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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 12, 2007, 05:53:07 PM
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Hello everyone,
Thought I would see if sending some pictures would work from this end I hope you enjoy, they are a few photos from some of my time here recently on a couple of the missions i have been going on. lately it really seems to be getting better over here and it almost feels as if we are making a difference for at leaste the people in our area of operations. We haven't had an attack on our soldiers in almost four months and alot of the iraqis overe here are starting to stand up for themselves and take back their neighborhoods from the al queda groups that had been killing and stealing from them over the last four years. in some of the neighborhoods i almost feel safe enough to walk around with out all the extra armor... almost. one of the most imediate things we have noticed from the last few months is the fact that children actually wave and say hello to us now, where as before they would have been killed and their parents beaten, there is no lnger the fear of the local populas, and people actually want us there to help. I hope everything is going well for everyone and i will try to write later..
Spc Jacob (Last name removed by Brian)
Pictures uploaded to my picture server:
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=18296946&uid=2726312
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:aok
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Nice :)
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to Jake
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the war is lost, we must withdraw (before we end up succeeding!)
! :aok
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He sent more pictures today, I added them to the folder, to view click first link on first post. :aok
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Good news for a change
Thank you Jacob
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Sounds great. Maybe we should declare victory and bring those brave people home.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sounds great. Maybe we should declare victory and bring those brave people home.
Or maybe we should let them finish the job, like they've been working to do.
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im still wondering what that job is?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sounds great. Maybe we should declare victory and bring those brave people home.
Would you stop the workers that are building an RV when they haven't yet completed the roof on it? :huh
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Originally posted by raider73
im still wondering what that job is?
Reprisal Against Dujail
On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.
Though Saddam's reprisal against Dujail is considered one of his lesser-known crimes, it has been chosen as the first for which he will be tried.
Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.
The campaign consisted of eight stages of assault, where up to 200,000 Iraqi troops attacked the area, rounded up civilians, and razed villages. Once rounded up, the civilians were divided into two groups: men from ages of about 13 to 70 and women, children, and elderly men. The men were then shot and buried in mass graves. The women, children, and elderly were taken to relocation camps where conditions were deplorable. In a few areas, especially areas that put up even a little resistance, everyone was killed.
Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.
Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.
Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.
Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."
Invasion of Kuwait
On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops invaded the country of Kuwait. The invasion was induced by oil and a large war debt that Iraq owed Kuwait. The six-week, Persian Gulf War pushed Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in 1991. As the Iraqi troops retreated, they were ordered to light oil wells on fire. Over 700 oil wells were lit, burning over one billion barrels of oil and releasing dangerous pollutants into the air. Oil pipelines were also opened, releasing 10 million barrels of oil into the Gulf and tainting many water sources. The fires and the oil spill created a huge environmental disaster.
*****e Uprising & the Marsh Arabs
At the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, southern *****es and northern Kurds rebelled against Hussein's regime. In retaliation, Iraq brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of *****es in southern Iraq.
As supposed punishment for supporting the *****e rebellion in 1991, Saddam Hussein's regime killed thousands of Marsh Arabs, bulldozed their villages, and systematically ruined their way of life. The Marsh Arabs had lived for thousands of years in the marshlands located in southern Iraq until Iraq built a network of canals, dykes, and dams to divert water away from the marshes. The Marsh Arabs were forced to flee the area, their way of life decimated.
By 2002, satellite images showed only 7 to 10 percent of the marshlands left. Saddam Hussein is blamed for creating an environmental disaster.
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Jake
Hunker down.
Proud of You!
Mac
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Nice pictures, send him a
for his service and a job well done. I'm glad he is seeing a difference over there and hope it continues to go in that direction.
It does finally seem that the Iraqi's are finally starting to pull their head out of their anuses.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Would you stop the workers that are building an RV when they haven't yet completed the roof on it? :huh
If the guy who designed the RV didn't know what he was doin', I would. No reflection on the hard workers tryin' to make it work anyway. Doesn't make the design a useful one.
Still, thanks for the pics and send my regards.
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Originally posted by raider73
im still wondering what that job is?
You either figure it out by the time you're 18, or you subscribe to the Communist Manifesto.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Reprisal Against Dujail
On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.
Though Saddam's reprisal against Dujail is considered one of his lesser-known crimes, it has been chosen as the first for which he will be tried.
Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.
The campaign consisted of eight stages of assault, where up to 200,000 Iraqi troops attacked the area, rounded up civilians, and razed villages. Once rounded up, the civilians were divided into two groups: men from ages of about 13 to 70 and women, children, and elderly men. The men were then shot and buried in mass graves. The women, children, and elderly were taken to relocation camps where conditions were deplorable. In a few areas, especially areas that put up even a little resistance, everyone was killed.
Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.
Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.
Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.
Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."
Invasion of Kuwait
On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops invaded the country of Kuwait. The invasion was induced by oil and a large war debt that Iraq owed Kuwait. The six-week, Persian Gulf War pushed Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in 1991. As the Iraqi troops retreated, they were ordered to light oil wells on fire. Over 700 oil wells were lit, burning over one billion barrels of oil and releasing dangerous pollutants into the air. Oil pipelines were also opened, releasing 10 million barrels of oil into the Gulf and tainting many water sources. The fires and the oil spill created a huge environmental disaster.
