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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JB73 on November 16, 2007, 08:49:26 PM
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whoops, I guess nice ram you moran.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/JB73Mustaine/ahss1.jpg)
WTF you expect happens when you go guns a blazin from D1.2 geggin for a shot and can't get it?
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:eek:
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In? :confused:
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Originally posted by Wes14
In? :confused:
No.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
No.
Why not? :D
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
Why not? :D
Because JB is obviously trying to tell NoQuartr something that they must have argued about.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Because JB is obviously trying to tell NoQuartr something that they must have argued about.
umm he claims I rammed him in the text buffer, but yet he did.
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Originally posted by JB73
umm he claims I rammed him in the text buffer, but yet he did.
not taking sides, and not trying to start an arguement.......
but the evidence of a simple screen shot is inconclusive of what actually happened....and to get to the bottom of this a jury would actually need to see actual raw film footage from both parties involved......
1 can actually fly into another and receive no damage , yet the other person that was flown into receives the damage.......and it can happen vice versa as well as both parties receiving damage......
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
not taking sides, and not trying to start an arguement.......
but the evidence of a simple screen shot is inconclusive of what actually happened....and to get to the bottom of this a jury would actually need to see actual raw film footage from both parties involved......
1 can actually fly into another and receive no damage , yet the other person that was flown into receives the damage.......and it can happen vice versa as well as both parties receiving damage......
:huh
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
not taking sides, and not trying to start an arguement.......
but the evidence of a simple screen shot is inconclusive of what actually happened....and to get to the bottom of this a jury would actually need to see actual raw film footage from both parties involved......
1 can actually fly into another and receive no damage , yet the other person that was flown into receives the damage.......and it can happen vice versa as well as both parties receiving damage......
ok, now I'm gonna have bedspins.
doh
:confused:
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Had a collision last night. No damage on my end, yet it said I collied.
Had a corsair flop over on top of me last night (he collieded message), I Lost a left wing tip, he flew away unsacathed.
Just the way this game is.
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The real question is WTF are you doing in that spit!
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:cry
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Well at least EGG was happy. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Well at least EGG was happy. :)
ROFL!
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
not taking sides, and not trying to start an arguement.......
but the evidence of a simple screen shot is inconclusive of what actually happened....and to get to the bottom of this a jury would actually need to see actual raw film footage from both parties involved......
1 can actually fly into another and receive no damage , yet the other person that was flown into receives the damage.......and it can happen vice versa as well as both parties receiving damage......
Originally posted by Kermit de frog
:huh
Yes, :huh
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but the evidence of a simple screen shot is inconclusive of what actually happened
Looks pretty conclusive to me.
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I flew right into a newbie last night....he died, I flew away in perfect condition .....was totaly my fault
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well, bnasty and helm seem to understand my little explanation.......
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, bnasty and helm seem to understand my little explanation.......
I read the first line or two and my head started hurting :)
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Originally posted by culero
I read the first line or two and my head started hurting :)
kelly, and the rest of you all.....you must drink way too much.....rofl
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, bnasty and helm seem to understand my little explanation.......
If you understand how the collision model works, your explanation makes perfect sense TC!
MtnMan
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Originally posted by Helm
I flew right into a newbie last night....he died, I flew away in perfect condition .....was totaly my fault
Film?
Silly me, there never is.
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LOL rammed him on the deck of the cv. Damn mustain, you're good.;)
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well, bnasty and helm seem to understand my little explanation.......
I understand your explanation perfectly ... but you left out the logic of the HOST messages that are displayed.
From the screen shot it is quite conclusive that NoQuartr collided with Mustaine ... and that Mustaine did not collide with NoQuartr.
Mustaine's original post never brought up the subject of "damage" ... just "collison".
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Ok children
I get rammed I up another plane and I will look for the rammer and get revenge. Is this necessary?
JUGMAN
Go ahead and ram my JUG I will definitely last longer than most.
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Originally posted by P47Gra
Ok children
I get rammed I up another plane and I will look for the rammer and get revenge. Is this necessary?
JUGMAN
Go ahead and ram my JUG I will definitely last longer than most.
Don't make me post the pics.:furious
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poor argument... inconclusive evidence... Not giulty
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Originally posted by P47Gra
Ok children
I get rammed I up another plane and I will look for the rammer and get revenge. Is this necessary?
JUGMAN
Go ahead and ram my JUG I will definitely last longer than most.
I had a zero ram my jug the other day, took off my wing it said he collided as he went flying on.
What I would like to know, how does a zero collide with anything and keep flying especially a jug? Its more like the PT-109 and the Amagiri in reverse.
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I had a zero ram my jug the other day, took off my wing it said he collided as he went flying on.
What I would like to know, how does a zero collide with anything and keep flying especially a jug? Its more like the PT-109 and the Amagiri in reverse.
