Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: humble on November 12, 2007, 09:10:03 PM
-
Have to say I'm more then a bit disappointed in the Avengers so far. Not your "skillz" or even your choice in style of game play per se.
When you conduct yourselfs in a way that causes some of the "old guard" to actively ignore you and decide that the loss of respect your beginning to suffer is irrelevent I think your missing the boat. In the end respect is central to good game play.
Seperate from all the varying views over what the AvA "should be" the underlying isue of respect is important. Often the clashes here on the BBS actually run to this very issue...and I'll be the 1st to openly say that in the end even the opinions of those I vehemently disagree with are important to me with regard to my own game play. My hope was that you guys were an "old school" squad....from my limited observations so far sadly your not. In fact you appear to be the type of marginally skilled, digital dirt orients tpye of squad that (IMO) "ruined" the CT in the 1st place.
Hopefully over time you'll realize that being a "respected foe" is essential to your own enjoymnet and game play....then again...sadly maybe its not.
-
This is why I stay off 200,other than the once in a while
From my POV flying along having fun and someone comes on 200 to say"fit in or F*ck off"..what??? Or my favorite "your not playing in OUR arena the way you should".. again, what? Isnt that like some one telling you how and what hand to hold the remote when you watch TV?..
-
bkwolf, Varcius was way out of line in typing that, and those of us on the axis side called him on it, and told him he was out of line.
now, next post is what I endured from your squad in the AvsA tonight, in the beginning
-
got home in a timely manner this evening. Logged in and took off, had a good battle with Storch...think he was in a 109K4 or maybe was a G6.I was in a spit VIII.........vry good flying storch landed and logged, and I landed and asked where others were.
was 1 Avenger on and 1 no squad fellow ( new player )
they were hitting undefended axis bases.
I switched to Axis and then 2 more Avengers showed up. Noone was talking, saying hello, nothing...more proceeded to take off and fly under radar to differing fields of the Axis.
looked at roster was 7 Avengers now online, and 2 no squad players on same side as the Avengers verses just 1 Knight ( axis ) which was me. I continued to lok for where these Allied players were. I switched to allied and did a few go to commands. then switched back to Axis..
no les than 8 were flying in P51D's flying now over 18K alt or higher and doing RADAR pork runs.......
I chased these high P51D flyers for almost 3/4's of an hour ...........I finally got lucky and got one to turn and semi engage me...he did well, for the most part he conserved his Energy real good. then he misjudged and rammed into me from behind by going to fast I was flying the Bf110-G2 ( or which ever is enabled )
at this time 2 P51s showed up and started winging together, they started out quiet well, about the 3rd reversal/rev I had worked them both into the same hemisphere , now they switched to BnZ front 1/4 shooting........
one plane flys off no where to be seen, the other I am giving chase as he climbs to safety....jamusta logs on and ask what is going on, as I am typing to him and laughing the 1st P51 that left came back and nailed me......no complaints at this time.
I up again, heading toward the last fight and grabbing alt...then here they come 4 & 5 P51D's most making frontal shots.. as far as teamwork goes, this was quite good at anyone time I had 2 P51s flying at me from either headon or from the side.........I get hit in the oil and lose my hub cannon ( am flying the 109K4 now, I am almost about to land and I go deadstick, motor seizes up....as I am fixing to touch down, had a Pilot Wound btw, as I am on approach, I hear a hauling arse P51D coming.......I am like 2 to 3 sectors away from where I left the group 4 or 5 P51s. Well here is a P51 bearing down on me trying to vylch my deadstick plane as I am about to land......I blackout and crash trying to set down........proxie kill awarded to Warmonger of the Avengers.....
well he was so fast had to be doing 550 mph the rate he was moving. I immediately reupped and before I could grab to 1.5K alt off the field I had 5 damn P51d's engaging me........jamusta comes in and gets 2 of them, but I am already beat back down again.all on a field that this squad was not even trying to take, or cap........heck for over a solid hour before these few little encounters this squad made radar knock out sweeps of every surrounding enemy field with no opposition logged on except the lonely 1 axis player ( me ).
about this time, when I had seen and had enough and been beat down again, one of the Avengers gave a I gave a right back. after all, with the actions they had showed me they truly deserve it.
Next, these guys up a bomber mission and fly around the radar circles as if they was in a FSO or in a life or death SCENARIO....and go bomb field 37........
I do not see why they want to bring "fly alone , pork radar so they are hidden, bomb undefended fields, take undefended fields, and slap each other on the back" type game play to the AvsA.......
and they do not show any respect toward how the players who have been here , who even sides until enough are on that they can THEN do their missions, come in here and say they are one of the best, if not the best WB squad. From what I saw tonight, it is no wonder why others had left WB for AH before them, and is no wonder they fly like this. if WB has noone left, then these guys have been milkrunning without opposition over there, or it might be the other shoe fitting here, and the WB crowd got tired of the BS antics and ran this squad off........
Now, Avengers we always welcome new blood, but you should respect the players who have been here far longer than any of you, and if you want to play in this Arena either play with in the paremiters of how we do things, and also enjoy your missions when the numbers fair it, but also be honorable and even out sides when the roster shows 9 allied vs 1 or 2 axis...........
you need to think hard about what you want to do, and either step up or step off!
-
Respect (Aretha Franklin)
What you want (hooo) baby I got it
What you need (hooo) you know I got it
(Hooo) all I'm asking (hooo) is for a little respect
( Just a little bit) when you come home
(Just a little bit) hey baby ( Just little bit)
When you come home ( Just a Little Bit) Mister
I ain't gonna do you wrong while you're gone
I ain't gonna do you wrong 'cause I don't wanna
All I'm asking is for a little respect when you come home
(Just a Little Bit) Baby ( Just a little bit )
When you come home ( Just a little Bit) Yeah
I'm about to give you all my money
And all I'm asking in return honey
Is to give me my propers when you get home
(Justa Justa Justa) Yeah baby when you get home
( Just a little Bit ) Yeah ( Just a little bit )
Hooo your kisses sweeter than honey and guess what so is my money
All I want you to do for me is give it to me whn you get home
( Re re re re spect) Yeah baby whip it to me
( Just a little bit) when you get home now ( Just a little bit)
R-E-S-P-E-C-T find out what it means to me
R-E-S-P-E-C-T, Take care, TCB ohhhh (Sock it to me,etc.)
A little respect oh yeah ( Just a little bit)
A little respect ( Just a little Bit)
-
First, I'd like to thank the guys that showed up and fought both with and against us. We had a great time in there and had some good fights while escorting the bombers. LOL, we'd a had that base if Bull had loaded his goony with troops instead of panty hose.
To those who would rather insult us and toss around "F" bombs on channel 200 all night than fly, you can expect to be ignored. But, just for the record, I do not care what you think of us as a squad, I do not care how bored you are, I do not care how talented you feel we are or not, I do not care that you are too lazy to climb up to the bombers and I do not care if you think it's your arena, get used to it because we are not going anywhere.
It's a very large map with plenty of room for everyone to fly their own personal style. I will not get on a soap box and put down anyone else for flying differently than we do; I would expect the same from others. See y'all on Thursday Night.
-
well tonight after most of the avengers logged off there were some new players in the arena, all in spits all ganging and all offering reasons why they should be doing so. after some frustration on my part with these guys I fired off a few profane words and logged.
I was in the wrong there, I apologize for my lack of judgement and quick temper. these guys are coming from the MA where that type of gameplay is the norm, furthermore they are hopelessly outclassed unless they are in a horde.
I hope they return to the arena, I hope that at some point the concept of the fight over the kill will begin to take hold in these guys.
a 2 v1 can be fun for an average player if he is the 1 and some novices are the 2 but once it becomes 3, 4, and 5 spits repeatedly it just gets old.
however even if it means getting clobbered every fight by these over adrenalined baby seals it's still fun for a little bit because even if I die I come away with a few pelts before they do me in.
again sorry for the outburst chapel, I was out of line.
-
Originally posted by lutrel
First, I'd like to thank the guys that showed up and fought both with and against us. We had a great time in there and had some good fights while escorting the bombers. LOL, we'd a had that base if Bull had loaded his goony with troops instead of panty hose.
To those who would rather insult us and toss around "F" bombs on channel 200 all night than fly, you can expect to be ignored. But, just for the record, I do not care what you think of us as a squad, I do not care how bored you are, I do not care how talented you feel we are or not, I do not care that you are too lazy to climb up to the bombers and I do not care if you think it's your arena, get used to it because we are not going anywhere.
It's a very large map with plenty of room for everyone to fly their own personal style. I will not get on a soap box and put down anyone else for flying differently than we do; I would expect the same from others. See y'all on Thursday Night.
I'll repeat it because it is worth doing so. you guys play well together, once you figure out the FM you will be a great squad to fight.
I don't agree with your method of play but I appreciate your forthright attitude.
at least when you guys are on I know you'll pork the radar and gang the crap out of me in my blindness. no problems, don't go changing to try and please me.
all the best avengers, I had fun while you were on.
-
Originally posted by lutrel
First, I'd like to thank the guys that showed up and fought both with and against us. We had a great time in there and had some good fights while escorting the bombers. LOL, we'd a had that base if Bull had loaded his goony with troops instead of panty hose.
To those who would rather insult us and toss around "F" bombs on channel 200 all night than fly, you can expect to be ignored. But, just for the record, I do not care what you think of us as a squad, I do not care how bored you are, I do not care how talented you feel we are or not, I do not care that you are too lazy to climb up to the bombers and I do not care if you think it's your arena, get used to it because we are not going anywhere.
It's a very large map with plenty of room for everyone to fly their own personal style. I will not get on a soap box and put down anyone else for flying differently than we do; I would expect the same from others. See y'all on Thursday Night.
I have not flown against you guys yet. I am glad you are here. You guys do what it is you do to have fun. But do keep in mind that the AvA is give and take. Im not asking you to do something you dont want to or to fly like some one thinks you should. Just use common sense when it comes to numbers and such when you may have alot of guys on and little in the way of bad guys. Pounding some n00b 5 on 1 wont get him to stay very long. Just a suggestion.
<> Avengers, Im looking forward to killing each and every one of you soon.:D
-
I was curious what your reply would be, you've answered my questions quite nicely. In fact your answer really does go along way toward explaining why you chose the AvA as your "new home". When I logged on you had a 9 to 3 numbers advantage and had already created some significant ruffled feathers among your few "adversaries".
