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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: storch on November 19, 2007, 06:36:22 AM
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sorry to spoil your concept brauno but I don't hate any of you three because I don't know you.
furthermore while it's true that all three of you do score a considerable number of kills against me, the way you go about obtaining those victories make them an annoyance and not a reason to regard any of you three.
while sehob and okllok can fight once they have run completely out of options they simply die and do so very easily. sadly I can't say the same for you yet, you just simply die without to much effort needing to be put forth.
I can't imagine why you three players play the way do, going completely against the grain of the arena norms but if consistently dropping in and picking engaged opponents is what you want to do then that is fine, continue to do so.
if interrupting fights is what you want to do inspite of repeatedly being asked by the engaged player for you to stay out of the fight then so be it.
if immediatedly after losing the advantge running to ack is what you consider playing smart then by all means be smart.
I consider you three to be nothing but scrubs, but I don't hate you.
carry on enjoying you $15 any way you see fit.
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Wow, what is with this BS, Storch? On 200 I expect this crap, but this is rich even for you. Please produce one iota of proof that I run to ack, cherry pick, or anything else that "goes against the grain of the arena norms." Could someone in the community point out an instance where I've ever jumped in to any fight when asked to stay out.
As for my general suckiness, I've never claimed otherwise. I use the AvA as an opportunity to try planes I don't normally fly. When I get tired of being gang-banged or being generally owned in them I will move toward an easier plane so I can try to put up a better fight (usually with little improvement in overall K/D ratio). If that makes me an easy kill, well, at least I am having fun while getting killed.
But, you are correct, I should not have said you hate Okllok or Sehob because they shoot you down. I do find it interesting that you and your squad find it necessary to actively hunt them. That isn't something you do to people that mean nothing to you.
I am perplexed as to what I have ever done to you to merit your diatribe, but if it salves your fragile ego to spew lies about me, I'll be happy to continue laughing at you.
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Originally posted by E25280
I do find it interesting that you and your squad find it necessary to actively hunt them.
They like to hover above the fight, wait for the pick then run. We don't hunt them, we make them fight. It's for their own good, one day they'll thank us.:D
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brauno, if you want to improve your game you want to be down low and not the other way round. why do you think players like the two you seem to emulate get kills but once out of altitude and speed and away from friendlies and ack are as helpless as a two week zipcode?
come on down son, take your lumps below 8k. if a pick presents itself by all means take advantage of it but also develope the ability to manuever at close quarters in any ride.
the game is a ton more fun all when you are (and I and all the other players) able to put up a good fight no matter what cards you are dealt.
I suppose you could take some time and visit with any of the excellent trainers and shave light years off of your game or you could just aquire your skill by dying many many times. the latter is my choice for training and the environment we are current enjoying in the AvA is second to none for high quality fights. the level of player coming into the arena affords all of the opportunity to go up against some very fine and well skilled players who will give you (and I) some exciting two fisted action. take advantage of that. eschew emulating to two unskilled poltroons, they aren't even good as door stops in the AvA.
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Example
Last night there was a 1on1 I was staying out of. Instead I went to engage an incoming bogey(runhob/LA). He didn't want to engage me but instead went to pick the 1on1 (this particular behavior defines the term luzer). Good guy dies so now 2 of us engage the 2 bogeys, 2on2. Runhob just flat out runs and leaves his teammate who was quite willing to fight (this behavior defines luzerX2).
Instead of doubling up on the remaining bogey I go after runhob. After pulling away, to my surprise he zooms up and comes around (probably assumed the 2 of us would be on the single bogey so he could pick). He sees me and guess what...wait for it...that's right, tries to HO (luzerX3). He's now trapped, has to fight and quickly dies.
I land and start to logoff for the night when someone on country says he just got vulched by runhob. He was so angry he upped a LA, made a beeline for the field and went full vulch (luzerX4).
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Originally posted by KONG1
Example
Last night there was a 1on1 I was staying out of. Instead I went to engage an incoming bogey(runhob/LA). He didn't want to engage me but instead went to pick the 1on1 (this particular behavior defines the term luzer). Good guy dies so now 2 of us engage the 2 bogeys, 2on2. Runhob just flat out runs and leaves his teammate who was quite willing to fight (this behavior defines luzerX2).
