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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on November 07, 2007, 11:24:15 AM
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At first I thought this was ingenious as hell, and a good idea too....then I thought about the suck economy of Iraq and how even a non-combatan would be attracted to free weapons and explosives simply to sell the stuff for money to feed pie holes and such.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/25/africa/bait.php
Any thoughts?
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Yeah. So?
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This should be criminal
How many people in this country that saw a stack of anything worth money would not pick it up?
Reminds me of the line in full metal jacket
When the guy in the copter is shooting every one He say
We Shoot They Run, If They Run, They Are Insurgents
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i need some numbers, how many non-combatants have been killed and how many terrorists?
edit, full metal jacket was a anti war movie, don't believe every thing that comes out of hollywood.
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Any thoughts? [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, you are a couple of months out of date.
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Originally posted by Trell
This should be criminal
How many people in this country that saw a stack of anything worth money would not pick it up?
Reminds me of the line in full metal jacket
When the guy in the copter is shooting every one He say
We Shoot They Run, If They Run, They Are Insurgents
That's not even close to right.
It was more like, "If we shoot at them and they run, they are VC, if we shoot at them and they stay still, they are well disciplined VC."
Then
"You ever shoot any women and children?"
Door gunner says "yeah"
Joker then asks "how can you shoot women and children?"
The door gunner answers "Easy! You just don’t lead them as much HAHAHHAH"
"Aint war hell?"
Great lines, but I am sure mine are a bit off as well, but at least in the same ball park.
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so whats a couple of months. Try to keep your comments on topic.
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Originally posted by john9001
i need some numbers, how many non-combatants have been killed and how many terrorists?
edit, full metal jacket was a anti war movie, don't believe every thing that comes out of hollywood.
Yes i know.
But it sounds like they are getting the idea from it.
Shoot people that just pick something up off the street?
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If this program is so successful and moral, why don't they set it up in the US to catch criminals?
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
If this program is so successful and moral, why don't they set it up in the US to catch criminals?
In the UK, the police plant cars in crime hot spots which are attractive to criminals to break in to. Then arrest whoever breaks in to it.
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Originally posted by Yeager
so whats a couple of months. Try to keep your comments on topic.
OK, as long as you don't post redundant threads.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215960&highlight=sniper+bait
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Oh sorry, missed that. Oh well, get out of this thread I guess...if you have no value to add :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Furball
In the UK, the police plant cars in crime hot spots which are attractive to criminals to break in to. Then arrest whoever breaks in to it.
They do that here in North America as well. It's just in Iraq, instead of arresting the individuals they shoot them.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Oh sorry, missed that. Oh well, get out of this thread I guess...if you have no value to add :rolleyes:
That pretty much characterizes the original post of the thread.:huh
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"Akmhed, look! There's an RPG, some Ak-47's, and some C-4, just lying there in the middle of the street with a sign that say's: Anti-Infidel Kit, pick up to use against American's."
"By Allah, Mohammed, we could use this to wage our Jihad against the infidels, convienently placed not 50 yards from one of their accursed F.O.B.s, too."
"Or even better my friend, we could sell it off to help get food for the 400 other fighters of God to improve their strength."
"We will be heroes!"
These are of course similar terrorists(they can't be the same ones for obvious reasons) to the ones who in the middle of a night, 200 Ft. from a Bradley OP on idle, start digging a hole in the middle of a road to plant an IED, and after two are killed by the coax of the Bradley sitting 200 Ft. away idling its engine, a third resumes the work, to be shot 10 seconds after the Bradley radio's higher for permission to engage...
Yeah... Okay...
Bait is an okay idea, but I would discontinue it as a commander simply because optimistically you'll only be killing the dumb terrorists instead of the slightly dumb ones.
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That pretty much characterizes the original post of the thread.
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lost me there mav, care to elaborate?
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Years ago during the Northern Ireland troubles. Someone found weapons hidden in an old shed on their land. They dutifully reported it to the police. Later they were told to stay away from the shed and say nothing about it.
Meanwhile the British army staked out the shed, waiting for a terrorist to turn up. Eventually someone arrived. They opened fire. Their story was that the individual picked up a rifle, pointed it at them and refused to surrender.