*****e Uprising & the Marsh Arabs
At the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, southern *****es and northern Kurds rebelled against Hussein's regime. In retaliation, Iraq brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of *****es in southern Iraq.
As supposed punishment for supporting the *****e rebellion in 1991, Saddam Hussein's regime killed thousands of Marsh Arabs, bulldozed their villages, and systematically ruined their way of life. The Marsh Arabs had lived for thousands of years in the marshlands located in southern Iraq until Iraq built a network of canals, dykes, and dams to divert water away from the marshes. The Marsh Arabs were forced to flee the area, their way of life decimated.
By 2002, satellite images showed only 7 to 10 percent of the marshlands left. Saddam Hussein is blamed for creating an environmental disaster.
And all that is America's business how ?? :huh
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You either figure it out by the time you're 18, or you subscribe to the Communist Manifesto.
Thank you for assuming if people don't agree with you that makes them Communist...... Uh yeah.
Anyway a HUGE to Spc Jacob. I'm sorry if the people leading him however have sometimes made stupid decisions. Not his fault though. God i hope he comes home safe.
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Rip pass along good wishes and prayers from my end that he and his buddies come home safe and come home soon. I know those guys are doing their job and a large majority of us have no idea what its like over there.
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raider and mt.. I am serious.. don't you think that it would be a horrible thing...regardless of how you felt about us getting involved in the first place...don't you think it would be a bad thing for us to pull out before the government and people of iraq were able to fend for themselves.. to get their military and police up to par and their infrastructure in some sort of working order?
crock-it.. I am also glad that we finally seem to be getting our heads out of our butts their.. I am surprised and pleased to hear you say such a thing tho. I may have dismissed you to soon.
lazs
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to all our troops over there.
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Originally posted by lazs2
raider and mt.. I am serious.. don't you think that it would be a horrible thing...regardless of how you felt about us getting involved in the first place...don't you think it would be a bad thing for us to pull out before the government and people of iraq were able to fend for themselves.. to get their military and police up to par and their infrastructure in some sort of working order?
crock-it.. I am also glad that we finally seem to be getting our heads out of our butts their.. I am surprised and pleased to hear you say such a thing tho. I may have dismissed you to soon.
lazs
Well duh!
The removal of troops must be done intelligently and with the best interests of the Iraqi people in mind. This of course must also be done with the lives of the brave men and women of our military in mind. Either way, it needs to be done as soon as possible. Not according to the whims of our idiotic administration.
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relax MT, next year you will have another "idiotic administration" to complain about.
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Have we surrendered yet?
I thought the war was lost?
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
And all that is America's business how ?? :huh
I guess if you live in an apartment and a women next door is being beaten or raped, the best course of action is to turn up the volume on the television.
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^ Wonderfully created straw man. Who's up for crusading to Darfur and the Congo? What about Myanmar? Can I get a raise of hands, anyone? Anyone? Anyone for taking on more foreign policies that don't strictly serve the national interest? Anyone? Bueller?
If the guy who designed the RV didn't know what he was doin', I would. No reflection on the hard workers tryin' to make it work anyway. Doesn't make the design a useful one.
Agreed. You can't blame the guys on the ground for a criminal lack of planning and preparation, though sadly they're the ones getting the cheese end of the stick trying to implement this "policy."
Rip's nephew and those who serve
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I guess it's OK to break into the apartment and rescue her even if the rape occurred 15 years ago? But wait. Then when her kids start fighting you after you break in, you can shoot them for interfering with your rescue. Sounds logical.
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
I guess if you live in an apartment and a women next door is being beaten or raped, the best course of action is to turn up the volume on the television.
Our military and the lives of it's servicemen are not to be used to go around fixing up the situation of every world atrocity we don't agree with. As if we are the Mother Teresa or the Jesus Christ of the world.
The military is only to be used to protect America's resources, properties, and of course it's people. Technically....American blood is not to be spilled over another country's business.
Do you suggest we send American servicemen and women to die and give their lives in the helping of every world atrocity that occurs as a result of a sovereign nations business. I think it's unfair to send our soldiers and ask them to do this, when technically this is not their mission statement.
Now if a country asks for help and we decide to give it, no problem. We should ask a country if they want help first before assuming they want America involved in their business. We would expect the same respect from another nation. It's part of being an individual sovereign country. Why America is so arrogant enough to believe every country wants to be like us i'll never understand. This very arrogant, conceited attitude is part of the problem and why we have created terrorism ourselves and a lot of the disdain we see today. Though some of you seem not to understand this.
It is always respectful to assume another person can handle their own problems and give them the common decency and respect needed as a person to handle their own business. Be willing to lend a helping hand at all times but to shove that helping hand down someones throat is not something most people enjoy..... Understand.
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Spc Jacob
I am very happy that things are getting safer for some of our brave men (and women) over there.
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
I guess if you live in an apartment and a women next door is being beaten or raped, the best course of action is to turn up the volume on the television.
Nah,its more like..three women are being beaten or raped,otherwise they start killing each other.
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Thanks for the pictures and the perspective. Tell Jake he's got plenty of people supporting and praying for both success and a safe return. God bless our troops.
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I'll send him this link tonight. I think he'll appreciate the different perspectives we all have of "over there". He'll appreciate the well-wishes too! I just don't know if he'll be able to read the link, if not, I'll rip-n-paste the more postive notes and send it to him in an email.
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ledpig.. you have a point.. we should not be involved in every situation unless it is a help to us.