This had nothing to do with your ability level or chosen style of play...but everything to do with your attitude and conduct. The mere fact that you dont care what established veterans think of your squad and its conduct amazes me.
I'm part of a squad that is largely unregimented in that we have no established "squad night", have no real structure per se and rarely run "missions". The only that matters to us is a group is our mutual respect for each other and the other members of the AH community. We've never booted anyone based on skill level.....but dont hesitate to ask anyone to leave who doesnt measure up to a high level of "citizenship" in the AH community. We're also full up at 64 members most of the time...
We all view or association with the squad as a privilege and a type of responsibility and conduct ourselfs accordingly (although we all have our moments as is human nature). This is a cartoon game, with cartoon planes and artifical objectives. Interaction with others is at its core....not "digital dirt" objectives. If your intent is to solidify the avengers squad nights as "noobs night out" then your going about things correctly....
I chose not to respond to your reply directly but would like to make a few points....
1) I dont believe anyone has heard me utter a single foul word about your squad either on vox or text so it was inapropriate to put anything "Fbomb" related in this thread or specific to me.
2) It's entirely possible to have a mission oriented play style without porking game play. In fact I'd make the observation that your overall attack on 37 was pretty much similiar to what I outlined before. And given reasonable opposition a viable option...but at 9 to 3 numbers it simply makes you look noobish. you really need to climb to 15k+ and roll in with B-26's and ponies...?
Now given the realities at hand a good AH squad would have launched either an A-20, mossie or jug raid. The entire goal is to try and create a balanced fight vs the smaller numbers. We'd also have put the target out on 200 to make sure we got all 3 "bad guys" involved.
-
I have to laugh. On this board, we were given some pretty insightful suggestions, and we decided to take advantage of the constructive criticism, and we gave it a shot. To paraphrase.....'bombers tight in formation, at least 2 gtroups of winged fighter support with alt above the bombers...etc ...etc...etc...ANd such adviuce was great advice.....
Ahhhh...
So now we need to first check the nmumbers before we fly to see if such a mission should be run. Hey...listen up.....we like to run missions...THAT IS WHAT WE ENJOY. If there is one on or 101 on as opposition....we like to run missions. To many of us, this is nothing but a computer game unless you bring into it some"relative realism"...like running a mission. We are all was buffs and like strategy....WE LIKE TO RUN MISSIONS.
To us, flying around looking for a fight gets boring....WE LIKE TO FLY MISSIONS...GET USED TO IT.
I have an idea for you few veterans that think ytou are King of the arena becuase you have been flying these FM's long enough to be good at it (sort of like my young son who can whip my butt at mario on Nintendo because he plays it alot more than I do)....LEAVE IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR STYLE OF GAMEPLAY. I lioke what we do in the arena and I pay like everyone else. We dont game the game, we do not jeopardize the integrity of the game....we do not hack and we do not try to beat the system. We treat the arena the way it was designed....Seems to me that you treat the arena like the dueling arena.
Also....attack an undefended field? Curious.....how do you attack a defended field? How do you know if it will NOT be defended until you attack it? Should we fly all the way there to see no one up and therefore scrub the mission. Grab a hanky Snap....stop your childish whining and either adapt to our gameplay or move on to the dueling arena. You have not and will not push us out of the arena.
Raptor33
-
Originally posted by raptor33
I have to laugh. On this board, blah blah blah. You have not and will not push us out of the arena.
Raptor33
you guys go ahead and play as you want. you are absolutely correct that it's your fifteen bucks and so forth.
I like the polarization, I like disliking opponents. I also would like to dislike you guys but I'm having a hard time doing so.
if you will allow me to offer this suggestion it might make the game better for you and for us that completely enjoy slapping you down. dude, please, spare no expense, cut no corner and make every possible effort to aquire fighter skills.
for without fighter skills you are just a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. if you have the gift of bombingness and can pork every dar set in a quadrant and know you have blinded all of the axis for hours to come but have not fighter skills you are nothing.
if you drop every bomb with exact precision and subject the entire map to flames so as to make it resemble my next birthday cake but have not fighter skills you gain nothing.
fighter skill is patient, fighter skill is kind it, does not envy bomber skill, it does not boast, it is not proud, it is not rude, it is not self seeking nor is it easily angered, it keeps no record of bomber wrongs. fighter skill does not delight in bomber mischief and evil but rejoices in flaming buffs and leaving avenger parts haphazardly strewn over the cartoon landscape. it always protects, always trusts in 20mm and 30mm bursts into the bomber cockpits and always perseveres until the last box is pixellated junk.
fighter skill never fails, but where there are bombers they will cease to fly, where there is 200 smack it will be stilled; where there is bomber skill, it will pass away. for now we know in part but when fighter perfection comes the imperfect bomber skills will disappear.
when I was a noob I thought like a noob, when I became a fighter veteran I put noobish ways behind me. now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror, then we shall see face to face. now we know in part, then we shall know fully as we are fully known.
and now these three remain GVs, bombers and fighter skills. but the greatest of these is fighter skills.
be reasonable, see it my way.
all the best.
-
Point well made and taken Storch. Fighter skills is something we all have...albeit, some better than others....but we all had the ability to fight with success...but with different FM's than in AH. Not sure which sim is more accurate as it pertains to FM's....but such is irrelevant. We need to, and will adapt to the FM in AH and all the while honing our fighter skills.
In AH for example, the "blackout" threshold is at less of a g-force than in WB's....we need to find that fine line in each new ride we choose. The lack of engine piutch fluctuation is something we are also adapting to....such the reason for so many compressions and so many blackouts. Hell....last night I was in a stang D and I had no idea of my speed, as the pitch of the engine was the same as it was when I first leveled off...I was going over 400 MPH....So it is not lack of fighter skills...it is lack of experience with these FM's.SOmne of you recognize that this is not real life...it is a computer game no matter how you cut it. The more experience one has with a computer game, the better they get. Like my younger son...He became great at one nintendo game, but then was a newbie in the next...then he becmae a pro at that, but a newbie with the third game...and so on.
As for the insults and cursing on 200....We, the avengers ignore such crap. We have seen it many times in the past and sure to see it for months to come. We ignore it like we would iugnore any child having a temper tantrum...Of course, this is not at all directed to you Storch. You have more than proven to me that you are an individual of integrity and maturity. You advise.....you do not try to look like the king by insulting the newbies. Much appreciated.
Raptor 33
-
Originally posted by raptor33
blah, blah, blah. this is not at all directed to you Storch. You have more than proven to me that you are an individual of integrity and maturity. You advise.....you do not try to look like the king by insulting the newbies. Much appreciated.
Raptor 33
well that statement right there will soon produce a good quantity of WTFs from the peanut gallery. it probably won't fly.
-
Not sure what that means storch....but I give up. It is not that you guys won...so dont start the dancing. Instead I realize I am playing a game with a bunch of children. I have two children. I dont need to play with more.
Raptor
-
nothing against what you typed sir. if you allow but a little time you will probably see what I mean.
-
Such is my poiint Storch. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I wrote. I said what I know and I said what I feel. Unfortunately, the responses are not debate responses. Instead they are childish responses...in a nutshell, jerks saying "it's my game and I dont want you playing it".....I dont want to interact with such childish personalities. Yes....I guess you guys won...so go in the corner and enjoy it (dont forget the tissues for the mess). You have successfully made one guy realize that this is not a game for adults. Starting to see why an arena with such a good set up is always so empty. Well, it is now empty by one more.
Raptor 33
-
wow. you do realize that I'm agreeing with you right? once again it's your 15 bucks and you guys are doing exactly what your 15 bucks permits you to do.
sorry If I have offended you that was not my intention. if it were, believe me you would know, I'm not in the least bit cryptic about anything.
-
No Storch...it is not what you said. I thought I made that clear. It is what you predict will happen with what I said...and you are right. Look, I have fouind in this arena that no matter what I say or do, it will be met with ridicule and insults. Such crap does not phase me in the least. Instead, however, it made me realize that my "playmates" are mostly children. I am too old to play with children. There are other sims and other forms of entertainment that I can indulge in that will replace AH.....where I can feel that I am interacting with adults....adults that I can learn from, enjoy my time with.....and create memories for when I am too old to see the computer screen.
Thanks for your help Storch.....no insult or sarcasm...I mean it.
Thanks.
Raptor
-
Hmmmm.....
I cant recall anyplace where I asked, implied or "ordered" you guys to either leave the arena or "change" your style of play. In fact every post i've made regarding you guys (including this thread) has been an attempt to help nudge you along the learning curve.
Now if we go back to last week you guys couldnt defend A4 which was your base of operations. You simply dont have the skillset to project a FAO so the fight eneded up over your base. Since you were operationally inept you couldnt mount any real offensive either and got chopped up piecemeal.
Now this week when I came in you'd already been up for a bit and as I stated had ruffled feathers based on "conduct". As I stated you had 9-3 numbers so to any veteran here its a simple matter to roll a half dozen bases with those numbers. Now my observation is that you managed to alienate (and lose the respect of) those few guys there to oppose you.
Your entirely correct about how the arena was designed or is "intended" to be used. While no attempt (correctly) is made by the designer to force a given style of play arena balance is an ongoing issue. Various controls have been put in place to manage that aspect of the game. So in the sense that your relatively meager numbers can in fact overwhelm the balance (sadly) you can effect the quality of play. This is however balanced by the overall lack of skills you display (for now at least).
Dont confuse ACM and flight model differences. I'm certainly not the best stick in the AvA but I am a former trainer here and reasonably competent in just about every ride. Your fighter issues have nothing to do with the flight model. As a group your ACM deficient and have poor or non existant wingman tactics IMO.
There is no question that to a degree we do occasionally treat the AvA as a type of dueling arena....however its not really "forced" on anyone and is not applicable to you guys.
Lets look at my 1st encounter with the avengers. When I logged on I was told you were high and storch and a few others were under you. I flew to the area in a C205 and found 4 of you over a few friendlies...I popped lutrrel at the top of a zoom in a 38 and then dispatched the other 3 in short order...none of you had top cover, none of you were flying a true wing. Not one of you reacted to my appearance in a timely manner or made the proper adjustments to the new threat. An altogether dismal display and it hasnt gotten any better. Other then running into Frankc's buff I havent been killed once by you guys...
Respect is a valuable commodity, sad to see you guys squander it so early and easily.
-
Lack of respect from some kid who happens to be good at a computer game means very little to me Humble, so such is not important.
