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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Chalenge on November 08, 2007, 01:31:30 PM
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Please make it so fleet admirals lose control if they go beyond vox range from the CVs. Too many times in the past and recently the one controlling the cv isnt paying attention or even at times any where near the fleet and it gets sunk.
Also it would be nice if when you load ordinance on a plane that is primarily a fighter that the sortie is AUTOMATICALLY put into attack mode. I can tell you how many times I have accidently shot m16s and flaks with my .50s only to discover that the kills dont count at all and the hit percentage drops like a P47 with a Yak in tow.
Not that I care... just saying...
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Also it would be nice if when you load ordinance on a plane that is primarily a fighter that the sortie is AUTOMATICALLY put into attack mode. I can tell you how many times I have accidently shot m16s and flaks with my .50s only to discover that the kills dont count at all and the hit percentage drops like a P47 with a Yak in tow.
So HTC has to be responsible for you not being able to click the mouse one time to set the run to attack? Good grief.
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So if you shoot gv's while in fighter mode the kills don't count? This I didn't realize...
(Of course, they are still just as "dead" (<- you know what I mean) as if you were in attack mode so it's probably not really all that important.)
This of course is ignoring the other issue, which is that strafing gv's with 50's - other than the meatwagon - doesn't do a heck of lot of "killing", although you do eventually get the kill credit when someone with a real gun does something other than rattle his tin can....
P.S. Just FYI, This should probably be in the wishlist forum.
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These suggestions and requests from discussions and solutions offered online. No Stang its not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.
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Originally posted by Stang
So HTC has to be responsible for you not being able to click the mouse one time to set the run to attack? Good grief.
Stang: You are rude to the core on this and so many other threads. If the forum had a squelch option so I never had to view your awful flaming text, I would use it immediately. If I were a moderator, you would have been banned from this forum long ago. Always insults and awful words from you.
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Actually there is a squelch function and thanks for making me look for it.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Actually there is a squelch function and thanks for making me look for it.
LOl you beat me to it, profile, at the bottom in small copy is "add this user to ignore list".
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Originally posted by whiteman
LOl you beat me to it, profile, at the bottom in small copy is "add this user to ignore list".
Thank you
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See Rule #4
guess i said something i shouldn't have.
Well anyway, I'm in on this squelch thing.
There are quite a few other people on these boards disliked for that type of behavior and I'd rather not hear from them. Thanks for the tip
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Oh, and here I've added them manually via the control panel (the two times I've squelched board members, that is).
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I fail to see the problem. Except that you must freak out when your score gets ruined because, again, someone who has played 40 hours this camp and obviously knows the game through and through, fails to click the mouse to set it to attack.
I think HTC probably has a lot bigger things to worry about than the maintenance of your precious score.
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Crap I clicked on the wrong base and took off. HT I need a mulligan.
:rolleyes: :D
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What about those of us that like to fly fighter sorties with ordnance hanging just in case we need to deal with pesky ack or gv's? HTC can keep mine on manual...
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S-T-A-N-G!
quit bullying the scorepotatos!:)
did ya got the PM i sent ya?
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Wooo Flyboy! Yeah got it was busy and forgot to respond though. Send ya one later.
:aok
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As few times as it happens to me it wont make a difference but it is irritating and flying with bombs in fighter mode doesnt make any sense at all so that argument is indefensible. As far as scoring goes I could do a lot better than escorting my squaddies in their bombers and flying the P51 is not the way to rank high so your full of hooey there. I score well just having fun. I think if I really wanted to rank higher the kids that are scoring well would be heartbroken. How much time I fly is a good point. Since you dont fly that often your opinion should count less.
You completely missed the request about the CVs.
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While I don't see the immediate harm in making one give up the CV when in flight, the bit about having HT change the coading to protect your score is just silly. Seriously, if score matters to you, and it apparently does, then you will go that extra mile and click the button. If it doesn't, you wouldn't be annoyed by "wasting" that sortie anyway, and there would be no request for that feature.
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Okay Ill explain this so you can understand why it was brought up since you seem so mesmerized by score. I assure you it is only your own 'imagination' that cause you to think I care about score. My score comes about just by being in the game. I am not even trying. It just happens. I dont vulch I dont fly from CVs and I dont bomb from a Stuka like the score potatos you admire so much. I do occasionally camp while waiting on guys to capture a field or shut down a VH. But this isnt about me. I posted this feature request because I really think the changes need to be made. So here is my explanation so even you long term 'experts' can understand it.
