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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: whiteman on November 12, 2007, 04:14:47 PM
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Just curious why people choose the MA over the AVA. I originally got into this for the classic match ups and found the MA to almost be a free for all death match at first. My guess is numbers and your not limited on what you can fly.
I play the MA just couse there are more numbers there, only reason.
I'm going to start playing the AVA just so i can play some realistic match ups on actual maps. Numbers are the only drawback i have, most AVA regulars seem to be ok with small numbers.
What if there was a AVA styled MA. All AC and GV's available only that catch is obviously it's allied ac vs axis ac. I'd like it and i feel I'd be 1 of 6 people in there. :D
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Isn't that what the new up coming version is going to be like?
Kinda?
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:D probably but thats just a question not a request.
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Originally posted by whiteman
Just curious why people choose the MA over the AVA. I originally got into this for the classic match ups and found the MA to almost be a free for all death match at first. My guess is numbers and your not limited on what you can fly.
I play the MA just couse there are more numbers there, only reason.
I'm going to start playing the AVA just so i can play some realistic match ups on actual maps. Numbers are the only drawback i have, most AVA regulars seem to be ok with small numbers.
What if there was a AVA styled MA. All AC and GV's available only that catch is obviously it's allied ac vs axis ac. I'd like it and i feel I'd be 1 of 6 people in there. :D
I used to go there because of the expectation of good fights. When that expectation doe snot exist, then why bother? MA has more targets and planes that can help when you are in a bad situation. Don't know why anyone would look for historical match ups. Fly for an hour, bounce one and run home. What the point?
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AvA is FAR more fun than the MA...Unfortunately there are never many in the AvA:cry
You hit the nail on the head with your "free for all death match" in the MA statement.
On good nights when there are at least 20 or so players in the AvA (which isn't often anymore) it's a blast...You don't seem to get the ez-mode (arcade) type players in the AVA that just want to go fast and shoot the BIG gun in there like the MA seems to be FULL of anymore. If you do get lucky and logg on when there are some good players that are in the AvA looking to mix it up you will have tons of fun:aok
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It's so crowded nobody goes there anymore
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Hey Whiteman...
I would love to play in AvA but unfortunately not too many players show up.
I prefer playing the MID WAR arena. Yes you will fly 10min to find an enemy plane. You will have good even odd scraps without being BOUNCED by 6 others ! LOL
If you like FURBALLS, well maybe you should go in late war arenas and jump in !:D
Personnaly I think flying in Early and Mid can teach you how to fight with minimum of enemy planes. Your fight can last several minutes before it ends. This way you learn and adjust accordingly.
Then once you are experienced enough, late war arena furballs will teach you how to fight while having your HEAD on a swivel (SA).
MIDWAR arena I think is played like AVA.
My opinion:aok
Phil
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For me, if they used the regular arena settings, I would be there more often. It's that simple.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
For me, if they used the regular arena settings, I would be there more often. It's that simple.
like?
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I agree Mid war is pretty good. AvA is a lot of people complaining about stuff they (most not all) do.:(
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I thought the AvA allowed any country to fly the same aircraft. That being the case it still becomes a matchup of the same planes. No real classic matchups there when both opposing combatants are in -5's or zekes. The difference becomes slower planes fighting each other kinda alone. The DA seems to work fine for that.
As far as odds in the LW arena's go yes there are lots more people flying so it sometimes appears like a furball. There are many reasons for it. Here's a couple;
Most folks have a tendency to fight "down". The lower you go the shorter your expected life expectancy. Learn to fight "up".
Many people seem to think they are competing with each other for the kill. Maybe that's the only way they can get a kill and why you see 8 people on one guy (you know, the one that fought "down" iso up).
It's a farily simple affair to get 1v1's all the time in the LW arenas. Just go sucker one or two out of the pack. Drag them away from the pack. 1 or 2 always hang on. Continue to drag until one gives up then it becomes a standard 1v1 dogfight. Turn and fight him. If you do a better job of it you get the kill and can go get another one. As you get more comfortable take on the 1v2's.
