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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: bigrich on November 14, 2007, 07:55:49 PM
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I think we should get the King tiger tank it would be a great addition to the game.
Number Built:487
Weight:68.5 tons(initial turrent)
69.8 tons(production turrent)
length:7.61 m
10.286 m with gun forward
width: 3.755 m
height:3.09 m
crew:5(commander, gunner, loader, radio operater, driver)
Armor:25-180 mm
Primary armament:1x8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
secondary armament:2x7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34 4,800 rounds
Engine:V-12 Maybach HL 230 P30
700 PS (690 hp, 515 kW)
Power/weight:10 PS/tonne
transmission:Maybach OLVAR EG 40 12 16 B (8 forward and 4 reverse)
suspension:torsion-bar
operational range:170 km
speed:41.5 km/h
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_tiger
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what a cuincedence, i found a magizine about the king tiger today =). looks like a good addition for the game:aok
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I honestly dont think we need anymore one-shot kill super tanks. The Tiger and FireFly are enough.
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This is the last thing we need for AH. It is tied with the n00k at the bottom of the AH wishlist. The Tiger already kills everything 1 shot. Bringing a King tiger into the game is like a Volkswagen taking on a Ferrari. It just blows everything else away. What we need are new aircraft, not new tanks.
Regards,
Subway
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And Wikipedia isn't a reliable "source", since it isn't one. Need to get your proof from other sites besides Wiki.
Regards,
Subway
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A King Tiger would certainly fit the bill as a ENY 5 GV.
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ENY -20
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Greetings,
If I may, prior to King, we need:
Sherman M4A1 and M4A3
Pnzr III G and J
Pnzr IV F1 and F2
Marder II / III
T34 76C and 85
Su 85 and 100
Su 76
Stug IIIF and 42
US TD M10
Ger Halftracks SdKfz from 6, 7, 10 and 251
Ger Armored Cars SdKfz 231/232
Cruiser Tank, Crusader
Infantry Support Tank, Matilda
Hey, its called a wish list! :)
Regards,
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Originally posted by bigrich
Because of those damn fireflies I can't spawn camp anymore in a tiger. So I need something more UBER.
That's what I'm getting anyone else?
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Originally posted by Bronk
That's what I'm getting anyone else?
Yep.
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I say we get it and add in all the suspension and engine problems it was plagued with. Would be great to watch a tank just break down without taking any hits.
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no problem here with new gv , but the king tiger, no , there are lots of gv that need represented before a super uber king tiger
IMO if the uber tiger is not doing it for you ,,spend more time at the range
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
And Wikipedia isn't a reliable "source", since it isn't one. Need to get your proof from other sites besides Wiki.
Regards,
Subway
As strange as it may sound, studies had shown Wikipedia has been found to be as accurate as Encyclopaedia Britannica.
It isn't as bad is one would imagine.
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First I think we need to fix the Sherman we already have. King Tiger only got a max speed of 24mph, and last I checked the Firefly only goes 25mph in AH2. I know the sherman ain't that slow....unless the over sized gun has something to do with this. In that case could someone enlighten me on if the Firefly did go this slow?
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Originally posted by Latrobe
First I think we need to fix the Sherman we already have. King Tiger only got a max speed of 24mph, and last I checked the Firefly only goes 25mph in AH2. I know the sherman ain't that slow....unless the over sized gun has something to do with this. In that case could someone enlighten me on if the Firefly did go this slow?
I believe the firefly is significantly heavier because of gun and upped armor.
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i would rather see British tanks then to see an Tiger with more armor.
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on the list of tanks we need you are mising the grant, stuart, IS 1 and 2 which own with 122mm guns and chichill and i know i just buchard the spelings of all those names
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Originally posted by splitatom
VansCrew is a traitor and deserves to be shot!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl you better get someone better then you to do it,you cant even shoot yourself.
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Originally posted by MWL
Crusader
Infantry Support Tank
I love that one, was a BIG asset in the north african campaign. This one would fit the bill for a good british tank...
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by Scca
As strange as it may sound, studies had shown Wikipedia has been found to be as accurate as Encyclopaedia Britannica.