We have a new guy flying with us. Lets call him John Pilot Noob. John flies for a few days and discovers a squad to fly with during his trial period. The squad flies together and does fighter sweeps escorts their own bombers and do attack sorties. John is flying with them but he doesnt know about the fighter and attack buttons. Somehow he figures out how to load bombs. At first John sucks at bombing from a fighter. He augers a lot or drops short and then long but finally he gets to where he can hit his target. Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.
Score 0 Rank 5238.
Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.
Have a nice day!
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Okay Ill explain this so you can understand why it was brought up since you seem so mesmerized by score. I assure you it is only your own 'imagination' that cause you to think I care about score. My score comes about just by being in the game. I am not even trying. It just happens. I dont vulch I dont fly from CVs and I dont bomb from a Stuka like the score potatos you admire so much. I do occasionally camp while waiting on guys to capture a field or shut down a VH. But this isnt about me. I posted this feature request because I really think the changes need to be made. So here is my explanation so even you long term 'experts' can understand it.
We have a new guy flying with us. Lets call him John Pilot Noob. John flies for a few days and discovers a squad to fly with during his trial period. The squad flies together and does fighter sweeps escorts their own bombers and do attack sorties. John is flying with them but he doesnt know about the fighter and attack buttons. Somehow he figures out how to load bombs. At first John sucks at bombing from a fighter. He augers a lot or drops short and then long but finally he gets to where he can hit his target. Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.
Score 0 Rank 5238.
Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.
Have a nice day!
I suppose that John Pilot Noob cannot read and is a "by the seat of your pants" kinda guy?
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This might be the worst Idea ever? ....do you even bother thinking about what you are asking the program to do?
....every cycle the program has to determine who is in command?...then it has to figure out the range?? ....what a waste power
If you dont like how a CV group is being used...get some rank and take the CV from the person in command .....if you don't have the rank get someone you know who does have rank to do it for you ....better yet, get the Wizard of Oz to give you a brain!!
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Originally posted by Chalenge
........ Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.
Score 0 Rank 5238.
Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.
Have a nice day!
.......oh I get it !!! it is about score and rank ! :rolleyes:
whether you get "scores" for it or not a dead GV is STILL a dead GV so John Pilot Noob is doing a great job helping his squad, and is having fun.
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Originally posted by Helm
This might be the worst Idea ever? ....do you even bother thinking about what you are asking the program to do?
....every cycle the program has to determine who is in command?...then it has to figure out the range?? ....what a waste power
Actually, all that would have to happen is that the front end of the person in command would have to periodically check their distance from the CV, and relinquish control if they are too far away from it. You obviously have never programmed if you are worrying about the "load on the computer" - it would be utterly trivial.
I'd suggest that the range be longer than vox range - perhaps something more on the order of 25 to 50 miles. This allows the commander of the CV to participate in whatever events are taking place within the CV's general area without overly worrying about "dropping" control at a critical point - like just when the CV needs to turn because a bomber drop is immanent, because he "popped" just out of VOX range.
Beyond that though and I tend to agree that it's probably not ideal - in part because it opens it up for abuse - to allow someone completely across the map in remain in control of it.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Crap I clicked on the wrong base and took off. HT I need a mulligan.
:rolleyes: :D
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/lmao.gif)
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Not to discredit u chalange, but what your basicly asking hightech to do is take away the responsibity of the pilot.
It is the Pilot's responsiblity to make sure his load outs are right and proper mode is selected.
It is also the countrys responsibility to protect their cv, i can promise u a CV will not die when the right precautions are made with it attacks a field
one being man all guns, and destroy ordinace at that field, then have planes fly HIGH cap at a perimiter around the cv and nothing can touch it.
It is also the country responsibility to make sure the cv is operated corretcly, if i see someone operating it that is not doing a good job i take it from them.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion howeever u can see that knowone agrees with this idea, and for good reason, something things sound like a good idea until u get advice from others on it.
but neither of this is a good idea.
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I can promise you that any time I want to kill a cv and especially one that cant turn because the guy controlling it is 200 miles away that cv is going to die.
Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
and flying with bombs in fighter mode doesnt make any sense at all so that argument is indefensible.
That's just wrong. Here is a scenario. You are participating on a field assult, and being intercepted before reaching the target is likely. If you launch in attack mode, and have to drop ords due to being bounced, every piece of ord you dump will negatively affect your hit%, D/D, D/S. If you launch in fighter mode, dumped ord is unscored, and there are no negative effects on your score. However, if you make it to the target with ords, you are now in a position to help take down targets. You will not get scored for destroying objects and GVs with them, but there are no negative effects on your score either.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.
The solution already exists. If you don't like what the commander of a CV is doing, carry a rank so that you're able to take over command.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I can promise you that any time I want to kill a cv and especially one that cant turn because the guy controlling it is 200 miles away that cv is going to die.
Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.
PROBLEM - taking off in fighter mode when u want to attack gvs, boats, land targerts.
SOLUTION - correctly set up your load out and, spend 1 second to make sure u are on correct mode.
PROBLEM - CV controler does not command his post and gets out of range letting CV DIE
SOLUTION - Properly defend the CV, command it yourself, or post that it needs a commander
see this is my point challenge, I just gave u 2 very great solutions, it only took me a few minutes, and I saved HighTech a ton of man hours and money.
Boy now if only the govt would hire me to problem solve we would all get more taxes back LOL.
There is 2 sides to everything chalenge, and your solution to the problem u are having is by far the most difficult and time consuming one to apply.
and balive me, if my squad is over a cv defending it unless u come in at 30k u wont make it.
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Scenario: A whiner and the game is full of them cries to the one guy online and flying for your country that has more rank that the commander of a cv is going to get it killed. So the lower rank guy that is 200 miles away turns the cv away just as bombers come down from the stern and have a really easy job DIVE BOMBING the cv.
This will always happen because people of all opinions on how to use a cv will always be in the game and whether they have a clue as to shore batteries and bombers they want the cv close so they can shoot buildings or far away so it isnt even being used.
Concerning the fighter and attack settings I suggested the change because I believe it will make it more enjoyable for new people. After you have experience is the only time you will know about things like the likelihood of getting bounced and dropping ord and you can use your experience to determine the proper setting. It should be easier for the beginners (like auto-takeoff always being on by default after a first-time install) so they have more fun and stick around longer. Aces High is very frustrating at first and now that a few bad apples have ruined HTH we should do whatever we can to make the game more enjoyable and the frustration level as short as possible.
Warlockl I can assure you that a determined attacker will get past any defense that is tied to a fixed object like a CV. Any defense you can mount can be overcome by an organized attack. Im just trying to make that a little more difficult to acomplish because I do agree with the people that think that CV fights near a base are the most fun there is in the game. Its always a shame to see the battle end.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I can promise you that any time I want to kill a cv and especially one that cant turn because the guy controlling it is 200 miles away that cv is going to die.
Once again and you are making me repeat myself it is not a question of responsibility its a matter of problem and solution.
I can be flying a P-51 fully loaded on climout 200 miles away from a CV and still control it effectively.
What does the plane I am flying and its loadout have to do with this?
Nothing, neither does the distance I am from the CV.
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Your wrong about that. Your effectiveness is much higher if you are actually ON the cv. Anytime you load yourself up with more load like handling your plane or engaging enemies is less time to think about the cv. All it takes is a few seconds of distraction and the cv will be down.
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So the main problem here is twofold- you don't like the way people use CVs, and you want HT to protect your rank. These are your problems, not problems within the game.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Okay Ill explain this so you can understand why it was brought up since you seem so mesmerized by score. I assure you it is only your own 'imagination' that cause you to think I care about score. My score comes about just by being in the game. I am not even trying. It just happens. I dont vulch I dont fly from CVs and I dont bomb from a Stuka like the score potatos you admire so much. I do occasionally camp while waiting on guys to capture a field or shut down a VH. But this isnt about me. I posted this feature request because I really think the changes need to be made. So here is my explanation so even you long term 'experts' can understand it.
We have a new guy flying with us. Lets call him John Pilot Noob. John flies for a few days and discovers a squad to fly with during his trial period. The squad flies together and does fighter sweeps escorts their own bombers and do attack sorties. John is flying with them but he doesnt know about the fighter and attack buttons. Somehow he figures out how to load bombs. At first John sucks at bombing from a fighter. He augers a lot or drops short and then long but finally he gets to where he can hit his target. Then John reads in the text buffer one day that one of the squad guys he is flying with has a really really nice rank and now Noob learns about rank and score. He still hasnt managed to bring another plane down but he knows how to bomb and he knows he has killed tanks and hangars during all those attack missions and now he wants to see his score.
Score 0 Rank 5238.
Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing.
Have a nice day!
I would hope that John Pilot Noob's squadmates would have let him know that Alt F4 will automatically change his sortie to attack or fighter based on ordinance loadout.
Spazz
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Originally posted by Murdr
The solution already exists. If you don't like what the commander of a CV is doing, carry a rank so that you're able to take over command.
Murdr,
He can't because the game does not automatically account for his ordinance load and change his sortie from fighter to attack. Therefore none of his kills count and his rank is in the toilet. That is the problem. LOL
Spazz
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Hell, let's take the fighter/attack mode thing one step further:
If you up with ord it automatically switches to attack mode.
