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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on November 07, 2007, 02:04:01 PM
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The day that really changed human history, whether you like it or not. It happened.
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what happened?
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Indoor plumbing in Moscow
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I'm guessing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
??
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Some kind of short lived, failed experiment in government?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Some kind of failed experiment in government?
Yup.
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Jan 10
Buffalo Bill Cody army scout and Indian fighter, dies.
Sad
Feb 5
Birth of Zsa Zsa Gabor [Zsa Sari], Budapest Hungary, actress (Queen of Outer Space).
W00T
April 20
Pravda (Lenin names Russia "Free land of world").
LMAO
May 2
Cincinnati's Fred Tooney and Chicago's Hippo Vaughn pitch duel no-hitter, Vaughn gives up 2 hits and a run in the 10th, so Cincinnati wins 1-0.
May 7
Red Sox Babe Ruth beats Washington Senator Walter Johnson, 1-0.
May 28
Birth of Papa John Creech rocker (Hot Tuna, Jefferson Airplane).
July 13
Vision of Virgin Mary appeared to children of Fatima, Portugal.
Aug 7
Squadron Commander E.H. Dunning dies. He was the first pilot to land his aircraft on a moving ship.
Oct 15
Mata Hari Dutch dancer/German spy executed by firing squad in Paris.
Oct 21
Birth of Dizzy Gillespie trumpeter, a creator of modern jazz.
Oct 26
Birth of Felix the Cat cartoon character.
Dec 15
Moldavian Republic declares independence from Russia.
Just a few things posted.
:)
Mac
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I believe that boroda is very much correct in that it changed history.. I believe that it proved just how bad socialism could become.. that it was, as mt says, a huge..... doomed to... fail, experiment.
The world is fortunate that it didn't last any longer.
lazs
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Happy October Revolution, Boroda!
I still have my commerative 1917-1977 October Revolution Radio Moscow QSL card in my collection (along with about 200 other countries confirmed on short wave).
68ROX
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Originally posted by Boroda
The day that really changed human history, whether you like it or not. It happened.
Nov 7
October Revolution (Oct 26 OS) in Russia, Lenin seizes power.
Pretty much after that it kinda went downhill for Russian Leaders... I mean the Common Cold, Dirges and such.
:p
Mac
A dirge is a somber song expressing mourning or grief, such as would be appropriate for performance at a funeral. The English word "dirge" is derived from the Latin "Dirige, Domine, Deus meus, in conspectu tuo viam meam."
But then again Latin is a DEAD Language.
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Sure changed History. Not sure it did much good though :(
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Just to play Devil's advocate here....why did Communism fail in the USSR but was/is successful in places like China and North Korea? (I'm not saying that it is economically/environmentally successful, but as in "the people have not risen up and overthrown the government" successful)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Just to play Devil's advocate here....why did Communism fail in the USSR but was/is successful in places like China and North Korea? (I'm not saying that it is economically/environmentally successful, but as in "the people have not risen up and overthrown the government" successful)
they got a late start... give it about 5 more years
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Just to play Devil's advocate here....why did Communism fail in the USSR but was/is successful in places like China and North Korea? (I'm not saying that it is economically/environmentally successful, but as in "the people have not risen up and overthrown the government" successful)
Probably because as a whole. The general population in both those countries is far less educated then in russia
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The birth of Felix the Cat is indeed a day that changed human history
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
but as in "the people have not risen up and overthrown the government" successful)
Those who live in FEAR just might live their lifetimes, their children's lifetimes, and grandchildren's lifetimes....in FEAR.
Those who want and love liberty and freedom will gladly give their own lives to achieve that for their children.
Freedom of assembly, freedom to bear arms, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to speak your own mind on a soapbox on a street corner....freedom to vote in secret for the candidate of your choice, freedom for that candidate to be a sick wacko and still run for office, freedom to plan your own future as an individual (sorry, run-on-sentance police).
For 230 years, I am proud my family fought for liberty and freedom.