Have your fun in an empty arena. Now I know what those guys in the main mean, when they talk trash about you as you do about them. WHat they say, you seem to continmually display. What you say, is simply insulting to them and nothing more. Maybe you are better at flying in the arena than they are....but they have not lost sight of reality. Seems to me you have.
One last thing Humble....seems to me you are one of those guys that says the whole world is nuts and I am the only one who is sane.
-
well raptor as for myself I go into the arena and stay away from the arena with the ebb and flow of the BS. I am one of the best BS slingers you will ever meet in here and out in the everyday world. I have been slinging it since I was a boy, that's what we did we slung smack and if it came to fists it came to fists.
irrespective of outcome the next day it was slinging crap all over again.
that's how it was on the ship I served on, that's how it is in my shop today. consequently I have a very thick hide, I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion or my image. I have a very strong self image and if a person doesn't like me, there must be something seriously wrong with that person.
however I'm well aware that I am a first class grade A undiluted salamander. I love me though so I see no need to change. this is the part where I kiss myself in the mirror.
take these guys with a grain of salt, see if you can get in their heads and see how often you get muted or warned. it's perverse but it smells of ....... VICTORY!!!!!
:D
some of these players grew up in leave it to beaver, I grew up in sanford and son.
-
raptor,
I've never said a single derogatory word to you guys on 200 or here. I've made observations and suggestions. Your actions created the loss of respect last night, I'm simply taking the time to inform you...
Now at times an objective observation may come across as harsh or derogatory but its not ment that way. If you have 9 to 3 #'s then the 3 guys are going to try and defend or ignore you. I actually augered a plane so I could go lift from A37 once I had a clue were you were. The "issues" were there by the time I got on and it wasnt a tough choice to go fly a few with TC, jam and a few others vs play chase the squad.
I think we'd all like to see you guys develop and improve your overall skill set and quality of play. You've got a thread in the squad "recruiting" BBS...you really think how your percieved is going to help you grow?
I'm not in a position to argue the merit of ACM vs FM...but I can tell you the times I run into you (as a group) your suffering ACM realted issues not FM related ones.
-
Originally posted by humble
Hmmmm..... an inordinately long and dull dissertatition by one who should be hunting clues.
dude, get over yourself will you? If you don't I'll reapeatly biotchslap you some more.
-
It is not thin skin. I live in NY, grew up in the Bronx...saw two friends shot to death, and had a gun pulled on me more than once during my childhood. Not proud of it....but it grew hair on my chest at an early age. Wont even get into my time at ground zero doing rescue and recovery for 3 straight days 12 hours on 8 hours off with the best thing I can hope to come across is some poor soles mangled body....yes...think about it....that is what we HOPED to find seeing as all we saw was rebar and dust.
Truth is...other than a select few, I dont like the guys in the arena. That simple. I dont like them. You give me crap...but I like you. Hell...I like trukill too, and yet he has done nothing BUT insult me.....not thin skin....I just dont like most of the guys. I dont laugh with guys like Kong and Humble...I laugh at them....but not a good laugh..a pathetic laugh. I laugh WITH you and trukill...a big difference. Too bad you are the minority.
Rap
-
Originally posted by raptor33
Of course, this is not at all directed to you Storch. You have more than proven to me that you are an individual of integrity and maturity. You advise.....you do not try to look like the king by insulting the newbies. Much appreciated.
Raptor 33
must......resist............. comment...........aaaaaaaaaaa gggggghhhhhhh!!!!!:O
-
just checking thread, have some comments opinions facts and suggestions but , not enough time to indulge all of you right now......
point blank - when suggested and even offered help, the short answer was NO, don't need it , don't want it........from there on it all has gone downhill.........
a failure to communicate
yet, is no different than the rolling of bases ( MISSUNS ) from the horde in the Main Arenas.......just on a smaller scale.......and besides they told us upfront they going to do THEIR thing and fly like this.........they do not respect the arena ethics of side balancing, and oh yes, although I was in the area 1st, they decided to pick my area for their mission, so now tell me I should go to another part of the map.......
and the 1st encounter , I made a nice compliment to 1, about his E Management, never got any social response..........nothing.... .
now they say we are children...... same noob crap, just different noob group......
-
Originally posted by raptor33
Lack of respect from some kid who happens to be good at a computer game means very little to me Humble, so such is not important.
Have your fun in an empty arena. Now I know what those guys in the main mean, when they talk trash about you as you do about them. WHat they say, you seem to continmually display. What you say, is simply insulting to them and nothing more. Maybe you are better at flying in the arena than they are....but they have not lost sight of reality. Seems to me you have.
One last thing Humble....seems to me you are one of those guys that says the whole world is nuts and I am the only one who is sane.
Interesting,
Like most of us here I'm far from a "kid". I have no reputation as a trash talker in any arena that I'm aware of. Out of curiousity how about a single recap of an insult or example of "trash talk".
I'm a good but far from great stick. I rarely if ever get wrapped up in rank or won/loss etc. I fly for fun and enjoy a good fight...I'd rather win but as you've said this is a game and in the end its not really all that important.
Now when we come to the issue of "sanity" lets examine that in context.
We have a number of arena's to chose from. While the AvA is the only "historical" arena it also has the lowest numbers. AH has no real AI so there is no true automated defense like a box game would have. So the default skill level for "capture" is absurdly low.
Now you guys want to come here twice a week for a few hours at a time and measure yourself against this absurdly low standard?. So if you were a bunch of guys playing pickup basketball you'd be slumming the elementry school playground looking for a game with the 6th graders??
My initial post here was observational...
When you conduct yourselfs in a way that causes some of the "old guard" to actively ignore you and decide that the loss of respect your beginning to suffer is irrelevent I think your missing the boat. In the end respect is central to good game play.
TC was the 1st person to censure the poor language on 200...the same person most disappointed in your "game play". Also the single person most capable of helping you polish and improve your ACM skills as a group.
Its awful hard to ruffle TC's feathers or lose his respect that quickly and totally. Seperate from the inappropriate diatrabe on 200 I felt it important to make you aware of the erosion in stature the avengers seem to be suffering. A week earlier jam, myself & others would have provided some real opposition instead we simply went to another part of the arena...
Which really doesnt bode well for the quality of your squad nights....unless you really do want a part of the arena to yourselfs?
-
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
got home in a timely manner this evening. Logged in and took off, had a good battle with Storch...think he was in a 109K4 or maybe was a G6.I was in a spit VIII.........vry good flying storch landed and logged, and I landed and asked where others were.
was 1 Avenger on and 1 no squad fellow ( new player )
they were hitting undefended axis bases.
I switched to Axis and then 2 more Avengers showed up. Noone was talking, saying hello, nothing...more proceeded to take off and fly under radar to differing fields of the Axis.
looked at roster was 7 Avengers now online, and 2 no squad players on same side as the Avengers verses just 1 Knight ( axis ) which was me. I continued to lok for where these Allied players were. I switched to allied and did a few go to commands. then switched back to Axis..
no les than 8 were flying in P51D's flying now over 18K alt or higher and doing RADAR pork runs.......
I chased these high P51D flyers for almost 3/4's of an hour ...........I finally got lucky and got one to turn and semi engage me...he did well, for the most part he conserved his Energy real good. then he misjudged and rammed into me from behind by going to fast I was flying the Bf110-G2 ( or which ever is enabled )
at this time 2 P51s showed up and started winging together, they started out quiet well, about the 3rd reversal/rev I had worked them both into the same hemisphere , now they switched to BnZ front 1/4 shooting........
one plane flys off no where to be seen, the other I am giving chase as he climbs to safety....jamusta logs on and ask what is going on, as I am typing to him and laughing the 1st P51 that left came back and nailed me......no complaints at this time.
I up again, heading toward the last fight and grabbing alt...then here they come 4 & 5 P51D's most making frontal shots.. as far as teamwork goes, this was quite good at anyone time I had 2 P51s flying at me from either headon or from the side.........I get hit in the oil and lose my hub cannon ( am flying the 109K4 now, I am almost about to land and I go deadstick, motor seizes up....as I am fixing to touch down, had a Pilot Wound btw, as I am on approach, I hear a hauling arse P51D coming.......I am like 2 to 3 sectors away from where I left the group 4 or 5 P51s. Well here is a P51 bearing down on me trying to vylch my deadstick plane as I am about to land......I blackout and crash trying to set down........proxie kill awarded to Warmonger of the Avengers.....
well he was so fast had to be doing 550 mph the rate he was moving. I immediately reupped and before I could grab to 1.5K alt off the field I had 5 damn P51d's engaging me........jamusta comes in and gets 2 of them, but I am already beat back down again.all on a field that this squad was not even trying to take, or cap........heck for over a solid hour before these few little encounters this squad made radar knock out sweeps of every surrounding enemy field with no opposition logged on except the lonely 1 axis player ( me ).
about this time, when I had seen and had enough and been beat down again, one of the Avengers gave a I gave a right back. after all, with the actions they had showed me they truly deserve it.
Next, these guys up a bomber mission and fly around the radar circles as if they was in a FSO or in a life or death SCENARIO....and go bomb field 37........
I do not see why they want to bring "fly alone , pork radar so they are hidden, bomb undefended fields, take undefended fields, and slap each other on the back" type game play to the AvsA.......
and they do not show any respect toward how the players who have been here , who even sides until enough are on that they can THEN do their missions, come in here and say they are one of the best, if not the best WB squad. From what I saw tonight, it is no wonder why others had left WB for AH before them, and is no wonder they fly like this. if WB has noone left, then these guys have been milkrunning without opposition over there, or it might be the other shoe fitting here, and the WB crowd got tired of the BS antics and ran this squad off........
Now, Avengers we always welcome new blood, but you should respect the players who have been here far longer than any of you, and if you want to play in this Arena either play with in the paremiters of how we do things, and also enjoy your missions when the numbers fair it, but also be honorable and even out sides when the roster shows 9 allied vs 1 or 2 axis...........
you need to think hard about what you want to do, and either step up or step off!
I hate to say it (well not really lol), but I TOLD YOU!!:lol
This is worse than the MA
-
Hmmm....Maybe you missed my point. Children usually have one track minds, so I guess that ius why you can not see the forest through the trees. I dont give a rats butt about your respect Humble.
When we are offered sound advice we give it a shot....as we did last night. But, alas, this did not please you Humble. Maybe if it were your advice you would have appreciated the attempt on our part to follow it. That, my son, is why you seem to be a child. Stop holding your breath.....we will not give in to you. Off to bed with no dinner Humble.
Hah....We lost respect of others as well? So they logged off? Wow.....take your ball and go home. Childish as well.