IMHO there's not much difference between the arenas except you find more folks in the LW's. Personally, I'd rather have 4-8 good fights in one hour than spend an hour looking for 1-2 good fights. It interesting to note HTC tries to give a little for everyone no matter how few folks go into an arena to play.
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I thought the AvA allowed any country to fly the same aircraft.
Good Lord, Ren, stop in some time.
It's "Axis v Allies" because there are only two sides, and each side has a plane set that is NOT available to the other side.
One of those sides is....well...never mind....
Geez....kids these days....
- oldman
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Like the all the radar and viz settings.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I thought the AvA allowed any country to fly the same aircraft. That being the case it still becomes a matchup of the same planes. No real classic matchups there when both opposing combatants are in -5's or zekes. The difference becomes slower planes fighting each other kinda alone. The DA seems to work fine for that.
Ren
Are you kidding me with this? You would think "Axis vs Allies" might be a clue.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Like the all the radar and viz settings.
Im not a fan of reduced viz and dar settings either. For the most part we have gotten away from that.
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Used to fly that kinda thing elsewhere...........
was the rolling planeset thingy.........
matchups are ok BUT the way things get really one sided part of the time. 1st one side has an advantage then the other and back and forth then it all gets pretty one sided. True it's fairly accurate and how things pretty much were. I just got burnt out on it and don't care for the rolling planeset thing anymore.
AND really didn't care for the way so many SEEMED to switch to the side that SEEMED to have the advantage then back ...................
very often found that the numbers in such arenas can get way out of balance.
So I VERY RARELY go into the AvA.
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AvA does have it moments.. I do like the idea of a rotating plane set, this allows you to have fights that are hard to come by in LW. The bases are closer so less time between fights. Up till a couple weeks ago the focus was on fights. Know we have a squad devoted to porking bases. I thinks the squads that call AvA home are ruining the game play.
I was in their last night with a little over 20 players. In 3 sorties i couldn't find one person to fight even when i was casing dar bars.
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The avengers are still a "work in progress". No question that for the moment they do more harm then good but I guess time will tell. The bigger issue to me is that if you had found them the whole squad wouldnt have been capable of taking you on. TC, myself and others have all offered to help bring them up to speed ACM wise. Hopefully over time both there game and attitude will step up....
Leaving the avengers aside the AvA is getting better. The "old" CT/AvA squads are much improved in both skill and gameplay and it shows (and gives me some marginal hope for the avengers). All in all I've found the AvA to be a viable option to the MA's when the numbers are decent. I think the 40-43 plane sets are fairly balanced but the late war sets will tend to favor one side or the other a bit more.
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Originally posted by FX1
AvA does have it moments.. I do like the idea of a rotating plane set, this allows you to have fights that are hard to come by in LW. The bases are closer so less time between fights. Up till a couple weeks ago the focus was on fights. Know we have a squad devoted to porking bases. I thinks the squads that call AvA home are ruining the game play.
I was in their last night with a little over 20 players. In 3 sorties i couldn't find one person to fight even when i was casing dar bars.
The SOARz didn't move to the AvA, did they? Sounds like we need to put a merciless beating on these toolshedders and drive them from the arena. I'll check in there at some point tonight.
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wth are the avengers? :huh
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New squad that came over from warbirds i think. They post in the AVA forum. I might play on their Thursday squad night on the opposite side since there will be numbers.
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I decided to pick up and fly with a couple old squaddies in the AvA last night, and I gotta say, I didn't have that great of a time. It started out with 18-20 people, but as mentioned the sides were lopsided.
It teetered back and forth and there wasn't really a balance, so you took the fights ya got. I got double-teamed quite often and didn't mind. But as soon as a 2vs2 turned into a 4vs2 an "unmentioned" pilot starts berating and telling a squaddie of mine to take off for giving him a after he shot him down. The player said not to bother throwing a if you're ganging...blah blah blah.
