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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on November 08, 2007, 10:44:34 AM
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How about something that really matters.. The truly evil right wing nut jobs are trying to take away nudie books from our soldiers.
WASHINGTON -- Dozens of anti-pornography groups asked the U.S. Congress to force the Pentagon to keep sexually related material from being sold in military stores.
Pornographic material was banned from being sold in military establishments nearly 10 years ago, but Christian group American Family Association claimed that adult fare, including Penthouse and Playboy material, is still being sold in the stores, USA Today reported Monday.
The Pentagon deemed those materials aren't explicit enough to pull from its stores.
"They're saying 'we're not selling stuff that's sexually explicit' -- and we say it's pornography," Donald Wildmon, head of the American Family Association, told USA Today.
A letter-writing campaign launched Friday aimed to convince Congress to "get the Pentagon to obey the law," he added.
The Military Honor and Decency Act of 1996 is supposed to bar "sexually explicit material" from being sold in stores on military bases, the newspaper said. It defines porn as "the dominant theme of which depicts or describes nudity" or sexual activities "in a lascivious way."
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Banning grunts' access to pr0n is unconstitutional. Another reason to support Ron Paul.
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The difference is I bet the guys at the Pentagon are laughing at the Bible beaters trying to do this.
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Whoops, someone missed the point.
The argument goes... stuff sold at the PX or BX is discounted over what you would have to pay at Wal-Mart. That discount is tax-payer funded. The group doesn't feel their tax dollars should be used to subsidize porn.
This is actually a very old discussion, I havn't heard anything about it in about 5 years or so.
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Originally posted by Tiger
Whoops, someone missed the point.
The argument goes... stuff sold at the PX or BX is discounted over what you would have to pay at Wal-Mart.
From my experience I would have to disagree with that statement. I've shopped at Bx's and Px's, Wal-Mart is cheaper, Target is Cheaper, Fry's is cheaper... only thing you save on is you dont have to pay a sales tax... from my experience BX's were only good if there wasnt anyplace else to go...
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I have often wondered if the sexual revolution of the 1960s was a good thing or a bad thing, at least regarding the surge in sexual exploitation and predation of minors? I have further wondered if the internet and its zero down - no questions asked access to pornography has furthered the cause of western freedom or hindered it?
My own opinion is that sex is better off left behind closed doors with consenting adults, not on the internet or on grocery store magazine racks.
Thats just my opinion and I vote with it.
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Originally posted by Tiger
Whoops, someone missed the point.
The argument goes... stuff sold at the PX or BX is discounted over what you would have to pay at Wal-Mart. That discount is tax-payer funded. The group doesn't feel their tax dollars should be used to subsidize porn.
This is actually a very old discussion, I havn't heard anything about it in about 5 years or so.
you couldn't be more wrong.
THe difference is that you don't pay any taxes on stuff sold on base (except for Gasoline)
Stuff is actually cheaper at wal-mart beleive it or not.
AAFES and MCCS are actually private coorporations with a contract to run the base services. They make a regulated profit and have a HUGE amount of overhead to pay for. (somoene's gotta employ retired officers with no real job skills) It's not like it used to be. AAFES is only supposed to be cheaper than their local competators by 10%. If you are on a remote base like Edwards AFB where the nearest walleyworld is 50 miles away you have no competators.
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Anyone who thinks widespread sexual deviance (and that includes exploitation and pedophilia) doesn't date to any earlier than the 1960s needs to be beat mercilessly with a history book. :p
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Originally posted by Airscrew
From my experience I would have to disagree with that statement. I've shopped at Bx's and Px's, Wal-Mart is cheaper, Target is Cheaper, Fry's is cheaper... only thing you save on is you dont have to pay a sales tax... from my experience BX's were only good if there wasnt anyplace else to go...
Agreed. Any of the civilian discount merchants charge tax, and still beat their prices out. And furthermore, if AAFES know they're the only place around (such as in Iraq), their prices are probably close to double/triple of what they normally would be.
"... serving the best customers in the world... blah blah, blah" *rolling my eyes* whatever. They've perhaps convinced themselves that they're providing the best service to our service members. Just ain't the case.
They ain't selling Debbie Does Dallas for crying out loud.
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Bible thumbers.
After this gets passed, they will want to limit there internet access in the dorm, more bad pictures there! It was a bunch of crap when the nuts tried this in the early 80 and it is still a bunch of crap.
