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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BMathis on November 20, 2007, 03:47:30 PM
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I was in the MA last night with Kermit. We took up Pony Bs and flew towards the largest dar bar we could find. I was jumped by about 6 Knits. My wingman Kermit and I were separated. A P51-B Chased me, and one of the Best fights I've ever had ensued... Check it out. <
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Dangerous Encounter (http://stage6.divx.com/user/bmathis/video/1874319/Dangerous-Encounter) (stage6)
Dangerous Encounter (You Tube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlfZeY1aml8)
Mathis
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You do realize you filmed yourself turning your engine off to turn tighter?
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Originally posted by Chalenge
You do realize you filmed yourself turning your engine off to turn tighter?
:lol
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Originally posted by Chalenge
You do realize you filmed yourself turning your engine off to turn tighter?
And the problem with this is?
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Engine blipping didn't occur after WWI... in AH it is an incredibly laughable tactic.
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Engine cutter!
:lol
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Originally posted by Chalenge
You do realize you filmed yourself turning your engine off to turn tighter?
I wasn't even in a turn when it cut off. We were in a dive. He over shot, then we turned. Thanks for watching.
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Looked like it was a pretty good time!!
Keep it up!!
Boner
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Originally posted by bnasty
I wasn't even in a turn when it cut off.
::rofl
Engine cutter.
Engine cutting ranks among the dweebiest, ghey things you can do.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
::rofl
Engine cutter.
Engine cutting ranks among the dweebiest, ghey things you can do.
I agree! :aok
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Originally posted by Chalenge
You do realize you filmed yourself turning your engine off to turn tighter?
:huh
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Kermits gay....
:noid
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Originally posted by Slash27
Kermits gay....
:noid
:D :aok I've thought this for years aswell... It finally comes out???
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There should be a 30 second delay between shutting off your engine and being able to restart it...
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Originally posted by VWE
There should be a 30 second delay between shutting off your engine and being able to restart it...
There should be engine malfunctions..... :p
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
::rofl
Engine cutter.
Engine cutting ranks among the dweebiest, ghey things you can do.
I have flown against quite a few 'old timers' who do this. If there is a real issue with it then ask it be 'fixed'.
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Originally posted by ded
I have flown against quite a few 'old timers' who do this. If there is a real issue with it then ask it be 'fixed'.
haha.. What do you consider "old timer"?
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I love you Avaro!
Edit:
Slash is my boy toy...it's his work outfit...
;)
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Wow, Mathis, you're becoming a RL pilot! You lucky SOB! :) The Glasair is so cool... nice landing! :aok
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Originally posted by VWE
There should be a 30 second delay between shutting off your engine and being able to restart it...
GV guys would sureley love this ;)
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I didn't bother watching the film, but whats the difference between turning the engine off and throttling all the way back?
It didn't used to be anything, you didn't slow down faster one way or the other.
If you get killed because you overshot against some "gamer" who turned his engine off to slow down.. you would have been killed just the same had he throttled back.
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Originally posted by ded
I have flown against quite a few 'old timers' who do this. If there is a real issue with it then ask it be 'fixed'.
Really? Name quite a few. Go ahead.
BS
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Originally posted by Urchin
I didn't bother watching the film, but whats the difference between turning the engine off and throttling all the way back?
It didn't used to be anything, you didn't slow down faster one way or the other.
If you get killed because you overshot against some "gamer" who turned his engine off to slow down.. you would have been killed just the same had he throttled back.
I recall someone testing it quite some time ago to really find and those were the results. Widewing perhaps?
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I can name three (3) guys that do this very thing regularly and against anyone that knows whats going on at least it doesnt help them at all yet they will deny it even after having done it and knowing it was filmed. Somehow they have come to believe it will help and still continue to act this way.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I can name three (3) guys that do this very thing regularly and against anyone that knows whats going on at least it doesnt help them at all yet they will deny it even after having done it and knowing it was filmed. Somehow they have come to believe it will help and still continue to act this way.
Why should you care then? Just throttle back and slow down faster than the guy turning off his engine. You can then throttle up immediately unlike the guy who turned off his engine.
I don't understand why you are so touchy about this.
