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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: stephen on November 14, 2007, 10:01:51 PM
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i wonder why it takes so long to generaly add more vehicles to this game, when so many other companys seem to do more in less time,less staff? Perhaps I could give 500$ toward the addition of a a26, would that help?
questions comments?
oh yes and I do have the cash to give 400 the first week and 100 the next thank you HT and staff
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learn to fly the ones we got.
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Originally posted by stephen
oh yes and I do have the cash to give 400 the first week and 100 the next thank you HT and staff
I havn't a single comment on this, other then this: #1: HTC isn't the mafia, he pays for it himself, I havn't a clue if it even costs money. #2: Your doing your part by payin 15$'s a month, so no point in even offering.
I was gonna post something way outta line at this, but I held it back.
Listen to what Lute said!
Regards,
Subway
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HTC does except bribes :) Its in his signature.
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ok final offer, ill give you guys 800$ in two payments of 400$ for an a26, a week apart for each payment, give me a mailing address, 1st I require a bill of sale stating what is to be deliverd and a time frame, my email is stephenholmes2006@yahoo.com ,please write me and ill forward a p.o. box for you guys to return a contract.
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HiTech can be bribed.
Just click the link in his sig that says ForBribes (http://www.internetwines.com/pa95154.html)
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OMG! If this actually works, do you know what havoc will ensue? :t
My Grandpa flew the A-26, hell of a bird...
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I can't take this spammer. He's said on 5 diffrent topics that he wants new things. I hope you get PNG'd ya big dweeb. You can't handle the current planeset, so go fly IL2 or somethin.
Up Yours/Regards,
Subway
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since we are dropping coin..
I will pay $200 for a flying slice of pizza armed with 2 pepperoni slice cannons and backed up by black olive MGs..
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ill see your pizza and add a shaker of salt, with a side of bacon bits!
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You need to look at the reality of how much historical research and data they need to go through to get these representations of the real thing as accurate as possible, and yet playable for us subscribers. It simply takes time.
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deal, but the bacon bits will carry a slight perk value due to PORK content
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All I want is a P-39. Imagine flying that thing around with full flaps and that funky CoG it has.
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go to the nearest airport ... sit in middle of the runway .
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak
up yours,
Subway
stfu.
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This reminds me. Isn't the McRib out for a limited time again?
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I have a comment. Bribe Dale all you want. You won't see the A-20. And he'll drink Scotch for free. Win-win in my book.
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Originally posted by Stang
I have a comment. Bribe Dale all you want. You won't see the A-20.
Strange... I can see it already in game. Even without providing any scotch.
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stephen, PLEASE take a xanax, pay attention in english class & have a few more birthdays before your next post.
Geez I have my one big pet peeve with the game but I dont work it into EVERY post I make... (Only about 1/3 of them, thank you!)
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Originally posted by Lusche
Strange... I can see it already in game. Even without providing any scotch.
Whups.
:D
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Just so you know HT told me 200 cases for a MK XII spit.
I'm figuring for a whole new AC better double that.
:noid
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Originally posted by Lusche
Strange... I can see it already in game. Even without providing any scotch.
Lusche, I'm thinking stang had too much scotch.;)
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Originally posted by stephen
Perhaps I could give 500$ toward the addition of a a26, would that help?
questions comments?
Take a ride on Mr. Peabody's Way-Back Machine to 1996. When you get there do a web search for Air Warrior/ Macintosh. There you'll find an A-26 complete with 10 minutes of non-stop 50 cal ammo :aok
Good luck.
ps You'll need a Macintosh :D
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pps And a way-back machine.
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Originally posted by Arlo
This reminds me. Isn't the McRib out for a limited time again?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/d1rtyE/HomerRibWich-vi.gif)
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(waiting patiently for stephen to build his own game so we can see how long it really should take to do things right)
Other than that, not much to add :)
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Originally posted by ROC
(waiting patiently for stephen to build his own game so we can see how long it really should take to do things right)
Other than that, not much to add :)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Give the guy a break, he's asking for something we all want, more a/c
Too many brown nosers in here, aka fanbois
wopas
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Originally posted by wipass
Give the guy a break, he's asking for something we all want, more a/c
Too many brown nosers in here, aka fanbois
wopas
More aircraft will not take care of the central AH issue.... 3 Planes already take up 60% of the sorties.... and it's not just the noobs that are flying em boys.