Glad to see Avengers have such an impact on your lives.
Oh yeah......as for trash talking.....lol....re-read your posts....some may view that as trash talking.....but you are right...it is not trash talking....it is an inept attempt to criticze in a falsely mature way......which certainly comes across as trash talking.
Go spend some time in the mains Humble. I fear you will be surprised. Saturday morning I was aksed if I wer new and I said yes, but been flying in the AvA.....gotta love the responses on 200. You may have scores Humble.....but many refer to you as an......well, you get the point....actually, you probably never will get the point. I said stop holding your breath little boy......we will not give in.
-
Originally posted by raptor33
LEAVE IF YOU DONT LIKE OUR STYLE OF GAMEPLAY.
:aok
-
Originally posted by raptor33
...........Of course, this is not at all directed to you Storch. You have more than proven to me that you are an individual of integrity and maturity. You advise.....you do not try to look like the king by insulting the newbies. Much appreciated.
Raptor 33
Storch's comment following this post of your was to warn you of the post coming next...mostly post pointing how how much an idiot Storch is, how much a name calling child he is, and how he has the morals of a $10 hooker, all based on how he is "perceived" on these boards. None of his comments were anything "bad" toward you or your squad.
Humbles "suggestions" too I believe were meant to be helpful, and not derogatory at all. I the story he described maybe he meant something like this, to earn "respect", your group of 9 vs 3 had over whelming numbers. Instead of all of your guys engaging the enemy fighters have a few circle about the fight and watch. you can learn about how thew enemy is fighting like this, and it also give the enemy a "fighting chance" in the fight By giving the enemy a chance, you earn respect in the arena, you still "fight your way", and everyone wins.
Humble is just trying to get your guys to think. If you ALL jump on the few numbers, one, its the "gang fest" thats in the main arenas, and those in the AvA arena mainly come to the AvA to get away from that stuff. If you hold back a few guys its more enjoyable for all, and two if you don't "dweeb up the arena" using the gang fest, the "enemy" guys won't get discouraged and bug out giving your crew an enemy to fight.
Sounds like a plan to me. I can't believe you guys would rather just milkrun and have no opposition. Missions are great, but the trill comes from having to fight your way to complete your objectives.
-
One thing for sure fugitive...there are 2 sides to every story. DO not put credence in what certain individuals belive they saw The AVengers do last night. We had a plan and we did our best to follow it. We were not ganging on anyone intentionally....we WERE hitting fields....wed do not vulch for the sake of a kill....
But.....sometimes it is easy to assume intentions were different. Problem is there are a few outspoken individuals that like to sate as fact things that are assumptions.
Last night I flew one sortie. I was an escort with a wingman. Lutrell. He in a 51-d me in the same (no p-38 by the way...so right off the bat someone was wrong). We had alt for a reason. We were escorts. We did not engage right away as it was not worth giving up the alt. We waited for them to approach us...for no other reason other than the fact that we had a responsibility to stay with our buffs until they were in actual danger. When buffs unloaded ord, we then jumped in to have fun. Gang banging? LOL.....sure someone sees it that way when there are 3 cons around him and he dies. But what he doesnt see is that there were also 3 friendly's around him at the same time....but that is not news worthy, so why mention it.
Look....I am spent over this whole discussion. By the way...as for the numbers thing...We, the avengers fly together...ALWAYS. Why? becuase we are a mission oriented squad....that simple.
-
Originally posted by raptor33
Hmmm....Maybe you missed my point. Children usually have one track minds, so I guess that ius why you can not see the forest through the trees. I dont give a rats butt about your respect Humble.
When we are offered sound advice we give it a shot....as we did last night. But, alas, this did not please you Humble. Maybe if it were your advice you would have appreciated the attempt on our part to follow it. That, my son, is why you seem to be a child. Stop holding your breath.....we will not give in to you. Off to bed with no dinner Humble.
Hah....We lost respect of others as well? So they logged off? Wow.....take your ball and go home. Childish as well.
Glad to see Avengers have such an impact on your lives.
Oh yeah......as for trash talking.....lol....re-read your posts....some may view that as trash talking.....but you are right...it is not trash talking....it is an inept attempt to criticze in a falsely mature way......which certainly comes across as trash talking.
Go spend some time in the mains Humble. I fear you will be surprised. Saturday morning I was aksed if I wer new and I said yes, but been flying in the AvA.....gotta love the responses on 200. You may have scores Humble.....but many refer to you as an......well, you get the point....actually, you probably never will get the point. I said stop holding your breath little boy......we will not give in.
I had no problem at all with your bomber mission per se...{which I think actually WAS my advice for the prior week}...
Your actions before I logged in are the core of the "issue". When you have 8 or 9 guys vs a single con (TC) there is no need to pork the DAR and run a "mission" to where he is. When I logged in I made the #'s 10-3 so I switched...and you were inbound to A37 in a high alt buff mission...as per my suggestion for last week...where given the balance it was an appropriate mission.
With a 9/3 advantage in numbers it was unneeded and a bit of overkill on top of your actions prior. I spiral climbed up to you and popped a pony but responded to TC's suggestion we go fly a few.
I fly more in the MA's then in the AvA and am never very "score" oriented in either arena. In fact I fly the A-20 as a "fighter" in the MA more then any other ride.
All I did was bring the subject to your attention and open up a dialogue with regard to it....
For the first few weeks you guys were the new kid in town. Now that your better known this is the 1st time a group decided to ignore you due to the combination of poor game play and lack of overall skill. Nobody logged, we simply ran our own little furball from 11 to 22...right where you were the week before. You keep commenting on score, yet I'd rather go fight good sticks one on one and more likely then not lose vs continue clubbing baby seals pointlessly.
Hopefully over time you guys will continue to mature and grow....
-
Originally posted by raptor33
One thing for sure fugitive...there are 2 sides to every story. DO not put credence in what certain individuals belive they saw The AVengers do last night. We had a plan and we did our best to follow it. We were not ganging on anyone intentionally....we WERE hitting fields....wed do not vulch for the sake of a kill....
But.....sometimes it is easy to assume intentions were different. Problem is there are a few outspoken individuals that like to sate as fact things that are assumptions.
Last night I flew one sortie. I was an escort with a wingman. Lutrell. He in a 51-d me in the same (no p-38 by the way...so right off the bat someone was wrong). We had alt for a reason. We were escorts. We did not engage right away as it was not worth giving up the alt. We waited for them to approach us...for no other reason other than the fact that we had a responsibility to stay with our buffs until they were in actual danger. When buffs unloaded ord, we then jumped in to have fun. Gang banging? LOL.....sure someone sees it that way when there are 3 cons around him and he dies. But what he doesnt see is that there were also 3 friendly's around him at the same time....but that is not news worthy, so why mention it.
Look....I am spent over this whole discussion. By the way...as for the numbers thing...We, the avengers fly together...ALWAYS. Why? becuase we are a mission oriented squad....that simple.
Was not referring to last night on that comment...[was your "fighter sweep" night I believe].
As for "gang banging" I've never been killed by an avenger in a fighter (I did run into one of Frankc's buffs) regardless of numbers so far. So none of this is about sour grapes...hell I wish you guys were better in fighters and I actually offered to spend some time bringing you up to speed....but like TC commented you seem to know it all already.
-
All I see in here is a bunch of blah blah blah, you suck, no you suck, Childish banter.
You pay $15 just like I do. I you play how you want, I'll play how I want. I don't tell you how to play, you don't tell me how to.
No go back on the server's and play nice or I'll send you all to your rooms.
-
We hit dar as that was part of the planned mission. One on or 50 on....we hit dar as that was part of the mission. When it was 9 v 1 we did not need to worry about where to hit and where not to hit. We hit where we did as at the time there was nothing happening there. If there was a furball there, we would have gone somewhere else on the map. Our flights are long. My sortie last night used nearly 100% fuel of a stang D. If I checked thew roster and saw the numbers skewed, should I have augered so I can even out the sides?
Humble..in a furball situation, evening out the sides makes sense. When we are running a mission, breaking ourselves up will not allow us to do the two things we need to do (as per your advice)...learn how to fly as a squad, and learn how to capture a field.
So please...I ask you....what is it that you want from us to make you happy? Continue as lone sticks or learn to fly in the arena as a squad? It is a no win for us.
I agree....if what some PERCEIVE are our actions is true, then I understand why you guys rant as you do. But we know the truth...we are not there to gang bang, or vulch, or jeopardize the integiruty of the sim.... WHoever said it was wrtong....he said what he THINKS we did....not what we actually werte trying to do....albeit, unsuccessfully. ANd as for a couple of weeks. If lucky, most of us get to fly 2 or 3 sorties a night....twice a week. Is this sim so easy that we should be able to get noticebaly better in a couple of weeks? Are you veterans so untalented that in a couple of weeks we should have a major impact on the degree of difficulty of the opposition? I think I give you and the other memebers more credit of your skill level than you do. I mean....look at how long you have been a memeber of the forum....look at tthe thgousands of posts...the years of membership. I believe half the problem is you expect the learning curve to be a lot steeper slope than it is. I disagree...it will take many sorties before anyone on this BB can say that i have improved....not 27 sorties...or whatever it is that I have. I am being reasonably patient.....unfortunately, you guys aren't.
BTW....thanks for the normal response without the little digs. Such is why I responded the same way Humble.
Raptor33
-
Trust me I'm not trying to dig at you guys, I wholeheartedly hope you grow and improve as individuals and a squad. Remember I walked into this set of events {last night} in the middle. Over time you may become a very positive influence in the AvA.
I'll make a couple more observations and then let this go...
1) why not fly one squad night in the AvA and the other during FSO. This is a 250-300 player 90 min preplanned "mission" normally divided into 3 "frames" per set up. It is a "one life" {per frame} event and each squad is tasked orders as part of a broader plan by the commander for that side.
2) you can fly missions in the AvA that are consistant with the numbers on hand. Last week you guys were fighting good opposition both from a numbers and skill viewpoint. In effect you were almost the gangee...not the ganger. Given the current fighter skill issues (for whatever reason) you couldnt clear A4 enough for a mission to roll....hence my suggestions. Here you had the numbers...I never once said for you guys to break up. what I was suggestiing is flying a set of lower level jabo attacks vs high alt buff missions...again with 9...
3 x mossie, 3 x jug, 3 x 38...