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I don't see what the issue is with someone cutting their engine other than it's a stupid idea.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Why should you care then? Just throttle back and slow down faster than the guy turning off his engine. You can then throttle up immediately unlike the guy who turned off his engine.
I don't understand why you are so touchy about this.
I dont know what made you think I was touchy about it. It makes for a good laugh when you find someone so 'pressed' that they resort to doing stupid things like this.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I dont know what made you think I was touchy about it. It makes for a good laugh when you find someone so 'pressed' that they resort to doing stupid things like this.
or quoting yourself in your sig? ;)
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EVERY AIRPLANE in this Game (and in RL) has a little RED KNOB called mixture. You pull on that knob, the engine goes putt putt... Most of you commenting about this "Engine Cutter" crap don't know this because your cartoon pilot status has your ego so big, that you think you know everything about airplanes right?
In RL, you have free will to cut off your engine(s) anytime, anywhere, for any reason.
Even if it's a dweeby thing to do in game, the point of this thread was to share a movie with our community and enjoy it. Not to start hating on people.
Thanks to those who did watch it. i hope you enjoyed.
Mathis
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Thanks Gian, that Glasair III cruises nearly 300 mph. It's a biotch to land, as you come over the threshold at 90 knts... It's a blast though. Thanks for checking that out bud <>.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I dont know what made you think I was touchy about it. It makes for a good laugh when you find someone so 'pressed' that they resort to doing stupid things like this.
I don't think he was "pressed" to resort to doing anything remotely stupid.
I think you were wrong and are now just trying to back up something stupid you have said.
1. he wasn't trying to turn tighter.
2. if you overshoot on someone turning off their engine, you'd overshoot if they throttle back.
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Holy Dork-Alert ™ Batman!
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Originally posted by bnasty
EVERY AIRPLANE in this Game (and in RL) has a little RED KNOB called mixture. You pull on that knob, the engine goes putt putt... Most of you commenting about this "Engine Cutter" crap don't know this because your cartoon pilot status has your ego so big, that you think you know everything about airplanes right?
You mean mixture control LEVER? The knob on top of the lever isn't always red either :) I didn't see anyone question the ability to cut the engine in flight. The question is if anyone would actually do that, if the implication was then having to go through start up proceedures while maneuvering under varying G loads, and not fracking it up in the process.
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Murdr, you obviously know a little about flying. You a RL pilot?
Oh, and Obviously I didn't Frack up my restart procedure :D ....or did you not watch the film?
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Originally posted by bnasty
EVERY AIRPLANE in this Game (and in RL) has a little RED KNOB called mixture. You pull on that knob, the engine goes putt putt... Most of you commenting about this "Engine Cutter" crap don't know this because your cartoon pilot status has your ego so big, that you think you know everything about airplanes right?
In RL, you have free will to cut off your engine(s) anytime, anywhere, for any reason.
Even if it's a dweeby thing to do in game, the point of this thread was to share a movie with our community and enjoy it. Not to start hating on people.
Thanks to those who did watch it. i hope you enjoyed.
Mathis
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Thanks Gian, that Glasair III cruises nearly 300 mph. It's a biotch to land, as you come over the threshold at 90 knts... It's a blast though. Thanks for checking that out bud <>.
What happens if you run into an engine malfuntion?? :p We don't have mixture in this game your thinking of IL-2...:aok Here It's just engine cutting its dweebish, noobish, and whatever else someone wants to call it. IN game that is.. Is it that hard to cut throttle without crashing?? :p
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I don't think he was "pressed" to resort to doing anything remotely stupid.
I think you were wrong and are now just trying to back up something stupid you have said.
1. he wasn't trying to turn tighter.
2. if you overshoot on someone turning off their engine, you'd overshoot if they throttle back.
When I said 'pressed' a meant generally the people I see online and not bnasty in particular. Your 'thinking' too hard.
Yes I wish we had mixture control and pitch controls too and not the coupled throttle/mixture controls we have now.
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Originally posted by bnasty
and one of the Best fights I've ever had ensued... Check it out. <>
Did he collide with you at the end?
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
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2. if you overshoot on someone turning off their engine, you'd overshoot if they throttle back.
Can someone respond to that please? Not just play devil's advocate either, but someone who actually believes this to be a problem?