You people aren't flying the damn planes hitech already made.... why would he pay someone to make more?
:huh
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Originally posted by MORAY37
3 Planes already take up 60% of the sorties....
Not in this game
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2263/unbenanntke7.jpg)
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Very nice piece of work Lusche sir!
Amazing how well balanced it is actually.
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wow, I can't belve 110 is that high on the list...
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
wow, I can't belve 110 is that high on the list...
Regards,
Subway
Why? I see them a lot. Usually they play a vital part in most base captures. There is still no better town killer in game after all.
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I know I know, but the K/D ratio is what amazes me. I shoot down a hell of a lot of 110's, don't know how they manage to keep it up that high, because they are pretty easy pray for most fighters....
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
I know I know, but the K/D ratio is what amazes me. I shoot down a hell of a lot of 110's, don't know how they manage to keep it up that high, because they are pretty easy pray for most fighters....
Regards,
Subway
Hmm... K/D was not mentioned in my posting.
110G's K/D is usually quite low, in the 0.8 range or even less.
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Oh, my bad Lusche, I thought there was a "/" instead of a "&" in there.
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
Oh, my bad Lusche, I thought there was a "/" instead of a "&" in there.
Regards,
Subway
Here ya go: ;)
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/161/unbenanntcj7.jpg)
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Originally posted by stephen
i wonder why it takes so long to generaly add more vehicles to this game, when so many other companys seem to do more in less time,less staff? Perhaps I could give 500$ toward the addition of a a26, would that help?
questions comments?
oh yes and I do have the cash to give 400 the first week and 100 the next thank you HT and staff
Why dont you just give me the $400 and let some of the hot sticks in here try to teach you how to fly some of the obscure rides. No sense in stirring a pot that cant be stirred. Learn to fly the ones we got!
JUGMAN The ultimate American Male
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Originally posted by stephen
ok final offer, ill give you guys 800$ in two payments of 400$ for an a26, a week apart for each payment, give me a mailing address, 1st I require a bill of sale stating what is to be deliverd and a time frame, my email is stephenholmes2006@yahoo.com ,please write me and ill forward a p.o. box for you guys to return a contract.
You know the staff members at the HTC office probabally pissed themselves from laughter when they read this
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Pissed themselves and then puked until dry heaving.
Picture that!
JUGMAN
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I will give HTC an empty refridgerator box if they will add a towable manable AT/AA 88mm
The box would make a great fort :)
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Originally posted by Meatwad
I will give HTC an empty refridgerator box if they will add a towable manable AT/AA 88mm
The box would make a great fort :)
They gave away a giant screen T.V. where I worked once. Yes people tried hard to win it, but the REAL battle was for the box it came in.
Me and at least a dozen people went to war for a week on who would get that huge box. I won out, and my kids had a great fort for a month.
Boxes rule!
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Originally posted by Lusche
Not in this game
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2263/unbenanntke7.jpg)
Sir, I do love your graphs.. but those are for kills and deaths.
Could I see one for sorties?
I think that may be telling.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Not in this game
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2263/unbenanntke7.jpg)
You know, all those rooks that up in spixteens and lala's and land... not counted there ,sir, in that graph. And then there's the AK's that fly and land P51's all night long.... also not in your graph.
I said... in SORTIES... not kills of and deaths in.
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Spitfire Mk XVI has 15314 Kills of All
Spitfire Mk XVI has 13987 Deaths by All
Straight from the site sir, 2000 possible sorties uncounted by your graph.
P-51D has 16336 Kills of All
P-51D has 14929 Deaths by All
Another 2300 possible sorties not counted by that graph.
La-7 has 15590 Kills of All
La-7 has 12602 Deaths by All
3,000 more possible sorties not counted.
That's the top three aircraft, and if you did it by sortie, I would guarantee right here right now they make up at least 30 percent if not 50 percent of the sorties flown in a given time period.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Spitfire Mk XVI has 15314 Kills of All
Spitfire Mk XVI has 13987 Deaths by All
Straight from the site sir, 2000 possible sorties uncounted by your graph.
