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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Cmustard on November 19, 2007, 06:14:28 PM
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Hello ,
I would like yo go into the topic of speeds on our aircraft in aces high 2. First of all we have an indicated and a true speed. I personally think hitech should make this wonderful game more realistic by making only 1 speed which is the (TRUE SPEED). It 's ridiculous im doing 350 when i should be doing 400 to 450 on many planes such as the temp and pony and jug. Now i have done some experimenting and ive gotn some of the planes that i have mentioned up to 20 - 25k in the air and they still arnt going there speeed!! I just think it would be nice for our aircraft to be going the kick *** speeed there suppost to be halllllllling at! :aok
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I'm confused Mustard, what ya tryin to prove?
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
I'm confused Mustard, what ya tryin to prove?
Regards,
Subway
Nothing i just want this crap to get fixed!
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I believe the red indicator on your air speed indicator is your actual speed.
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Nothing i just want this crap to get fixed!
there is nothing to fix.....you should learn what the 2 speeds mean and why there is 2 speeds to begin with
there is a reason for it......
clue rake the search feature of this Messageboard is your friend......
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Cmustard--President 2008:aok
Av8trJr--Vice President
Fight13--Speaker of the House
ZooZoo--Secretary of Defense
Kenny40-- Chief Justice
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Nothing i just want this crap to get fixed!
Being as there is nothing wrong with the way speed is handled in AcesHigh, I would postulate that you are the one that might need "fixed".
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Why am I even in that group? I'm Prime-Minister of Canada!!!
Up Yours ;),
Subway
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Hello ,
I would like yo go into the topic of speeds on our aircraft in aces high 2. First of all we have an indicated and a true speed. I personally think hitech should make this wonderful game more realistic by making only 1 speed which is the (TRUE SPEED). It 's ridiculous im doing 350 when i should be doing 400 to 450 on many planes such as the temp and pony and jug. Now i have done some experimenting and ive gotn some of the planes that i have mentioned up to 20 - 25k in the air and they still arnt going there speeed!! I just think it would be nice for our aircraft to be going the kick *** speeed there suppost to be halllllllling at! :aok
Maybe if you spent less time calling "play by play's on range" while folks are trying to clear your countrymates, you'd realize you need to open a book.
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E6B in the livingroom,with the candlestick.....
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Originally posted by WMLute
Being as there is nothing wrong with the way speed is handled in AcesHigh, I would postulate that you are the one that might need "fixed".
He said postulate!
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Originally posted by WMLute
Being as there is nothing wrong with the way speed is handled in AcesHigh, I would postulate that you are the one that might need "fixed".
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Spay and neuter your kids.
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I was just going to move on past this post... but i couldn't contain myself...
IDIOT!
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...:lol
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He spelled "ridiculous" correctly. That surprises me.
The speeds are correct in AH. Altitude affects max speed due to drag and power delivered by the engine. Power delivered by the engine depends on the critical altitude(s) of the supercharger blower. In turbocharged aircraft such as the P-38 and B-17 you seen an even curve as the turbocharger provides a constant additional level of air preasure.
On the main page at: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frindex.html select "Planes, Vehicles, Boats" from the "GAME INFO" dropdown. That has the performance charts for each aircraft.
When testing aircraft in game, give them plenty of time to accelerate to maximum speed as acceleration becomes very slow as induced drag nears the thrust the aircraft produces.
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If one speed is true then the other must be a lying speed. I agree with CMustard, the lying speeds must go! Enough of this "BS" of having two speeds, there can only be one! It's the only way for AH2 to be more realistic. :lol
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Originally posted by clerick
I was just going to move on past this post... but i couldn't contain myself...
IDIOT!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Hello ,
I would like yo go into the topic of speeds on our aircraft in aces high 2. First of all we have an indicated and a true speed. I personally think hitech should make this wonderful game more realistic by making only 1 speed which is the (TRUE SPEED). It 's ridiculous im doing 350 when i should be doing 400 to 450 on many planes such as the temp and pony and jug. Now i have done some experimenting and ive gotn some of the planes that i have mentioned up to 20 - 25k in the air and they still arnt going there speeed!! I just think it would be nice for our aircraft to be going the kick *** speeed there suppost to be halllllllling at! :aok
:huh Wow. :huh
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Cmustard--President 2008:aok
Av8trJr--Vice President
Fight13--Speaker of the House
ZooZoo--Secretary of Defense
Kenny40-- Chief Justice
HAHAAHAHAH CMUSTARD FOR Squeak PREZ 08'
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Okay... no one can be this stupid, especially someone who has flown for a decent amount of time. This has to be a troll.