To answer your question, Rip...."not YET".
11 down.....4 to go.
68ROX
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Probably because as a whole. The general population in both those countries is far less educated then in russia
Probably because,(comma) as a whole, (comma - resume sentence) the general population in both those countries are far less educated than in Russia.
(Couldn't resist the obvious - heh.) :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Just to play Devil's advocate here....why did Communism fail in the USSR but was/is successful in places like China and North Korea? (I'm not saying that it is economically/environmentally successful, but as in "the people have not risen up and overthrown the government" successful)
Not sure why you say it's been successful in North Korea... That place isn't run as a communist state by any stretch of the imagination. It's a dictatorship and the folks at the top say it's a communist paradise to explain why the general populace is so poor and miserable, has zero freedom, and can't own anything (it's for the common good you see?)
China... That's a different story and you have to realize that there are many Chinas right now. The country is divided into various regions, and they're all run a bit differently. Some cities are prosperous by western standards, and some are nearly as poverty stricken as Somalia (but better behaved, what with the lack of islam and male dominated culture of rape and racial hatred).
China wasn't organized on the soviet communist model, so although I'd call it a marginal success even though many of their recent gains in standard of living are the result of embracing free market concepts, it's not quite the same.
But North Korea... It's a bigger failure than the Soviet Union was. The NKs are just so dirt poor and hungry, they don't have the ability to pressure the Jonger into giving up power. The country is quite neatly divided into little pockets of poverty with almost no travel and little communication other than what the govt transmits. It's really quite pitiful but there isn't much we can do to help.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Probably because,(comma) as a whole, (comma - resume sentence) the general population in both those countries are far less educated than in Russia.
(Couldn't resist the obvious - heh.) :D
Evil, Arlo... Pure evil.
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The dark side is strong within this one. Soon he will beome a full-fledged neocon. - Darth Rush
:D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUCHVMRwsac
This is for Russian-speakers.
For foreigners:
Yegor Letov is a genius of some kind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egor_Letov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazhdanskaya_Oborona
"I see my Motherland is rising from her knees. Again."
"Snow and ice melt from our breath, land blossoms where we step"
"Sun calls us to follow it, to fight killing frost and deadly-black night"
"My mighty nation breaks the chain"
"I hear my great Soviet Nation singing"
This guy was a "dissident" under Soviet power, now he's a dissident too: a Communist.
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Dunno. If anyone qualifies for the term "neocommie" I reckon he does.
Here's a less confused dissident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie
:D
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Ah the celebration of Lenin and Stalin...the latter who killed more civilians than any other dictator, including Hitler.
Some say up to 9 million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Number_of_victims)
You let us know how that celebration goes.
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Those who live in FEAR just might live their lifetimes, their children's lifetimes, and grandchildren's lifetimes....in FEAR.
So how do you think the People could overthrow the Empire?...
You got arms you bear but you can't do anything.
All you get with your guns is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti
One of my GrandFathers was a son of a village blacksmith. Revolution gave him an opportunity. He was born in 1916, commanded Jet Mortars, retired in 1966 as a Colonel who served in East Germany storing nuclear warheads for our missile corps.
Revolution gave him everything he had in his life. Without Revolution he could probably become a village priest, if he was allowed to learn how to read.
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About 9 million dead people tend to disagree, Boroda
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Originally posted by Arlo
Here's a less confused dissident:
When you say 'less confused' does that mean he's a socialist? Or just 'commie light'?
:D
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Politics
Guthrie is frequently associated with left-ist or socialist politics. Conservatives frequently criticized the ostensibly communist leanings of Guthrie's work;
Ah, right from wikipedia, ...
:lol
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Originally posted by LePaul
About 9 million dead people tend to disagree, Boroda
Now, kids, look to the left, where you see a dummy of an anti-Communist propaganda victim. You can see that he's caught when frantically scratching the back of his head, trying to compute 27 millions and 100 millions and to subtract the result from 160 millions of USSR population in 1940-s.
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Anti-Communist? Dummy?