First, I'd like to know how you find that number, "2000 possible sorties". You can not subtract "deaths" from "kills" and get "sorties" - the only result you get is that Spit XVI has about 2000 more kills than deaths. ;)
Second, we do not have he means to track sorties. so we have to use what HTC is providing us. Adding Kills and Deaths gives us the closest approximation of plane usage, and for sure the best measure to determine impact and commonnes of a plane.
A fighter that neither kills nor is being killed has not much impact.
Further, if you credit La's, Spit's ect. with a lot of sorties without any events (kill or death), you have to do the same for all other fighters too. And I don't know why La's & spits should have that much more uneventful flights than every other mount in game.
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How did that graph not count those numbers? It is kills and deaths, not just kills.
The sorties will not make that much difference. Certainly not enough to take the 7% for the P-51D, 7% for the Spitfire Mk XVI and 6% for the La-7 and turn that 20% total into your 60% claim.
You spouted bull****, got called on it and now are too chicken**** to admit it.
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Originally posted by Karnak
How did that graph not count those numbers? It is kills and deaths, not just kills.
The sorties will not make that much difference. Certainly not enough to take the 7% for the P-51D, 7% for the Spitfire Mk XVI and 6% for the La-7 and turn that 20% total into your 60% claim.
You spouted bull****, got called on it and now are too chicken**** to admit it.
Somehow Lusche says it so more elegantly, but a good point is a good point :)
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The plane that I'm surprised to not see on the first page of the list is the Yak. Maybe they just seem so prevalent because I hate seeing them so much...
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Out of curiosity, whats at the bottom of the list?
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Originally posted by Motherland
Out of curiosity, whats at the bottom of the list?
Ar 234, but I think the method really fails to give any useful numbers in this case, because this plane probably ends most of it's sorties without getting a kill or being killed.
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2928/geringhs7.jpg)
(All number still Tour 93 Late War Main Arenas)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
go to the nearest airport ... sit in middle of the runway .
Confusious says..he who sit on middle of runway often get rundown feeling.
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Originally posted by Lusche
First, I'd like to know how you find that number, "2000 possible sorties". You can not subtract "deaths" from "kills" and get "sorties" - the only result you get is that Spit XVI has about 2000 more kills than deaths. ;)
Second, we do not have he means to track sorties. so we have to use what HTC is providing us. Adding Kills and Deaths gives us the closest approximation of plane usage, and for sure the best measure to determine impact and commonnes of a plane.
A fighter that neither kills nor is being killed has not much impact.
Further, if you credit La's, Spit's ect. with a lot of sorties without any events (kill or death), you have to do the same for all other fighters too. And I don't know why La's & spits should have that much more uneventful flights than every other mount in game.
Lusche, the error in this reporting is such...
I take up a spit16... i kill a p51, a niki and a yak... I land at my base.
My spit16 doesn't get counted on that graph. Only the P51, the niki and the yak are.
Say I'm an AK... I take up a P51, obviously... (all I seem to see them in) I land 4 kills from BnZ'n. My 51 isn't counted in your graph.
I would easily say that it's 30% between three planes... and might be higher...I'll stick to my 40% of all sorties are those three planes. Just using your graph gives me 20% of all sorties are 51's, SPIT16 and LA7, and it doesn't account for landed sorties.
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Your graph...
is of "KILLS OF.." and "DEATHS IN"
A victorious landing plane isn't counted.
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Originally posted by Karnak
How did that graph not count those numbers? It is kills and deaths, not just kills.
The sorties will not make that much difference. Certainly not enough to take the 7% for the P-51D, 7% for the Spitfire Mk XVI and 6% for the La-7 and turn that 20% total into your 60% claim.
You spouted bull****, got called on it and now are too chicken**** to admit it.
Sorry if I offended you, but this is a discussion and I'm not chickensht. You need to check your attitude. I simply said between 40 and 60 percent of all sorties are one of three planes. The numbers bear it out... because a landed sortie by any of those planes, with successful victories, IS NOT COUNTED IN THE GRAPH.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Lusche, the error in this reporting is such...
I take up a spit16... i kill a p51, a niki and a yak... I land at my base.
My spit16 doesn't get counted on that graph. Only the P51, the niki and the yak are.
And this is were YOU make a fundamental error. You seem not to grasp how the extended stats scoring system works.