Originally posted by Bronk
Film?
Silly me, there never is.
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Originally posted by Bronk
I have no reason to lie and no reason to provide you a film :D
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I had a zero ram my jug the other day, took off my wing it said he collided as he went flying on.
What I would like to know, how does a zero collide with anything and keep flying especially a jug? Its more like the PT-109 and the Amagiri in reverse.
Was that me?
If so, that collision took off my wing as well. Somebody got the kill.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I understand your explanation perfectly ... but you left out the logic of the HOST messages that are displayed.
From the screen shot it is quite conclusive that NoQuartr collided with Mustaine ... and that Mustaine did not collide with NoQuartr.
Mustaine's original post never brought up the subject of "damage" ... just "collison".
All we can see from Mustaine's screenshot is that Mustaine's FE thinks NoQuartr collided with him. The system message displayed is NOT an assignment of guilt. It's extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that NoQuartr's FE saw the same thing. Damage would have been assigned accordingly. If NoQuartr saw a miss, he received none.
Really, an understanding of the collision model shows that post's like these (attempting to assign blame for collisions) are pointless.
Having seen swarms of posts explaining the collision model, I won't explain it again, but would recommend a BBS search for anybody not familiar with how it works.
MtnMan
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(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k45/fbplmmr/collision.gif)
:(
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I have no reason to lie and no reason to provide you a film :D
No, but you more than likely have no idea how the collision model works .
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Originally posted by mtnman
All we can see from Mustaine's screenshot is that Mustaine's FE thinks NoQuartr collided with him. The system message displayed is NOT an assignment of guilt. It's extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that NoQuartr's FE saw the same thing. Damage would have been assigned accordingly. If NoQuartr saw a miss, he received none.
No guilt need be assigned ... just who collided and who didn't.
The HOST message it displayed to both parties. Had Mustaine collided with NoQuartr ... he would have also gotten the orange message (which NoQuartr most definately got) that he collided with NoQuartr.
When you get a HOST message ... that means that the HOST received information that one / the other / or both collided.
Mustaine did not collide with him ... on either FE ... his or NoQuartr's.
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If two planes were flying straight at one another, both AFK and they collided, who would get the white message that "so and so collided with you" and who would get the message "You have collided". In other words, who would get the blame?
I suppose the next question, and the MOST important is, if two planes collided in the wilderness and nobody was there to witness it, did it really happen??? :huh
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Originally posted by SunBat
If two planes were flying straight at one another, both AFK and they collided, who would get the white message that "so and so collided with you" and who would get the message "You have collided". In other words, who would get the blame?
If its nose to nose, both would get the "you have collided".
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I run into people all the time, do I ever try to intentionally ram? Only if you are in a goon and I'm out of ammo :t
Usually it's the result of just getting too darn close before breaking away.
So to anyone I've ever hit sorry will try to be quicker next time:)
To any goon pilot I've taken out (I think I've only ever had to resort to this 2 or 3 times) sorry, but the greater good demanded it;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
No guilt need be assigned ... just who collided and who didn't.
The HOST message it displayed to both parties. Had Mustaine collided with NoQuartr ... he would have also gotten the orange message (which NoQuartr most definately got) that he collided with NoQuartr.
When you get a HOST message ... that means that the HOST received information that one / the other / or both collided.
Mustaine did not collide with him ... on either FE ... his or NoQuartr's.
Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision? We can't tell that from the screenshot.
It's entirely possible, if not probable, that from NoQuartr's veiw it was a near miss. We can about guarantee that his FE didn't see things the way Mustaine's did.
Would he have gotten a message "You have collided with Mustaine"? Probably. That would be because Mustaine's FE would have sent that info through the server. Would he be damaged as a result? Only if his FE also saw the collision. Did it?
MtnMan
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Originally posted by mtnman
Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision?
yes. that is the only way collisions are registered. it has been explained a bunch of times. his FE sees collision he gets a message "you have collided" and the other plane gets the message "xxx has collided with you"
bit of back story I was upping off a CV into a 6-2 and just out of ack range some guy comes blazing ho from D1.2, I was about 100 feet agl, juked left then slightly down right to go into a high left yo-yo, got pinged, then the ram message. a few seconds later the kill message, then shot down by another plane. I believe I gave a few hispano bursts on my way across left to right, one or 2 probably hit him and that why I got the kill credit.
my only reason to post was to call him out. he wants to talk smack well he better back it up with better flying than he did there. I'm no ace, everyone knows that, but I have been around for long enough to be better than the average n00b.
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Originally posted by JB73
umm he claims I rammed him in the text buffer, but yet he did.
But he called you Skippy. It's all good.