Its historical FACT you ideological moron!
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Originally posted by soda72
When you say 'less confused' does that mean he's a socialist? Or just 'commie light'?
What I mean when I say "Here's a less confused dissident." is "Here's a less confused dissident." Since you needed clarification.
What neoconservatives associate, infer or classify as "communist" is generally anything that ain't neoconservative. Which oft accounts for neoconservative confusion in thinking socialism is a form of communism.
:D
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Originally posted by LePaul
Anti-Communist? Dummy?
Its historical FACT you ideological moron!
I am trying to answer you in some polite way.
Sorry, human is weak. Just can't resist.
:rofl
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Yes ideological moron.
:D
Long Live Revolution!
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How about long live the change brought about by the revolution? ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
What I mean when I say "Here's a less confused dissident." is "Here's a less confused dissident." Since you needed clarification.
What neoconservatives associate, infer or classify as "communist" is generally anything that ain't neoconservative. Which oft accounts for neoconservative confusion in thinking socialism is a form of communism.
:D
I guess the confusion is socailism is not a form of communism, it's that communism is a form of socialism.
Source (http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm)
What is the difference between socialism and communism?
Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of socialism.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds (socialism).
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (communism).
This is from marxmail.org, who say that "The Marxism list is a worldwide moderated forum for activists and scholars in the Marxist tradition"
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I guess the confusion is socailism is not a form of communism, it's that communism is a form of socialism.
Pretty much.
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
This is from marxmail.org, who say that "The Marxism list is a worldwide moderated forum for activists and scholars in the Marxist tradition"
Of course adherants of Marxism believe that. Do you adhere to that? Does that make Arlo Guthrie a commie? :)
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(http://www.library.uiuc.edu/mortenson/images/stalin.jpg)
From the center of Moscow.
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OMG. Someone shot that statue dead! :D
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Need a Hand Up Comrade?
:p
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Originally posted by Arlo
OMG. Someone shot that statue dead! :D
Pidgeons, The Usual Suspects.
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by Arlo
Pretty much.
Of course adherants of Marxism believe that. Do you adhere to that? Does that make Arlo Guthrie a commie? :)
Who am I to tell marxists what they are? They should know.
I have insufficient data to describe Arlo Guthrie as anything other than a folk singer and a social activist.
One can be an advocate for social justice within the free market.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Who am I to tell marxists what they are? They should know.
"Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of socialism."
I'm sure there's plenty who aren't Marxists that contest the above statement, socialists included.
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I have insufficient data to describe Arlo Guthrie as anything other than a folk singer and a social activist.
One can be an advocate for social justice within the free market.
We obviously share that pov. :D
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Originally posted by Meatwad
The birth of Felix the Cat is indeed a day that changed human history
Dude...
I remember that show... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Arlo
Probably because,(comma) as a whole, (comma - resume sentence) the general population in both those countries are far less educated than in Russia.
(Couldn't resist the obvious - heh.) :D
And the next time I'm writing something where absolute punctuation and proper grammer actually matters.
I'll look you up ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And the next time I'm writing something where absolute punctuation and proper grammer actually matters. <---<<
I'll look you up ;)
I suppose the use of a period instead of a comma there was either a indignant protest or ironic humor.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And the next time I'm writing something where absolute punctuation and proper grammer actually matters.
I'll look you up ;)
Just thought that your commentary on education should look educated. Feel free. :D
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On a global scale, wouldn't you consider the 1st of September 1939 as a date that was bigger?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Just thought that your commentary on education should look educated. Feel free. :D
And I've seen doctors and college professors write some stuff that make my writing look like something John Gielgud would write.
Soo
vado fornicate vestri
LOL
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And I've seen doctors and college professors write some stuff that make my writing look like something John Gielgud would write.
Soo
vado fornicate vestri
LOL
This isn't writing. :aok
My point was that you didn't make your point very well.
Education has nothing to do with it, anyway, D-Doc. If you were better educated in history, you'd know that. :D