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Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Tiger on November 14, 2007, 03:57:32 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov14/0,4670,LostFighterPlane,00.html

Crash landed on a beach and covered by sand for 65 years.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Airscrew on November 14, 2007, 04:06:37 PM
sounds cool, wish they had some pictures...

Link at the bottom of the story is interesting also

http://www.tighar.org/
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: crockett on November 14, 2007, 04:17:03 PM
I wonder what kinda shape it will be in with the salt water.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Airscrew on November 14, 2007, 04:32:36 PM
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Originally posted by crockett
I wonder what kinda shape it will be in with the salt water.

I dont think its so much the salt water but the air and temperature.  Lots of things have been found in the ocean after alot longer than 65 years and some of it looks ok.   Probably wont be rebuildable to flying condition
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: SuBWaYCH on November 14, 2007, 04:34:20 PM
This was posted on the S.A.P.P not to long ago. Pretty cool that it is actualy a P-38F.


Regards,
Subway
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: DREDIOCK on November 14, 2007, 05:11:55 PM
Pretty cool story and nice find.

I know its a bit off topic but..

The Imperial War Museum Duxford and the Royal Air Force Museum are among the institutions expressing interest.
The difficult part is to keep such a dramatic discovery secret. Looting of historic wrecks, aircraft or ships, is a major problem, in Britain as it is worldwide," Gillespie said.


Now I like and respect museums and understand what they are trying to do. But their arrogance and statements like this sometimes annoys me.

Why is it whenever it seems something historical is found that they seem to automatically think it belongs to them? And they call anyone that might try to get it instead of them "looters"?

I've seen similar statements on other finds. some of them on private property, where the property owners took some things for themselves and the  site was referred to as being "looted"

There is one story in particular that comes to mind (though I forget the exact when and where) in America with some dinosaur fossels where some fossels were taken by the landowner.

They seem to act as though they are the only ones who should be allowed to touch,hold, look at, or more importantly possess such things.
That one in particular irks me because its not like they dont have plenty of their own.
think about it.
when you go to a museum. for every item you see and find interesting, there are propobly 100 other items locked away in a drawer or on some shelf that would be just as interesting to look at.

Its this arrogance that leads me to think that if I ever found something.. like say a skul;l of a dino. they'd be lucky if I even told them about it let alone look at or have it.."on loan"
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Stang on November 14, 2007, 05:24:45 PM
The story is from Fox News.  I refuse to read it and it must be utter rubbish.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: crockett on November 14, 2007, 05:25:10 PM
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I dont think its so much the salt water but the air and temperature.  Lots of things have been found in the ocean after alot longer than 65 years and some of it looks ok.   Probably wont be rebuildable to flying condition


Yea but soon as they take it out of that environment, that's when it will start the deterioration process and it will happen pretty fast. It's the reason why they put cannons and other aritfacts recovered from salt water in salt water tanks after they are first recovered.

It takes a while to reverse the process.. Gold is the only thing that is not affected from saltwater. It will be pretty hard to restore a plane like that that was in salt water.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Airscrew on November 14, 2007, 06:28:32 PM
it takes you to the forum but doesnt allow the link
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: LePaul on November 14, 2007, 08:26:47 PM
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Originally posted by Stang
The story is from Fox News.  I refuse to read it and it must be utter rubbish.


Why dontcha ditch the tin foil hat and join the rest of us here in 2007  :)
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: midnight Target on November 14, 2007, 09:12:55 PM
Somebody needs a sarcasm detector for Christmas.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: trax1 on November 15, 2007, 12:40:14 AM
This reminds me of the P-38 squadron that was found buried under 268ft of ice in Greenland after making an emergency landing while going from the U.S to England via a route from Canada to Greenland, to Iceland, and on to England.  Very interesting story, I saw a documentary on T.V about it, here's a website with info on it.

Another interesting fact is they actually got the one they recovered back in flying condition after being buried under ice for all those years.


http://www.thelostsquadron.com/p-38-pages/p-38-lightning-history.htm
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: clerick on November 15, 2007, 01:53:18 AM
"Glacier Girl" was the name of the 38, they tried the same flight after she was restored and developed engine trouble, IIRC, not sure if they finished the fight finally.
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Post by: Nilsen on November 15, 2007, 04:22:32 AM
I hope they restore that p38 bomber to musem condition atleast. Canada should be proud to have designed and buildt such a pretty bomber and its Rolls Royce engines sounds fantastic. Some say its the granddaughter of the F16 Eagle, but as the P38 is twin engined id say its the grandson of the F15 Fighting Falcon or maybe the F-4 Tomcat.

They are ofcourse all copies of russian designs.
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Post by: scottydawg on November 15, 2007, 07:02:45 AM
Here is an article with picture:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/world/article/0,1299,DRMN_32_5747281,00.html
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: DREDIOCK on November 15, 2007, 07:14:32 AM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I hope they restore that p38 bomber to musem condition atleast. Canada should be proud to have designed and buildt such a pretty bomber and its Rolls Royce engines sounds fantastic. Some say its the granddaughter of the F16 Eagle, but as the P38 is twin engined id say its the grandson of the F15 Fighting Falcon or maybe the F-4 Tomcat.

They are ofcourse all copies of russian designs.


:confused:

Cracking the seal on one a bit early today arent we?

LMAO
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: scottydawg on November 15, 2007, 07:21:06 AM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
:confused:

Cracking the seal on one a bit early today arent we?

LMAO


I think it's beer o' clock in Norway already.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Nilsen on November 15, 2007, 07:23:24 AM
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I think it's beer o' clock in Norway already.


Its beer o' clock every hour on saturdays. Only weekdays are alcohol free when you work. Warming up for FSO
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: scottydawg on November 15, 2007, 07:24:13 AM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Its beer o' clock every hour on saturdays. Only weekdays are alcohol free when you work. Warming up for FSO


It's already Saturday in Norway?  That's awesome. :D
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Nilsen on November 15, 2007, 07:24:57 AM
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Originally posted by scottydawg
It's already Saturday in Norway?  That's awesome. :D


Yeah why? We are 6 hours ahead of US time.
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: scottydawg on November 15, 2007, 07:29:25 AM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yeah why? We are 6 hours ahead of US time.


You need to use better bait. ;)
Title: Oldest P-38 in existance found
Post by: Angus on November 15, 2007, 07:44:46 AM
BBC version
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/north_west/7076941.stm

Icelandic one with a nice pic

http://www.mbl.is/mm/frettir/erlent/frett.html?nid=1302997

Trying the pic-link

(http://www.mbl.is/frimg/4/44/444877A.jpg)