It isn't as bad is one would imagine.
Britanica isn't a source either. Both Wiki and Britanica are abbreviated articles that have footnotes. Those footnotes are sources and either Wiki or Britanica can be used to find those.
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Originally posted by Scca
As strange as it may sound, studies had shown Wikipedia has been found to be as accurate as Encyclopaedia Britannica.
It isn't as bad is one would imagine.
I'm far too lazy to look it all up again, but the so-called "study" that came to that conclusion tremendously flawed.
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I would like to see the "dog and pony show",i don't know much about it but i heard it was an awesome tank.
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i have shot vans down many times
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You can keep your King Tiger .....i want a Su-100
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I see your King Tiger, and raise you a Überschwerer Kampfschreitpanzer
(http://www.ceticismoaberto.com/news/media/mobilefortress.jpg)
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How about a sturmtiger that's a freakin naval gun on a tank the nazis actually used it in a revolution. It's just a thought and with a bunch of those you could take over all the bases with a few shots from your guns. And if you get shot insted of blowing up they should be blown away.
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"And Wikipedia isn't a reliable "source", since it isn't one. Need to get your proof from other sites besides Wiki."
good luck with that sub... it's a horrid site and should be burned. Keep the Tiger, Firefly, and that King Tiger... give me my Hetzer! hell even a StuG IIIF/8 or G and id give HiTech all the beer in my town.
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
I love that one, was a BIG asset in the north african campaign. This one would fit the bill for a good british tank...
Regards,
Subway
Of course you'd need some infantry to support first. Unless it just wants to sit
by the maproom and watch them run by :D
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Originally posted by Shade_Empire09
How about a sturmtiger that's a freakin naval gun on a tank the nazis actually used it in a revolution. It's just a thought and with a bunch of those you could take over all the bases with a few shots from your guns. And if you get shot insted of blowing up they should be blown away.
Nope, it's got a 38cm low velocity mortar. Lots of punch, nevertheless.
Regards,
Matt
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Maybe he means Jagdtiger.
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Mause.
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well i say that the king tiger whould not be far to t34s and shuch
you cant kill them with out geting 5 feet away from them
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Originally posted by bigrich
I think we should get the King tiger tank it would be a great addition to the game.
Number Built:487
Weight:68.5 tons(initial turrent)
69.8 tons(production turrent)
length:7.61 m
10.286 m with gun forward
width: 3.755 m
height:3.09 m
crew:5(commander, gunner, loader, radio operater, driver)
Armor:25-180 mm
Primary armament:1x8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
secondary armament:2x7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34 4,800 rounds
Engine:V-12 Maybach HL 230 P30
700 PS (690 hp, 515 kW)
Power/weight:10 PS/tonne
transmission:Maybach OLVAR EG 40 12 16 B (8 forward and 4 reverse)
suspension:torsion-bar
operational range:170 km
speed:41.5 km/h
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_tiger
This scares me...I get killed enough in a regular Tiger by M8s :lol
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Originally posted by MWL
Greetings,
If I may, prior to King, we need:
Sherman M4A1 and M4A3
Pnzr III G and J
Pnzr IV F1 and F2
Marder II / III
T34 76C and 85
Su 85 and 100
Su 76
Stug IIIF and 42
US TD M10
Ger Halftracks SdKfz from 6, 7, 10 and 251
Ger Armored Cars SdKfz 231/232
Cruiser Tank, Crusader
Infantry Support Tank, Matilda
Hey, its called a wish list! :)
Regards,
Good list, add in the M18 and Id be perfectly happy.
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KING TIGER AND SHERMAN M4A3 WOULD BE AWESOME
BESIDES THE FIREFLY WOULD KILL THE KING TIGER
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Originally posted by WMLute
I see your King Tiger, and raise you a Überschwerer Kampfschreitpanzer
(http://www.ceticismoaberto.com/news/media/mobilefortress.jpg)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
*takes a breath before passing out*
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
now we know why poland fell so soon...
their pilots forgot to load tow-cables
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Originally posted by AirFlyer
I say we get it and add in all the suspension and engine problems it was plagued with. Would be great to watch a tank just break down without taking any hits.