38's roll 1st and climb to 8k, mossies roll opposite and run a 180 climbing to 5k or so and jugs follow the mossies. Obviously opposition dictates what happens but 38's arrive 1st and drop ords on town...mossies and jugs follow....jugs are tasked with clearing the mossies inbound with mossies going to a thatch weave defense...if cons pick on jugs mossies keep going...
All 3 plane types can strafe the town down and kill VH/deack well...whole mission would take less then your climb out last night.
3) A lot of people have offered to help you guys with the ACM/FM curve here. Why not take advantage of it? Precisely because you guys arent getting alot of chance to fly. None of us is rooting against you, in fact I think we all want to see you do well. I think as a group your underestimating just how quickly you could improve. But unless you guys give it a try neither of us will ever know....
-
My, my, I can feel the love. I know, you guys told me so. What do I know? Who could of seen this coming? Give me a break.:D
I don't think these guys are griefers. From what I've read I believe they expect to become proficient at lame game play and earn respect for such. When their expectations don't hold true I suspect they'll seek validation elsewhere.
Dweebs of a feather flock together.
Flock you all,
KONG
PS. Rapedher33, I believe the Avengirls misunderstand me. I only post to educate not denigrate. I'm here to help. I'd be happy to give some lessons, just ask. I'm a lousy player, most of the regulars chew me up easily, but I think I can raise your game to my pathetic level.
-
Originally posted by raptor33
One thing for sure fugitive...there are 2 sides to every story. DO not put credence in what certain individuals belive they saw The AVengers do last night.
I was not there but do you really think I would take anyones word over TC's or Humble's? You would have to have my respect before I even consider what you said. You guys already said you don't care about having anyones respect so . . .:confused:
-
I do not speak for the Avengers. Those were my words Dedalos. What he thinks is not him lying...it is what he thinks happened. But I know what happened becuases they are my actions. I dont thinkyou know me well enogh to call me a liar..AGain....his is preception...mine is actual. Oh yeah...and he is entitled to perception....but we all percieve things differently than they were intended.
Died by an HO....I didnt fire....I saw the HO coming and I did what I could to avoid it.....so he fired on me and I was dead. I typed in HO? and he responded with..."it takes 2 to HO"....no...it takes only one to HO...
You see...he truly percieved me as intending to HO him so he did it...and he swears on it....but I didnt. Got shot down last thiursday as I was on my final with half a wing. Not really sure who hit my half plane, but it was the guy who shot off my wiong that got the kill...I am sure. Looked like I was kil;led when unable to defend myself...could have kicked and screamed...but maybe the shooter had an angle where the half wing was blocked by my fuselage? Possible...so no whining about it here.
Guys.....avengers dont gang bangbang and they dont vulch for the sake of vulching. We dont shoot down planes on a final approach unless we dont realize it is a final...and that too can happen...I have seen landings where plane was 50 feet off RW as he passed over RW....is he landing or upping? WHo knows. watermelon happens....but one thing I have learned over the years......what you percieve to be true is not always the truth.....and when I screw up I admit it......I do not lie to get out of it.
-
Oh Lord, sounds like I'll have to swing by and do some squeaker bashing. I might even wing up with my man Storchita... the horror.
:)
-
I had alot more to type, but I feel I'm wasting my time and yours.
-
Originally posted by Stang
Oh Lord, sounds like I'll have to swing by and do some squeaker bashing. I might even wing up with my man Storchita... the horror.
:)
Stang: You are rude to the core on this and so many other threads. If the forum had a squelch option so I never had to view your awful flaming text, I would use it immediately. If I were a moderator, you would have been banned from this forum long ago. Always insults and awful words from you.
-
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
about this time, when I had seen and had enough and been beat down again, one of the Avengers gave a I gave a right back.
Wow.
I mean, wow. We've seen plenty of meltdowns in the past, but I never really thought I'd ever see anyone make TC's head explode. Figures it would happen on a night I wasn't there.
May I throw a few thoughts out there into the blood and teeth I see on the floor?
Thought One: With the possible exception of the DA, I think that the AvA has the most long-lived list of unwritten tradition. Can't really expect that those without any exposure to that tradition would promptly conform to standards that, in the minds even of many veteran AH players, might be considered unusual.
Thought Two: There was a time when AvA play was identical to MA play; only the plane sets (and the absence of a third side) were different. When the numbers died - and there have been many discussions as to why the numbers died - those who remainded adopted behavior expectations that were intended to enhance the fun of the aerial combat. This meant trying to balance sides when numbers were off, not strafing people who were trying to take off and climb into a fight, things like that, so that one side wouldn't simply be overwhelmed and then leave in disgust - thereby even FURTHER reducing the numbers. Pretty basic sportsmanship stuff, really. In the MA war game arenas, "sportsmanship" might be a debatable value, but in an arena that often measures its player numbers in single digits, it's a value that has real meaning.
Thought Three: The AvA may, as Dedalos and Kong and some others fear, return to the no-holds-barred MA standards of yesteryear. For that sort of AvA to work, though, it has to have enough people on both sides to keep the fights fun. Until it does, if ever it does, I suggest that squad operations ought to be conducted with a certain sense of balance. I appreciate that squad members want to fly together, but I don't think it has ever killed any squad to split off a few people if side imbalancing becomes obvious. The Mongrels, the 880 people, the 78th, and certainly the JG54 folks all do this, and they continue to exist, and there is rumor that their members continue to enjoy the game.
- oldman (my brain hurts)
-
The AvA has certain standards and traditions. That is one of the things that makes the AvA what it is.
It is not the MA. It is also not the DA. It is not an anything goes kind of place. Certain conduct is expected, better yet encouraged, that makes the AvA the most respect filled arena to fight in. People are encouraged to switch sides to keep things balanced. Hording is discouraged. Base taking, while still possible, is not the focus. Air combat among the historical plane matchups we all grew up hearing of, and imagining ourselves involved in, is the focus.
People have worked hard over the years to cultivate that kind of enviroment. For a bunch of noobs to come in pissing all over this tradition in the name of "it's my $15 I'll do what I want" is not only disrespectful, it's flat out shameful.
-
Originally posted by Oldman731
Wow.
. . . . . . .
- oldman (my brain hurts)
Hey Oldman, I think now it has to run its course. It will be like this for a little bit. it only took what, 2 weeks for the gloves to come off? Give it another month max and it will go back to the same 10 to 15 guys visiting. Low numbers, but at list you can enjoy some fights with them. Every one plays for different reasons so whats fun for me may not be fun for the others so I am only speaking for my self. Upping a plane and climbing to 15K to shoot at some buff is not fun for me. I can do that off line or take a 262 in the MA and really chase them down.
The other difference is the expectation. In the MA I have no expectations of the other guy. I don't expect a fair fight nor do I look for one. If one happens thats fine. I spent over 30 minutes having good uninterrupted fights with Cobia and some more guys in the MA lats night. So they do happen there but if I get picked it is fine. It was expected. If I see someone coming in for a pick I switch targets and try to give him a face full. In the AvA, I have the expectation of people staying out of a 2 on 1 or 1 on1. Why? Because it is what I and many of the old guys there do. The only reason I log in to the AvA is that expectation. With out that expectation there is no reason to waste my time chasing 190s in a p40. Its stupid. That is the difference with AvA and MA for me.
In any case. About a month from now, the missionz guys will be gone since they will be bored and it will be back to normal. I mean, how many radar towers can you kill before you have to find something else to do? lol. I just hope next time we don't try to fix something that is not broken. It was empty because people do not like to fight. Not fair at list. So, no need to bring people in just to have bigger numbers. Think about it. If people really played this game with the fight in mind the DA would be full and the MAs empty. All this, assuming that the goal of the AvA was good fights. if not then ignore this post.
-
Originally posted by Stang
The AvA has certain standards and traditions. That is one of the things that makes the AvA what it is.
It is not the MA. It is also not the DA. It is not an anything goes kind of place. Certain conduct is expected, better yet encouraged, that makes the AvA the most respect filled arena to fight in. People are encouraged to switch sides to keep things balanced. Hording is discouraged. Base taking, while still possible, is not the focus. Air combat among the historical plane matchups we all grew up hearing of, and imagining ourselves involved in, is the focus.
People have worked hard over the years to cultivate that kind of enviroment. For a bunch of noobs to come in pissing all over this tradition in the name of "it's my $15 I'll do what I want" is not only disrespectful, it's flat out shameful.
And what he said :aok
-
If we split our 9 peoplke into 5 and 4...what kind of cooperative mission can be run with 4 people?
In WB's 277 during its waning days, we used to do the same thing...balance the sides. Problem was, you would switch sides, and then within minutes, the imbalance was there again, but the other way.
When we log on, we do not look at numbers...we are on TS talking about the mission...get our assignments and move forward. We are learning...and learning to do it the right way is what is most impoortant to us right now...not learning to do it to accommodate the requests and demands of others. Not that we are selfish....but we want to get upo to speed quickly...and to break ourselves in two and have only 4 people in a mission will nothelp our cause.
Like I have said beofre....we hit only one area of the map per night...one area...and contrary to what someone wanted to claim was the case...we do not pick an area where a furball is happening. He admits he was the only one on at the time on his side...and all others were avengers.....so how is it possible that we invaded the area he was playing? Who was he playing with?
-
Why play AH at all? It isn't designed for your type of play at all, at least not until the new version comes out. That will be right up your squads alley I think.
IL-2 offers a fantastic co-op mode that might be more along the lines of what you all would enjoy.
-
Originally posted by Urchin
Why play AH at all? It isn't designed for your type of play at all, at least not until the new version comes out. That will be right up your squads alley I think.
IL-2 offers a fantastic co-op mode that might be more along the lines of what you all would enjoy.
Why does AH have a set up made for missions if it is not to be used? Why are you forced to stay on one side for a period of time after switching country's if it was designed for switching countries to balance? Why is there a DA if the AvA is the dueling arena? Why is it called AvA? Why does it have more than 2 fields? Why does it have bombers in the plane sets?
Seems to me that the "rules" were not the intended rules...and we are OK with that. We like to do our own thing and to be honest, with the exception of a few, many like to defend against us.
I appreciate your point Urchin.....but we came in here and we are doing what the game was originally designed for. We respect the fact that some of the guys put together a rule book on their own...and we do not interfere with those rules. But if they engage us, we will do what is expected by those that are mission minded.