Now tigress.. she might not agree.. I don't think she wants to be treated like that barbaric religion wants the entire world to treat her like. I think she sees the threat quite clearly.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
ledpig.. you have a point.. we should not be involved in every situation unless it is a help to us.
Now tigress.. she might not agree.. I don't think she wants to be treated like that barbaric religion wants the entire world to treat her like. I think she sees the threat quite clearly.
lazs [/QUOTE
Is Tigress middle eastern in nationality? If so i'd be interested in hearing her points of view.
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I don't believe she is but I think it fair to say that she sees islamofcists and terrorists who live in a 9th century religion of domination and intolerance as a real threat to her.
I would have to agree that a religion that didn't allow any of the things we take for granted as individual rights and believes that all should convert or die... I would see that as a threat..
hell... even jon stewart would see that as a threat.. he would say so but his writers are on strike so he can't really speak.
lazs
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
And all that is America's business how ?? :huh
In a word YES,
just as it was our business:
Hitler,
slobodan milosevic,
Kadafi,
Pol Pot,
Mao,
Noriega,
Stalin,
Just to name a few.
If we couldn't invade them then we contained them. Saddam was invaded, end of story.
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we have more problems in America now and use to much money over there i think they should just kill each other off
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Originally posted by raider73
i think they should just kill each other off
This has to be the most stupidest and self-centered statement i've ever seen. You must think there animals. There not. These are humans we are talking about. So what if they are Arabian? So what if there Muslim, we are all human. If your gonna join the army, speed it up please, i'd rather see you in uniform then ramblng in one sentence statements all over the boards that have no grammar, puncuation or literacy at all. So please, speed it up.
Regards,
Subway
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Squeeker quiet yourself they act like animals. is it humane to put bombs on each other blow each other up
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Originally posted by raider73
Squeeker quiet yourself they act like animals. is it humane to put bombs on each other blow each other up
First off, you spelt sqeaker wrong (sqeaker), "is" should be capitlized, and you missed a period at the end of your 2nd sentence. 2nd, I was talking abut Iraqi civilians dumb arse. Jihad = messed up. Please, do the entire AH community a favor and join the marines or whatever you plan on doing. Your waisting your friggin life on a game that no one seems to like you in. And, if you plan on calling me a sqeaker again, we can test that theory in DA. Comprende?
Up Yours,
Subway
EDIT: You missed the word "and" in between "other" and "blow"
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't believe she is but I think it fair to say that she sees islamofcists and terrorists who live in a 9th century religion of domination and intolerance as a real threat to her.
I would have to agree that a religion that didn't allow any of the things we take for granted as individual rights and believes that all should convert or die... I would see that as a threat..
hell... even jon stewart would see that as a threat.. he would say so but his writers are on strike so he can't really speak.
lazs
Yea i don't wanna live like that either. But that being said i respect they're right to live however they want as long as they stay the hell away from me. If they try, they must die is my philosophy. If they wanna commit family killings and such things to justify their family after what they deem is a disgrace, so be it, i don't care, just don't try that with me or mine is all i say.
That being said i really don't see how going over in they're neck of the woods and being over in their situation is going to help us too much. When they can still just as easily come over here at any time and kill us while we're not looking. Perhaps it's unbalancing them and thats good. They will live however they want as long as we try to "Americanize" them. And we shouldn't try to "Americanize" them any more than they should try to "Islamofacist" us. It's not our business. We should put up our protection without having to get too much involved in changing a culture that has nothing to do with us. Only the ones who try to impose it on Americans should die. The rest can live however they want.
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No answer Raider?
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Originally posted by JBA
In a word YES,
just as it was our business:
Hitler,
slobodan milosevic,
Kadafi,
Pol Pot,
Mao,
Noriega,
Stalin,
Just to name a few.
If we couldn't invade them then we contained them. Saddam was invaded, end of story.
Not exactly true for all.
Hitler - True.... He tried to extend and impose his will and way of life on us. Result Hitler must die. I'd kill him myself.
Slobadan Milosevic - False .....What the hell did him killing his own people have to do with us? What resources were we needing from them? What properties or American lives was he threating? Honestly we ain't the world's personal Jesus, to send our soldiers to die for other peoples crap. I don't like it, but it ain't up for me or America to like. At last i checked the government and military of America was only to be used for......Guess what America.
Kadafi - True ... Possible oil interets..result Kadafi should be biotch slapped. Even though i don't like blood for oil, until we get a new resource, looks like thats it.
Pol Pot - Possibly True.... Heaping communism on his own people. That's generally no reason of ours. Now it might have come over to haunt us, but i had my own reservations about a third world two bit country turning communist would effect us.
Mao - I think he was kind of the same with the communist proliferation so i'll leave him alone.
Noriega - True .... Huge drug exporter, causing problems for us. Result Noriega must be captured, killed, or deposed.
Stalin - Not quite true ... Stalin generally murdered and subjugated his own people. He needed to be watched. But if he tried that stuff with us he should be killed. Other than that, his country, his people, they're problem. It's not worth it to go around saving the world and sharing love if other people spit in your face while doing it. If they want help then fine. Sorry to be bleak, but i am, and such is this world.