Chalenge, you are welcomed to respond to this as well.
This is a good issue to bring up.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Can someone respond to that please? Not just play devil's advocate either, but someone who actually believes this to be a problem?
Chalenge, you are welcomed to respond to this as well.
This is a good issue to bring up.
Well, It is true that if you cut throttle you get the same effect, but some people just don't have the coordination i guess.... :D
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a guess it is.
I do not think it's a lack of coordination, but then again, you may have just said what you said for other reasons.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Did he collide with you at the end?
It looked like it in the film, but he passed right under me. He probably was blacked out from PW perhaps, cuz he just went into the drink...
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Originally posted by Avaro
Well, It is true that if you cut throttle you get the same effect, but some people just don't have the coordination i guess.... :D
That's a guess allright. I'm really not sure what you mean by not coordinated enough (I'm sure you said that for other reasons). Fly with me sometime and you might find out. I've only been playing this game for about a year. I do not think I'm in the wrong here.... I was fighting an a6m last night, he shut his engine off 3 times while I was fighting him. And a 4th time when I came back off the CV and engaged.
I just wanted people who don't often get a chance to play, to see some AH movies/footage. Further, I enjoy making them. That's what this thread was originally about.
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Originally posted by thrila
I recall someone testing it quite some time ago to really find and those were the results. Widewing perhaps?
Yeah, I tested it a while back. Killing the engine results in more drag than just throttling back, so you bleed E faster. At least it worked that way back when I tested it...
I'll test it again.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by bnasty
That's a guess allright. I'm really not sure what you mean by not coordinated enough (I'm sure you said that for other reasons). Fly with me sometime and you might find out. I've only been playing this game for about a year. I do not think I'm in the wrong here.... I was fighting an a6m last night, he shut his engine off 3 times while I was fighting him. And a 4th time when I came back off the CV and engaged.
I just wanted people who don't often get a chance to play, to see some AH movies/footage. Further, I enjoy making them. That's what this thread was originally about.
I thank you for your film, but I have to say cutting engine Is a dweebish move.. Just cut throttle the throttle lol. I'm saying people that can't cut throttle without looking down arn't coordinated. That's just my opinion though......
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Originally posted by Widewing
Yeah, I tested it a while back. Killing the engine results in more drag than just throttling back, so you bleed E faster. At least it worked that way back when I tested it...
I'll test it again.
My regards,
Widewing
SOB...
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Ok, offline test of the P-51B...
Deceleration time from 350 mph TAS to 200 mph at 100 feet ASL.
Engine off: 26.54 seconds
Throttle to idle: 26.56 seconds
No difference whatsoever. Killing the engine gains you nothing. So, Urchin was correct.
My regards,
Widewing
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LOL gamey dweebs.
What about torque, does blipping the engine instantly negate torque?
I came across a couple of dweebs doing it the other night - score weenies too, one was tx58 (or some sort tx-number) and the other was gsx1000r - dunno which one was doing it but I could hear one of them restarting every now and then, they both died too :)
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Originally posted by bnasty
EVERY AIRPLANE in this Game (and in RL) has a little RED KNOB called mixture. You pull on that knob, the engine goes putt putt... Most of you commenting about this "Engine Cutter" crap don't know this because your cartoon pilot status has your ego so big, that you think you know everything about airplanes right?
we don't fly airplanes in the game, tard. So someone wishing to comment need not know a thing about airplanes in real life. We manipulate pixels on a monitor via HID's. Turn the motor off in the game and you are instantly without torque... it's a gamey, chickenchit thing to do, cutter.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
we don't fly airplanes in the game, tard. So someone wishing to comment need not know a thing about airplanes in real life. We manipulate pixels on a monitor via HID's. Turn the motor off in the game and you are instantly without torque... it's a gamey, chickenchit thing to do, cutter.
Wow, someone is a little pissed. LOL. Sucks you don't know the real joy of flying. Tard, wonderful use of an adjective lol
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
we don't fly airplanes in the game, tard. So someone wishing to comment need not know a thing about airplanes in real life. We manipulate pixels on a monitor via HID's. Turn the motor off in the game and you are instantly without torque... it's a gamey, chickenchit thing to do, cutter.