The AvA was set up by the designers for our style...and of the multiple arenas. it is the one that we find to be the most historically accurate. The day that AH says we cant do it, we will stop.....but I again ask....if missions were not the intended play, why the bombers; why the multiple fields...etc.etc.etc. Come on guys....the time has come to admit it.....this is your sandbox and you dont want anyone else polaying in it unless it is with your home made rules. Truth is, the only way that Avenger game play can affect your good time is if you allow it to. LOL....last night, we had lots of alt and not enaging for a good reason (nission oriented reason), but you guys begged us to come down into your furball....and if we did then we would have been called gang bangers....its a no win with you guys.
-
I cannot believe this thread has made it to 3 pages and you are still carrying on like this.
How about this deal... when you pay the Avenger members $15/month, then you can tell them how to play. Until then, enjoy shooting the cartoon planes with the red icons above them.
-
Originally posted by raptor33
If we split our 9 peoplke into 5 and 4...what kind of cooperative mission can be run with 4 people?
Try this for fun . . .
You have 9 people on, make the teams 6 vs. 3. Set a goal for the 6 (base capture or whatnot). The other three are "spoilers." I personally think you learn much the FM more quickly on the defense (so the spoilers benefit), and it will also test your offensive teamwork capabilities.
Since there is no time limit in the AvA to switch back, if the numbers on defense grow, the spoilers can move back and support the mission.
And, by the way, many squads in the MAs run successful "missions" all the time with 3 or 4 players. It shouldn't be a problem in the AvA when the numbers are limited.
I would also suggest you tailor the difficulty of your mission to the numbers and/or numbers advantage you have. You don't need to run a 45 minute 9 pilot mission to drop a few radars, for example. Radars are ridiculously easy to kill -- one pilot per base is all it takes. Completely flattening a medium sized field with 9 players is a little more challenging, and will concentrate the fight.
Finally, I will re-state my original suggestion that you announce your mission on 200 and invite opposition . . . that is, unless some of these guys are correct and you set the bar so low for yourselves as to achieve all your goals without fighting for them.
I still haven't made it in while your squad has been there in force . . . looking forward to it.
-
Originally posted by raptor33
Why are you forced to stay on one side for a period of time after switching country's if it was designed for switching countries to balance?
As I said in my post above, there is no time limit for switching in the AvA.
-
why are you guys still bustin raptor's balls? sheesh.
fact #1. it's his 15 bucks
fact #2. the only constant is change
fact #3. the AvA needs a shake up of some sort, this is just what the doctor ordered in my opinion. a group of men who could give a rat's bellybutton what anyone thinks and are going to go about executing their squad nights in any manner they see fit and are openly gay about it.
fact #4. they make execellent targets.
I ask you what could be more right?
rock on avengers, since I don't have the FoSGs to kick around anymore you guys are perfect surrogates. see you's up
-
Originally posted by Tiger
I cannot believe this thread has made it to 3 pages and you are still carrying on like this.
How about this deal... when you pay the Avenger members $15/month, then you can tell them how to play. Until then, enjoy shooting the cartoon planes with the red icons above them.
I'm going to respectfully take exception to your post here, Tiger. The "It's my 15 bucks, I can do what I want" rant only goes so far.
When you go to McDonalds and buy a cheeseburger, it doesn't mean you can go take a crap on the table because you paid for a cheeseburger. Nor can you take off all your clothes and sing "O Sole Mio" at the top of your lungs in the restaurant just because you paid for your meal... unless we live by your credo of "it's my money I can do what I want".
Now, to the rest of the people who also paid for their food and are eating it peacefully in the restaurant, is this fair? What do you think? I'll admit that this scenario goes a little far, but acceptable conduct as a concept only bends so far.
-
Kong you were right. I'm man enough to admit that.
-
Originally posted by The Fugitive
Storch's comment following this post of your was to warn you of the post coming next...mostly post pointing how how much an idiot Storch is, how much a name calling child he is, and how he has the morals of a $10 hooker, all based on how he is "perceived" on these boards. None of his comments were anything "bad" toward you or your squad.
I'm not an idiot, even you can clearly see that I'm not. I'm an stunninghunk and a mighty big and powerful one on purpose, especially to people like you.
I'm not a child, I'm an old man.
I wouldn't pay that much for morals especially if they appeal to you.
you do not need to clarify or quantify my statements. that is for women to do and then to do so incorrectly.
you on the otherhand are probably the most complete idiot I have come across in some time.
go find your short bus son, get back to your village.
-
Raptor33,
you keep on insisting it is my assumption of what I saw and not the actual truth.
You keep saying you guys were minding your own business, flying a mission, yet 5 were on 1.
You keep saying that your group does not gang, does not vulch or does not try to kill people taking off or landing........
I have always posted facts of events......I have to much to lose to fabricate an imaginative encounter .......
I explained that It was Storch and I, who were the only 2 in the arena and we had just finished. Storch logged but 2 had showed up during that time.
and then the rest showed up, and yes it was right where I had been fighting Storch.
now, the TRUTH of it all, is being zipped and emailed to be hosted here, so I can back up my facts, since you keep refering to "He thinks" or "He assumed" the "He" you keep refering to is me.
-
before I email the film, I just want to say that it is great to have another dedicated squad to fly in the AvsA.......
but to debate who designed what and who is incharge of or given powers, you should be informed.
The AvsA Staff are an independent volunteer group who run the AvsA as they see fit. They set the rules and style of gameplay. and HTC has hardly ever stepped in to adjust the AvsA Staff's design or wishes, hardly ever if ever at all......
now, it would be nice to see your group come into its own right, here in Aces High. hopefully it will happen.
only time will tell.
-
TC et al. aren't we taking a cartoon game a bit seriously? posting evidence? surely you are joking sir. who cares?
I don't want to seem like I'm boasting as that isn't my intention and most of you know I'm an average player on my best day and woefully lacking on most days but I had no problem whipping these acolites up to 3v1. at 5v1 they had me but I didn't give my self cheaply as fugitive has suggested.
maybe we should all just lighten up on the avengers just a bit
rap, fully half of the posters opining here never even enter the arena and if they did and I saw their CPIDs on the roster I would whip their cartoon tulips so thorougly that they would stay out for another two years, and they know it too.
any time baybee
-
Originally posted by storch
rap, fully half of the posters opining here never even enter the arena and if they did and I saw their CPIDs on the roster I would whip their cartoon tulips so thorougly that they would stay out for another two years, and they know it too.
Classic Storch.
I love you, man.
-
Originally posted by storch
TC et al. aren't we taking a cartoon game a bit seriously? posting evidence? surely you are joking sir. who cares?
yea, jusst wanted to nix the thought of "my assumptions" of what actually happen..
is all good, forget the film......is the same as the film I posted of another squad where it was 8 vs 1 or 7 vs 1........and I did not fly to that fight either. most of the film is me chasing red dots around on radar. then the P51 trying to vulch me deadstick, the film really is almost to the pin head of how I described my opening post.
they are new, and they fly as a group. This is not a bad thing at all. I will try to accomadate them with providing opposition for their missions, if I am bored and got nothing else to do and there are others to work with in putting up a defense.
-
I can't even imagine anyone ever doubting anything you say TC.
-
Originally posted by storch
I can't even imagine anyone ever doubting anything you say TC.
yes, Storch, I realize I am always right in your eyes :rofl
lets quit yabbing and go fly some
-
heh, I don't know if I would go to that extreme but you are as honest a person as I have come across on the intardnet.
-
I know this is a little off subject so I'll keep it short.
Storch - the way you type, spelling/phrases etc. do you happen to be from, are living in, the UK?
Just curious as I'm from the UK. You didn't sound English on the in-game radio the other day.
Sorry to interrupt the mud slinging in here.
Carry on chaps .....
HRDHRD
Edit!
Didn't realise your call sign was based on "The Storch" plane - silly me.
Just checked the green hearts site and the penny dropped.
So, are you from DE? Do the say stunninghunk there not the US spelling - Lol.
-
Originally posted by hrdhrd
Carry on chaps .....
HRDHRD
Like a short commercial break:rofl
-
Originally posted by hrdhrd
I know this is a little off subject so I'll keep it short.
Storch - the way you type, spelling/phrases etc. do you happen to be from, are living in, the UK?
My guess is either NY or Pennsylvania.
-
I'm cuban, born in cuba. came as a refugee to miami. we live in miami but have lived in many parts of the planet including the UK, either with my dad who was in international finance for the better part of his young adult life or during my military service. after my service I came back to my beloved tropics and the only way I'm leaving is horizontally. frau storch is a new jersey girl so she has northeasternized me a bit but through and through I'm a cuban redneck since I was but a yoke.
mud slinging will resume as soon as I receive some noteworthy hits on my bait.
-
LOL, Storch, you are on a roll in this thread. I almost started to believe you were serious :)
-
another ava thread turned into a storch one ... and some wonder why the room is empty 90% of the time
-
I am serious guppy, well as serious as one should be when one is discussing a cartoon game with adults.
pffft eagler, the guy with the one person squad. get out more sir you might make friends, or enemies but for pete's sake go make something son.
the room is not empty 90% of the time. it has better attendence during east coast primetime than does the early war arena.
the flurry of posts evidenced on this BBS is an indicator of a conflict between participants in the arena. this is good for the arena because strife is what this type of game is all about. where there is disagreement between people it is called contention where there is disagreement between countries it is called WAR. eagler, quit being a pinhead, come and fight.
-
Without a good debate from time to time, you guys would be nothing more than a cartoon on my 6. Now, at least, I know the people that are killing me.
TC....I did not mean to say you were 100% wrong. I was saying that you may have percieved something that wasnt actually happening.....but I was not there at the time so I dont know. . I just know that there are many times it looks like you are gfetting gang banged, when, in fact there are many friendly's in the area....so it doesnt seem to be a 1 on 1 to an outsider. One thing I can say for sure......If the Avengers were in the middle of a mission at the time, we were not jumping into furballs that had nothing to do with the mission and if we were vulching, it was becuase we were on a mission to take the field in question, and we were supressing the opposition.
I know, I know....this is not what our forefathers envisioned for this arena....but like I said....We will not game the game and we will not jeopardize the integrity of the areana.....but likewise, we will not necessarily abide by the uinwritten rules set up by some of the long time veterans. This being said, we will certainly do waht we can NOT to interfere with your rules.....but if it interferes with our learning curve and our missions, this we cannot help.
Come furball night? You can rest assured that the Avengers will follow the unwriutten rules to the best of our ability.
Finally....give us a little time fellas.....getting skilled in this arena will take many sorties....not just the select few we have flown.
Raptor33
-
Originally posted by scottydawg
I'm going to respectfully take exception to your post here, Tiger. The "It's my 15 bucks, I can do what I want" rant only goes so far.