Quoted for Truth.
You can have it as long as the overall crappiness and unreliability is modeled. ;) Don't forget the turret traversal was about 1/2 the speed of any other heavy tank in WWII. Considering JUST that factor, probably the KT would be about as utilized as the Judy after the first week.
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Why another german tank...IT's a tiger with more armor,and with the UBER M4 it's just another tank.
We need More Allied tanks.We need more Axis tanks that are not german.
I found a good page that has a list of all the Tanks of WW2 and where they came from.
http://www.military.cz/panzer/index_en.htm
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I agree with Van on this. Need better representation of all countries involved. No to the Super Uber King right now. It would be a great addition down the road a bit.
Oink
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well if we arnt going to ad the tiger lets go even beter the bear only 2 built and they are storyies that they both sluged it out with rusian tanks they were huge they had to have been transported in parts to the front they were powered by desil engens that were used in U-Boats they were going to make a flakwing version the armerment was going to be duel 88's i think the main gun on the main one was going to be an 8 inch navel gun that was used on the pocket battleships
yes we should get the main tanks insted of super tanks we could use the panther it was like a t-34 also the churchil and the sherman m4a2:aok
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Originally posted by splitatom
well if we arnt going to ad the tiger lets go even beter the bear only 2 built and they are storyies that they both sluged it out with rusian tanks they were huge they had to have been transported in parts to the front they were powered by desil engens that were used in U-Boats they were going to make a flakwing version the armerment was going to be duel 88's i think the main gun on the main one was going to be an 8 inch navel gun that was used on the pocket battleships
yes we should get the main tanks insted of super tanks we could use the panther it was like a t-34 also the churchil and the sherman m4a2:aok
No german "superheavy" ever saw combat....ever. The heaviest to see action was the Jagdtiger at 71 tons...
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we need at least 1 japanese tank before we add anything else
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the problem with the jap tanks is they were lightly armored, undergunned and out dated. Sure you could add them in but whos really honestly going to use them vs a panzer or tiger or firefly sherman?
Id like to see some of the american WW2 tanks, british tanks and maybe even some french tanks. List below:
M18 Hellcat (yes, a Tank Destroyer... )
Charron B1
Renault R-35 (If lighter similar jap tanks are added)
M 40,41,42 (Italian tank, 75mm main gun)
SU-76 (yes another tank destroyer)
SMK (Interesting with 2 turrets)
M3 A1 Stuart
M3 A3 Lee
M.26 Persching
M3 A5 Grant
Churchill MK VII
Mk VIII Cromwell
Comet
Heavy tank Type 91
Sentinel
Anti-Aircraft Tank Skink
ALL of those would be better choices AHEAD of the "king" tiger... which had notorious breakdown issues and was deployed in horridly low numbers
*tank info care of http://www.military.cz/panzer/index_en.htm
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How about HT just model the existing tanks correctly. Fireflys getting hit once by anything should kill it with maybe exception of the M8, but the M8 in here seems to be able to kill anything anyway.
Van forget the British tanks, they were underguned and weren't good for much other than infantry support. They would just be cannon fodder. If tank on tank battles is what people want then HT should just stick to Russian or German examples, latter model American tanks wouldn't be bad either.
The chances that we see any new GV is low. Heck there still are a few Spit variants left, how bout another Spit HT we have around 30 already !
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British tanks undergunned? Definately in mid-war, but no more so than the americans seeing as most of the brit tanks were american. Late war the brits pretty much tried to bolt on a 17pounder to whatever they could find.:D
Late war for the brits could be the comet, it looks pretty awesome. The churchill AVRE would be kind of interesting to have.
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Big, there were more than a few british tanks armed with the same gun that the firefly uses. Id hardly call that undergunned. Yes they had lighter tanks for infantry support but even those could be put in as their guns are equal or bigger than the current M8's loadout.