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subway its Squeaker and i dont care its BB not SAT's or Mcas go grow some hair on ur nuts lil dude
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
First off, you spelt sqeaker wrong (sqeaker), "is" should be capitlized, and you missed a period at the end of your 2nd sentence. 2nd, I was talking abut Iraqi civilians dumb arse. Jihad = messed up. Please, do the entire AH community a favor and join the marines or whatever you plan on doing. Your waisting your friggin life on a game that no one seems to like you in. And, if you plan on calling me a sqeaker again, we can test that theory in DA. Comprende?
Up Yours,
Subway
EDIT: You missed the word "and" in between "other" and "blow"
I never quite understand people being sticklers for spelling on an internet bulletin board either. I generally just type, say some sh#t and move on. Not like it's the Sat's or something.
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Originally posted by raider73
subway its Squeaker and i dont care its BB not SAT's or Mcas go grow some hair on ur nuts lil dude
#1: Im suprised you'd say something like this.... its funny... you didn't even answer my DA callout.
#2: "subway" should be capatilized, "I" should be capatlized, there should be a ' between the n and t in "dont", you mispelled "ur", it should be "your" and there should be a ' at the end of lil because that isn't a word, that would be slang, and you missed a period at the end of "dude".
#3: I'm quiet sure i have my nuts within my pants, the question is, do you? Expect the words "Actualy, i'll make it a large" in your near future.
Up Yours,
Subway
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Leadpig, I don't mind the minor spelling errors, I hate the sentences that have no puncuation, grammar or anything at all.
Regards,
Subway
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nuts buddy ur 12 LMFAO did i explain to you that its BB not Big test or some *hit SUbway i have a life i dont play Aces high everyday i play Sunday and FSO thats it:O
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'll send him this link tonight.
Seeing what's transpired, as of late. I would suggest aborting. (Or maybe just editing out the playground fight and emailing.)
ya'll
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Originally posted by raider73
nuts buddy ur 12 LMFAO did i explain to you that its BB not Big test or some *hit SUbway i have a life i dont play Aces high everyday i play Sunday and FSO thats it:O
I don't even know where to start on this sentence, if I should call it that.
Up Yours,
Subway
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Originally posted by Arlo
Seeing what's transpired, as of late. I would suggest aborting. (Or maybe just editing out the playground fight and emailing.)
ya'll
Yes don't send him all that. Not even my posts questioning the war. I don't want him to hear that.
Do send him a huge and the fact that i'd feel honored just to shake his hand.
:aok
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dont call it anything and thats all you got on me No life f88get:aok get a life:rofl
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Skuzzy, you at dinner or somethin? A PNG needs to be made...
Raider: Your a sad excuse for a 14 year old.
Regards,
Subway
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I agree that the errant mis-spelled word or grammatical error is "ok". Lord knows I do plenty of those.
But to typ lik this wif no gramer speeling or sentunc struksure reely gets old reeding and u shuld hav at leest a basik grasp uv english if u want to get anywere in live what u tiep on a intardnet bbs iz a refletion uv who u r I wood not go outsid w/o takin a shower and brus my hare and teeth so 2 wood i not typ in a maner lik this.
Rip, just in case I didn't post this yet, to y'er kid. Pass on all our well wishes and know we are praying for his safe return.
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subway ur a sad excuse for a life go get one and get bent:O
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Originally posted by raider73
subway its Squeaker and i dont care its BB not SAT's or Mcas go grow some hair on ur nuts lil dude
Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
#2: "subway" should be capatilized, "I" should be capatlized, there should be a ' between the n and t in "dont", you mispelled "ur", it should be "your" and there should be a ' at the end of lil because that isn't a word, that would be slang, and you missed a period at the end of "dude".
don't forget "its" vs. "it's"...
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
don't forget "its" vs. "it's"...
my bad, sorry I missed that one.
Regards,
Subway
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In my honest opinion, raider needs a PNG.
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by WMLute
I agree that the errant mis-spelled word or grammatical error is "ok". Lord knows I do plenty of those.
But to typ lik this wif no gramer speeling or sentunc struksure reely gets old reeding and u shuld hav at leest a basik grasp uv english if u want to get anywere in live what u tiep on a intardnet bbs iz a refletion uv who u r I wood not go outsid w/o takin a shower and brus my hare and teeth so 2 wood i not typ in a maner lik this.
Rip, just in case I didn't post this yet, to y'er kid. Pass on all our well wishes and know we are praying for his safe return.
Funny and so true :D
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SubWayCH you started it basically calling me an idiot i tried saying sorry but you pissed me off even more because you the most immature Squeaker of them all
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You either figure it out by the time you're 18, or you subscribe to the Communist Manifesto.
In Russian we call it "farting into a puddle". Sorry.
Do you think I should explain why? If you do - please PM me.
to all the guys doing their duty.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Not exactly true for all.
Hitler - True.... He tried to extend and impose his will and way of life on us. Result Hitler must die. I'd kill him myself.
Slobadan Milosevic - False .....What the hell did him killing his own people have to do with us? What resources were we needing from them? What properties or American lives was he threating? Honestly we ain't the world's personal Jesus, to send our soldiers to die for other peoples crap. I don't like it, but it ain't up for me or America to like. At last i checked the government and military of America was only to be used for......Guess what America.
Kadafi - True ... Possible oil interets..result Kadafi should be biotch slapped. Even though i don't like blood for oil, until we get a new resource, looks like thats it.
Pol Pot - Possibly True.... Heaping communism on his own people. That's generally no reason of ours. Now it might have come over to haunt us, but i had my own reservations about a third world two bit country turning communist would effect us.