In fact it turned out to be the teenage son of the person who found the guns in the first place. He had gone over to see if they guns were still there, out of teenage curiousity. The army shot him assuming he was an IRA man. The used the same method to kill a couple of unarmed IRA men previously.
But this time they killed an innocent boy.
You can easily envisage similar situations in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Oh sorry, missed that. Oh well, get out of this thread I guess...if you have no value to add :rolleyes:
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"Snipers are special people who are trained to shoot in a detached fashion, not to see their targets as human beings," said James Culp, one of Vela's lawyers.
That also applies to FBI snipers if I recall correctly.
I rank this type of behavior along with many of the stings run by law enforcement to get the "numbers", a lazy sloths way to get the job done.
shamus
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shamus is right, we should fight fair, but to be fair all the terrorists in Iraq should wear red vests so that no innocent civilians will be killed.
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Yup John..lets just shoot em all preemptively.
shamus
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I did see one tv show where marine snipers hid in a cammo covered hole in the ground and waited for someone to start digging on the side of the road to plant a device.. they shot em.
I am fine with that... I couldn't see any innocent reason to bury an explosive device on the side of the road.
lazs
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Originally posted by Furball
In the UK, the police plant cars in crime hot spots which are attractive to criminals to break in to. Then arrest whoever breaks in to it.
Breaks into it is the key.
Are they locking up the guns or are they just laying them out?
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well crap, let's just fix the whole problem... nuke the place, wait 60 or 70 years and repopulate it.
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Lol Half the time it is Lets Nuke them
The other half of the time it is that we are here to help them.
Well is it a war or a police action?
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We are policing up a war action.
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Originally posted by Trell
Lol Half the time it is Lets Nuke them
The other half of the time it is that we are here to help them.
Well is it a war or a police action?
sign up............then you can ask the ones that know.
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on the one hand i think its ingenious. But, as yeager pointed out what if some poor bloke is just trying to grab stuff to sell for money to feed his family?
I've had friends die over there, others who havent have told me things that makes this type of action understandable.
A very good friend of mine told me that shortly after getting to iraq his patrol was assaulted by insurgents, he personally came under direct fire (ill spare the full details) but he ended up squaring off with his attacker and was first to fire a clean shot killing the insurgent. Turn out it was a 15 or 16 yr old kid.
I asked him if that screwed with him, his answer was nope the lil pissant oscar%@$%^$#@!##$ had just blown off some innocent ladies head!
War is Hell and to win it ya gotta bring Hell with ya
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
War is Hell and to win it ya gotta bring Hell with ya
And you guys started this one. :aok
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I'd like "you guys" further defined, please. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'd like "you guys" further defined, please. :D
Brits and Aussies.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
on the one hand i think its ingenious. But, as yeager pointed out what if some poor bloke is just trying to grab stuff to sell for money to feed his family?
I've had friends die over there, others who havent have told me things that makes this type of action understandable.
A very good friend of mine told me that shortly after getting to iraq his patrol was assaulted by insurgents, he personally came under direct fire (ill spare the full details) but he ended up squaring off with his attacker and was first to fire a clean shot killing the insurgent. Turn out it was a 15 or 16 yr old kid.
I asked him if that screwed with him, his answer was nope the lil pissant oscar%@$%^$#@!##$ had just blown off some innocent ladies head!
War is Hell and to win it ya gotta bring Hell with ya
Ya know, a few years ago we used to refer to the "insurgent" as a slope, gook or a charlie , some things don't change.
The one constant is that we are in a place that the unwashed masses that live there don't want us in.
Now I understand that we know better than the the folks that live in Iraq, but guess what, we don't have the bellybutton to force the situation.
Watch the dollar guys, we cant support it through intimidation any longer.
shamus
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Originally posted by Yeager
That pretty much characterizes the original post of the thread.
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lost me there mav, care to elaborate?
Well lets see. You duplicated a previous thread. Added nothing new seeming to be content to be a troll with it. Do you not have anything else to do that you have to do reruns to get attention? You are starting to resemble beetle in this manner.
Did that make it clearer?
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whats wrong mav, you are being so mean to me. Are you constipated or something?
:cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
They do that here in North America as well. It's just in Iraq, instead of arresting the individuals they shoot them.
yea they do it in Canada too, but unfortanly no one ever told the Canadians about remote kill switches. :rofl
has some bad language in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kegLdHfUsoY