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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on November 12, 2007, 08:56:27 AM
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As the final stages of my home office rennovation is about to start I have decided upon my "piece de resistance" and wanted to know if anyone here has had any experince ordering from the site linked below.
I've always wanted to have a tall ship model but there is no way I'd have the patience or even the skill to build one myself. I saw one kit at a hobby shop in Toronto for HMS Victory and unbuilt it was over $500.
Recently I was in Amsterdam and in an Antique shop I saw a small model built by a French prisoner of war (from Trafalgar) made out of mutton bone and clothing thread etc. that was absolutely incredible, but the asking price was over 5,000 Euros!!!!
After a bit of research I discovered that these ship were more common than the Antique dealer was letting on. :)
During my search I came across this site and this model. I think it is awesome.
Your thoughts?
http://modelshipmaster.com/products/tall_ships/hms_victory.htm
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Looks pretty good to me!
Might go down too the dockyard and have a walk along the top deck!
Haven't done that for a few years now....
Bruv
~S~
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Curval, have you ever built one of those kits before?
Ive been interested for years and have even purchase two kits, the USS Constellation (sister to Constitution) and a 1860s era virginian sloop. I have yet to begin building either of these kits. Every time I open the box and look at the stuff inside I get the ibby jibbys. Someday.....someday.
Good luck and do keep us informed on what goes down.
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WOW
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For a moment I was thinking TCS Victory
(http://www.wcnews.com/ships/images/wc3lightcarrier.jpg)
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That was a good game, I wish they would update it and re-release it
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Originally posted by Yeager
Curval, have you ever built one of those kits before?
Ive been interested for years and have even purchase two kits, the USS Constellation (sister to Constitution) and a 1860s era virginian sloop. I have yet to begin building either of these kits. Every time I open the box and look at the stuff inside I get the ibby jibbys. Someday.....someday.
Good luck and do keep us informed on what goes down.
No man...I get the same reaction when I see model parts.
The only way I'm ever going to own one is to buy it already made. I have sent two emails with questions about shipping and a display case and already have answers back.
I'll let you know how it goes, looks like I'm going for it.
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That is an impressive ship model. Did you see the 64" x 45" model marked down to $2900 from $3500? Bet you could get it for $2500 by making an offer on it. Lot of money but you'd have a museum piece for sure.
Les
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Originally posted by Wolfala
For a moment I was thinking TCS Victory
(http://www.wcnews.com/ships/images/wc3lightcarrier.jpg)
Man I LOVED that game
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Originally posted by SD67
Man I LOVED that game
Yup....CLASSIC bad guys!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/Thrakhath8s.gif)
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Originally posted by Leslie
That is an impressive ship model. Did you see the 64" x 45" model marked down to $2900 from $3500? Bet you could get it for $2500 by making an offer on it. Lot of money but you'd have a museum piece for sure.
Les
It's too big for the room. Even the one I am looking at buying is a bit too big and will prevent me from putting in a small couch I had planned to buy. Instead I may have to get two chairs.
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Almost bought Victory last spring. Well, just a plastic model, some foot long.
HMS Beagle was there as well, looked nice.
But Cutty Sark is the sweetie ;)
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Cutty Sark is beautiful but has no real meaning for me.
Victory is...well...Victory. Simply the penultimate tall ship.
If this goes well I may have them build me a model of HMS Pickle (the first Pickle), which was the smallest ship at Trafalgar and which was relegated to message duty during the battle. But once the British fleet realised they had won the battle Pickle was dispatched to inform London as it was also the fastest ship in the fleet.
She was also built in Bermuda and was the most famous Bermuda Sloop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Pickle_(1800)
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I started one of those once. I was determined to do it right, down to the last detail. I was doing the Constitution (Old Ironsides). I had it in my garage workshop, and one day about 3 weeks into the project my ex-wife brought me a box of broken pieces. She had knocked it down while looking for something. Never even thought about building one since then.
I like the one without the sails.
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I have been into wooden ship modeling for a number of years. It can be an extremely enjoyable hobby with results at the end that will awe your friends and make your chest swell like the mainsail.