When you go to McDonalds and buy a cheeseburger, it doesn't mean you can go take a crap on the table because you paid for a cheeseburger. Nor can you take off all your clothes and sing "O Sole Mio" at the top of your lungs in the restaurant just because you paid for your meal... unless we live by your credo of "it's my money I can do what I want".
Now, to the rest of the people who also paid for their food and are eating it peacefully in the restaurant, is this fair? What do you think? I'll admit that this scenario goes a little far, but acceptable conduct as a concept only bends so far.
OK... very poor analagy there buddy. You pay $15 to play a game here. A game that envolves a few things.
1) the ability to shoot down the enemy planes/gvs
2) the ability to blow up stuff on the ground
3) the ability to caprture a base
Basically they are doign what they payed for. He is eating his burger, fried, and drinking his shake.
You are the guy who complains because the people behind you have a 1 year old cutting teeth who is crying and runing your fine dining experience.
-
Originally posted by Tiger
OK... very poor analagy there buddy. You pay $15 to play a game here. A game that envolves a few things.
1) the ability to shoot down the enemy planes/gvs
2) the ability to blow up stuff on the ground
3) the ability to caprture a base
Basically they are doign what they payed for. He is eating his burger, fried, and drinking his shake.
You are the guy who complains because the people behind you have a 1 year old cutting teeth who is crying and runing your fine dining experience.
Great analogy tiger...here is a better one...
I am enjoying my fries burger and shake. He , on the other hand, found that he doesnt like fries and prefers onion rings...so he is complaining that I still get to eat fries.
Funny...I saw his analogy about taking the crap on the table and whereas it certainly supported his point, it unfortunately had absolutely no comparison to the situation being discussed.
Raptor 33
-
Originally posted by raptor33
Great analogy tiger...here is a better one...
I am enjoying my fries burger and shake. He , on the other hand, found that he doesnt like fries and prefers onion rings...so he is complaining that I still get to eat fries.
Funny...I saw his analogy about taking the crap on the table and whereas it certainly supported his point, it unfortunately had absolutely no comparison to the situation being discussed.
Raptor 33
Or, he went to the same restaurant he has been going to for years to eat hi burger and fries and some squeaker got in the kitchen and threw them in the garbage. Then said squeaker tells him to STFU eat the onion rings that were left or leave the restaurant.
You can try your dweebness err squad operations in the MAs. They are welcomed there. Why in the AvA?
-
Simple answer dedalos.....we have grown accustomed to plane sets that are realistic. MA has spit v spit.
Look...we made it clear that we are willing to eat our fries away from the guys that eat onion rings.....but if those guys decide to come pver and smell our fries it is not our fault that we are in the same area.....
All analogy's aside...Sure, we may make a mistake and up a mission that may cross over a furball....but as I said, we would not jump into it...unless you engage us.
Likewise to your question......I can turn that around as well....you can dogfight anywhere.....especially the ONE arena set up for it....the DA....why the AvA?
Raptor 33
-
Originally posted by dedalos
Or, he went to the same restaurant he has been going to for years to eat hi burger and fries and some squeaker got in the kitchen and threw them in the garbage. Then said squeaker tells him to STFU eat the onion rings that were left or leave the restaurant.
That analgy would only apply if he was HiTech himself and changed the coad of the game.
-
Yes tiger......an analogy is only usable if all things are equal....I tried to decipher what he was trying to say, buit once again, it did not directly relate to the two sides of the debate equally. Again, it supported his point, but was not usable to the overall situation....so it was useless.:rolleyes:
-
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s laughing, Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s crying, Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s praying, Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s singing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s singing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone’s singing, Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya
-
My question/comment at the start had nothing to do with your goals or flying style...simply your interaction with the AvA as a whole. It's obvious that you guys have made an effort to introduce yourselfs, explain a bit about "who" you are and articulate your methods of operation. All in all I think you've done a reasonable job.
Accordingly I felt (and still feel) that simply putting issues like this out on the table is a preferred course of action. If we look at the realities last week you guys couldnt muster enough "clear air" to get organized and rolling...in effect you were more or less fighting out of your own ack much of the night. Fast forwarding to this week you employed a better operational plan vs a far weaker "foe"...
I think the core issue here is pretty simple. Many of the AvA regulars (of which I'm not really one) have a combination of traits that are often contradictory from an outsiders view. However it really does make some sense overall...
1st and formost is the "fair fight" doctrine...
Normally this is primarily "side balance" driven. However it also can go to plane choice etc. A more seasoned pilot will often take a "lessor" ride when numbers are low. While "1 on 1's" are not always sacrosanct most dont want to be the 3rd or 4th guy on a lone bogie.
So if we view this from a squad oriented mission perspective it applies as follows.
If we look at the 71st we've put up some of the largest fighter sweeps ever in AH (a few 70+ jug sweeps)...on the rare occasions we muster the guys we'll normally get 50 for sure. If we encounter cons we break of an appropriate number...
A single get 2 of us...thats normally it 2 gets 3-5. 3-4 get 6-10...
Is it "fair"...hell no, but normally its a fighting chance. Now the flip is if we are actually running a mission then often 2, 3 or even 4 get just 1...often me or bat or another decent stick who's job is to keep em buzy...
I think this was TC's point. Hey I'm a guy, if your mission is to go bomb dirt then split of a guy or two to slow me down. If your dropping 4 or 5 on me then your really not doing what you say.
If we went to how squads work we'll again use the 71st. We probably could but 40 guys or more in the AvA...and we'd have to run the "A" flight vs "B" or similiar....we couldnt put all of us in.
Sadly the current numbers may make you guys a challenge to the "ecosystem" at times. Not always but at times...
My request is that you guys keep that fact in mind as you conduct your "ops"...and to the devgree you can try and tailor those ops to the current realities.
-
Fair enough.
By the way, on Monday night we had 3 fighter groups of two.....we did our best, for the sake of the mission and survival to dispatch only ONE group (two fighters) per con.....but waited until the cons were nearing range of our buffs. We did not drop all of our fighters on the first con that we had color on.
I emphasize...we tried. Unfortunately, I for one had yet to fly the p51d and I was not prepared for the blackout I experienced....so my wingman was left alone as he engaged....sop another fighter took my place...and I did not get back to replace him with HIS wingman...and well, all of a sudden, mass chaos.
This is part of the learning curve and we will leave it to you to either be patient, or let it irk you...
But in no way are we going to bolt out of the arena becuase we are not up to speed....we will continue to learn and grow....and one day earn your respect...and if we dont earn your respect, we will continue on as we were anyway.
All in all, I believe we have made it clear that we are in the AvA to enjoy ourselves and we are not looking to impede on your fun....but it may happen as we are learning....
Raptor
-
Originally posted by lutrel
But, just for the record, I do not care what you think of us..I do not care how..I do not care how...I do not care that you are too lazy..and I do not care if you think..
Yep, I think you really don't care :cool:
Originally posted by raptor33
I live in NY, grew up in the Bronx...saw two friends shot to death, and had a gun pulled on me more than once during my childhood. Not proud of it....but it grew hair on my chest at an early age. Wont even get into my time at ground zero doing rescue and recovery for 3 straight days 12 hours on 8 hours off...
Let me guess, you were in the CIA, were an F-16 pilot and shot down two enemy aircraft , owned a P-51, and have two PhDs, have bitten by
a scorpion, have a brain tumour, and you don't have the VOSS seal of approval yet ?
-
Originally posted by TimRas
Yep, I think you really don't care :cool:
Let me guess, you were in the CIA, were an F-16 pilot and shot down two enemy aircraft , owned a P-51, and have two PhDs, have bitten by
a scorpion, have a brain tumour, and you don't have the VOSS seal of approval yet ?
Nope TimAss....simply grew up in the Bronx. Never flew for the USAF, never saw military action....heck, had a pretty boring life if you ask me. Have a beautiful wife, 2 great boys...one in college at SUNY Buffalo and the other a senior in HS....recruited to play lacrosse at Hofstra...like to play golf....but no....no CIA, FBI....heck, the closest I came was when I was audited by the IRS. As for the brain tumor...not me.....but sadly, my cousins were left without a father due to one. Glad you can find humor in something like that.
Raptor33
-
Originally posted by Tiger
OK... very poor analagy there buddy. You pay $15 to play a game here. A game that envolves a few things.
1) the ability to shoot down the enemy planes/gvs
2) the ability to blow up stuff on the ground
3) the ability to caprture a base
Basically they are doign what they payed for. He is eating his burger, fried, and drinking his shake.
You are the guy who complains because the people behind you have a 1 year old cutting teeth who is crying and runing your fine dining experience.
I see you (and a few others) have managed to intentionally miss my point, great job. I won't bother to draw you a picture as it wouldn't do any good.
You don't know me, so don't presume to know what kind of guy I am.
-
I got your point Scootydrag.....but unfortunately your analogies did not apply.
Your point is...it is your sandbox and if we want to play in it, it is only appropriate that we play by your rules...and the rules that are accepted by most of the players that have been there for years. I understand what you are saying.
You dont know me either....I am not an idiot....
But using my analogy is explaining my point...it is NOT your sandbox....it is everyone's sandbox.....just because you are there first and for much longer does not mean that newcomers MUST abide by the rules you set...
But out of respect we are making it clear that we will NOT intentionally ruin your fun....but once in a while, it may happen becuase we will NOT abide by the rules you set.....we will always abide by the rules set by the sim designers....and do our best to respect your rules and try not to interfere with them.
I still dont see what the big deal is here.
-
Originally posted by raptor33
I got your point Scootydrag.....but unfortunately your analogies did not apply.
Your point is...it is your sandbox and if we want to play in it, it is only appropriate that we play by your rules...and the rules that are accepted by most of the players that have been there for years. I understand what you are saying.
You dont know me either....I am not an idiot....
But using my analogy is explaining my point...it is NOT your sandbox....it is everyone's sandbox.....just because you are there first and for much longer does not mean that newcomers MUST abide by the rules you set...
But out of respect we are making it clear that we will NOT intentionally ruin your fun....but once in a while, it may happen becuase we will NOT abide by the rules you set.....we will always abide by the rules set by the sim designers....and do our best to respect your rules and try not to interfere with them.
I still dont see what the big deal is here.
Not sure what's up with the grade-school name calling, hope it makes you feel good, but whatever.