Mao - I think he was kind of the same with the communist proliferation so i'll leave him alone.
Noriega - True .... Huge drug exporter, causing problems for us. Result Noriega must be captured, killed, or deposed.
Stalin - Not quite true ... Stalin generally murdered and subjugated his own people. He needed to be watched. But if he tried that stuff with us he should be killed. Other than that, his country, his people, they're problem. It's not worth it to go around saving the world and sharing love if other people spit in your face while doing it. If they want help then fine. Sorry to be bleak, but i am, and such is this world.
Such a great example of ignorance and propaganda work!
Pol Pot is the enemy while the US openly supported his slaughterhouse regime and "Evil Vietnamese" finished him, while Red China, a good friend of US, attacked Vietnam because of that and got it's rear end kicked severely.
Stalin with "his people being a problem" - sure a problem waiting for endlossung that have been carefully prepared and had to be implemented if only Stalin didn't get a Bomb.
I don't even want to comment on Miloshevich and Gaddafi. I suppose I am a little bit more informed then you are.
Such a sad picture.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Such a great example of ignorance and propaganda work!
Pol Pot is the enemy while the US openly supported his slaughterhouse regime and "Evil Vietnamese" finished him, while Red China, a good friend of US, attacked Vietnam because of that and got it's rear end kicked severely.
Stalin with "his people being a problem" - sure a problem waiting for endlossung that have been carefully prepared and had to be implemented if only Stalin didn't get a Bomb.
I don't even want to comment on Miloshevich and Gaddafi. I suppose I am a little bit more informed then you are.
Such a sad picture.
Since you totally misread what i was expressing let me break it down so your poor reading comprehensive skills can understand.
Pay attention to your own business...do not get into other peoples business unless asked.
America cannot afford to go fixing everyones problems for them. Nor should we, or would others always want us to. Other countries have their own problems and should be afforded the common respect of a human being to handle their own affairs like a grown country should. It's not polite, people generally at first don't like it, it causes dissent, etc, etc.
America is no greater a country than any of the others. It is a country period. And no man is greater than another nor are there for the countries that men create. Don't tell other people what to do and the other countries of the world will generally abide by that. You may not like what they are doing, how they are doing it, where they are doing it, or when they are doing it. But it is not for us to say. Only when anothers business begins to generaly affect ours or may at some time in the future, should the blood of a nations military be spilled for it and it only. Unless other arangements of help and good will have been made.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Such a great example of ignorance and propaganda work!
Pol Pot is the enemy while the US openly supported his slaughterhouse regime and "Evil Vietnamese" finished him, while Red China, a good friend of US, attacked Vietnam because of that and got it's rear end kicked severely.
Stalin with "his people being a problem" - sure a problem waiting for endlossung that have been carefully prepared and had to be implemented if only Stalin didn't get a Bomb.
I don't even want to comment on Miloshevich and Gaddafi. I suppose I am a little bit more informed then you are.
Such a sad picture.
Funny...
Anything that we are told over here in the US or west is mere propaganda..
While everything you have been spoon fed is gospel.
Considering you come from a country ( complete with puppet regimes) that had to build a huge wall not to keep other people out, but to keep its own people in, and is known throughout the world for its openess and compassion we should stand corrected.
This makes me think Patton has a point at the time Germany surrendered
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Originally posted by sgt203
Funny...
Anything that we are told over here in the US or west is mere propaganda..
While everything you have been spoon fed is gospel.
Considering you come from a country ( complete with puppet regimes) that had to build a huge wall not to keep other people out, but to keep its own people in, and is known throughout the world for its openess and compassion we should stand corrected.
Pol Pot was a US best friends in mid 70s - fact.
Mao was making friendship with the US against USSR and Vietnam - fact.
US had plans of nuclear first strike against USSR - fact.
There are serious doubts about Lybian participation in Lockerby plane bombing.
Miloshevich wasn't allowed to speak publicaly in Hague and then murdered in prison, after most of the accusations were dropped.
Also see my thread here called "Building walls".
Originally posted by sgt203
This makes me think Patton has a point at the time Germany surrendered
I have to agree with Omar Bradley on Patton. And also add that attack on USSR in 1945 could be a giant suicide for so-called "allies".
You either deny facts or make conclusions that contradict Occam's Razor. (Gaddafi and Miloshevich I mentioned above are not facts but my opinions).
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Since you totally misread what i was expressing let me break it down so your poor reading comprehensive skills can understand.
Pay attention to your own business...do not get into other peoples business unless asked.
America cannot afford to go fixing everyones problems for them. Nor should we, or would others always want us to. Other countries have their own problems and should be afforded the common respect of a human being to handle their own affairs like a grown country should. It's not polite, people generally at first don't like it, it causes dissent, etc, etc.
America is no greater a country than any of the others. It is a country period. And no man is greater than another nor are there for the countries that men create. Don't tell other people what to do and the other countries of the world will generally abide by that. You may not like what they are doing, how they are doing it, where they are doing it, or when they are doing it. But it is not for us to say. Only when anothers business begins to generaly affect ours or may at some time in the future, should the blood of a nations military be spilled for it and it only. Unless other arangements of help and good will have been made.
I simply can't disagree with anything you wrote. Thanks.