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Originally posted by mtnman
All we can see from Mustaine's screenshot is that Mustaine's FE thinks NoQuartr collided with him.
Mustaine's FE doesn't "think" anything. It was NoQuartr's FE that detected a collision on his end and sent the message that he had collided. Mustaine's FE is just the recipient of that message, it is not doing any analysis in this case.
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Originally posted by mtnman
Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision? We can't tell that from the screenshot.
It's entirely possible, if not probable, that from NoQuartr's veiw it was a near miss. We can about guarantee that his FE didn't see things the way Mustaine's did.
Would he have gotten a message "You have collided with Mustaine"? Probably. That would be because Mustaine's FE would have sent that info through the server. Would he be damaged as a result? Only if his FE also saw the collision. Did it?
MtnMan
Was NoQuartr even involved in a collision? We can't tell that from the screenshot.
Yes we can ... Mustaine would not have received that HOST message had NoQuartr's FE not registered a collision. Since, Mustaine got the message ... NoQuartr did collide with him.
It's entirely possible, if not probable, that from NoQuartr's veiw it was a near miss.
Impossible ... see above.
We can about guarantee that his FE didn't see things the way Mustaine's did.
Absolutely ... Mustaine's FE saw no collision.
Would he have gotten a message "You have collided with Mustaine"? Probably.
Not probably ... NoQuartr most definately got that message.
That would be because Mustaine's FE would have sent that info through the server.
Wrong ... what Mustaine's FE sees has no bearing on what happens to NoQuartr in this case.
Would he be damaged as a result?
Only if Mustaine's FE says that he collided with NoQuartr ... which he didn't else he would have gotten the orange "You have collided" message.
Only if his FE also saw the collision. Did it?
Correct ... and no it didn't.
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You know, I think I took this backwards. I thought Mustaine had taken damage from a collision, and was blaming NoQuartr for hitting him.
I was thinking Mustaine's FE saw the collision, and not Noquartr's.
I thought that was why Mustaine was lifting a new plane, hehe!
Sorry!
MtnMan
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can't we just all agree the collision model isn't perfect ??......No i didn't think so /shrugs.
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Originally posted by Connery
can't we just all agree the collision model isn't perfect ??......No i didn't think so /shrugs.
*snicker*
The collision model is a perfect solution for the imperfect internet.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Looks pretty conclusive to me.
Yip. Thndregg's usual beverage was not available on the shelves so he had to go with some other magic juice. Seems to have worked just fine, too.
;)
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i think the collision model blows! i think people try to use it to thier advantage when losing a fite. when losing a tight s turning fight if they are out turned..they will continue the turn hoping to ram..knowing guns wont find the angle. i think both planes should go down. i don't care what he sees. maybe next time they wont get so close knowing they'll also go down.
i get 99fps...with all graphics maxed out. i have cable and i lose 99% of the collisions. its not right.
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/\/\/\/\:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Dace
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Great post Dace, i'll put that one in the record book.....
:p
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
when losing a tight s turning fight if they are out turned..they will continue the turn hoping to ram..knowing guns wont find the angle. i think both planes should go down.
I've been hit many times in the rolling scissors so I know exactly where you're coming from, I don't think it was malicious though as you can get pretty close. I've also been guilty of misjudging the roll on the merge myself until figuring out the addition of a quick yo-yo in the roll can give a little bit of lag time to get guns on target.
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
i think the collision model blows! i think people try to use it to thier advantage when losing a fite. when losing a tight s turning fight if they are out turned..they will continue the turn hoping to ram..knowing guns wont find the angle. i think both planes should go down. i don't care what he sees. maybe next time they wont get so close knowing they'll also go down.
i get 99fps...with all graphics maxed out. i have cable and i lose 99% of the collisions. its not right.
So you expect the enemy to say " Well ftdeep is too close to get a shot. Guess I better fly straight and lvl now".
Here is an idea. switch to lag pursuit till he gets a little separation. He still going to turn as tight as possible (burning more mind you. While you are gaining a bit of E not turning so hard.
Difficult concept I know. I figured since you have such a firm grasp on the collision model. The above suggestion will be child's play.
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Originally posted by FTDEEP
i have cable and i lose 99% of the collisions. its not right.
Sounds to me like you are putting your plane in a position to hit another plane on your front end 99% of the time.
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Originally posted by Donzo
Sounds to me like you are putting your plane in a position to hit another plane on your front end 99% of the time.
And he doesn't have VSYNC ON if he is getting 99 fps ... that could be part of his problem too.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
And he doesn't have VSYNC ON if he is getting 99 fps ... that could be part of his problem too.
99 fps. 99% of collisions lost. See a pattern here? maybe a little embelishment?
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
99 fps. 99% of collisions lost. See a pattern here? maybe a little embelishment?
mmmmm ... just a tinch ... :D