Anyway, it was just annoying to see a buddy throw a pilot a for a good fight, and then get the *Finger* for his effort because the other pilot felt ganged up on. We were then told to get the hell out and head back to the (flur of explicatives) MA where we belong.
Anyway, the fights were ok, and the matchups were ok, but not much strats to it and the attitude (not of all pilots mind you, plenty were quite pleasant to fight against) just made it seem like a poor experience for me.
Seems to me if you want a 1vs1 or 2vs2 without any interuption, you go to the dueling arena. Otherwise you deal with your disadvantage and keep your yap shut.
So i'll head back to the MA's where I can get a fight anytime I please, and anytime I get shot down, I'll realize it's my own fault and not the other teams fault for fighting like a bunch of ganging wangers. Cause eventually, you'll be on the ganging side, and that's just how it is.
to all the AvA pilots that were pleasant to fight against and who'll continue to fight there despite the beration. It takes guts.
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Based on his comments on the AvA bbs section I'd venture that was Storch (but I might be wrong). Out of curiousity were you one the high or low side of the "unbalanced" numbers. Your wording makes me think your on the "high" side.
When the numbers get so far out of whack it is frustrating for those on the low end who either have to slog it out or switch (which makes it worse) or log.
Now in the AvA many of us consiously make the choice to go to the low #'s side...even if this means we're flying the inferior planeset or against friends. All to even out the numbers as best we can in the interests of fairly even game play. As you said numbers do fluctuate and it can flip flop quickly. Other times its a constant gangbang. When I left it was very heavily wieghted toward the allies and had been all night. No question the AvA is a mixed bag...but its better then it was.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
wth are the avengers? :huh
As mentioned a WB squad. I dont think they're quite ready for the BK's yet...
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...but its better then it was.
You have got to be kidding.
When that expectation does not exist, then why bother? MA has more targets and planes that can help when you are in a bad situation.
At least you know what to expect in the MA, and have no false perception of the existance of an arena with morals.
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Humble, the sides were going back and forth. At that point in the night it was pretty much a rolling fight between two bases. One side pushing the other back and then back the other way.
When you engage someone and turn with them twice then get position and the kill, to me that is a good fight. I don't get many of them, usually I ride the chute home. :aok
The problem is this. You are engaged in a 1v2 or 2v2. 2 others enter the fight making it 4 on 2. Since you were already engaged are you supposed to show your rudder and exit the fight?
I stayed out of plenty of fights and also held the HO shot at least until I could see if the other plane would HO. Cost me a lot of chute time there.
I like the AvA and the style of fighting, but I will not include friendly numbers to my SA package. If I am engaged, I will continue until the end. If I happen upon an uneven fight I circle above.
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Originally posted by humble
As mentioned a WB squad. I dont think they're quite ready for the BK's yet...
Don't be so sure, Humble. We're equal opportunity haters.
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Originally posted by WWM
At least you know what to expect in the MA, and have no false perception of the existance of an arena with morals.
what?
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Yea actually I wasn't even engaged in the fight. I was en-route at that point and that's when the excitement happened. As it was, the numbers at that point were jumping back and forth.
Though immediately after that engagement, I checked, and it was 8-4 in favor of the Axis side. I'm all about even-handedness, and try to join the low numbers side, or the side my friends are on.
My point isn't that the numbers had ANYTHING to do with the situation, just that the offended player happened to be on the wrong side of an imbalanced fight and acted very childish about it. They happen, and always will. Like Cajun, I too try to avoid jumping into a way unbalanced fight, but i'm not dis-engaging once i'm in.
If you want an even fight, head to the DA. If you want to whine about an even fight, then that's a completely different story all-togeather. It has nothing to do with moral's, or honor, or any of the other "labels" people use when they get themselves into a poor situation.
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I always go to the out numbered side first. After that i do switch sides if needed.
