti.welho.com/skukkone/kuvia/dgs/DGS_smalls.jpg)
With any logos it is often quite useful to check them out in a smaller size. What are the details that will still be distinguishable? Which ones will become meaningless? etc.
On these ones we can see how on the right the fighter planes are difficult to recognize and how the blue color is too dark. On the left the flak bursts get mixed up with smaller bombers.
The blue represents the blue on the star and bar while obviously the red represents the background on a German flag of the time with the aircraft markings.
I wouldn't change the blue for that reason on what I suggested. I suppose the fighters could just be the noses and cockpits entering in to the patch like I did in the first one but just black like the second. They'd be a bit bigger then.
What is the size of the actual patch?
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About 3 inches.
Try making the planes white instead of black. It's too close to the blue.
EDIT: Nope, that won't work. How about making them grey/silver?
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Perhaps the patch should have just one huge P51 in it so 'Fencer's guys' would be happy with it? :)
Like the Rangoon '42 patch here:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/rangoon42/pics/rangoonPatchScan.jpg)
One of the best scenario patches ever, imho.
But hey, how can that be? I was flying a Zero in that scenario and I can't find one from the patch :eek:
Anyway, I'd remove the flak bursts from the original DGS patch proposal. The second proposal has better colors in it, but the black plane silhouettes can't really be seen. The patch would be better without them.
I'd like to see a third proposal coming right from 'Fencer's guys' and see what they have in their mind. Speak now or remain silent forever ;)
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Have, the way it was described to me, the entire background of the patch is the hinomaru (spelling?) so it does incorporate both sides :)
I agree, however. You don't have to include everything on a patch. It has to capture the feel and intent of the event, not the specifics.
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I have come forward to testify that I am one of the people that PMed Fencer about the patch. I contacted him 1) because I seen where he was going to try and work on one, 2) because I flew with him and he was our CO and 3) the PM was asking what program he used to design the patches. In the PM I also voiced my opinion about not liking the current DGS patch.
I'll try and make it short, but I'd like to explain the reasoning for my negative opinion. I joined AHII because of the scenarios and after reading one of Brooke's write-ups, with his description and pictures. This is my first flight sim, but have always had interest in them and WWII planes. I enjoy the play of the 'MA' but enjoy more the emersion of the scenarios. I did fly for the Allies in DGS, but that is not why I don't like the patch. I just don't feel that it shows what the whole scenario was about. I understand that it's hard to put a lot on a 3" patch...I've tried designing one myself and failed....but the initial design, I feel, doesn't show enough. The patch could have everything Allied going up in flames, but it would appeal to me more if it at least had something to show that there were escort /attack planes. Maybe even a bomber (whichever) with an Axis plane shooting him to pieces with a smoking p51 in the background. Showing that the Axis won should definelty be shown, as they did a great job, but I think the initial design just doesn't show enough.
Again, I know that it's hard to fit a lot on a 3" patch, and also that I didn't submit a design (because I wouldn't vote for the ones that I tried to come up with), but just a little more of who was involved would be more of what I would like to see.
When PMing Fencer, from what I can remember, he answered my question as to what program he used to design the patches and didn't comment on the initial design. He mentioned that he had intended on doing one, but other things came up.
This is my opinion and my opinion only. I'm not hear to make enemys, but only friends. If the initial design is the patch of DGS, then so be it. It will not change the fun I had flying in it or any decisions I have on flying in the ones to come. DGS was my first scenario and I enjoyed getting shot down each time that I did and would bet big money that I will get shot down many more times. It was a blast flying with the Allies and against the Axis as I'm sure it was a blast flying with the Axis and against the Allies.
to you all.
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Hedworx,
it is always good to have opinions and wishes. There can be discussion only if there are people voicing their opinions ;)
IMHO, it would not be necessary to show in any patch which side won a scenario. In some occasions the patches may be designed even before the frames are played. Also I would not see it very nice for the losing side (in any scenario) to underline the outcome in the patch design.
Like you yourself stated, it is extremely difficult to include all planes/actions/sides/etc in the patch design. Therefore it is always a guess and a compromise. At its best it reminds of the spirit or of the main theme of the scenario. Every participant will have their own individual memories of the actual fights.