So you are saying that engine off and throttle back to idle has a significant difference in torque?
I throttle back all the time to help reduce torque when needed.
BTW, torque was not the issue, until Widewing proved your decelleration theory. You looking for something to promote your gamey theory gives an unfair advantage or honestly believe this torque difference is an issue?
Edit: been hell at work, but finally have a slow afternoon before the 4 day weekend...so let's get this discussion going. :)
2nd Edit:
engine off during flight has the same effect with different conclusions depending on airspeed. Torque is more of an issue at slow speeds, but with engine off, you've lost some flap, rudder & elevator control as well as stall speed.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
What about torque, does blipping the engine instantly negate torque?
I belive it does.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
So you are saying that engine off and throttle back to idle has a significant difference in torque?
I throttle back all the time to help reduce torque when needed.
BTW, torque was not the issue, until Widewing proved your decelleration theory. You looking for something to promote your gamey theory gives an unfair advantage or honestly believe this torque difference is an issue?
Edit: been hell at work, but finally have a slow afternoon before the 4 day weekend...so let's get this discussion going. :)
I'm losing steam as far as interest goes, to be honest. What decelleration theory?
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Chalenge accused bmathis of turning his engine off to turn tighter.
Bmathis then correct chalenge by telling him he was in a dive and not a turn so chalenge was wrong.
Then you quoted bmathis on his explanation and what you said was
Originally posted by SteveBailey
::rofl
Engine cutter.
Engine cutting ranks among the dweebiest, ghey things you can do.
I assume you used the word "ghey" because that is something you do not like and engine cutting is another issue you do not like so they are similiar to you.
Then you stated the torque issue, which may have been your reason to think it was gamey in the beginning. I wished you had explaned that before widewings post on the decelleration results.
What do you mean by engine cutting to be gamey? Do you mean it gives a person an unfair advantage?
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
What do you mean by engine cutting to be gamey?
One thing that bothers me is that when you turn the engine back on, it immediately is up to full thrust/torque. There's no ramp up, no re-start time..... etc.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
One thing that bothers me is that when you turn the engine back on, it immediately is up to full thrust/torque. There's no ramp up, no re-start time..... etc.
Acutally I believe if you leave it off long enuff you have to restart It completly.. Not sure though :aok
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
One thing that bothers me is that when you turn the engine back on, it immediately is up to full thrust/torque. There's no ramp up, no re-start time..... etc.
I had typed up a whole page worth, but deleted it.
I need to know Steve is you think it gives the pilot an unfair advantage?
So far, you don't like the way engines are shutoff/started-up while an airplane is still in flight. That's all I know so far.
Edit: Avaro, I think that's the case too whenever you leave the engine off for too long. (more than ~4 seconds)
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Avaro, you may be right. I'm pretty sure thats happened to me in the hurri 1 when i've pulled neg g's for too long.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I had typed up a whole page worth, but deleted it.
I need to know Steve is you think it gives the pilot an unfair advantage?
I don't know that it gives any advantage, other than the instant start up I mentioned. As far as decelleration goes, I always assumed it didn't really have any significant effect. This was an assumption, not based in fact.
Much like the negative G evasive, then instant nose up, people do in the IL2's, it has no basis of anykind, that I'm aware of, in WWII combat. Ergo, it shouldn't be used in our simulation.....thus gamey.
I sense that you are lying in wait Kermit, ready to pounce on me with one argument or another. I don't see the point, really. i've statedmy opinion on the matter and, based on some posts in this thread, there are others who feel the same.
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Who cares if someone turns off their engine, people drop their gears and do all kinda stupid things thinking it will actually help them. You do not ever have to out turn any plane, you only have to turn smarter than it.
IMO if you are going to pick apart the fight, I would have never dropped to the deck in that fight. In most fights the guy whom controls the alt in a fight will be the winner assuming he knows what he's doing.
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I tested the P-51B for torque when at idle and with the engine switched off and windmilling.
Understand that a windmilling prop will produce torque.
I trimmed out for level flight at idle... minor trim changes were required to keep the nose level as speed decreased. I then killed the motor. I saw no change in the altitude of the airplane in yaw or roll. Switched back on (at idle), again no discernible change was noted.
