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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FiLtH on November 20, 2007, 07:47:18 AM
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Im just daydreaming here so bear with me.
Imagine if when in the hangar you could upgrade planes with perk point you have. If it goes down you lost alot of perkies.
Lets say you could add things like high speed flaps, cannons,engines, (no jets) bubble canopy, gunsights, pilot armor.
What kind of monster would you create?
Mine would be a P40E airframe
Add-ons would be:
2 - cannon
Spit Engine
F6F gunsight
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Haha, I'd use the A6M5b.
4x 20mm Hispano's
Corsair Flaps and Rudder.
Hellcat Armor
Spit Engine
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P-51D or and F4U-4 with 4 20mm Hizookas *drools*
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P47 D-11 with the N's engine.
Unstoppable.
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PS..try to keep it somewhat realistic
Airflyer :P I thought I was dreamin! :)
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109's with a p-51D bubble canopy.
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190A-5 Airframe
remove 7.9mm MGs+ammo
Select 3xMinengeschoss 1xAP sequence instead of the current generic 20mm
Add Supercharger (it doesnt have one, right?)
Matt :D
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rv8 airframe
4 hispanos
poney engine
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put merlin engines on the p-38, put the p-47 props on the merlins.
although not a historical weapon, id remove all guns from the 38 and replace with a single .303 API/APHE gatling gun and 6000 rounds of ammo.
id be happy with a super-accelerating p-38 that would have a top speed of 500 and an a-10 like gun on it. After all, why simply shoot them down when you can make them scream before, during and after you shoot them down?
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Originally posted by wooly15
P-51D 4 20mm Hizookas *drools*
I believe the Brits had 200-300 of these bad boys in the war.
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hmmm...
spitfire mkVb - airframe
spitfire mkVb - engine
spitfire mkVb - 20mm x 2 - .303 x 4
spitfire mkVb - canopy, fuel, performance, looks, exactly.
now theres a plane for dreamers! unbeatable in the right hands.
Perked option loadout - N1k ammo load out for 20mm :D
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I believe the Brits had 200-300 of these bad boys in the war.
The F4U-4B had 20mm's but I'm not sure if and D-ponies did. Early mustangs had them.
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I'd give my plane super secret stealth and .kill commands.
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Well, most of the suggestions here are *a bit* out of this world engineering-wise. :)
One that would be mostly doable...
Take Bf109G-2, loose the machine guns to save weight, switch the canopy to G-14's Erla-one, replace 20mm-cannon with the 30mm one and the MW-50 would add the final touch. ;)
Also, the deeper oil cooler from the G-14 might be good for keeping oil temp in check as well. :)
It would be more maneuverable and slightly faster than a G-14 and would out climb the K-4. :)
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lol @bat :aok
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Originally posted by Bingolong
I believe the Brits had 200-300 of these bad boys in the war.
they were P51A and C models .
They also had a 4 303 and 450cal arment vesion with 2 50cal under the engine and 2 in the wing roots the 4 303 where the D's 50cals are.
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We do not need to think of any other plane but the spitfire v with 120 rpg.
OH WAIT!We had one!!!:(
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Hurri Mk 1 with all hispanos instead of .303's. Same ammo load. (this IS a fantasy list right?)
I own a .303 rifle. Great for hunting deer in PA. Not so great for hunting aircraft, at least with me shooting.
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Mossie with P38L Flaps
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C-47 with HTC "tree" armor. :D
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How about an Ostie with an extra 37MM Flak 18 and some more turret armor? Oh yeah! Or an F6F5 with Hispano's instead of 50's?
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I want to upgrade the Niki to the Airwolf :)
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Actually all you would need is an F7F:). No other plane (prop) came close.
As for the current plane set again all you need is what was historically readily available...F6F with the 2x20mm load out.
Now if you want to get a bit outlandish...just put the DB605 in a Ki-61...or in a C.205:aok
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K4 with any other canopy...:t
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Originally posted by Solar10
Mossie with P38L Flaps
Really? Why not the flaps from the J or the G?
ack-ack
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P-51C didn't carry Hispanos. The only difference between the Pony B and C was what plant built them.
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D3A with Hispanos in the nose replacing the 7.62mms...
Drop the wing fuel amount for some self sealing tanks...
Drop the rear gunners stuff for some extra armor...
Replace the engines with an Yak-9Us...
Paint it up like a huge flying walrus...
Tuuuurrrrnnn and buuurrrrn baby! WOO!
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Originally posted by Rebel
P47 D-11 with the N's engine.
Unstoppable.