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There were a few British tanks that did have the 17pndr. The Firefly and Achilles were American tanks with British main guns so they don't really count as British. The only Brit tank that was designed with a 17pounder was the Challenger. However none of these tanks really had any battlefield survivability like the German AFV's which ment that they could be knocked out at greater range than they could knock out a equally armed German tank. Also the British tanks had their share of mechanical problems just like the Germans. Most British tanks had low velocity 75mm of less as main guns and were of little use against thick armored German tanks. The British were far behind the Germans in tank design and tactics and were pretty much decimated at Normandy. The Allies really hadn't come up against late war German armor until then. Only 100 or so of the American Sherman's that were unloaded at Normandy had the 76mm high velocity gun really capable of knocking the Panther, Tiger and other late war German variants out. But again a Sherman could be taken out at over 3000 yrds straight on at it's thickest armor by all German tank and jadg tanks main guns.
The Russian chose to just use higher caliber guns rather than high velocity ones, hence the 100mm, 122mm, 152mm main guns. They also had battlefield survivability unlike the before mentioned. I think a few tank destroyers would be the best addition if thet were going to introduce new GV's.
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The Stewart, Panther, Wolverine and a normally gunned Sherman would be nice additions.
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Originally posted by BigPlay
How about HT just model the existing tanks correctly. Fireflys getting hit once by anything should kill it with maybe exception of the M8, but the M8 in here seems to be able to kill anything anyway.
I don't know where you people keep getting this bunk -- oh yeah, I remember, "reputation" instead of "reality."
The Firefly is modeled just fine. Shermans had as much or better armor than the T-34/76 and PzkwIV. I find them to be just as killable in the game as these two from the side or rear -- as it should be. Due to the sloping armor, they are harder to kill with a frontal shot than the non-sloped PzkwIV -- as it should be.
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have you ever heard of a rumor before it might have because it was at the nazi testing grounds in poland and there are many claims of it actualy fighting rusian tanks the russians have one of them in a museam:p are you jokeing a t 34 had less armor than a sherman it had slopeing armor :rofl a t 24 could servive a hit from a panzer 4 and it could take out a tiger if it ramed it a sherman mached well with the panzar 4 well at least the m4a2 which had a higher volocity gun than the original sherman:aok
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
And Wikipedia isn't a reliable "source", since it isn't one. Need to get your proof from other sites besides Wiki.
Regards,
Subway
Actually that information is quite correct.
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Originally posted by E25280
I don't know where you people keep getting this bunk -- oh yeah, I remember, "reputation" instead of "reality."
The Firefly is modeled just fine. Shermans had as much or better armor than the T-34/76 and PzkwIV. I find them to be just as killable in the game as these two from the side or rear -- as it should be. Due to the sloping armor, they are harder to kill with a frontal shot than the non-sloped PzkwIV -- as it should be.
Actually I get this information from my 300+ book library. I have numerous books on main gun penetration for most main battle and tank destroyers in relation to angle, range and armor thickness. I also have a WW2 history related business for the last 15 years so I do read about the subject often. I don't claim to be the end all in knowlege but I do have more than most in relation to what were talking about.
The Fireflys armor was on equal term with early T-34's and all MkIV's but not with the Tigers and the Tiger's gun was just as capable as the Firefly's. My problem is I have hit Firefly's 2-3 times and died one shot from the same Firefly that I hit while I was in a Tiger. Now according to the information I have come across that shouldn't be happening. Sherman's caught on fire rather easy when hit and a Sherman hit by a Tiger should always be a one shot kill at greater distance that a Firefly can kill a Tiger. I also have hit Firefly's a number of times in a Panzer without doing anything, again that shouldn't be happening. Iam sure there is many out there with the same problem.
The T-34 in my opinion is a little too hard to kill by Panzer's as well. I have hit many 3-4 times without slowing them down. I have killed Fireflys and T-34's one shot maybe 50% of the time but with a Tiger it should be one shot one kill.
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You know what, ive used ALL 4 tanks and seen each killed with one shot, no advantige on any of them, but there is one at long distance shooting, tigers take more hits from a panzer, and i dont know about the sherman in this game, long distance you can bounce shells off an M-8 all day ive done it, even an osty at long distance it took 8 hits so i dont know whats up with that but go ahead and have the king tiger as long as the M36 GMC is there too as it can take on any german tank. tit for tat there.