But look: when in 1993 Yeltsin violated Constitution, burned down the Supreme Council (parliament) and ordered mass-murders in the middle of my city - West was applauding him and saying he's a pure "democratic" leader. Now when Putin has like 90% approval rate (i am in the 10% left BTW) - West screams about "totalitarism". Strange, isn't it?...
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America is no greater a country than any of the others. It is a country period.
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where are you from leadpig? where are you living at this time? and just out of curiosity, how old are you? these three bits of data could create the answer that explains your statement here.
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Originally posted by Yeager
America is no greater a country than any of the others. It is a country period.
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where are you from leadpig? where are you living at this time? and just out of curiosity, how old are you? these three bits of data could create the answer that explains your statement here.
I will try my best never to be arrogant enough in my life to think who i am, where i come from, or the things i do are so great. Because on the flip-side of the coin there will always be someone to say the same thing about themselves and where they are from. I must strive to be open to listen at all times to make myself a better person. I must be just as willing to call myself out for being wrong as i am to call myself out for being right. I wish countries would take this advice, maybe the world would get along a lot better.
I am 29 btw, from Texas, living in America. But i will die as just another human being with what i came here with in the beginning. And i will face my own beliefs and consequences and rewards and my god. And i will not die as an American but as a human being.
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Originally posted by sgt203
Funny...
Anything that we are told over here in the US or west is mere propaganda..
While everything you have been spoon fed is gospel.
Considering you come from a country ( complete with puppet regimes) that had to build a huge wall not to keep other people out, but to keep its own people in, and is known throughout the world for its openess and compassion we should stand corrected.
This makes me think Patton has a point at the time Germany surrendered
Openness?Compassion?
I say that's rest of the world that built the "wall" around USSR.
I repeat,USA entered Europe for on simple reason,it was too much for soviets to own after the war.
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Originally posted by KgB
Openness?Compassion?
I say that's rest of the world that built the "wall" around USSR.
I repeat,USA entered Europe for on simple reason,it was too much for soviets to own after the war.
So the Russians were entitled to take possession of all of the European continent at the end of World War II?:rofl
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
So the Russians were entitled to take possession of all of the European continent at the end of World War II?:rofl
You lost me
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Originally posted by KgB
You lost me
You said the U.S. only entered Europe because it was too much for the Russians to "own" after World War II.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
You said the U.S. only entered Europe because it was too much for the Russians to "own" after World War II.
let me rephrase,USA didn't enter till knew for sure that Germans lost
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Originally posted by KgB
let me rephrase,USA didn't enter till knew for sure that Germans lost
Germany lost the war the minute they failed to stop the Normandy invasion. Once they had to fight on two fronts on the same continent they were done. Yes, it was decided that Russia would take Berlin. That does not mean the rest of the allies did nothing or did nit enter Germany, just that Russia took Berlin. And taking Berlin didn't entitle Russia to take control of all of Europe. If Russia could have done it on their own, Stalin wouldn't have been begging the rest of the allies to invade.
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Originally posted by KgB
let me rephrase,USA didn't enter till knew for sure that Germans lost
America vested their interest the minute the first young man died in WW2. I think there blood was payment and proof enough that they were in it for the long haul and that means whether things turned out for better or worse. They put their money where there mouth was the minute the first person stepped off those amphibious boats on D-Day, and even before that.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Germany lost the war the minute they failed to stop the Normandy invasion. Once they had to fight on two fronts on the same continent they were done. Yes, it was decided that Russia would take Berlin. That does not mean the rest of the allies did nothing or did nit enter Germany, just that Russia took Berlin. And taking Berlin didn't entitle Russia to take control of all of Europe. If Russia could have done it on their own, Stalin wouldn't have been begging the rest of the allies to invade.
LOL.
Stalin was begging for the Second Front in 1941. In 1944 it wasn't needed at all.
Germans didn't resist "allies" on the Western front, the only serious counter-attack in Ardennes almost turned into a catastrophe, so that time "allies" had to beg for Stalin's help. Visla-Oder operation started earlier then planned, causing even more losses.
If "Patton was right" - then I'd expect another Dunkirk in a matter of weeks after "allied" attack on Soviet troops. In 1945 there were no impossible things for Red Army.
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Yes yes, we know that the Russians crushed the Nazi warmachine single handed, and the western allies efforts weigted little or nothing :rolleyes:
NOT
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BTW, opened a thread on a topic on that, - what if the UK had made peace with Hitler in 1940.
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Originally posted by Angus
BTW, opened a thread on a topic on that, - what if the UK had made peace with Hitler in 1940.
Would've been very much like how a virus sometimes disguises itself as a normal amino acid or protein, gets past the cell wall and begins to eat that cell and the rest of the ones in the body alive.
Germany would've had a hell of a time trying to invade America though. I think he either wouldn't have tried or gave up and the cold war would've been very different. Well maybe not that different. Rather have the Soviet Union than Nazism. I think i've heard that prediction somewhere before though.
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CHECK THE OTHER THREAD ;)
ooops, my 1 year old caught the caps lock again.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Yea i don't wanna live like that either. But that being said i respect they're right to live however they want as long as they stay the hell away from me. If they try, they must die is my philosophy. If they wanna commit family killings and such things to justify their family after what they deem is a disgrace, so be it, i don't care, just don't try that with me or mine is all i say.
