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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Phil on November 13, 2007, 01:29:01 AM
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Ladies and Gents !
What is your toughest bomber to shoot down ?
13 months into the game and I think I'm average when it comes to destroying a set ....
Here's what I think:
1) Lancs break easy enough at the wing root
2) B24's go up in flames easely !
3) 88's ! Poor crew !
Those darn B17's ! I'm aware that they break at the fuselage tail area !
Those are the ones giving me hard times ! :mad:
What about you ?
Phil
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B17s or whatever type 999000 is flying
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B-26. Its as scary to approach as a B-24, but has a smaller target area. And if the guys gets pissed he'll pull a peter north on you if you get in front of his chin guns.
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b17's are a pain. they didnt call them flying fortress for a laugh lol.
i flew one last week. lost both drones but i shot down 4 enemy and got back home with a very pepperd b17. had more holes in it then swiss cheese
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
B17s or whatever type 999000 is flying
WORD.....
lol
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
B17s or whatever type 999000 is flying
Agree. :)
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P-38, by far.
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Originally posted by Stang
P-38, by far.
Damnit, beat me too it.
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I have to ask why if Hitler spent so much time in delaying the Me262 so it could carry bombs that the version we have wont?
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B26s, fast and a small target. They used to be at the bottom of this list, for me, because all they used to need is one burst of cannon at the wingtips. But since then the hit bubble granularity has improved and it's nowhere near as easy as it was then.
I used to be able to consistently barrel roll a 262 around a formation with one burst per roll killing either of one bomber's wingtips, effectively killing a formation in about 30 seconds, but not anymore! :)
Lancs are easy, no belly guns and a big target surface means you just come in from under as fast as possible, land your hits and pull off on the outwards half of your pass in an unpredictable way (for the gunners).
Pretty easy.
24s do catch fire pretty easily. Otherwise they'd be tougher than my personal second-hardest bomber -
B17s are slower than 26s but otherwise the best defended bombers. I've always hated having to go against their guns.
67s are made of paper despite being fast and well defended, 88s are undefended, 25Cs are slow and don't even have a belly gun, 234s are undefended provided you have time to setup a pass (just land some hits on those vulnerable turbines)... The only others worth a mention are the Il2 for its toughness, and the 25H for its ability to pull a counter attack with its 8 nose 50's and the cannon if you're unlucky or neglectful enough to fly predictably enough for it to hit you on the outward part of your pass.
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I find b26s to be my toughest bombers to shoot down, along with 17s n 24s. Ki-67s can be tough due to their overall speed.
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Anything high (15-20k+) and fast is tough to intercept. Anything low is dead meat.
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B17 is the toughest for me followed by the B24-B26. B24 is a big target and prone to fires. B26 seems a little more prone to blowing up.
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B-26. It seems to be the most survivable buff for me, and also the hardest to kill.
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When you are flying a Huri 1 they are all scary.
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KI-67s ARE fairly tough. The problem with them is that the gunners are very easy to kill. Last night I took out a 262 but then lost to a 109 cause the only gunners left alive were in the waist. Thats happened to me a lot more then in any other bomber.
So I'd put the KI-67 just a little notch under the 26 and 17. Ive had the B-26 get me home on a spit and a prayer.
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:aok Bombrich in a Ki67 flying mach 2 and spitting lead like he is manning a mini gun. Is the toughest for me.