"Hey, of all the rights we have in America, let start by taking them from our greatest citizens first."
Next we'll take there ciger...... oh never mind.
God bless them and keep the safe. I hope they have a BIG beer, a smoke and some time off where ever they are.
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Originally posted by texasmom
Agreed. Any of the civilian discount merchants charge tax, and still beat their prices out. And furthermore, if AAFES know they're the only place around (such as in Iraq), their prices are probably close to double/triple of what they normally would be.
"... serving the best customers in the world... blah blah, blah" *rolling my eyes* whatever. They've perhaps convinced themselves that they're providing the best service to our service members. Just ain't the case.
They ain't selling Debbie Does Dallas for crying out loud.
Secretly wonders if texasmom's real name is Debbie. :t
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
They make a regulated profit and have a HUGE amount of overhead to pay for. (somoene's gotta employ retired officers with no real job skills)
Hadn't thought about the BX, this opens new horizons for me...I've been practicing "Paper or Plastic" and "whould you like to Biggie size that?"
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i read them for the articles.
:cool:
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Originally posted by crockett
How about something that really matters.. The truly evil right wing nut jobs are trying to take away nudie books from our soldiers.
Yeah next thing you know our soldiers in Iraq won't be able to get beer or Spam either.
I think banning Playboy from military stores is BS, but isn't tolerating a differing POV s'posed to be a lefty strength?
Is Playboy still printed? I thought it was all on line now.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Yeah next thing you know our soldiers in Iraq won't be able to get beer or Spam either.
I think banning Playboy from military stores is BS, but isn't tolerating a differing POV s'posed to be a lefty strength?
Is Playboy still printed? I thought it was all on line now.
Yea it's still printed.
As far as tolerating another POV. I'm all for it as long as their POV isn't trying to force it on others.
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The way i see it, if your over there getting your arnold shot at by random muslim extremist, you should have as much pr0n as you want. If a soldier asked me to buy a pr0no for him i might buy him five.
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Originally posted by crockett
As far as tolerating another POV. I'm all for it as long as their POV isn't trying to force it on others.
OK, so you practice tolerance only within tightly controlled and approved circumstances.
Is that common among enlightened lefties?
Being tolerant is hard work isn't it? ;)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
OK, so you practice tolerance only within tightly controlled and approved circumstances.
Is that common among enlightened lefties?
Being tolerant is hard work isn't it? ;)
Well first off it's the Religious goons whom are supposed to be tolerant of others. At least that's what the bible preaches. (btw not calling all religious people goons just the ones in this article)
Second I don't have to be tolerant of anything, however I choose to have tolerance in most cases unless they are trying to push something on me.
Add to that I have a very short tolerance for Religious people trying to push their agenda on me or other others without consent.
I could care less if they want to preach their message, or debate it on a forum or what ever as long as it's not forced on others. I have no issues about that, hover as soon as they cross the line of trying to impose their religious belief on my rights or others. Well that's when I become intolerant of them.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
OK, so you practice tolerance only within tightly controlled and approved circumstances.
Is that common among enlightened lefties?
Being tolerant is hard work isn't it? ;)
Ughh are you saying that lefties aren't tolerant?? :huh
Right wing conservative types are usually some the most hollier than thou, intolerant, arrogant, uncompassionate, missunderstanding, mofo's on the planet.
Hence these extreme right wing christian conservatives types. Who seem to forget the God they worship also is the same one that created sex.
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Originally posted by crockett
I could care less if they want to preach their message, or debate in on a forum. I have no issues about that, hover as soon as they cross the line of trying to impose their religious belief on my rights or others. Well that's when I become intolerant of them.
[pet peeve]If you could care less, than that means you must care some. Now if you couldn't care less, that means you care zero.[/pet peeve]
Doesn't complete secular society try to push it's views on the religious? Aren't tax dollars of some used to pay for programs that are directly opposed to deeply held religious views?
Before you make any assumptions, I am agnostic and do not hold a firm view on the subject of abortion.
Tolerance of others views is difficult: it is advanced citizenship.
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fact: when there is no porno.. no hookers..rape soars.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
[pet peeve]If you could care less, than that means you must care some. Now if you couldn't care less, that means you care zero.[/pet peeve]
Doesn't complete secular society try to push it's views on the religious? Aren't tax dollars of some used to pay for programs that are directly opposed to deeply held religious views?