If you get jumped and get light, it automatically switches you (mid flight) to fighter mode.
And even further:
If you manage to make to to target, once you drop your bombs on target have the program calculate if your bombs will actually hit anything. If not, automatically switch your mode to fighter. :aok
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Now your just being ridiculous and not adding anything of substance to the thread. Thanks for coming by.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Now your just being ridiculous and not adding anything of substance to the thread. Thanks for coming by.
Pot, meet kettle.
(and it's you're)
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Originally posted by Chalenge
....Score 0 Rank 5238.
Now John Pilot Noob feels like this is a horrible joke on him and all his hard work has come to nothing......
This is gonna come across rude, but I dont mean it to be.
Some of the best leasons in life are the hardest learned.
From what you wrote, future greatest cartoon pilot ever John Pilot Noob, is doing the same thing most all of us did when we first started. You even explained in your post how he has progressed.
Now it seems to me that when he learned about rank and score, somebody had to teach or explain rank and score. I think somebody either left out a few minor details or somebody didnt listen. Maybe a case of both.
As you stated he is learning. Let him learn and go through the growing pains we all did. It can be a learning experiance for both you and him. He will learn to be more aware of how he would like to score his sorties and maybe have a little more focus to that small detail when the time comes he gets to help another John Pilot Noob upcomming ace cartoon pilot. You and others involved with his training can also learn to cover and see they understand that small detail.
Your request is somewhat pointless. It has some merit, but it comes across more like a knee jerk reaction. You ask for somebody else to fix your short commings that you yourself are capable of fixing. People learn when they fall they get up. There is no reason, in my mind anyway, for HTC to go spend time to make changes to something that aint really broke to begin with in order for somebody to be lazy and worry bout personal/ squad score. Being able to see how your progressing to some degree is helpful, but score just aint all that. On top of that HTC has great online reference link that can be found using the "Help" link under support on the main HTC page. In case you dont want to look it up I'll give ya the link:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?ahhelp/index.html
and here while we are on the subject, this link explains scoring:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/scoring.html
Great reference material. When somebody says RTFM, there is usualy a good reason that is based on their personal experiance. I have found if there is a crappy manual then people are either told more in depth things in game by others from what they themselves have learned from playing or a person is directed to a site that isnt ran by the game because somebody had to go make a better manual themsleves to makes up for the short commings of the game developer. HTC doesnt have that problem. They have a very well thought out and informative online help manual. So go there. Send John Pilot Noob or any of his other minions there. Providing they can understand what they are reading, it can do nothing but help them.
Tell John Pilot Noob, score is like a fine wine. It comes with age. Tell him to go have a good time and stop worrying bout score. If it happens to bothers you that his score being low, is lowering you squads over all score, let him out of the squad until his score comes up, while allowing him to fly with yall and learn the ropes. I'd like to think though that squad score wouldn't mean that much to somebody to have to do that. To each his own I guess.
Wolfy
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I can be flying a P-51 fully loaded on climout 200 miles away from a CV and still control it effectively
Effectively, perhaps. But I think the question is can you control it more effectively than someone who is right there, and can see what's happening or about to happen?
The question though that seems more germaine to me with respect to the game design is why should a person who is 200 miles away from the CV have more right than those who want to fly from it to control it in the first place?
I'm not lobbying to have things changed, but I can definitely see how a case could be made for doing so.
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Have you ever heard of a "pre-flight check"?
It's a bit easier here than in real life.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Since you dont fly that often your opinion should count less.
hmmm
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Have you ever heard of a "pre-flight check"?
It's a bit easier here than in real life.
I dont think he quit graspes the concept.
The game is already default for easy mode, anytime someone starts playing a game, they have to LEARN, u cant just nullify things for them to start flying around killing on the first day, anytime u start a game u make mistakes.
I guess next on the agenda is a automatic engine cut out to prevent compression.
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You know, on one of those planned country missions you sign up for on the Missions page, when you hit the runway, a window pops up asking if you want it scored as attack or fighter.
If wouldn't be that difficult for an ordnance load to trigger the same window.
And, it's impossible to disagree that persons nearer the carrier have a better idea about what's going on, especially if the radar is down.
Finally, you guys are criticizing Chalenge for being concerned with score; at the same time you're critcizing him for not having enough score to wrest control from high score Captain Quigg.
regards, T. E. Shaw
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Finally, you guys are criticizing Chalenge for being concerned with score; at the same time you're critcizing him for not having enough score to wrest control from high score Captain Quigg.
Ironic, isn't it?