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If I have a choice I leave the B-26's alone unless they are the only group. That tail gun shoots so low you'd swear it had a belly gun, also they are so fast around 10 to 15k. Easy to shoot down, if you can catch them would be the ar-234's but again unless your in the correct possition they'll run away from you. Ki-67's again if kept up around 15k or so you'll have a tough time either catching or keeping up with them but even with that 20mm in the dorsel turret I don't fear em like I do the -26's. The B-24 and Lancs are about even and usually account for most of my buff kills in a month. -24's I'll aim for the wing root cause they light on fire so easily where as I tend to go for the outer wings on the Lanc's cause that is what I've found as their week spots. The B-25 is just awfull, howly cow are they slow and just meat for the taking. B-17's as far as I'm concerned, come in from anywhere on the 180 degree arc infront of the wing. Also the verticle tail seems to come off quite easy and its fun to watch a drone try to keep formation minus the stab, they'll stay put untill the lead makes any course adjustment. The-88's too are just free kills unless you find yourself in a silly spit or hurritard Mk.1 then I'd give the advantage to the -88's. Lastly the Bostons are also easy kills if your in the correct possition cause they are very fast and will outrun most chasers.
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In descending order:
B17s Hate them. I usually won't attack alone, unless I've had a few beers.
B26s Nearly as bad. I will attack alone. Best to come at them from below.
KI67s Those darn cannons. Otherwise they would be easy prey.
B24s Hit an engine, set it on fire, wait for him to die. Just be patient and you can kill an entire formation easily.
Lancs, B25s and Ju88s are just plain easy to kill.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I have to ask why if Hitler spent so much time in delaying the Me262 so it could carry bombs that the version we have wont?
Just finished reading Adolf Galland's book. Hitler was obcessed with bombers. He looked on fighters as defensive weapons and bombers as offensive. Hitler wanted to be on the offensive, even when reality dictated otherwise.
Hitler had a cow when he learned the 262 was designed without bombing capability. Demanded that it be modified. He allowed one "fighter" 262 to be delivered as a "bomber" was delivered. What a fool. I'll have to check on it, but I don't think any of the bomb capable planes saw action. Someone may correct me on that point.
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Well, seeing as I can't get my K/D over 2 then I would have to say that any bomber is tough for me.
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None of them. With 2x30mm + 2x20mm + 2x13mm the wings come off just the same.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
None of them. With 2x30mm + 2x20mm + 2x13mm the wings come off just the same.
Any fighter with a 4 cannon package is bad news for a bomber stick. Its extremely unusual for me to survive unscathed from such an airplane. The normal tally, if its one on one, is I'll lose 1 or 2 bombers before I can put him down.
On occasion, against such and adversary even on one pass, Ive been thrown out in open air, 15,000' up, with all 3 bombers blowed up.:cry
With all things being equal four cannon fighters like the 190, Hurricane llc, Tempest, 262...ect are almost always going to draw blood. I dont care how tough the bomber is. The FW190A-8 is a particular terror cause not only is it heavily armed but the stick doesn't have to be concerned with running out of ammo it is loaded with so many bullets.
Guys like 999 can lead and fire bomber guns on instinct and Im only just approaching that level. And it took hours in the TA to even get there. And again, there is that one stat that there are no stats for. The one where a bomber is tough enough, and the stick is good enough, to damage a incoming and force him to run to a nearby airbase for emergancy put down. I say "nearby" because we are always much farther from ours "airbases" then they are to theirs. Many times we are actually right "over" their base.
We consider that a "victory" too, even if there are no stats for it. We "damage" far more then we "kill" but dont have the means to follow and finish off. There are some tremendously efficient bomber hunters in this game and we need every edge we can get. A "tough airplane" is the most important I believe.
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B26's and lol at those who are arrogant enough to post the likes of p-38's when they know exactly what the question is....I love people who are pedantic.
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B26's.
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B-26
RASCAL
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B-26s...
For some reason...
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i agree about the B-25 being easy, first time i had a buff dive at my M-16 i put my sight on his nose and opened up on him and before i knew it he exploded but his last rounds found there mark at the same time so we killed each other. i didnt think id be able to do that with the M-16.
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B26's will plummer (sp?) piloting.
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Mussie, Rich46, Nobaddy....I just get lucky sometimes!
Obviously my perspective is the B17 is one tough bird..that is well suited for any Bombing run ....if your hitting hangers, clearing the sky, hitting gv's, or knocking towns down on the deck with the guns..its my first choice. The B17 is only my second or third choice when it comes to sinking CV's.