Then again... squeak.
:huh
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Nothing i just want this crap to get fixed!
http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/AERO/airspeed.htm
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Heaven help this poor lost soul. If they ever turn wind and it's effects back on in the MA, he'll be even more lost.
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How cool would that be!:cool:
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Cmustard--President 2008:aok
Av8trJr--Vice President
Fight13--Speaker of the House
ZooZoo--Secretary of Defense
Kenny40-- Chief Justice
COUP D'ETAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(thats an overthrow of the government) :rofl
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Hello ,
ive gotn some of the planes that i have mentioned up to 20 - 25k in the air and they still arnt going there speeed!!
Most of the good fites are at 35K :D
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Originally posted by Golfer
If one speed is true then the other must be a lying speed. I agree with CMustard, the lying speeds must go! Enough of this "BS" of having two speeds, there can only be one! It's the only way for AH2 to be more realistic.
:rofl
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Since no one has really explained what the difference is, I will.
Think of it like this, the indicated speed is the speed (white mark) as the speed the plane thinks it going, the true speed (red mark) is the speed the aircraft is going as viewed from the ground.
As the air gets thinner at altitude the you have to move faster to keep the plane aloft. At 30K for instance your indicated speed may be 150 mph even though you may be moving over 400 as viewed from the ground. The red needle will show you that difference. This is true, correct and as real as real life can get.
I hope that will make sence to you.
Cmustard, perhaps you should form your statements as a question, not the way you did. It only makes you look like a fool, which many have stated. There are lots of helpful people around here that will answer questions when asked. Your original post as worded....well.... [edit]
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This page (http://www.auf.asn.au/groundschool/umodule2.html) could be useful, too. Australian Ultralight Federation has nifty, little flight theory manuals that you too can understand, mustard.
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Originally posted by Scca
As the air gets thinner at altitude the you have to move faster to keep the plane aloft. At 30K for instance your indicated speed may be 150 mph even though you may be moving over 400 as viewed from the ground. The red needle will show you that difference. This is true, correct and as real as real life can get.
Just a specification. The difference between Indicated and True airspeed is due to the fact that, being the air thinner, the dynamic flow that impacts the Pitot tube is weaker than at sea level, this resulting in inaccurate readings of the anemomenter (explained in a rush, but if you click the above link, you'll have a thorough explanation).
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Hello ,
I would like yo go into the topic of speeds on our aircraft in aces high 2. First of all we have an indicated and a true speed. I personally think hitech should make this wonderful game more realistic by making only 1 speed which is the (TRUE SPEED). It 's ridiculous im doing 350 when i should be doing 400 to 450 on many planes such as the temp and pony and jug. Now i have done some experimenting and ive gotn some of the planes that i have mentioned up to 20 - 25k in the air and they still arnt going there speeed!! I just think it would be nice for our aircraft to be going the kick *** speeed there suppost to be halllllllling at! :aok
If I were to reply to this like cmustard does on 200, I would call this "question" a HO dweebtard! To the starter of this thread, anything he doesn't understand is "crap". Read and learn young pup.
Air density is the difference between IAS and true AS or GS. There is only about half the air at 6K' over mean sea level (MSL) as there is at 0'MSL. Since airspeed (AS) indicators work by ramming air into a little tube on the airframe it stands to reason that if the air is less dense the AS indicated at a higher altitude will be lower. This doesn't effect the speed that an aircraft moves over the ground GS). The speed an aircraft stalls is based on the IAS, so if a pony stalls at 90 mph and will only get up to 95 mph at 39 K, it is flirting with a high altitude stall, near it's service celing, even though the ground speed may be 380 MPH... there simply isn't enough air going over the wings to create lift.
The AS indicators in AH are correct, It is your spelling that is broken.
Do yourself a favor cmustard, pay attention in your middle school spelling classes, (Mizspelin wurdz isnt kewl) and do all of us a favor and stop insulting people's mothers (and MY mother specifically) on 200. Most people love their mothers and take exception to squeakers insulting them. You can insult me all you want, I take as well as I give, and besides I consider the source, but you do yourself a diservice when you insult family members and risk getting into a physical confrontation in the RW!!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Maybe if you spent less time calling "play by play's on range" while folks are trying to clear your countrymates, you'd realize you need to open a book.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl its true
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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Cmustard--President 2008:aok
Av8trJr--Vice President
Fight13--Speaker of the House
ZooZoo--Secretary of Defense
Kenny40-- Chief Justice
:rofl
Aircraft display an indicated airspeed on an instrument called an airspeed indicator. Indicated airspeed will differ from True Airspeed at different air densities. Air density is affected by temperature, moisture content, and altitude. -Wikipedia
So Cmustard, it's less realistic with the true-air speed indicator, because if you don't know, they didn't have a little red indicator floating along the outside of the airspeed indicator
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Originally posted by Stang
Okay... no one can be this stupid, especially someone who has flown for a decent amount of time. This has to be a troll.