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I did like what Donzo said about the switch mid-flight. I think Robert "Mouse" Shaw said (or quoted somoene else) that a plane carrying bombs or rockets was just a target and that only after the ordinance was dropped did that plane become a fighter. I think he stole it from George "Mouse" Preddy myself but it carries even more weight if so.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
How much time I fly is a good point. Since you dont fly that often your opinion should count less.
:lol
You've been here a little over a year. I don't think you should be the one to lecture me.
In the words of Ack-Ack, "You're dismissed, son."
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It doesnt look like you fly at all unless you fly under a different handle then you post under so is your only involvement on the BBS?
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You assume too much.
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/stang.jpg)
Oops, I requested data up to the wrong tour, oh well.
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Just for fun, here is mine. Note, this neglects the 100s of hours spent in TA and other arenas. This is only tracking scored sortie time.
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/murdrtime.jpg)
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I can see your point with the CVs.
The "community" solution is to contact a player with low rank - most of them will help you out in a heartbeat and remove AFK CV commanders.
The Attack sortie stuff isn't really an issue because it's your fault for not clicking the correct sortie type. Especially since you've been in the hangar and put bombs on your plane.
Oh and don't get in trouble with Stang - he might chalenge you to a virtual cartoon plane duel. ;)
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funny, I see Stang fly many times a week (if not every night)
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Originally posted by leitwolf
Oh and don't get in trouble with Stang - he might chalenge you to a virtual cartoon plane duel. ;)
I'm afraid he'd have to change his name from Chalenge to Owned.
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Originally posted by Stang
:lol
You've been here a little over a year. I don't think you should be the one to lecture me.
In the words of Ack-Ack, "You're dismissed, son."
Stang: You are rude to the core on this and so many other threads. If the forum had a squelch option so I never had to view your awful flaming text, I would use it immediately. If I were a moderator, you would have been banned from this forum long ago. Always insults and awful words from you.
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Originally posted by dedalos
If the forum had a squelch option so I never had to view your awful flaming text, I would use it immediately.
You are a member of this board for 4 years and do not know about the "ignore" feature???? :huh
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What's worse is he posted the exact same thing yesterday back on page one of this thread. On top of that, someone clued him into how to ignore someone and he thanked them.
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Um, you two, look at my sig. Much older than Dedalot's horrible attempt at stirring the pot.
:D
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:D
Stang ruinded again :rofl
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Originally posted by Donzo
What's worse is he posted the exact same thing yesterday back on page one of this thread. On top of that, someone clued him into how to ignore someone and he thanked them.
I is not teh bright one
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:D
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Originally posted by Stang
Um, you two, look at my sig. Much older than Dedalot's horrible attempt at stirring the pot.
:D
Doh! :eek:
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Originally posted by Stang
Um, you two, look at my sig. Much older than Dedalot's horrible attempt at stirring the pot.
:D
It made a couple discover the BBS squelch option though
:D
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
.......oh I get it !!! it is about score and rank ! :rolleyes:
whether you get "scores" for it or not a dead GV is STILL a dead GV so John Pilot Noob is doing a great job helping his squad, and is having fun.
Actually, i do remember when i would bomb a gv get the kill message and then never see the kill, was very frustrating, becuase i didn't know any better. rather then changeing it to attack, why don't they just list kills with bombs from a fighter under attack automatically without actually flying in attack mode. I think this would make everyone happy.
And don't even bust my stones or i will poke you in the eye:aok
Don
Also just a thought but do they still not track kills from the gunner position/ thats kinda silly too, they really should track all kills ,somewhere.
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Originally posted by Murdr
You assume too much.
(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/stang.jpg)
Oops, I requested data up to the wrong tour, oh well.
Stang does not exist in this tour unless he has another handle.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Stang does not exist in this tour unless he has another handle.
that graph shows Stang's hours from tour 30 through 72. So for those tours, he was there.
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He's there this tour. You are just not seeing him :)
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Stang does not exist in this tour unless he has another handle.
OMG!!! I did not exist until 22 hours ago, when UPS delivered my flight stick which was out for service for two weeks!!!
Dang! I answered all those questions on the BBS, spent hours in the TA, and a bit in the MA's, but failed to log a scored flight on my trainer account. All this time, and I didn't know my existence and opinions were in question :cry
Just for giggles, I searched "all open forums" for posts containing "Stang AND WMLute AND Murdr"
Search Results (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=332811&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending) for your reading pleasure regarding said individuals qualifications for expressing well informed, experienced opinions on game mechanics.
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Murdr .... No Flight time = Loss of Trainer Perks .......:rofl :lol
Crims
479th Raiders FG
PS I gave the UPS Driver 20 Bucks not to Make the delivery untill Sat. :p
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lawl murdr