However, it can also make you tear your hair out and throw tools across the basement.
I can offer some suggestions.
1. Start with a small model. You will get every bit as much satisfaction at the end and it is a lot less expensive to start with. Here is a good link:
good start (http://www.naturecoast.com/hobby/holid.htm)
2. Spend some time at Amazon.com and get some good books. I have a number of them up to and including an enourmous volume on just rigging.
3. Find a resource on the internet like this bbs is for AH. I'll give you one:
ship modeling BBS (http://forum.drydockmodels.com/)
4. Make sure the first thing you do is build a drydock with some form of clamp to hold the keel.
5. I would build the model indoors. You would be amazed at the catastrophic effects of a change in humdity on a wooden ship model. I have seen one that looked like it had been torpedoed a couple of times. :cry
6. Do research, do research, do research. It is a whole new world. While people here argue about the flight model or wether or not a certain airframe had 20 or 30 mm, there are models out there that are not historically accurate. Who would want to spend the money to build something that is not accurate. I almost fell into this while looking for a model of the HMS Bounty.
Don't pay the money for the prebuilt one. Do it yourself, may take a year or two but it will be worth it in the end. :aok
Hope this helps some.
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"Don't pay the money for the prebuilt one. Do it yourself, may take a year or two but it will be worth it in the end."
No thanks.
I completely understand why you would suggest it but I don't have the time, patience, skill or a lack of young children running around that would allow me to build one.
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Ok, understood. Here is a link with several different size HMS Victory models, prebuilt with varying options.
HMS Victory (http://shipmodelsuperstore.com/index.php?categoryID=2&search=1&search_name=victory&search_price_from=&search_price_to=¶m_7=¶m_1=¶m_4=&search_in_subcategory=1&advanced_search_in_category=Find%21)
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...a lack of young children running around that would allow me to build one.
I would say that is an issue to consider regardless of your building or buying it. These are very delicate things, and kids and delicate is a BAD combination. Even if they manage to not intentionally play with it (when dad's not around), and even if it is in dad's Man cave -- **** happens :)
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
I would say that is an issue to consider regardless of your building or buying it. These are very delicate things, and kids and delicate is a BAD combination. Even if they manage to not intentionally play with it (when dad's not around), and even if it is in dad's Man cave -- **** happens :)
Charon
Yes, there is a risk...BUT the model will be in a display case and sitting on a shelf in my Man cave (great anaology btw).
Yes, they could still damage it but they have so far stayed away from all my plane models, which surprised me. I wasn't so lucky with a submarine model I was trying to build. Parts would go missing (and turn up later in toy boxes after adament denials they had touched them), glue was squeezed out on my desk and paint found its way on to walls and my chair.
Far more risks involved when trying to build a model. At least in my experience.
:)
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Originally posted by 1cajun
Ok, understood. Here is a link with several different size HMS Victory models, prebuilt with varying options.
HMS Victory (http://shipmodelsuperstore.com/index.php?categoryID=2&search=1&search_name=victory&search_price_from=&search_price_to=¶m_7=¶m_1=¶m_4=&search_in_subcategory=1&advanced_search_in_category=Find%21)
Thanks.
I've done quite a bit of looking around and settled on the one I linked due to the realism factor. Copper plated bottom? Plank on frame building. Can't beat that action.
:aok
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if you are looking at HMS Victory would suggest getting the book
The Anatomy of nelson's Ships by C. Nepean Longridge
ISBN 0-87021-077-7
http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Nelsons-Ships-Nepean-Longridge/dp/0870210777
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That's a helluva project. But boy, its tons cheaper than a robot project :)
Have you ordered it yet?
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with out sails
you can see alot more of it
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Yes, there is a risk...BUT the model will be in a display case and sitting on a shelf in my Man cave (great anaology btw).
Yes, they could still damage it but they have so far stayed away from all my plane models, which surprised me. I wasn't so lucky with a submarine model I was trying to build. Parts would go missing (and turn up later in toy boxes after adament denials they had touched them), glue was squeezed out on my desk and paint found its way on to walls and my chair.