Then again... squeak.
:huh
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Maybe if you spent less time calling "play by play's on range" while folks are trying to clear your countrymates, you'd realize you need to open a book.
He left the Bish? WoooHooo!
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He gonna have to run against drdeath.
Should be a tight race.
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Originally posted by stockli
He gonna have to run against drdeath.
Should be a tight race.
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I thought that the Indicated speed was the speed you were going,and the true speed was what u should be going in real life.So in my mind were going 350 in out planes when we should be going the true speed!.Well ty everyone u have cleared a problem uP FOR ME. :D :lol
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"I thought that the Indicated speed was the speed you were going,and the true speed was what u should be going in real life"
That does happen to me, but only when im late for work ;)
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Glad we could help :)
It's interesting actually.
WWII aircraft, for the most part, only ever had an IAS needle. (Indicated Air Speed) Pilots were required to get out their prayer wheels (E6B flight computers) to calculate their true speeds, among other things.
HT has given us an updated type ASI that displays both.
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Originally posted by Squire
"I thought that the Indicated speed was the speed you were going,and the true speed was what u should be going in real life"
That does happen to me, but only when im late for work ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl That's funny because it's so true...
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Originally posted by Cmustard
I thought that the Indicated speed was the speed you were going,and the true speed was what u should be going in real life.So in my mind were going 350 in out planes when we should be going the true speed!.Well ty everyone u have cleared a problem uP FOR ME. :D :lol
Any time, if you have any other issue, just ask..
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Spay and neuter your kids.
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:D :rolleyes: :D NUFF SAID
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
He left the Bish? WoooHooo!
He was Back on with the Bish last night and talking trash on country and 200 as usual.
Like a bad habit he keeps coming back.
I'd LOVE to know what you rooks did to encourage him to leave again.:rofl
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LOLZ!!! My RoFL c0pTER PWNDED yoUR LoLLerskates aT the LOLFEST LAST NIGHT! LOLz
On a more serious note... the red true airspeed indicator indicates the speed in which you can expect my bullets to impact your rear end. :aok
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Originally posted by 1Boner
He said postulate!
I had that checked once..... Will never forget the snap of the rubber glove and the SQUEEK as the jar of lubricant was opended.
:lol :aok
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I thought that the Indicated speed was the speed you were going,and the true speed was what u should be going in real life.So in my mind were going 350 in out planes when we should be going the true speed!.Well ty everyone u have cleared a problem uP FOR ME. :D :lol [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell that one to the judge!
LMAO:aok
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I don't want to sound patronizing, but, people.... the search button is your friend! Google is your friend! Curiosity is the soul of progress.... come on, use it! ;)
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
This page (http://www.auf.asn.au/groundschool/umodule2.html) could be useful, too. Australian Ultralight Federation has nifty, little flight theory manuals that you too can understand, mustard.
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Just a specification. The difference between Indicated and True airspeed is due to the fact that, being the air thinner, the dynamic flow that impacts the Pitot tube is weaker than at sea level, this resulting in inaccurate readings of the anemomenter (explained in a rush, but if you click the above link, you'll have a thorough explanation).
It's probably due to Italian being your native language, so I think you are referring to dynamic pressure rather than flow. The airspeed indicator is a differential pressure gauge.
The system isn't measuring flow, its measuring the pressure difference between static (ambient) pressure and ram pressure in the pitot tube.
My regards,
Widewing
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Since i have an actual pilots licsense i'll tell it to you like this. There is no way you would want a game (AH) to acurately simulate every aspect of real life flying. In terms of airspeed these are the airspeeds i remember as i haven't flown in about 8 years.
Indicated airspeed - As Widewing said measured by static pressure and ram air pitot tube pressure. Basically it's your aircraft calculating the difference between how fast your moving using the still air pressure as a reference. However since the static pressure changes with altitude it's not totally acurate. The geater the difference the higher your speed will read. Hence if you get a blocked static port in instrument conditions you will get wild inacurate readings. Pitot tubes even have a little heater in them called pitot heat to prevent icing.