I then pulled into a constant left turn, bringing the aircraft to a buffet. I then chopped throttle to idle and noted the change in handling. I repeated this, but killed the engine with the E key instead. I noticed no difference.
My conclusion is that the difference in torque at idle (prop windmilling) and with the engine switched off (and windmilling) is negligible, if any exists at all.
So, I still don't see how killing the engine gains you any advantage.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by crockett
Who cares if someone turns off their engine, people drop their gears and do all kinda stupid things thinking it will actually help them. You do not ever have to out turn any plane, you only have to turn smarter than it.
IMO if you are going to pick apart the fight, I would have never dropped to the deck in that fight. In most fights the guy whom controls the alt in a fight will be the winner assuming he knows what he's doing.
Haha, but thats to pwn in a hog... :D Cut throttle drop the gear... Where's blukitty at? lol
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
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Much like the negative G evasive, then instant nose up, people do in the IL2's, it has no basis of anykind, that I'm aware of, in WWII combat. Ergo, it shouldn't be used in our simulation.....thus gamey.
I sense that you are lying in wait Kermit, ready to pounce on me with one argument or another. I don't see the point, really. i've statedmy opinion on the matter and, based on some posts in this thread, there are others who feel the same.
I was lying in wait, ready for a discussion if you went in one direction.
Others feeling the same as you? I sure there are, but why did you say that? You trying to say if others feel the same way, that it must be true? I think maybe you are saying that it's not just be that feels this way, so maybe you should think about why this is so. Well I am. Hence the discussion.
About your IL2 example. That's a good one. I feel it's gamey too. But why? I don't think I have an answer for that one. Stick stirring as well. I wonder if this game measures sideways G's on the pilot at all?
It was a cool film Bmathis. Sorry if Steve Hijacked your thread.
:p
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Originally posted by thrila
Avaro, you may be right. I'm pretty sure thats happened to me in the hurri 1 when i've pulled neg g's for too long.
I can confirm that, I fly it all the time. If you stall the engine out too long, you do have to manually restart it. .
As a side not about the only time I've stalled one that much is in a very steep dive.
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Widewing said what I was going to imply if you Steve said Yes to the question of an advantage being gained.
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Originally posted by Avaro
Haha, but thats to pwn in a hog... :D Cut throttle drop the gear... Where's blukitty at? lol
I love when Hogs do that kinda stuff.. I just keep my E and pull up and over and pounce them again on the way back down. :D
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Mayhaps you gents are forgetting that not everyone can go out and purchase a 200$ Stick and throttle setup. With enough control surfaces, buttons, and programming software to be able to play this game without ever touching the keyboard. (Thank you Saitek X-52 Pro)
Back when I only had my Cyborg Evo, with the throttle attached to the stick, I would have to use my left hand on the keyboard for landing gear, flaps, WEP, etc. etc.
Now in that case, what is more economical, pushing E to shut off the engine with the same effect as dropping throttle, and not losing key orientation due to removing your hand from the keyboard. Or reaching across my desk to my stick and dropping the throttle, then hoping I know my keyboard well enough to hit the flap button the right time the first time in order to keep the plane under control. Or, cut engine, drop flaps, increase engine power?
I was able to do that with 3 keys by cutting the engine. Whereas if I didn't, I'd have to drop throttle, hope I hit the right key and move my hand back to the throttle, then back to the keyboard for more controls.
All cutting the engine does is provide a shortcut for those players who can't afford a seperate throttle assembly. Thus making it a little more balanced towards those who can.
Personally, once I got all my controls programmed into my X-52 Pro, I never had to cut the engine ever again.
But just because I don't have to doesn't mean everyone else has an X-52 Pro and can just pull their arm back, or forward, or click the forward hat on the throttle for flaps and the little button for WEP. Or have a quick pan switch button for views, or have neat little toggle buttons for their trim controls. (Which have spared my 109 many a lawndart's fate.)
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Originally posted by crockett
I love when Hogs do that kinda stuff.. I just keep my E and pull up and over and pounce them again on the way back down. :D
Hmm, Say your against a good turn fighter your in a turn fight your a bit above him you need to turn inside before you lose your advantage.. Cut throttle drop gear boomm... :p
I have a move for people that keep there e and zoom away.... :aok
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Hoffman, I use my keyboard and a Standard MS Sidewinder FF Joystick. Personally I have no problems at all working my flaps and WEP via my keyboard and still having good throttle control.