Far more risks involved when trying to build a model. At least in my experience.
They sound very restrained... relatively speaking :) My wife collects these "Cows on Parade" things and has about 2 dozen in a curio cabinet. I can easily imagine coming downstairs some morning 2-4 years down the road to the carnage from COW WARS! I have already told her as much, but she is only gradually learning to appreciate the "boy factor." :)
The case should also eliminate the dusting issue, which limits how adventurous I get with models these days. I buy the more durable Franklin Mint metal aircraft models now over the more accurate plastic models, but even those lose a variety of antenna, etc. as time passes.
Charon
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I haven't ordered yet LePaul, I had assumed I'd get the full sail version with the illumination but now that I look at it again I think it does look better without the sails.
I am emailing to see what is invoved with rigging them and to see if I can get the sails separately, so at least I have them.
I don't think the illumination adds much and it needs to be plugged in which sucks...just another wire to *hide* for once every few years when I turn it on.
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Thats Awesome Curv
I considered buying one from this place, but decided agaist it cause I just dont have the space.
Your place looks like its nicer though.
Hand crafted model ships. (http://www.handcraftedmodelships.com/hms-victory.php)
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Curval : I hate you ! ;)
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The one in this link has some sails in the tops and middle parts of the mast but the lower sails are reefed or rolled up so you get the best of both worlds.
http://modelshipmaster.com/products/tall_ships/HMS_Victory_3'_or_5'_long/hms%20victory%20model%20(4).JPG
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Yea, I saw that Gto, but I agree with MT and BiGMAW, it just looks better without sails altogether.
Don't hate me Straffo.:cry
;)
I actually tried to order a non illuminated one off that site for $880. Everytime I click on it I am told I am buying an illuminated one...for $980.
I email them about it, so far no response.
Not a *strike* but kind of frustrating. No explanation, I guess they only have illuminated ones in stock.
Then I do a little more digging and find one non illuninated without sails for $880 and place the order (they already said they could make the sails separately, just allow them two weeks to stich them up). I put all my details in, including my cc number, and when I go to the "checkout" I am suddenly directed to a paypal site. It requests all my info again which I duly fill out and hit submit. The heading at the top of the page said "Pay by Credit Card and Paypal".
I submit this and then get a message saying I need a PayPal account.
STRIKE ONE!
:mad:
Now I don't know whether my original order was placed but I'm pretty sure the PayPal site didn't ding my card.
I have emailed the company to see if they got my order, so far no response.
I cannot have a PayPal account because I don't reside in the US, or any real country. lol
So far a bit of a hassel, but I hope it will just be a minor thing.
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OKAY! It is all ordered.
I ended up having to call them, but now it is sorted. They reckon 2-5 days for shipping!!! Air freight obviously.
I will post up some pics once it is set up. The darn case cost almost as much as the model btw...but it is essential.
Really psyched. Something I have always wanted.
Merry Christmas...to me. ;)
:aok
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Thats Awesome Curv!
I was reading the site for the place you bought from and they had a little blurb about other victories not being accurate, the site I linked the cheaper one I am SURE is one of those not accurate ones. The one your getting is fantastic. Post lots of pics when you get it!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Thats Awesome Curv!
I was reading the site for the place you bought from and they had a little blurb about other victories not being accurate, the site I linked the cheaper one I am SURE is one of those not accurate ones. The one your getting is fantastic. Post lots of pics when you get it!
Thanks man, will do.
Yea, I saw that blurb too. Of course they wrote it...but I did some looking around online and theirs are more pricey but appear to be much better quality.
They are shipping the sails in a couple of weeks after they make them, they will be vacuum packed and stored when they get here.
Pretty cool.
I had to rearrange the whole office to be able to fit it in but it will be well worth it. Any guy who sees it will have some serious model envy.
;)
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Awesome Curval :)
Need some pics of the real one here i think. What a beautiful ship.
(http://photo.net/bboard-uploads/00Bx8i-23059684.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41608000/jpg/_41608980_hms_victory_pa_416.jpg)