That is a P47J more or less. Oh boy, hold on to your seat and hit the WEP :D
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I'd use my perks to put bombs on the 262. Very realistic actually... :)
Also be nice to get the other models/armaments of the Mossie (4K lb, big cannon model, etc...)
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The best combination ever:
190D-9 airframe
P-47 Supercharger
1 30 mm spinner cannon with 65 rounds, rest regular armament
4 Wr10 rockets
Regards.
Subway
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You know what's funny about threads like these?
The people involved never stop to think that Franken-planes 99% of the time end up worse than the planes they took the parts from.
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Originally posted by Saxman
You know what's funny about threads like these?
The people involved never stop to think that Franken-planes 99% of the time end up worse than the planes they took the parts from.
You can make the D3A worse...?
Go on...
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Originally posted by Avaro
K4 with any other canopy...:t
F86's with Napalm Bombs WOO! WOO!
In all seriousness, I would really like to see the Mustang IA (very early Mustang with 4x20mm Hispanos). Would be a great perk bird in the earlier arenas. Hell, would like to also see the Bearcat and Gloster Meteor while we're at it...
Shamroc
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All I need is my 'Smilin' Cat' (F6F)
Ok a cupholder would be nice:D ...
and the occasional +10-15 mph for the runners:lol
and 2 or 3 more polygons;)
and a better net connection/PC/more free time/colder beer/hot wings:(
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D pony with the hizookas!
donkey
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I,d like a typhie with the roll rate of a 109
Roooooooooooooll another one
Just like the other one,
Boner
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P-38 with 2 Rolls-Royce Griffon engines, and the nose guns replaced with 4x 20mm Hispano cannon.
Victory is mine!
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Also, P-40 with Merlin engine, and 4x 20mm Hispano cannon, and bubble canopy.
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P-38 k
OR
Spit with a low alt grif Spit Mk XII
or
P-39/63 with turbo supercharger
:noid :noid :noid
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No real engineering necessary for this one:
P-38K (http://home.att.net/~C.C.Jordan/P-38K.html)
Taken to its final iteration, you'd call it the P-38R. Take the P-38K, swap in the Allison engines that ended up in the P-82. Add the FOUR blade paddle prop. Swap the 4 50 BMG package for 4 20MM cannons. No real engineering needed there, either.
Take the P-40N, and swap in the engine from a P-38L (turbo and all), and the four blade paddle prop. Put the 4 20MM package on it, or leave it with the 6 50 BMG package. All you have to do there is package the turbo, and raise the cowl around the prop. Not a lot of engineering there.
Put the turbocharger BACK on the P-39. Put a 6 50BMG package in the wings. Put a 20MM or a 40MM in the prop hub cannon. Add the four blade paddle prop.
Hang the 4 20MM package on the Goodyear Corsair.
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lancasters with hispanos,and the same round amount that is in the nose,moved to the tail...Oh yea,dont forget the belly gun..:O
...:aok
Kevin
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Hurri MkII with P51 Canopy and Spit 16 powerplant
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Originally posted by stickpig
Hurri MkII with P51 Canopy and Spit 16 powerplant
Lol you'd rip the wings off! :)
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I think the P-38K article pretty nicely highlights the problem with taking parts for one aircraft and using them in another. A lot of times, there's a LOT more work to be done than just slapping in a new engine, and often times will introduce NEW problems.
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Cessna 172 with a Merlin and 4x .50cal's!!!!
And 4x Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles!
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Originally posted by FiLtH
PS..try to keep it somewhat realistic
Airflyer :P I thought I was dreamin! :)
I thought this was a go big or don't go at all deal. :D I'd settle for an A6M6C though.
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Originally posted by Saxman
I think the P-38K article pretty nicely highlights the problem with taking parts for one aircraft and using them in another. A lot of times, there's a LOT more work to be done than just slapping in a new engine, and often times will introduce NEW problems.
The only real issue with the P-38K was raising the centerline of the engine cowl to accommodate the props. And that only required a minor change, nothing major. The engine was a bolt in. Had the P-38 been properly second sourced, so that short production stoppages could have been tolerated, the P-38K could have been phased in easily. Curtiss Electric could have built the props, since their POS prop would no longer have been needed.
Had Lockheed NOT been building B-17's, but more P-38's instead, with the B-17 production at Lockheed shifted to Consolidated Vultee in Nashville, where the P-38 was SUPPOSED to be second sourced, the P-38K could have been phased in easily, one line at a time. There'd have been at least 5000 MORE P-38's produced, that the USAAF wanted badly, the P-38K would have followed the P-38J-10-Lo, or even the P-38J-1-Lo, and been in action in late 1943 or early 1944. Probably with twice as many available.