IMHO, the allied escorts were not starring in this movie. They were the guest stars. The story behind this event is pretty clearly about LW fighters massing to carry out a decisive blow to stop the allied bombings. That is the story that makes this scenario distinguish it from any other scenario, right? ...regardless of its outcome.
The image of a bomber formation being targeted tells the main story in a pretty decent way, don't you think? I might actually suggest an image of 4 109s diving at a B-17 instead, as an even better representative of the story. I don't really know what a picture of an escort plane would add to the story, it was pretty usual that there were escorts, right?. However, I do feel that maybe an USAAF star and a LW balkenkreuz somewhere could add some feeling to it :)
Anyways, I hope the design process gets continued in which ever direction... wake up guys, don't leave in the half way ;)
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Small details will not work on sewn patches.
Guppy's idea is good but I'd remove the fighters and make the bomber slightly bigger.
-C+
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Since I'm not seeing any others.
Lets keep it simple and to the point. 4 colors, clearly defined sides, and bombers were the central focus
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch2.jpg)
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Scenerio -> Scenario ;)
What is the small red cross in 4 OC? Some accidental left over?
How about making the bomber fly eastwards instead of northwards?
If the blue remain dark, the plane may require a white/gray outline. And in order to make the in-plane detail lines visible, the whole plane could maybe be larger.
Like I said previously, the colors are nice, but actually I think the light gray/silver was nicer in the outer rim than white.
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Still I kind of shun the impression of (a) B-17(s) performing "The Great Blow". This could just as well, or better, imply Ruhr or some other story with bombing in the focus.
Or should the DGS story be more like "we bombed the targets despite the massing enemy"?
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But there was no 'great blow'. In the end it was the 'great whimper' as the LW effort changed nothing.
The blue is insignia blue from the star and bar of a US aircraft. The red cross bit on the LW insignia is leftover from the 109 profile I took it off of. There was that red cross right there. It's easily removed.
I went with the white in the rim as I believe these patches are sewn and it makes it only 4 colors which has to be simpler and cheaper then 5 :)
It's looking down on the bomber so it can be any direction. It would look lopsided to me if it was pointed to the right.
And this was really only meant as a slapped together quickly idea/example. Feel free to run with it and do it better :)
One more try.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch3.jpg)
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Nope Guppy, no thanks :) The one with the idea and insight should rather carry it out all the way.
And there actually never was any "Great Blow" because the plan was never realized. LW barely tested their theory on Nov 2nd and suffered big losses while being out-numbered by the allied escorts by almost 2:1. It was a hypothetical plan which was cancelled because Hitler rather sent the fighters to support a ground attack in the west.
DGS in AH was a what-if-scenario. But if you would rather design a "Great Whimper" patch, go ahead :D
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Originally posted by BlauK
Nope Guppy, no thanks :) The one with the idea and insight should rather carry it out all the way.
And there actually never was any "Great Blow" because the plan was never realized. LW barely tested their theory on Nov 2nd and suffered big losses while being out-numbered by the allied escorts by almost 2:1. It was a hypothetical plan which was cancelled because Hitler rather sent the fighters to support a ground attack in the west.
DGS in AH was a what-if-scenario. But if you would rather design a "Great Whimper" patch, go ahead :D
LOL I'm just trying to represent all sides. Frankly I could care less about the patch, but I thought I could find a middle ground. The hard part is you have a vision of what it should be, but want someone else to come up with it.
I don't see your vision so I have to go with mine.
Last two versions. Both 5 color with the silver. Again I only did it to try and jump start the thing. I've now put more time into it then I ever planned to :)
I still prefer the black 17
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch4.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch5.jpg)
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This is the one I want :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGS474.jpg)
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I appreciate your understanding that this was just my opinion and not me trying to come in here and whine because it doesn't depict 'ME' in the design.
The design that Guppy35 has come up with is more of what I imagined, with it showing one of the U.S. and one of the German colors. I like your idea of the plane flying east also as it shows it flying into German territory and is also the direction in which they flew to their targets in the scenario. I understand your point of not having escorts shown, but your ideal also of a 109 would make a nice addition....somehow added.