They are not my rules OR my sandbox. I never said they were. However you are right on the mark when you say "...and the rules that are accepted by most of the players that have been there for years." This observation (and the unwritten rules of conduct) has been entirely lost in the MA, but still holds true in the Special Events arena and (to a lesser degree) in the AvA. The backlash you are so fervently railing against is what is perceived by others as a blatant disregard. That you recognize it and acknowledge them to some degree puts you above 99% of the "new" crowd, and for that I salute you.
To be clear, you haven't ruined my fun, I haven't run across you or your squad yet, and if you did 'ruin my fun', I would simply shrug and log off, without a ch 200 wankfest or a lengthy diatribe on the boards (of course sans punctuation and grammar).
That's just my style, though. I won't be punching any crying babies in Mickey D's like Tiger seems to think.
-
Hey Raptor,
As the thread name says, it is about respect. When you walk into a place you have to respect the people that maintain it. You have to respect what they are trying to do. You don't just through out there that it is your $15 and act like a 12 year old. You have to have respect towards people in general and display more respect for the people providing you with the AvA. Your sand box their sand box is irrelevant. The AvA is possible because of the people maintaining it and the people that kept it alive by going there. You guy have no respect so I dont think you will get what I am saying.
Nice back pedaling btw :lol
-
Originally posted by raptor33
But using my analogy is explaining my point...it is NOT your sandbox....it is everyone's sandbox.....just because you are there first and for much longer does not mean that newcomers MUST abide by the rules you set...
But out of respect we are making it clear that we will NOT intentionally ruin your fun....but once in a while, it may happen becuase we will NOT abide by the rules you set.....we will always abide by the rules set by the sim designers....and do our best to respect your rules and try not to interfere with them.
I still dont see what the big deal is here.
raptor33,
I see where you are saying it is not a particular group of players on personal arena, it is everyone's arena........and this is absolutely true.
but I posted earlier, and I will post it again......
HTC has the following: Arena Moderators, Arena CM Staff members ( mainly for Scenario's, Snapshots, FSO's, KOTH tournaments, AHERL, etc........... but these CM Staff members also design and set/reset arenas.
Aces High has, the AH SKinner Team, AH Terrains Team, also has Messageboard moderators
now, Aces High / HTC has the AH Trainers Corp ( Training Staff ) this staff has complete rule and say so for anything and everything that happens in the Training Arena........that is indeed the Training Staff's sandbox, and HTC will back them til the earth ends
Also, the AvsA Arena, has basically the same setup as the Training Arena and staff. The AvsA has AvsA Staff......and this is their "sandbox" and they set the weekly matchups, terrains, code of ethics/morals/ moderating / side balancing request and anything else what have you.......and HTC will back these Volunteer AvsA Staff members til the earth ends, just the same....
They let the CM Staff/ Training Staff / AvsA Staff have complete control and design over all arenas ( SEA, TA, AvsA ) except the following: EWA, MWA, LWA, DA arena types.......
so with that said again: you are saying you will fly and abide by the rules set forth and/or requested by the designers of the AvsA which is the AvsA Staff....... this is very good to hear, and am glad you and the Avengers ( I take it you are speaking on behalf of your squad ) are working toward that goal.
now lets move on. When you guys have your mission nights. which I do believe are Tuesdays and Thrusdays? ( correct me if I am wrong about the dates )..IF you request for some opposition or some people flying defense. I suggest you post the time you plan to roll your mission..nothing more, just the time.......no need to post any pre scouting you might do, or post what you are going to do in your mission.....
and I do believe any that are logged on can accomodate your request for opposition. If you do not request any oppostion....then go as you may off on a particular part of the map and do your thing..........
IF you want to practice this squad flying / wing tactics, mission practice, then just so you know: you can do this in just about any arena MA's, AvsA, TA, DA and keep to yourself and practice working as a team....
look forward to seeing you Avengers in the Skkies of Aces High......
-
Originally posted by scottydawg
Not sure what's up with the grade-school name calling, hope it makes you feel good, but whatever.
They are not my rules OR my sandbox. I never said they were. However you are right on the mark when you say "...and the rules that are accepted by most of the players that have been there for years." This observation (and the unwritten rules of conduct) has been entirely lost in the MA, but still holds true in the Special Events arena and (to a lesser degree) in the AvA. The backlash you are so fervently railing against is what is perceived by others as a blatant disregard. That you recognize it and acknowledge them to some degree puts you above 99% of the "new" crowd, and for that I salute you.
To be clear, you haven't ruined my fun, I haven't run across you or your squad yet, and if you did 'ruin my fun', I would simply shrug and log off, without a ch 200 wankfest or a lengthy diatribe on the boards (of course sans punctuation and grammar).
That's just my style, though. I won't be punching any crying babies in Mickey D's like Tiger seems to think.
Sorry Scottydawg....was just playing around with the name thing. Wasn't meant as name calling.....call me rupture...lol, my nickname...
I am not diregarding the rules set by the others. THAT HAS BEEN MY POINT. We have been doing our best to enjoy ourselves in the arena WITHOUT interfering with the gameplay of others. We, at the beginning, explained our intentions and made it clear that if we decide to dogfight on any gioven night, we will not HO, not gangbang and not vulch...and do our best to "fit in"....but on nights that we have missions, we will do our best to stay away from the dogfights, but if you decide to defend or engage us, we will do what is necessary to complete our planned mission. A couple of weeks ago, we announced 0on the BB that we were going to dogfight and although some may think that we ignored the "rules of combat", we did not do so intentionally. We did not gang bang, although sometimes it may seem like we did...we dfid not vulch, although one person claimed we did but no one else concurred...and we certainly didn't.
All we are saying is we will do our own thing and not interfere on certain nights. Unfortunately, when the opposition decides to defend against us they then accuse us of not playing fair. It is a big map. I dont get it.
Sorry for the name thing. Really..... meant no harm. Looks kind of childish in retrospect
Raptor33
-
Thanks for the appology Storch, shows a lot of character to say so.
I agree getting ganged sucks, but unfortunately you can't control other peoples play, and you can't really expect someone engaged, to disengage because more people enter the fray.
As for the Avengers....well I just have to laugh. As self proclaimed "Kings of the WWII sandbox", I doubt you'll have much luck convincing them to play nice.
-
What's all this talk about crapping on tables and such. What if I wanted to eat my fries while on the crapper but couldn't because the shift manager was playing onion ring toss with my Big Mac and trying to feed me her cherry pie?
This thread's getting boring. I just want to ask Rapturd one thing.
As I read your misspelled, mispunctuated, misaligned, misconceived, meandering missives with the fascination of a drive by gawker at the scene of an accident, I am horrified at the carnage but unable to avert my gaze. They are replete with periods, devoid of spacing, randomly capitalized rambling rants and I wonder. Are they sad yet sincere attempts at communication, harbingers of reverse evolutionary decline, or merely a clever ruse to make the reader believe you are an idiot?
-
Aretha Franklin:Think
You better think (think)
Think about what you're tryin' to do to me
Think (think-think) let your mind go
Let yourself be free
Let's go back - let's go back
A let's go way on to way back when
I didn't even know you
You couldn't a been too much more than ten (just a child)
I ain't no psychiatrist
I ain't no doctor with degrees
But it don't take too much I.Q.
To see what you're doing to me
You better think (think)
Think about what you're tryin' to do to me
Yeah, think (think-think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
Oh freedom (freedom)
Oh freedom
oh,freedom (yeah)
Oh freedom
Oh freedom (freedom)
oh freedom
Oh freedom
Oh ya got to have
Hey! think about it
You! think about it
There ain't nothin' you could ask
I could answer you but I won't (I won't)
But I was gonna change ya, I'm not
If ya keep doin' things I don't (don't)
You better think (think)
Think about what you're tryin' ta do to me
(What you're tryin' to do to me)
Oh-oh-oh think (think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
People walk around everyday
Playin' games and takin' scores
Tryin' to make other people lose their mind
Well, be careful you don't lose yours
Ooh think (think)
Think about what you're tryin' to do to me
Woo-hoo, think (think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
You need me (need me)
And I need you (don't cha' know)
Without each other
There ain't nothin' we two can do
Oooh yeah, think about it, baby
(What 'cha tryin' to do to me, think)
Better go baby, think about it right now
Yeah, right now (tell about - forgiveness)
Woo, right now (tell about - forgiveness)
Hey, right now (tell about - forgiveness)
I need to change your mind (think about it)
Baby, baby, baby
(Tell about it - forgiveness)
Woo, tell about it baby (tell about - forgiveness)
FADES-
Yeah, woo-hoo (tell about - forgiveness)
Tell about it baby, you think about it right now
-
Originally posted by KONG1
What's all this talk about crapping on tables and such. What if I wanted to eat my fries while on the crapper but couldn't because the shift manager was playing onion ring toss with my Big Mac and trying to feed me her cherry pie?
This thread's getting boring. I just want to ask Rapturd one thing.
As I read your misspelled, mispunctuated, misaligned, misconceived, meandering missives with the fascination of a drive by gawker at the scene of an accident, I am horrified at the carnage but unable to avert my gaze. They are replete with periods, devoid of spacing, randomly capitalized rambling rants and I wonder. Are they sad yet sincere attempts at communication, harbingers of reverse evolutionary decline, or merely a clever ruse to make the reader believe you are an idiot?
My cover has been blown! Yes, Kong...all you said is true.
-
Originally posted by Chapel
Thanks for the appology Storch, shows a lot of character to say so.
I agree getting ganged sucks, but unfortunately you can't control other peoples play, and you can't really expect someone engaged, to disengage because more people enter the fray.
As for the Avengers....well I just have to laugh. As self proclaimed "Kings of the WWII sandbox", I doubt you'll have much luck convincing them to play nice.
hey Chapel, fill me in on this bunch on our squad forum.
I am half tempted to pop into the AvA Thur. night with some WM's.
-
jamusta and me are going to slap you Avengers silly
:t
-
a player (CPID Bruin) comes into the arena tonight, in a spit in his ack and Ho'n. I call him on it he whimpers some blather and logs off.
I contend that this arena has no need for players who will only play by MA standards.
and I wrong?
-
Originally posted by storch
I contend that this arena has no need for players who will only play by MA standards.
and I wrong?
:rofl Is this the "repeat" part of the "rinse" part. I'm new and trying to get all this stuff straight.
Seriously though, maybe you used the 80 grit when 220 would have sufficed.
-
80? no need to finess anyone son, type what's on your mind. :D
-
Originally posted by storch
80? no need to finess anyone son, type what's on your mind. :D
Here you go, this oughta do the job.
-
lol oooooh a 40!!!! this will polish'm down fast.