Instead of doubling up on the remaining bogey I go after runhob. After pulling away, to my surprise he zooms up and comes around (probably assumed the 2 of us would be on the single bogey so he could pick). He sees me and guess what...wait for it...that's right, tries to HO (luzerX3). He's now trapped, has to fight and quickly dies.
I land and start to logoff for the night when someone on country says he just got vulched by runhob. He was so angry he upped a LA, made a beeline for the field and went full vulch (luzerX4).
classic runhob/okllok. I often wonder if he is not the same player with two accounts, their pattern/modus operendi is an exact copy of one another.
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Originally posted by storch
brauno, if you want to improve your game you want to be down low and not the other way round. why do you think players like the two you seem to emulate get kills but once out of altitude and speed and away from friendlies and ack are as helpless as a two week zipcode?
come on down son, take your lumps below 8k. if a pick presents itself by all means take advantage of it but also develope the ability to manuever at close quarters in any ride.
the game is a ton more fun all when you are (and I and all the other players) able to put up a good fight no matter what cards you are dealt.
I suppose you could take some time and visit with any of the excellent trainers and shave light years off of your game or you could just aquire your skill by dying many many times. the latter is my choice for training and the environment we are current enjoying in the AvA is second to none for high quality fights. the level of player coming into the arena affords all of the opportunity to go up against some very fine and well skilled players who will give you (and I) some exciting two fisted action. take advantage of that. eschew emulating to two unskilled poltroons, they aren't even good as door stops in the AvA.
:lol Ok, now I get it. You are continuing your 200 rant from the other night where I supposedly bounced you "right off the runway." Please, if you have that encounter on film, take a look at it. You will see that I watch and wait while you get up to speed. When I see you are making no attempt to climb, I come down to almost your alt throttled back so as to bleed speed. At 800 off your six, you finally break left, and I break right. I did all these things to allow the 109 to reset the fight and start from a relatively even starting point. Had I known it was you, I would not have been so foolish as to intentionally bleed off my advantage, especially in a Pony (which I still can't seem to figure out). I tried to go through all this after you so easily shot me down, but you were too busy spewing to think about it. Obviously doing all those things must be "completely against the grain of the arena norms."
But, anyway, let me set you straight about a few things about how I play . . .
1) I am definitely NOT trying to emulate Okllok, Sehob, you, or anyone else.
2) I normally try to get to about 4-5K max, and don't bother with any more than 2K if the furball is close.
3) I will go higher to 6-7K in a Pony because I suck with it more than most planes and can't seem to turn it 180 degrees without losing 1000 feet of altitude.
4) I will also go higher if all I encounter are 190s at 12K+ as they usually were that evening.
5) When I see a 1v1 I will ask if the person needs help or simply stay out if it looks like he has it handled.
6) I do not bother asking if there are 2 red cons on a green. (If one of those reds dies without having noticed me first, aside from being a miracle, that is his bad, not mine.)
7) I do not HO in a 1v1 unless the opponent has miraculously missed a HO attempt first. If there is more than one red on lonely old me, all bets are off. If Truekill announces the HO light is on, all bets are off, too. :lol
8) I have never and will never "run to the ack."
9) My playing time is generally limited to Friday and Saturday nights, and I am too anxious to just "do something" to try to get any formal training. So, I prefer your tack of getting shot down countless times and hope I learn something in the process.
I'm still waiting for you to provide any evidence I act in any way contrary to what I have described above. Since you can't, please stop making false accusations.
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dang brauno if you had three more points you could end that with and a partridge in a pear tree. it's about as long and difficult to follow of an explanation as that song is.
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Originally posted by E25280
:lol Ok, now I get it. You are continuing your 200 rant from the other night where I supposedly bounced you "right off the runway."
lol, what are you new? Thats the storch response every time he gets killed. He will come in higher than you, miss the pick and then whine about u having some advantage. Few hours latter on the BBS he will post about fighting etc. Funny since he not to be found in a fighter ever. Unless you consider 190s dog fighters that is, lol.