In your example, all 3 get counted in that graph. The Spit gets three kills, the other planes get one death each.
Total kill+death count after this sortie:
Spit 3
Yak 1
P51 1
Nik 1
Originally posted by MORAY37
The numbers bear it out... because a landed sortie by any of those planes, with successful victories, IS NOT COUNTED IN THE GRAPH.
Wrong. It is.
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Originally posted by Lusche
And this is were YOU make a fundamental error. You seem not to grasp how the extended stats scoring system works.
In your example, all 3 get counted in that graph. The Spit gets three kills, the other planes get one death each.
Total kill+death count after this sortie:
Spit 3
Yak 1
P51 1
Nik 1
Wrong. It is.
Ok... perhaps this is where we diverged. I'm taking that your graph diagrams KILLS OF and DEATHS IN. Is that wrong? The labelling of said graph lends itself to exactly THAT interpretation.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong... just don't treat me like I'm the stupid one. Your graph is labelled KILLS OF and DEATHS IN. A LANDING SUCCESSFUL SORTIE WOULD NOT BE COUNTED IN SUCH A GRAPH.
I'm just using the information put in front of me.
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Wow, even I didnt see this coming...:huh
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If that graph does depict the types flown with any accuracy.. which I'm not sold on...but..
1 in every 3 planes... is ether a spit of two models, a lala, a p51 or a niki.
How many plane types are in the current set again?
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Lusche could you arrange your data to show a distribution curve?
Highest in the middle with the lowest at either ends.
(Sort high to low then cut alternates and sort the remainder low to high then paste the alternates on the bottom of the sort then graph)
could you then mark the columns [under the curve]showing aircraft that can be considered "late war" (use your own definition and I am sure some quible over it (the definition) but it should give an idea of the general distribution)
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Im surprised the KI-67 is at .26. Its to good an airplane to suffer 4 deaths for every one kill it gets.
My guess as to reasons why? 1, Guys flying it to low. 2, Guys outrunning crippled drones. 3, Running out of ammo. 4, Flying it thru conga lines straight into furballs like a fighter. 5, Never asking bombrich how to defeat belly attacks.
Next month Im going to pay attention to my Ps and Qs in it and not do anything stupid, and, shepard crippled drones home. I'll bet I can get it to 1 to 1 kills/deaths. I did some stupid stuff in it this month but the airplane is fully capable of far better then a .26.
In some ways its the most defendable bomber in the game.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Your graph is labelled KILLS OF and DEATHS IN. A LANDING SUCCESSFUL SORTIE WOULD NOT BE COUNTED IN SUCH A GRAPH.
Why not?
If you kill someone, you get an entry -> Kill
If you die, you get an entry too -> Death
Landing has absolutely nothing to do with it.
And my K+D is only just that: the sum of all kills and all deaths in game.
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Originally posted by Tilt
Lusche could you arrange your data to show a distribution curve?
Sorry, currently I have not enough time for that.
But all that info needed is just a click away. "Kill stats in expanded format", cut&paste it into excel or open office... ;)
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Your graph...
is of "KILLS OF.." and "DEATHS IN"
A victorious landing plane isn't counted.
It is kills in, not of. That is where you are getting confused.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
If that graph does depict the types flown with any accuracy.. which I'm not sold on...but..
1 in every 3 planes... is ether a spit of two models, a lala, a p51 or a niki.
So? I remember when that could almost be chalked up to one plane, the F4U-1C, not five. That seems a marked improvement.
And what would you suggest to fix it? You perk those five and all you do is push people into another group that will take a disproportionate number of the sorties.
Perk the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, La-7, N1K2-J and Spitfire Mk VIII?
Then will you be whining about how common the Typhoon Mk Ib, Fw190D-9, Hurricane Mk IIc, F4U-1D and Spitfire Mk IX are? What then? Perk those?
You cannot regulate human behavior like that. That we have five planes making up 30% of the kills is dang good compared to where we have been. People see five planes that are fully competitive (I'd actually talk about the top four as the drop from the N1K2-J to the Spitfire Mk VIII is big).
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And I would point out that there are a slew of less common aircraft that are also very effective, planes that many people graduate too. F4U-1D, P-38L, Ki-84-Ia, Bf109K-4, Bf109G-14, Fw190D-9, Yak-9U.