All it would take is a vet squad to start good squabble and others would join.
Its one thing to milk run in LW. I come from a squad that specialized in taking bases. I just don't see the need or the fun of taking bases in a arena that the hole idea was to have historical match ups. The numbers are not their for a MAIN additude.
Tonight my goal is to frustrated the hell out of anyone capturing bases.
Tatters will be house special tonight.
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Before I ever set foot in the AvA I asked for some guidelines so I wouldn't come in not knowing how things were run and screw it up for everyone. Below is what I got in return to my question and is what I expected. Hence the perception Slash27. Not dogging anyone. Just came in with the wrong expectations.
My understanding of the AVA culture is the following
1) Don't HO on the initial merge
2) Don't gang (anything over 2 v 1 is overkill)
3) Don't vulch
4) Ask your countryman if he needs help vs a con before engaging
5) your adversary after an engagement
6) Be a gentleman and if you screw up and do any of the aforementioned admit it and try not to do it again.
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Originally posted by WWM
Before I ever set foot in the AvA I asked for some guidelines so I wouldn't come in not knowing how things were run and screw it up for everyone. Below is what I got in return to my question and is what I expected. Hence the perception Slash27. Not dogging anyone. Just came in with the wrong expectations.
My understanding of the AVA culture is the following
1) Don't HO on the initial merge
2) Don't gang (anything over 2 v 1 is overkill)
3) Don't vulch
4) Ask your countryman if he needs help vs a con before engaging
5) your adversary after an engagement
6) Be a gentleman and if you screw up and do any of the aforementioned admit it and try not to do it again. [/B]
I would say that most of the regulars would and do abide by those guidelines. Lately, there have been quite a few (percentage-wise) who are new to the arena, so that is most likely why you have not experienced what was "advertised."
For example, the last two times I was in there, I did not take or receive a single HO shot from anyone, despite ample opportunity -- not just on first merge, but second, third, and (when I was lucky) more. But, there have been other nights when I was HOed so frequently early in the evening that I started returning the favor without bothering to think about it.
Like any of the arenas, there will be good nights and bad nights.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Im not a fan of reduced viz and dar settings either. For the most part we have gotten away from that.
Not in the current setup. It's not that I can't play the game that way (it's basically the same as a scenario). But for me, it makes SA more work than I care to partake of.
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The "HO" issue isnt always going to go away. To me a "HO" occurs on the merge. Now in a good one on one the trick is to pass on "mutual front quarter" shots. Sometimes thats a very grey area, TC felt I took a marginal such shot on him at one point. From his view we were apparently very close to nose to nose at the top of a vertical....from my end he'd stalled out a bit earlier and i had canopy shot from a FQ view. He had no problem voicing his thoughts and I took zero offense at his comment and simply recognized we had a slight bit of lag between us and flew slightly different lines to minimize that issue from then on. A bit earlier I ran into jamusta's 38 when he inadvetently spun it out...simply shot thru him and then ran into him....again no biggie....wasnt on purpose from either side...
I actually have high hopes for the avengers, given time and some gentle massaging they may be a good thing for the AvA....
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HO is a small issue and I direct nothing towards the Avengers. Never been there during their squad night.
Nothing is going to change in any arena unless it is run like the TA. Strict set of guidelines that if blatantly abused gets you ousted. Even if you have a group of quality guys, it only takes a few to start the snowball effect or the quality just leaves. Such as Dedalos did.
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Originally posted by WWM
HO is a small issue and I direct nothing towards the Avengers. Never been there during their squad night.
Nothing is going to change in any arena unless it is run like the TA. Strict set of guidelines that if blatantly abused gets you ousted. Even if you have a group of quality guys, it only takes a few to start the snowball effect or the quality just leaves. Such as Dedalos did.
Went back in last night since I saw low numbers. Perfect night. Good fights all around for hours. When some well known guys are not on, the place is great.
Oh, disable the p38 bomber please. Some dweeb was using it to kill me :furious