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I turn fight in the 190
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Originally posted by storch
I turn fight in the 190
I confirm this. He ran my 9T out of bullets and gas the other night. I was impressed, that FW, as Ded says, is a pig.
- oldman
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but it's a sweet pig and my strong and loving hands an appreciative one too.
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Originally posted by storch
dang brauno if you had three more points you could end that with and a partridge in a pear tree.
:lol :D :rofl
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I confirm this. He ran my 9T out of bullets and gas the other night. I was impressed, that FW, as Ded says, is a pig.
- oldman
That proves nothing but your poor gunnery skills my friend. Don't worry, we all have bad days. :)
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lol, says the ack runner.
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Actually, having flown against both of them, I'd say Oldman was saying good things about Storch on his flying.
33vortex, you should try flying in front of Oldman's Yak9T some night, then you can say his gunnery is poor. ;)
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All I was saying was that Oldman was having a bad day and that we all do every now and then. ;)
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you should try turnfighting in the 190 then post on the topic. ;)
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Was it a A-5, A-8, Dora or a F-8? The difference is huge. The A-5 can turnfight fairly well the only drawbacks being somewhat weak guns and lack of hp.
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Originally posted by 33Vortex
Was it a A-5, A-8, Dora or a F-8? The difference is huge. The A-5 can turnfight fairly well the only drawbacks being somewhat weak guns and lack of hp.
The FW190A5 guns are no where near weak, try flying it against most other planes La5, La7, SpitfireV, VIII, IX, XIV, XVI most 109 variants......it packs alot better loadout.........
few planes come close o it regarding planes equipped with Cannons or a mix of machine gun and cannon planes......and those that do either beat it by leaps and bounds or are very marginal......
it is on par with most all other FW series planes, except maybe for the D9 model in the speed and Acceleration rnage....
notable planes that have equivilent or better guns would be F4U1C, Niki, Typhoon, Tempest, Bf110G2, P47 Variants......
as far as speed goes, it is near top of class in regards to Midwar plane types.........and isn't no slouch when compared to some LAte War plane matchups
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vortex I turnfight in all of them. in fact I've been known to turnfight even in a goon. ;)
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The FW190 series is what I fly, almost exclusively. Yes the A-5 guns are weak compared to the other 190 variants, was not talking of other planes. I find the A-5 require a good spray of hits perhaps double # of hits, compared to the D-9 in order to down a plane. That is from ingame experience not historical data. Something I find a bit odd, but the MG/FF rounds were less effective historically speaking so it's not entirely out of place.
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Originally posted by 33Vortex
The FW190 series is what I fly, almost exclusively. Yes the A-5 guns are weak compared to the other 190 variants, was not talking of other planes. I find the A-5 require a good spray of hits perhaps double # of hits, compared to the D-9 in order to down a plane. That is from ingame experience not historical data. Something I find a bit odd, but the MG/FF rounds were less effective historically speaking so it's not entirely out of place.
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php
comparing all FW series the FW190A5 is either at top or at worst 2nd best
Lethality = #2
Firing Time = #1
this is in regards to ingame plane characteristics
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I'm not really arguing with you, it's just that the way I fly making use of a lot of high-deflection shots the A-5 takes more work to down a fighter and especially a bomber compared to the other 190s. The #1 in lethality should be the A-8, who's #2 can be discussed since the A-5 is sporting a earlier gun package with the MG/FF which is weaker. Firing time is irrellevant, those 7.92 mm rds only tickle at worst.
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only 2 of the A5 cannons are MG/FF the other two are MG/151s. the only difference in the cannon package of the D-9 and the A-5 is that the A5 has two extra cannons (MG/FFs). so, i'm not really understanding your logic of how a D9 is more lethal than an A5
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Hey, it's not scientifically researched I'm only speaking from ingame experience. The A-5's guns just seem weaker.
Oh, and while I'm at it... when will the tailwheel bug on the 190s get fixed? :D