That being said i really don't see how going over in they're neck of the woods and being over in their situation is going to help us too much. When they can still just as easily come over here at any time and kill us while we're not looking. Perhaps it's unbalancing them and that's good. They will live however they want as long as we try to "Americanize" them. And we shouldn't try to "Americanize" them any more than they should try to "Islamofacist" us. It's not our business. We should put up our protection without having to get too much involved in changing a culture that has nothing to do with us. Only the ones who try to impose it on Americans should die. The rest can live however they want.
Although I'm kind of late in the conversation I do want to throw my two cents in to the discusssion.
I don't necessarily believe in the policy of pre-emption however, I do think that history teaches us that murderous dictators can only be appeased and contained for so long. What usually happens when we take an isolationist approach is that the killing usually ends up spilling over and impacting American interests some how some way. Hindsight is always blah blah blah and we probably could have avoided a bloody conflict and mass loss of lives to begin with had we gotten involved.
That being said I do agree with you that American GIs are by no means the world's police and that many of times our foreign policy initiatives, while good intentioned, have often back fired.
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My whole family would like to pass on a
and Thank you to your nephew Rip.:aok
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Ok LP, Ive got where you are coming from, in a very generalized way. I have met people and had lengthy discussions that hold your basic beliefs in standard humanism and I respect those beliefs immensely. However, my experience in life has been a wonderful one and I attribute that to many things, two of which stand out profoundly in my mind:
1) A unique and beautiful extended family experience
2) A unique and beautiful experience living in what I rightfully believe to be the greatest nation yet conceived on this earth.
With all its warts and ugliness, it is still a far cry from what most other nations have been able to achieve. I salute the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand and Australia for carrying very similar traditions in culture and government as we do here in these United States, and I can easily think of a dozen other nations, some in Western Europe, that strive for the equilibrium present in this land, but I believe firmly we have the most to gain, and the most to lose. Yet, by and large, I would fight to the last measure of my ability to escape from the majority of nations presently existing on this planet, to come here.
I am sure you could justifiably tear me a new one for my views. Its been done before and it will happen again, the beauty of democracy eh.....
Just my opinion though and thanks for sharing yours
Lastly I agree with you on this: We all will suffer the exact same fate in this life, as all life experiences its own demise. The billions that have been, and hopefully, those many more to follow us as we each wind our own singular way through time.
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Originally posted by Yeager
With all its warts and ugliness, it is still a far cry from what most other nations have been able to achieve. I salute the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand and Australia for carrying very similar traditions in culture and government as we do here in these United States, and I can easily think of a dozen other nations, some in Western Europe, that strive for the equilibrium present in this land, but I believe firmly we have the most to gain, and the most to lose. Yet, by and large, I would fight to the last measure of my ability to escape from the majority of nations presently existing on this planet, to come here.
I wholeheartedly agree on this. America i believe is mans best attempt at governing himself. I do not believe man will ever govern himself effectively however and that total peace will ever be achieved in this existence. This is the state of being where things are supposed to be screwed up. How else would we ever learn anything living in a Utopia. I don't believe there is a hell only a heaven and there is no judgement. At least from a loving God, only the judgement we inact upon ourselves and others. I don't believe God is cruel enough to do such things, or wishes too. Only man. In light of that i believe America is a really good try, and certainly one of man's best attempts. America may do wrong, and here's the clincher, it always tries to do right in the end. Beautiful Country.
That being said i ultimately hold no particular allegiance. Only to the things i feel i will take with me upon leaving this planet. That is love, honesty, integrity, and other such enduring things. And it's very hard for me to pledge my soul to things that to me are not of an eternal everlasting state, and is just a temporary existence. That being said i will strive my best to always respect another mans views, who knows i could be wrong.
Originally posted by Yeager
Lastly I agree with you on this: We all will suffer the exact same fate in this life, as all life experiences its own demise. The billions that have been, and hopefully, those many more to follow us as we each wind our own singular way through time.
Yeager some of the most beautiful, true poetic words i've ever heard. to you. :aok
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More pictures from my Nephew sent yesterday:
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Is he coming back soon?
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Originally posted by Boroda
LOL.
Stalin was begging for the Second Front in 1941. In 1944 it wasn't needed at all.
Germans didn't resist "allies" on the Western front, the only serious counter-attack in Ardennes almost turned into a catastrophe, so that time "allies" had to beg for Stalin's help. Visla-Oder operation started earlier then planned, causing even more losses.
If "Patton was right" - then I'd expect another Dunkirk in a matter of weeks after "allied" attack on Soviet troops. In 1945 there were no impossible things for Red Army.
Damn you all must make some potent vodka!
So powerful as to cause hallucinations and dellusions
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Anyone know what tank that is in the 13th picture down from the top?
Hope he gets home safely .
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Anyone know what tank that is in the 13th picture down from the top?
Hope he gets home safely .
13th from the top?
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL767/2726312/18296946/291197082.jpg)
AH-64 Apache flying tank?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Pictures uploaded to my picture server:
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=18296946&uid=2726312
Arlo, give me a break. Do I look like I Fly Navy?
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Arlo, give me a break. Do I look like I Fly Navy?
If there was any doubt it's confirmed now. ;)
Corsairs, baybee! :D
Shermie, baybee. :)
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The tank looks like a M-24 Chaffee and I was wondering if I was correct and what the story might be on it. Since it still has it's 50 cal mounted..
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Chaffee? *ShruG*
Not much showin'.
