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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on November 15, 2007, 04:50:56 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7096814.stm
Gotta love the double standards we have when picking out allies.
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we only have allies for strategic purposes
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Islamic law and their attitude t words women is in my opinion deplorable.
Perhaps when we all ride bicycles to work, and tanks and airplanes run on fairy dust, we can be more selective of who we ally or maintain diplomatic relations with.
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While I in no way agree with Islamic law.
Perhaps to play devils advocate for a moment.
It is THEIR laws.
"But the victim was also punished for violating Saudi Arabia's laws on segregation that forbid unrelated men and women from associating with each other. She was initially sentenced to 90 lashes for being in the car of a strange man.
The rapists also had their prison terms doubled. But the sentences are still low considering they could have faced the death penalty."
We complain of their intolerence
While ourselves being guilty if intolerence in insisting they, or condemning then for not adhereing to our standards.
She knew what the law was. She broke it and was punished according to THEIR law and culture. Not ours
Now we, you and I may find it appaling.
But we also live in a completely different culture
With a completely different mindset.
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what standards should we use when picking our allies?
lazs
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She was also from the Shia minority while the rapists were Sunni.:eek:
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I think the Saudis, in their current position, are a bigger liability to us than most everyone else.
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Originally posted by crockett
[Gotta love the double standards we have when picking out allies.
ya got to hate those Russians for helping us in WWII.
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every country can't be as perfect as America :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JBA
ya got to hate those Russians for helping us in WWII.
I know you're just trying to draw a loose parallel, but come on...
The Russians fought and died, not so much for the alliance as for their own survival. They gave up more than most can imagine, and earned the respect they got--or failed to get. Much of their population, not to mention landscape, was forever altered in those few years.
When have the Saudis been up against the wall like that, and when did they sacrifice and commit themselves in a comparable manner? Allowing the US to stage an invasion from their soil and making a token effort to assist in what was already such a lopsided fight hardly counts.
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200 lashes......
In the good old days when Britain ruled the waves, Nelson pwnd the French and flogging was a common form of punishment in the RN, 100 lashes was often fatal IIRC - and these were hard naval types, not 19 year old girls.
Beggars belief.
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Religous law is for morons!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Religous law is for morons!
Not so much the law as the interpretation of it by your morons. Let's face it,
most religion is meant to be very moral.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I think the Saudis, in their current position, are a bigger liability to us than most everyone else.
Absolutely. Of all our allies, they really do come closest to hating us. 75% of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. I do believe all of the 9/11 terrorists were Sunni.
I do not want anyone to take this out of context though. Between the Sunni or Shia, the Shia generally have a more benevolent atmosphere towards their women.
Here are some images of Iran (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) that I found.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Here are some images of Iran (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) that I found.
Here is an image of Iran if they continue down the road they are on with Israel
(http://peacenowar.net/newpeace/images/stories/nuke.jpg)
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Naw, won't happen.
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subaru... notice something about those pics... they are mostly of men... when women are shown.. they look like ancient crone bag ladies. They are bundled up like they have some rare skin disease and must avoid contact with the sun.
Not too many swimsuit pics.. not a lot of bars and such shown.. not a lot of movie houses and such.
lazs
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To bad some American women don't cover up. :D
(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/2/27/Fattystats.JPG/180px-Fattystats.JPG)
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WTF Milo, lawl.
:cry
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Originally posted by Neubob
I know you're just trying to draw a loose parallel, but come on...
The Russians fought and died, not so much for the alliance as for their own survival. They gave up more than most can imagine, and earned the respect they got--or failed to get. Much of their population, not to mention landscape, was forever altered in those few years.
When have the Saudis been up against the wall like that, and when did they sacrifice and commit themselves in a comparable manner? Allowing the US to stage an invasion from their soil and making a token effort to assist in what was already such a lopsided fight hardly counts.
Stalin killed Soviets then you can imagine!
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Absolutely. Of all our allies, they really do come closest to hating us. 75% of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. I do believe all of the 9/11 terrorists were Sunni.
100% of the Terrorists that blew up the OKC federal building were from the US... does that mean we should lump all Americans into the same pot???
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Originally posted by Tiger
100% of the Terrorists that blew up the OKC federal building were from the US... does that mean we should lump all Americans into the same pot???
No Tiger.
I was making the case we seem to be lumping the Shia (Iran) as the enemy. They are not. Of the one to one and a half billion muslims, only a fraction of a fraction are radical. Just like Americans via Fed building explosion or abortion clinic bombings.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Absolutely. Of all our allies, they really do come closest to hating us. 75% of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. I do believe all of the 9/11 terrorists were Sunni.
I do not want anyone to take this out of context though. Between the Sunni or Shia, the Shia generally have a more benevolent atmosphere towards their women.
Here are some images of Iran (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) that I found.
Ok If I start some type cult-like group or gang and I live in say ..Florida, would it not be reasonable to assume that many or most of my followers would be from Florida?
Later when I move my 'church/treehouse' if I still have my roots in Florida its still likely that people will discover me through Florida, especially if I am a somewhat secret organization.
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Incidentally, I've read a sizable part of the REAL Sharia laws, and what's being practiced now by Saudi Arabia and was was formerly instituted by the Taliban isn't even a strict and ultra-conservative INTERPRETATION, this is something else ENTIRELY unrelated.
A literal reading of Sharia still gives considerable rights to women. The Taliban, Saudis and many other ultra-conservative Islamic governments actually take the rights and protections guaranteed by Sharia AWAY.
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Too bad we have such an appetite for oil. I'd like nothing better than to leave these people to their lunacy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311947,00.html
KABUL, Afghanistan — A teenage boy who was teaching English at a local school was dragged into the street and executed by Taliban militants, the provincial police chief reported.
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I wonder what rights women had in Iraq under Saddam's rule?...And Saudi Arabia is an allied nation?
Religion is killing this planet...i do believe in a great "creator" though..Your mother...and these "great creators" are treated like dirt/vermin in Islamic states to suppress them from having a voice and effecting change.
so you can see why MAN invented God(not the other way around)
if you want to worship something,give your mother some flowers on YOUR birthday.
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I don't believe that religion... freely entered into and seperate from the government is evil at all.
I believe that it is a good thing. when it is bad is when it is part of the government... when it's laws are the law of the land.
It gets worse as the religion gets more fundamentalist and rooted into the cruelty of the dark ages.
You don't want religious police holding down someone on the street and cutting out their tongue because they blashphemed for instance.
lazs
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Religion is an individual choice, and an individual belief. I wholly disagree with the concept of organized religion for precisely that reason: Inevitably, a few or even one will attempt to impose their personal view of God on the others.
Or to quote Noranti: Religions are fine, lofty ideals. Religious followers, that's another matter.
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It may be "inevitable" but.. we need freedom of religion. The way it needs to work tho is that the government needs to have a strong bill of rights that no religion can take precidence over.
To say that you are against organized religion is like saying you are against air. meaningless. People have the right to organize in their religion. they have the right to congregate. they do not have the right to hold you down and cut out your tongue because they don't like what you said. you have the right to free speech that trumps that.
lazs