Sorry Guppy, but I would attempt one myself if I had some know how. I do have photoshop, but removing this from that and getting the diagonals to line up aggrivates me to where I give up. I and I'm sure many more appreciate your time in designing a patch.
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Guppy..... :rofl :rofl :rofl Now that's nice....
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Hello, all.
I like all of the various patch ideas, and I thank folks who took the time to make a graphic of their ideas. I truly appreciate it and am grateful.
With regard to some fine points of designs, the patches are 3 inches in diameter, and I have in the past run into some difficulty in getting plane shapes to turn out correctly if the planes are too small on that scale. Here are some examples and the reason why the Operation Husky patches have taken so long to get out (basically, going back and forth with the patch company to try to get the plane outlines to look reasonable).
This one looks like the C.205 has a bite taken out of the top:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/husky0.jpg)
This one also looks odd (with the P-40 looking somewhat ****-like, unfortunately):
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/husky2.jpg)
This one looks the least odd of the various attempts (there are more than I've shown above) and will likely be the one we go with. Looks decent:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/husky1.jpg)
When aircraft are larger (or the outline is less subject to small outline changes making a big impact on a person's perception, such as outlines from top or bottom vs. from the side), such as the following, things are easier to render nicely and to get produced:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2006/pics/bob06PatchScan200.jpg)
Here is an example of one where the planes are smaller, but it is an outline of the top (vs. the side). The planes are recognizable given the context, but intermediate in terms of outline fidelity taken alone out of context. Also, this one, too, took several iterations with the patch company to get the planes looking decent instead of goofy:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/downfall_2006/pics/downfallPatchScan200.jpg)
As a general rule, I think it's better to stick to planes that have wingspan or length of 1/2 a patch diameter or more; or if you are OK with some amount of generic look to them and are using top view and not side view, perhaps as low as 1/3 patch diameter. Anything less than that, and you're pushing it and must at least use generic airplane shapes; and it's a lot more hassle for me to get it produced (much more going back and forth on design with the patch company).
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Oh man, i never got the operation downfall one!! I was in the process of moving so i never got one!! :(
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Well you could always ask Roscoroo if he has any left....
Only... last time I ordered some I never got any..:noid
I'll have to ask him about that.
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I WANT IT! THis one is perfect! It personifies the event! :aok
Originally posted by Guppy35
OK a redo
Just the black outlines of the fighters too.
You get the idea
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch-1.jpg)
And I also want Operation Husky and the Rangoon one... Where do I send the cheque? PM me. Email me. Send the farggin cavalry!
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NO RANGOONS (thats why you didnt get any Krusty)
ive got everything else thats been produced .
still waiting for husky and dgs to get finished .
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I wasn't asking for Rangoons.
Check PMs or list an e-mail I can use, thanks!:D
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Is there a place that has the listing of all scenerio patches? Whether any are left or not is not what I'm looking for, but when a patch for a scenerio is approved as the final version.
Not only would it be nice to look at some of the previous scenerio patch work, but in some cases when one of my guys participate within the scenerio I would like to have a quick place to check if a pic (jpg, gif, etc.) of the final version is up and be able to download the pic so credit for the event can be givin to that person on our web sight?
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See the Brooke's Scenario Patches link in my sig...
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I feel so bad about this Patch, I dropped the Ball on this one and owe alot of people an appology, those reading this and know what I am talking about please accept my Sincere appologies.
After reading this thread, Just on the design, You Can't Imagine what it takes to accually create it....... I do!
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Have
Perhaps the patch should have just one huge P51 in it so 'Fencer's guys' would be happy with it? :)
Like the Rangoon '42 patch here:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/rangoon42/pics/rangoonPatchScan.jpg)
One of the best scenario patches ever, imho.
But hey, how can that be? I was flying a Zero in that scenario and I can't find one from the patch :eek:
Anyway, I'd remove the flak bursts from the original DGS patch proposal. The second proposal has better colors in it, but the black plane silhouettes can't really be seen. The patch would be better without them.