Still vote Shermie with some mods.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Reprisal Against Dujail
On July 8, 1982, Saddam Hussein was visiting the town of Dujail (50 miles north of Baghdad) when a group of Dawa militants shot at his motorcade. In reprisal for this assassination attempt, the entire town was punished. More than 140 fighting-age men were apprehended and never heard from again. Approximately 1,500 other townspeople, including children, were rounded up and taken to prison, where many were tortured. After a year or more in prison, many were exiled to a southern desert camp. The town itself was destroyed; houses were bulldozed and orchards were demolished.
Though Saddam's reprisal against Dujail is considered one of his lesser-known crimes, it has been chosen as the first for which he will be tried.
Anfal Campaign
Officially from February 23 to September 6, 1988 (but often thought to extend from March 1987 to May 1989), Saddam Hussein's regime carried out the Anfal (Arabic for "spoils") campaign against the large Kurdish population in northern Iraq. The purpose of the campaign was ostensibly to reassert Iraqi control over the area; however, the real goal was to permanently eliminate the Kurdish problem.
The campaign consisted of eight stages of assault, where up to 200,000 Iraqi troops attacked the area, rounded up civilians, and razed villages. Once rounded up, the civilians were divided into two groups: men from ages of about 13 to 70 and women, children, and elderly men. The men were then shot and buried in mass graves. The women, children, and elderly were taken to relocation camps where conditions were deplorable. In a few areas, especially areas that put up even a little resistance, everyone was killed.
Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.
Chemical Weapons Against Kurds
As early as April 1987, the Iraqis used chemical weapons to remove Kurds from their villages in northern Iraq during the Anfal campaign. It is estimated that chemical weapons were used on approximately 40 Kurdish villages, with the largest of these attacks occurring on March 16, 1988 against the Kurdish town of Halabja.
Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.
Saddam Hussein's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid was directly in charge of the chemical attacks against the Kurds, earning him the epithet, "Chemical Ali."
Invasion of Kuwait
On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops invaded the country of Kuwait. The invasion was induced by oil and a large war debt that Iraq owed Kuwait. The six-week, Persian Gulf War pushed Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in 1991. As the Iraqi troops retreated, they were ordered to light oil wells on fire. Over 700 oil wells were lit, burning over one billion barrels of oil and releasing dangerous pollutants into the air. Oil pipelines were also opened, releasing 10 million barrels of oil into the Gulf and tainting many water sources. The fires and the oil spill created a huge environmental disaster.
*****e Uprising & the Marsh Arabs
At the end of the Persian Gulf War in 1991, southern *****es and northern Kurds rebelled against Hussein's regime. In retaliation, Iraq brutally suppressed the uprising, killing thousands of *****es in southern Iraq.
As supposed punishment for supporting the *****e rebellion in 1991, Saddam Hussein's regime killed thousands of Marsh Arabs, bulldozed their villages, and systematically ruined their way of life. The Marsh Arabs had lived for thousands of years in the marshlands located in southern Iraq until Iraq built a network of canals, dykes, and dams to divert water away from the marshes. The Marsh Arabs were forced to flee the area, their way of life decimated.
By 2002, satellite images showed only 7 to 10 percent of the marshlands left. Saddam Hussein is blamed for creating an environmental disaster.
Well the US has certainly topped that rather lacklustre performance. But I always thought it was about the control of the oil, and that the civilian casualties were merely an inevitable by-product of this militaristic imperialism.
Who knows, though -- maybe you're right and it is all about killing as many Iraqis as possible.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
The tank looks like a M-24 Chaffee and I was wondering if I was correct and what the story might be on it. Since it still has it's 50 cal mounted..
What Chaffee tank?!?!?! The only thing that I saw were a couple pix of a humvee with a protected gunners ring on it. If you are referring to the very dark shot, that's definitely a hummer.
There are no Chaffee's in service and haven't been for decades.
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Originally posted by Maverick
What Chaffee tank?!?!?! The only thing that I saw were a couple pix of a humvee with a protected gunners ring on it. If you are referring to the very dark shot, that's definitely a hummer.
There are no Chaffee's in service and haven't been for decades.
The picture is the 13th down from the 1st post and he did not say it was in service, and it is a chaffe m-24.
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Didn't see that picture. It might be a Chaffee, hard to tell but the gun mantlet looks like it could be one.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Didn't see that picture. It might be a Chaffee, hard to tell but the gun mantlet looks like it could be one.
It's a Chaffee. Wonder how it got there, and whether they could get it home to a Museum.
The Italians got a couple 1920s biplanes outta a junkyard in Afghanistan and also a light tank.
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I know there are a few Chaffey's on display in the States. I've seen them at Knox and Bragg as well IIRC. I'm not sure if there is even a running one at Knox.
I suppose it's entirely possible it could have been left from WW2. I'd love to know the story about it.
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FYI, Jake returned from his 16 month tour on Jan. 22nd. :aok He'll be stateside for 6 months then transferring to Germany to finish out his service time.
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Good to hear, Rip...Hey, why were all of the photos' you posted removed?
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Good to hear, Rip...Hey, why were all of the photos' you posted removed?
I had to make room on my server for other pics.
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"FYI, Jake returned from his 16 month tour on Jan. 22nd. He'll be stateside for 6 months then transferring to Germany to finish out his service time."
Tell him "thankyou", and I would shake his hand if I could.