Sure maybe someone with a separate throttle control and lots of buttons has a slight advantage, but I've never felt it as much of an issue.
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Originally posted by Avaro
Hmm, Say your against a good turn fighter your in a turn fight your a bit above him you need to turn inside before you lose your advantage.. Cut throttle drop gear boomm... :p
I have a move for people that keep there e and zoom away.... :aok
I live for the turn fights, but I have learned flying a Hurri 1 not to throw away my E. I'm not a BnZzzzzzer in any sort as BnZing in a Huri 1 is a pretty useless tactic. The guns don't have enough kill power for the quick snap shot required to kill using BnZ's.
You are welcome to try your throttle drop gear boomm move on me in the DA. I'll fly my Hurri 1 you can fly anything you want. Yea might kill me yea might not, I dunno I don't think I've ever fought you.. but I'll put up a good fight. :D
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Originally posted by crockett
I live for the turn fights, but I have learned flying a Hurri 1 not to throw away my E. I'm not a BnZzzzzzer in any sort as BnZing in a Huri 1 is a pretty useless tactic. The guns don't have enough kill power for the quick snap shot required to kill using BnZ's.
You are welcome to try your throttle drop gear boomm move on me in the DA. I'll fly my Hurri 1 you can fly anything you want. Yea might kill me yea might not, I dunno I don't think I've ever fought you.. but I'll put up a good fight. :D
Shame I don't have an account atm.. I'd fly the 1hog though. Maybe when i get an account again.:aok
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The point I was getting at was, that the AH engine starting proceedure consists of one key stroke.
The reason there are cry's of 'gamey', is that if one had to hold the start switch, while simultaniously operating the primer, for X number of revolutions, while also manhandling the control stick (mind you this is during a maneuvering fight), and dealing with directional G forces, adjusting the mixture as it starts to fire, and whatever else is required for that particular plane model during starting the engines....One would think twice about cutting the engine.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Really? Name quite a few. Go ahead.
BS
Why? So you can call them names? :cry
Originally posted by Avaro
haha.. What do you consider "old timer"?
Those that have played for 2+ years. Really old I would consider to be 5+ years.
Suffice to say I am too lazy to cut engine like that myself, I just throttle down and use rudder & flaps if avail. But I don't have a problem with someone killing the engine because when you see that prop stop turning you know they just gave up controlling the fight.
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Originally posted by bnasty
I was in the MA last night with Kermit. We took up Pony Bs and flew towards the largest dar bar we could find. I was jumped by about 6 Knits. My wingman Kermit and I were separated. A P51-B Chased me, and one of the Best fights I've ever had ensued... Check it out. <>
Dangerous Encounter (http://stage6.divx.com/user/bmathis/video/1874319/Dangerous-Encounter) (stage6)
Dangerous Encounter (You Tube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlfZeY1aml8)
Mathis
Nice fight, nice film "S":aok
Don
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Kermit I said that about turning tighter because thats the reason given online when its brought up. I think its funny because it doesnt help anymore than throttling down and really if they are trying to force an overshoot then they should be using a skid but I almost never see that and I see guys shutting off their engine when they really want to run and it just doesnt make sense. No the tendency is to turn the engine off so if theres a good reason I would like to know. Now if you say they dont have throttles then thats a good reason I guess but maybe they should stick to vehicles.
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Well I've seen what this thread has become. I didn't expect this to turn out so negatively.
I do not like it when any person is downgraded, or condescended upon for one reason or another (In game or not). We are a community here, and all deserve the right to our opinion; I respect that. I apologise to Steve for my response earlier, that was not tasteful, and should not have been posted.
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On a positive note:
Widewing, thank you for your input and hard work. It was very useful and interesting to me, and the community. :aok
Thanks to those who checked out the film. It wasn't the best, but I hope it was entertaining!
Brandon
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Sorry, I was so busy commenting on the comments.....Nice film :)
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Originally posted by Hoffman
Back when I only had my Cyborg Evo, with the throttle attached to the stick, I would have to use my left hand on the keyboard for landing gear, flaps, WEP, etc. etc.