I'd like to see a third proposal coming right from 'Fencer's guys' and see what they have in their mind. Speak now or remain silent forever ;)
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Latest proposals from Guppy35 are quite good in my opinion. From those two I'd pick the lower one where the B17 silhouette is more clear.
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I'm rather apathetic about the DGS options. Even my initial idea isn't so hot.
They just don't seem to grab hold of you.
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...After reading this thread, Just on the design, You Can't Imagine what it takes to accually create it....... I do!
NUTTZ
Actually, yes I can. I did the same thing for my old squad the Pale Horses. Getting the design layout to work on a ball cap was a major pain. Then customizing each hat with the pilot name on back... well that was pretty easy. But the logo and stitch counts like to drove me crazy!
:rock
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Maj_Spotter/PH2.jpg)
I got the full art some where... But picture the above with a wrapping scroll on top "..Behold a Pale Horse.." and bottom scroll "WarBirds" yeah yeah it was for that other game... but man those hats went over great at our reunion with the Tuskeegees at MidAtlantic Air Musuem.
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Since Brooke, Roscoroo, NUTTZ, Guppy35, and many others have dedicated their time towards this patch and others, they really deserve the kudos for their work. There is no rush on my part just to get a patch. So far, every patch I have is a work of art, IMO. I know it will be right, at the right time.
Thanks again for all the effort you artists, organizers, and players do for the sake of the game.
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Great work Guppy on those latest proposals!
I like the one with black bomber. Somehow it looks more menacing and IMO works better on patch.
-C+
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Good news -- the Operation Husky patches are in.
Now it's time to move ahead with the patch process for Der Grosse Schlag.
We need to finalize the design, and we need to gather donations to fund the run (details on that are here:
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html ).
With regard to patch design, we have a couple by Mrmidi and Krusty and a couple by Guppy. Let's get an up-to-date feel for which designs folks are favoring so that we can pick out the current favorite and start fine tuning it.
The Mrmidi and Krusty designs:
(http://www.mrmidi.net/images/AH/dgs_patch1m.jpg)
(http://www.mrmidi.net/images/AH/dgs_patch1m4.jpg)
The Guppy designs:
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch4.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch5.jpg)
Let's hear which ones people are liking, and if you want other designs or have other ideas, please post other candidate designs here.
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I think the red/blue split background is too busy, and too dark. I like the simpler background color of the earlier design, just not what's in the forground. Perhaps some variation of the simpler center?
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Mine with the black 17. It shows two sides, doesn't ignore the LW or USAAF and points to the bombers as the center of the battle, whether they get there or they're stopped.
And I like a bit of color
But then again since i took the time, I'm biased :)
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I like the realistic B17 in the gun sight. Not because I was in a bomber either. For a change, I would like a realistic looking aircraft on my patch. We have several of the black aircraft silhouette patches already. Why continue that trend?
I flew an Zeke in the Rangoon scenario. Did I feel slighted, upset, or otherwise neglected because the Rangoon patch didn't have a Rising Sun or a Zero on it?? Heck no! It was a beautiful patch which I'm proud to have on my jacket because I PARTICIPATED. Heck, I don't even remember who won the thing or care. I generally remember a couple of things about each scenario and who I flew with... never about the points scored or who won.
Rangoon: Me all alone on the deck with very little ammo trying to get back to base and being jumped by 3 spitfires (I think)... shot down all three
Coral Sea: Finding enemy CV with my TBM squad while enemy planes were on the deck refueling (a Midway moment for sure)
Stalins Fourth: Getting stuck in the mud LOL
DGS: Trying to bomb targets totally covered in clouds
My point is, as far as showing equality to all sides, come on folks... it's about the experience, who cares if we see all models of planes which participated on every patch.
:salute
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Guppy's blackbomber. :aok
-C+
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I kinda like Guppy's black bomber as well. Krusty's first one looks real nice but somehow I don't think it would come out all that well in a patch.
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OK, Guppy's black-bomber patch is coming out ahead in the comments.
One suggestion. I was over Roscoroo's house the other week, and Mrs. Roo was looking over the patch candidates. She suggested a silver outline around the black bomber. Guppy, what do you think of that? It would separate the outline from the German cross.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/DGSPatch4.jpg)
Also, I think it will be much easier to make as a patch if the letters are solid (no breaks down middle of the letter). Could we get that modified and get a "TM" superscript on "Aces High"?