Before you make any assumptions, I am agnostic and do not hold a firm view on the subject of abortion.
Tolerance of others views is difficult: it is advanced citizenship.
Careless means it doesn't bug me. Doesn't mean I wont debate with someone about religion or what ever and express my views. It doesn't mean that it bugs me that people go to church and believe in what ever they want. I'm happy for them if they found something that makes them happy.
Hell, I could really care less if the govt uses tax dollars for religious programs. None of it bugs me unless they are trying to force it on me or others with out our consent.
I've been through the whole religious stuff when I was a kid and teenager, it wasn't forced on me or shoved down my throat. I didn't have deeply religious parents that forced me to go to church every Sunday, but I did have my experiences with going to church as a kid. I also went to a private church school once in elementary school for 2 years and then in Junior high school for 2 years.
So I'm not the typical hate religious stuff because I had strict parents and want to rebel routine. I was just going down the wrong path in public school so my parents pulled me out and stuck me in private school.
Even then, I never bought in to it and knew it wasn't for me. I went along with the private schools, simply because I knew I was better off in that kind of school rather than in the public junior high schools in my area.
I'll never say religons don't have a place in society as I know in many cases they can do lots of good. However far too often religion is used as a tool to control people. Hence this particular case right here, they are trying to force their opinion and beliefs on others via the govt rule.
That is something I have zero tolerance for. Religious groups should just stick with preaching and teaching and stop all the fear mongering and trying to force others to believe what they do. If others want to hear their message they will listen.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Ughh are you saying that lefties aren't tolerant?? :huh
Right wing conservative types are usually some the most hollier than thou, intolerant, arrogant, uncompassionate, missunderstanding, mofo's on the planet.
Hence these extreme right wing christian conservatives types. Who seem to forget the God they worship also is the same one that created sex.
Lest we forget, the lefties invented PC, no one else.
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not sure this is a matter of tolerance at all. I have no problem with any adult reading anything he wants.
I think we are talking about a tax payer supported deal here.. if a large proportion of the tax payers do not want to fund a type of material then it should not be. The troops should be able to have the material sent to them or buy it other places.
I guess they could just get some from a muslim porn shop since muslims are so tolerant.
I find this pretty darn funny.. the lefties don't want to subsidize or have any mention of god because they are taxpayers but want to force others to pay for porn.
You can't have it both ways.
lazs
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Originally posted by crockett
Yea it's still printed.
As far as tolerating another POV. I'm all for it as long as their POV isn't trying to force it on others.
The Left (i.e. The Communists/Democrats/Socialists) ARE tolerant toward anybody who they can use to discredit those who stand for individual freedom and liberty, and will censor/smear all those that disagree with their socialist political agenda. For example the left has now politicisized the freakin' weather!!! It is the Left that won't tolerate anyone that disagrees...Read the news and you will see example afer example of this. As for opposing POVs... Take human caused "global warming" the greatest hoax in history: The left and their willing accomplices in the media ignore ANY data that is in conflict with their "scientific consensus" (remember that a few HUNDRED years ago scientific consensus was that the earth was FLAT and the center of the universe among other things). The real reason that our global mean temperature is rising is because it is SUPPOSED to because there is a larger amount of solar radiation reaching the planet from our VARIABLE sun. Real science has shown a corrisponding rise in the average mean surface temperature on Mars and some of Jupiter's moons, (due I'm certain to all the SUV's that George Bush, Dick Cheney and their pals at Halliburton have sent into space to discredit Mrs Clinton). This is hard scientific data from unimpeachable sources (except the blame Bush joke) that is completely ignored by the left because it contradicts their agenda. In conclusion: The left argues with slogans and talking points that will further their own power and continued privilage, The right argues with ideas.
Consider that alcohol and nude images might violate the SOFA agreement in Muslim countries and that there MIGHT be other factors at work behind a ban of printed porn in forward area PX/BX outlets. Also I love it when whacked out, tin foil hat wearing, tree hugging, pot smoking, commie flag waving lefties call me a right wing nut job or a religous goon, because it really shows who is intolerant and who isn't. The last time I checked Christians were NOT beheading homosexuals, just telling them that they disagreed with the practice on theological grounds.