Your whine is pointless.
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Originally posted by Karnak
And I would point out that there are a slew of less common aircraft that are also very effective, planes that many people graduate too. F4U-1D, P-38L, Ki-84-Ia, Bf109K-4, Bf109G-14, Fw190D-9, Yak-9U.
Your whine is pointless.
Karnak...no whine... just having a discussion. You really are a piece of work. Did you catch me with your sister or something?
Yes there are alot of fun planes that are less common..my two favorites to fly, period, are the Yak-T and the Ki-84.
Chill out a little bro. You're gonna blow a gasket.
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Originally posted by stephen
ok final offer, ill give you guys 800$ in two payments of 400$ for an a26,
i would pay 200$/month for old MA settings :cry
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
:cry :cry :cry
Up Yours,
Subway
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Originally posted by ghi
i would pay 200$/month for old MA settings :cry
Yeah ghi!
I remember your missions...
We would take base...we haven't even landed yet and on country: ghi: MISSION up.
Good times...
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Heh. Nothing to chill out from.
I was not the one to make overwrought claims and then go into mental gymnastics to avoid admitting he was wrong.
I've no stake in this at all. Just pointing out how silly your claims are.
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the point of this thread I must admit is to find out just egsactly {within reasonable doubt} how much it costs monitarily to bring a new aircraft to this game, in this endevoure I have failed misserably, but by all means please continue to post OFF TOPIC..:aok
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HTC doesn't release that kind of info. HTC consists of 7 people, adding a new plane generally involves at least one artist and the producer. If it has unusual features, then it would need one or both programmers to work on it too. I have no idea how many hours each person would need to spend on it though. Bigger aircraft with multiple positions take more work.
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So the Boston-lll is the biggest widowmaker in the game bomber-wise eh? That confirms what I first thought when I saw one sitting in a hangar. All primped up like a Queen.
Tho I suppose the very large, and great, lineup of warplanes in AH is a big part of why the game is so much fun. Including the more exotic ones, like my beloved Japmobiles the KI-67s.
It would have been easy to leave out a bomber like the Dragon, or other various aircraft of Japanese, Russian, Italian, bloodlines. I think AHs dedication to these "other guys" airplanes is terrific.
Yasee? The Dragon has a lousy kill/death ratio. So dont hesitate to "come on in".:t
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Stephen you're wasting your time asking for that info here. Call HTC directly.
Good luck.
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Big 4 used to account for roughly 35-40% of the kills/deaths in the MA, back when I was crunching the numbers.
It is interesting to see the trends in the data, at least. Maybe sometime I'll go and export the kill stats into excel from tour 12 to the present and see what shakes out of the analysis.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Big 4 used to account for roughly 35-40% of the kills/deaths in the MA, back when I was crunching the numbers.
It is interesting to see the trends in the data, at least. Maybe sometime I'll go and export the kill stats into excel from tour 12 to the present and see what shakes out of the analysis.
I had done that some time ago:
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8420/tour12ze6.jpg)
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But I never have :) .
I'm also going to see if we can come up with a reliable methodology for estimating the number of sorties flown. Some day :).
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I will pay 1thousand dollors of my parents money for a flying unicorn because I'm a spoiled brat
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Originally posted by thndregg
You need to look at the reality of how much historical research and data they need to go through to get these representations of the real thing as accurate as possible, and yet playable for us subscribers. It simply takes time.
Yea normally takes about 2 weeks.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Im surprised the KI-67 is at .26. Its to good an airplane to suffer 4 deaths for every one kill it gets.
My guess as to reasons why? 1, Guys flying it to low. 2, Guys outrunning crippled drones. 3, Running out of ammo. 4, Flying it thru conga lines straight into furballs like a fighter. 5, Never asking bombrich how to defeat belly attacks.
Next month Im going to pay attention to my Ps and Qs in it and not do anything stupid, and, shepard crippled drones home. I'll bet I can get it to 1 to 1 kills/deaths. I did some stupid stuff in it this month but the airplane is fully capable of far better then a .26.
In some ways its the most defendable bomber in the game.
So far this camp; BaladEagl 3/KI-67 0. I caught them intact at 25K after a 4 sector chase climbing to get co-alt with them. All killed in 1 pass. No damage to me.