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Is the TM necessary, or is it just being polite towards HTC? I'm curious because sometimes it's hard to squeaze it in.
Consider you've got a background, a blue, a white on top of that blue, a red, a black on top of that red and a white on top of that black, then the black of the bomber on top of it all... Is a silver outline on the bomber even possible at this point?
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Is the TM necessary, or is it just being polite towards HTC? I'm curious because sometimes it's hard to squeaze it in.
Consider you've got a background, a blue, a white on top of that blue, a red, a black on top of that red and a white on top of that black, then the black of the bomber on top of it all... Is a silver outline on the bomber even possible at this point?
TM is perhaps not absolutely necessary, but I think it fits in OK.
An outline is definitely fine -- we aren't overrunning available colors of thread.
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TM is perhaps not absolutely necessary, but I think it fits in OK.
An outline is definitely fine -- we aren't overrunning available colors of thread.
I'll see what i can do to change it to what you are asking
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Guppy: Any new developments/ideas/versions?
P.S. Your avatar almost looks like Simon Cowwell.
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Howdy, all.
I'm going to start on the patch as in the previous pic. It looks good, and I need to get going on it before Rangoon, '42 runs.
I'll send out an e-mail and ask for donations, too, as the patch fund has about $40 in it currently.
The good news is that the DGS patch process will be finallys starting. :)
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Howdy, all.
I'm going to start on the patch as in the previous pic. It looks good, and I need to get going on it before Rangoon, '42 runs.
I'll send out an e-mail and ask for donations, too, as the patch fund has about $40 in it currently.
The good news is that the DGS patch process will be finally starting. :)
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Folks, the initial sewout of the Der Grosse Schlag patch is in.
Don't worry about the fact that it is out of round -- I'll get that taken care of.
The question I have isn't about that but about the following. They did the letters and inside circle border out of blue instead of black. However, it looks nice with blue. It think we should keep it as blue. What do folks here think of blue letters vs. black letters?
(http://electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/DGS_sewout_53365.jpg)
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What do folks here think of blue letters vs. black letters?
i like the blue letters because its a little contrast from the black boarder
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Blue looks nice, but I'm not picky. After reading a few posts up, I was wondering if there was going to be an outline added to the bomber or was it decided to be left off? Either way, I think it looks good. I'll be sending in my donation. :aok
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The patches are in, and they are beauties. Thanks, Guppy! They look better in real life than in this scan, even. The texture of the stitching makes it 3D-ish in a very nice way.
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200710_derGrosseSchlag/pics/dgsPatchScan300.jpg)
So, time to let Roscoroo know if you want one (roscoroo at hotmail.com). There are some folks who donated a lot toward this one -- you guys, please feel free to request however many patches of whatever sorts you would like. The ones still available are shown here:
http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/patches/patches.html
I'll send out an e-mail as well to the pilots of Der Grosse Schlag telling everyone that the patches are in.
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Wow! That did turn out nice :)
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Nice work gents.. :aok
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ok guys after having pneumonia and the nw crud ... ive gotten 98% of the patch orders in the post .(ran outta patches awaiting a resupply from Brooke )
I also added some regular scenario Guys that forgot to order. (Man it was a monster run)
I'd say this week end should be the soonest . but don't start screaming for at least 7-10 days . (oversea's will be longer)
if there's any screwup's feel free to email me and yell ... I'll make it right . ;)
Thanks for your patience <S>
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Roo did I ever PM you my info? I got so busy I cant remember.....
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Roo did I ever PM you my info? I got so busy I cant remember.....
no , but I sent you one anyhow .... (I've sorta got a master list )
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O well thank you very much. :)
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Wow! That did turn out nice :)
Yup, and I got it! :aok
Now if somebody'd only make a couple S.A.P.P. patches... **hint-hint**
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Got mine today! I like it. :aok
:salute
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Got mine a few days ago and it looks great! Fantastic work on the patch guys I really like it! :salute
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Arrived home from holiday a short while ago to find a DGS patch waiting for me! Thanks Rosco, looks great! :)