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Originally posted by MajIssue
The Left (i.e. The Communists/Democrats/Socialists) ARE tolerant toward anybody who they can use to discredit those who stand for individual freedom and liberty, and will censor/smear all those that disagree with their socialist political agenda. For example the left has now politicisized the freakin' weather!!! It is the Left that won't tolerate anyone that disagrees...Read the news and you will see example afer example of this. As for opposing POVs... Take human caused "global warming" the greatest hoax in history: The left and their willing accomplices in the media ignore ANY data that is in conflict with their "scientific consensus" (remember that a few HUNDRED years ago scientific consensus was that the earth was FLAT and the center of the universe among other things). The real reason that our global mean temperature is rising is because it is SUPPOSED to because there is a larger amount of solar radiation reaching the planet from our VARIABLE sun. Real science has shown a corrisponding rise in the average mean surface temperature on Mars and some of Jupiter's moons, (due I'm certain to all the SUV's that George Bush, Dick Cheney and their pals at Halliburton have sent into space to discredit Mrs Clinton). This is hard scientific data from unimpeachable sources (except the blame Bush joke) that is completely ignored by the left because it contradicts their agenda. In conclusion: The left argues with slogans and talking points that will further their own power and continued privilage, The right argues with ideas.
Consider that alcohol and nude images might violate the SOFA agreement in Muslim countries and that there MIGHT be other factors at work behind a ban of printed porn in forward area PX/BX outlets. Also I love it when whacked out, tin foil hat wearing, tree hugging, pot smoking, commie flag waving lefties call me a right wing nut job or a religous goon, because it really shows who is intolerant and who isn't. The last time I checked Christians were NOT beheading homosexuals, just telling them that they disagreed with the practice on theological grounds.
Jesus it's amazing how twisted some of you are... Some of you seriously have some "MajIssues" when all you can do is try to link Democrats to commies and solicialist. You might as well start Hail Hitler and join the Nazi's that's about what your rambling sounds like.
Seriously you and the rest of the other "Neo Cons" on this board really need to go outside your houses a little more. The Evil Lefties aren't coming with the FEMA black helicopters to take away your guns. It's ok you can put the tin foil down you don't need a new hat.
oh and btw if you actually read the article you would have likely figured out that, this has to do with bases in the US not in Muslim countries..
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Originally posted by crockett
Jesus it's amazing how twisted some of you are... Some of you seriously have some "MajIssues" when all you can do is try to link Democrats to commies and solicialist. You might as well start Hail Hitler and join the Nazi's that's about what your rambling sounds like.
Seriously you and the rest of the other "Neo Cons" on this board really need to go outside your houses a little more. The Evil Lefties aren't coming with the FEMA black helicopters to take away your guns. It's ok you can put the tin foil down you don't need a new hat.
oh and btw if you actually read the article you would have likely figured out that, this has to do with bases in the US not in Muslim countries..
I'll tell you who is twisted... It is you and the Leftist/Socialist/Radical moonbat base of the Democratic Party spewing thier class envy/redistribution of wealth poison. You sir have made my point for me! Instead of a genuine and sincere discussion you resort to calling names and repeating the same old (neo-cons ) tired slogans. I hope this post puts you in good standing with Comerade Hillary and the rest of the Politburo.
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Originally posted by crockett
Jesus it's amazing how twisted some of you are... Some of you seriously have some "MajIssues" when all you can do is try to link Democrats to commies and solicialist. You might as well start Hail Hitler and join the Nazi's that's about what your rambling sounds like.
Seriously you and the rest of the other "Neo Cons" on this board really need to go outside your houses a little more. The Evil Lefties aren't coming with the FEMA black helicopters to take away your guns. It's ok you can put the tin foil down you don't need a new hat.
oh and btw if you actually read the article you would have likely figured out that, this has to do with bases in the US not in Muslim countries..
Too many people in this country traded in their American values for some irrational and dull "left" vs "right", "us" vs "them" creed. Anyone who does'nt fit the ideologically shaped opinion mold supplied by their party is obviously a foil headed whack job. Its easier that way, people can avoid responsible fact based arguments that might prove them to be ignorant & wrong.
Imagine how dull & insipid society would be if there were only 2 choices of clothing styles, 2 types of girls, 2 brands, models and colors of cars... or only 2 television shows. And almost everyone stuck to one or the other for no rational reason other than the jerkoffs on "other side" are a bunch of freaks who should be flogged in public and pelted with bags of flaming dog crap.
Yet people cling to only 2 opinions in the .gov like a Cuban refugee clutching an inner tube. Maybe one day the sheep will realize the grass on the left & right side of the pasture both taste like urine.