I would like te B24 but the rear turret has an obstruction that I can't seem to be able to shoot around..an as many have said Burns..baby does it Burn!
B24 also seems to lose gears...I have NEVER lost a gear in a B17.
B26 is an awsome plane..Tatertot's favorite.....a bit more ammo seems just as tough as a B17...and the Speed of I will save you frequently. Yes it doesn't have a ball gun but with its speed a good pilot can put most enemy fighters in the death zone quite easily. Best to think Boom and zoom here. Flying level as enemy fighters attack from the 12 position will get you killed in a B26. A B17 is a great platform for level bombing going full zoom on the guns and letting your SA take over.
I love the Ki67 for base defence... come out of the hanger with 25% fuel and that Cannon nothing jumps in the air quicker and swats flies quicker!
Not the easiest but the most fun way to sink a CV is with the JU88 and its torps..gotta line the cv up on the Bow and get in CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok I talking to much.....
BTW very nice job of 6gun and Lippy and others last night taking my B17 group down it was an awsome attack...I felt just like a moose being hunted by a pack of wolves...a very patient calculating attack ..piece by piece they took me a part..felt like I was bleeding to death..VERY NICE WORK 999000
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Originally posted by Connery
B26's and lol at those who are arrogant enough to post the likes of p-38's when they know exactly what the question is....I love people who are pedantic.
Pedantic is not the correct term, I would say that flippant is more accurate.
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Cobia38 in an A20.
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B17's and B26's are the hardest for me to kill. Lancasters would come in third, and really, I rarely encounter the Ki67's.
On the other hand, I fly the B17 the most, B26's for sinking ships, Ki67's for speedy pork runs, and Ju88's for when I feel suicidal.:D B24's are waaaay too flammable. Poof!
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il2 -if the pilot knows to Ho,negGs flavored with some stick stirr, tough bird takes a lot of torture
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I HATE! 26's and 17's. B-24's are probably easiest pray just cause there so flamable. B-26's are probably the worst though. 1: they are FAST 2: smaller target, yet just as tough as the 17. 3: Tail gun ammo. 1600 can get you through hell and back.
Regards,
Subway
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...I mean, really, do I even need to say anything here?
D3A, D3A, D3A.
Well, when used as a fighter (for straight bomber I love the Ar-234, mostly for the lol factor)... Against... things with inline... engines...
Yeah, forget your people and your Corsairs. I don't like raining bullets on people that much.
It can out turn (full flaps, stalling) a Zero. Only because its stall speed is insanly low (somewhere around 70mph, maybe lower, been a while). The Zero just falls out of the sky. Mind, anyone with half a brain just pulls away.
But never ignore it guns... never... if it's shooting you, it's gonna keep shooting you (1000 rounds per gun, if I remember correctly). And even 7.62s add up over time if you can make them hit the same spot.
Thing is, alot of people do stuff off instinct... They hear bullets, and break. Good thing is, the D3A can break inside most turns.
It can take a little damage... not alot. And it does catch fire. I think it's probably a little tougher than the Zero.
Slow as crap. Like, oh man. Christmas comes twice before you even get halfway to your target most of the time. Good thing (eh) about that is i've lost my vert. Stabalizer going slow, dropped flaps and Dive brakes, and landed.
And there is always that feeling you get when you shoot someone down... More so if it was a perk plane (Oh, wow, someone would have screwed up hard for that to happen...) Because they just got killed by a piece of flying junk.
Only thing I don't like about it are the Iron Sights. I actually prefer to fight from outside the cockpit in it, it's just easier... For me.
All things considered, it's my favorite ride. Atleast when I'm bored. Otherwise I'm in a Yak...
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B26 not sure why, use to be a guy (not sure exact name, going back a while) by game ID of Plumber. Guy was a great shot even attacking in verticle from above he'd tag me.
B17's etc never bother me.
...-Gixer