True airspeed - Basically a true measurement of your aircraft's speed through the air, corrected for atmospheric temperature and pressure.
Calibrated airspeed - It's been awhile but i believe this was airspeed corrected from indicated airspeed corrected for atmospheric pressure.
Groundspeed - Your speed over the ground corrected for headwinds and tailwinds. Very important in navigation. I have been in cessnas flying and navigating and even though my indicated airspeed was reading say 100 -120 mph. When i calculated groundpeed with predicted winds aloft, i was only going 50 or 60 mph over the ground. lol
Than you have knots and mph and the differences there. A knot is longer than a statute mile so you may be going 250 knots. But that could correlate to say 300 mph.
If you think the Aces High planes don't match up to real life speeds take a plane up to altitude, look at a real life performance chart and you'll see it's right on the money. Be sure to read true airspeed. I have done extensive testing to check. A P-47N WILL do 470 tas at about 25k or so. A P-38 will do about 417 to 421 tas at 22 to 25k. Reading True airspeed.
If your're looking at indicated airspeed which is the reading off that little speed dial in your cockpit you're getting the wrong interpretation. So it's not Aces High it's you.
That's all i remember from passing that FAA exam and checkride in July of 1997 at the age of 19. It's been awhile but i think i'm pretty much right about it.
Cheers ! :aok
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There are three airspeeds
Indicated
True
Calibrated
There was only one airspeed indicated in WWII era aircraft, that was the Indicated Airspeed.
That was the airspeed indicated on the instrument face in the panel. Aircraft did not show True Airspeed or calibrated airspeed.
True Airspeed is the result of computations and is the result of pressure altitude and temperature.
Calibrated Airspeed is the Indicated Airspeed corrected for instrument placement and errors.
Pilots are always trained to fly the aircraft according to what is shown on the Airspeed indicator or Indicated Airspeed.
None of the three airspeeds is equal to ground speed.
Ground Speed is the result of the calculation time x distance + - wind triangle speed.
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Originally posted by Traveler
There are three airspeeds
Indicated
True
Calibrated
There was only one airspeed indicated in WWII era aircraft, that was the Indicated Airspeed.
That was the airspeed indicated on the instrument face in the panel. Aircraft did not show True Airspeed or calibrated airspeed.
True Airspeed is the result of computations and is the result of pressure altitude and temperature.
Calibrated Airspeed is the Indicated Airspeed corrected for instrument placement and errors.
Pilots are always trained to fly the aircraft according to what is shown on the Airspeed indicator or Indicated Airspeed.
None of the three airspeeds is equal to ground speed.
Ground Speed is the result of the calculation time x distance + - wind triangle speed.
Excellent Traveler i knew i was messing up the calibrated airspeed explanation. All this is somewhat similiar with the different compass readings. The magnetic variation, the indicated compass reading, and the compass corrected for magnetic deviation. Corrected for instrument placement and errors such as the effect of the engine, radio placement. etc
Sort of like the calibrated airspeed.
I remember when they pulled out the E6B flight computer, which is basically like a circular slide rule and started explaning all that. I almost said...I QUIT ! lol. Are you a pilot too just wondering?
S! :D
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Originally posted by Cmustard
Nothing i just want this crap to get fixed!
There is nothing TO fix...
Plus, I'm betting when you "tested" this, you forgot, as they said, to fly "Balls to the Wall"
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Originally posted by Widewing
It's probably due to Italian being your native language ...
Yep, that is, WW. I thought I could use flow as synonymous... the word "pressure" didn't come to mind at that moment. Thanks for the correction! :)
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Originally posted by Traveler
Pilots are always trained to fly the aircraft according to what is shown on the Airspeed indicator or Indicated Airspeed.
Indeed and, IIRC, there's a very good reason for this. The stall speed of an airplane doesn't change when it's stated as IAS, whereas it varies if TAS. That means that an airplane that, at sea level, stalls at, say, 150 mph of IAS, will always stall at 150 mph IAS, no matter what altitude it is. While, if you were to measure speeds as TAS, the stall speed would be varying according to altitude. This way pilots only have to remember 1 value for it.
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A stall is really more of an angle Gianlupo. You can stall going straight down, just pull on the stick hard and fast enough and you'll change the airplanes angle of attack quicker than the relative wind can make up for it. Your airspeed might not even be reading the indicated stall speed value. Accelerated stalls they call them.
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Yep, I know. But angles of attack and speed are related (http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/aoa.html#toc31). And I was talking about stall speed in level flight, of course, not accelerated stalls. ;)
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rgr, dodger... right you are.
:aok