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Originally posted by humble
Actually all you would need is an F7F:). No other plane (prop) came close.
As for the current plane set again all you need is what was historically readily available...F6F with the 2x20mm load out.
cough..bearcat..cough...
hellcat with hispano's would indeed rock, although I'd prefer more engine power over cannons. I'd love a kitty with the F4U-4's engine and prop, then you'd basically have a larger scale bearcat... :)
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I'd like to see what the F2G could have been had the Navy and Marines had time to iron out the bugs.
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Originally posted by Makoyouidiot
Lol you'd rip the wings off! :)
omg not a chance! have you never looked how freakin fat the hurri's wings are?
:O
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... I'd take a B-17, throw on a Faction Microwarp-drive, some nano-fiber hulls mods, inertial stabs, and a full snake implant set and some T2 torp launchers and run around at 15K/s torp spamming people in lowsec...
err wait... a minute.. .wrong game...:noid
I know exactly what I'd do for my Franken-Plane.
F4U-4 Corsair... take a cutting torch... and cut out 5 inches of that gorram stupid freaking hood right above the pilot's freaking head so that I can actually see someone when I look up.
There. Perfect plane.
Oh... and add a phase conjugate tracking system with a large spinning mirror and a frozen bromide in argon matrix laser system, with an output hotter than the sun... mount that on the tail of my Corsair. I'm really good at getting all my opponents on one side of my plane... it just happens to be the side without any guns.:cry
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Actually most F4U-4s DID have the aluminum plate above the pilot's head removed. Not sure why our -4 still has it.
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STOOOOOOOKAAAA WITH NOOOOOOOOOOOK AND LGAY7 ENGINE WOOH!!! WOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!:aok
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ultimate plane would be " THE CRITTER"
corsair airframe
zero for turning
me262 gun package
pony engine
and t32 for armor...
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Pony engine is a big no no.
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Last time I checked the Corsair's engine was a pure beast, something along the lines of 2,000+ Horses, sticking that tiny little Pony engine in it would equate to trying to drive an 18-wheeler with something pulled out of a minivan.
And the U-4 when flown right can turn with a Zero, not well and you won't win any style awards but you can do it... better to just use its muscle and kill the zeke in the vertical.
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Originally posted by Makoyouidiot
Lol you'd rip the wings off! :)
Nah.....
Hurricane is a tough bird
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Indeed. :)
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P40B with Corsair engine/landing gear, Tempest diving ability, and Zero's Turning :noid :D
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Base Plane: IL2.
Put 262 engines on it.
Put 234's tail guns on the back.
LINE THE WINGS with 30mm cannons. 4 on each wing, total of 8. Also put 2 50 cals on the tips of the wings. (Total of 4 50's)
Awesome diving ability.
Speed.
Turning as is.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Base Plane: IL2.
Put 262 engines on it.
Put 234's tail guns on the back.
LINE THE WINGS with 30mm cannons. 4 on each wing, total of 8. Also put 2 50 cals on the tips of the wings. (Total of 4 50's)
Awesome diving ability.
Speed.
Turning as is.
AKA: The perfect Ho-ing machine :)
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I'd like a P51D that actually performs like the plane did in WWII.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Base Plane: IL2.
Put 262 engines on it.
Put 234's tail guns on the back.
LINE THE WINGS with 30mm cannons. 4 on each wing, total of 8. Also put 2 50 cals on the tips of the wings. (Total of 4 50's)
Awesome diving ability.
Speed.
Turning as is.
This would also be great for those times you need to fly backwards or stop suddenly..... just fire all the guns at once. Granted, it might just tear the wings off instead.
Greatest plane (except for same problem above):
P38-L with B-25's 75 mm cannon on each wing, .50 cals replaced with 20mms.
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either a B-25H with Ar-234 engines, reinforced wings and an GAU-8 in place of the 75mm.
or an F4U-4 with an M-61a1 cannon under both wings.
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Originally posted by wooly15
The F4U-4B had 20mm's but I'm not sure if and D-ponies did. Early mustangs had them.
that i recall, no mustangs used in ww2 were equipped with cannons of any sort?
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I'd take a P38 that has 6 .50s in the nose... they were used in combat to boot.
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Take a B25H, remove the waist gunners and replace them with 234 engines, 1 mount to each side just under the tail. Replace all 50cals with 20mms. Increase the elevators for more down force. Remove the bomb racks and add extra storage for 20mm ammo. Add Rocket and bomb racks to the wings. Put the pilot in an armored bathtub like the IL2. Then we might have a nice AH version of the A10 :D