Now in that case, what is more economical, pushing E
I use an Evo and I somehow manage
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Originally posted by bnasty
I apologise to Steve for my response earlier, that was not tasteful, and should not have been posted.
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On a positive note:
Widewing, thank you for your input and hard work. It was very useful and interesting to me, and the community. :aok
Thanks to those who checked out the film. It wasn't the best, but I hope it was entertaining!
Brandon
Brandon, while I appreciate your apology, it was not necessary. Like ch 200, I expect exchanges that are sometimes heated. I have a short memory and do not hold grudges... well except for maybe Storch..(J/K storchie)
also, since I give as much as I take, it would be hypocritical of me to take umbrage at something someone said in the context of our discussion. :)
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I was lying in wait, ready for a discussion if you went in one direction.
Others feeling the same as you? I sure there are, but why did you say that? You trying to say if others feel the same way, that it must be true?
:p
No, since it's pretty subjective. I'm merely saying that my opinion is probably not too far fetched if several others are like minded.
As for the IL2 move. I think it's gamey in that I do not see how a person could slam his brain against the roof of his cranium, then immediately slam it agaisnt the bottom and have a clear enough head to then pull g's and fire. I wonder about the capability of the airframe as well but cannot support my doubts w/ any data.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I need to know Steve is you think it gives the pilot an unfair advantage?
What is an advantage, Kermit? It can be and edge over your enemy. But it can also be the lack of a detrimental effect you should experience.
This is the matter with cutting the engine off. It's not the unfair advantage, it's the LACK of the fair DIS-advantage the pilot should experience.
As Murdr stated, the engine starting/shutting down procedure in AH is just one keystroke and it takes no more than, what, 2 seconds? While in RL it would take much more longer and, most important, the pilot could fail in restarting the engine. This is simulated in IL2, not in AH, and this is the thing that I feel it's gamey. The player should pay a price for cutting engine off (and that is a high price in a knife combat), but he doesn't. That's why, when I hear my opponent shutting the engine down, I cut throttle, grin and think "lame".
Mathis, I commented about your RL flying (man I hope I'll fly on a Glasair one day) and not about the 51 sortie. Nice movie, friend, you're on my watchlist at Stage6! ;)
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I don't see what the big problem is. You should use whatever you think you need to win. However i don't think this one tactic will help much. Plus number2 ... you just shut your freaking engine off !!!
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I might add the other gamey tactic I've noticed with engine off'ers is their amazing ability to hear enemy fighters coming up their low 6 blind spot ;)
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I might add the other gamey tactic I've noticed with engine off'ers is their amazing ability to hear enemy fighters coming up their low 6 blind spot ;)
Many just turn down internal engine sounds, so no need for shutting engine off...
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Originally posted by Avaro
Acutally I believe if you leave it off long enuff you have to restart It completly.. Not sure though :aok
When you kill the engines in a '38 its a complete restart. Seems like the 110 and the Mossie are the same.
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Originally posted by Slash27
When you kill the engines in a '38 its a complete restart. Seems like the 110 and the Mossie are the same.
If you wanna make this game really realistic. Shutting off your engine would go like this.
1. Pull the mixture control to all the way lean.
2. sputter, sputter cough, in a few seconds.
3. Push mixture to full rich
4. push propeller rpm to high rpm
5. no need to prime you've already been flying.
6. turn magneto key to to start.
7. engine hopefully starts, it'll take a little bit to get stabilized.
8. If flying a 38 or 110 repeat twice.
If that's how realistic you want AH go ahead, but by then you've crashed and most surely been shot down by the time you're fumbling with the mixture and rpm control. lol
Happy Thangsgiving... ! :D
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
If you wanna make this game really realistic. Shutting off your engine would go like this.
1. Pull the mixture control to all the way lean.
2. sputter, sputter cough, in a few seconds.
3. Push mixture to full rich
4. push propeller rpm to high rpm
5. no need to prime you've already been flying.
6. turn magneto key to to start.
7. engine hopefully starts, it'll take a little bit to get stabilized.
8. If flying a 38 or 110 repeat twice.
If that's how realistic you want AH go ahead, but by then you've crashed and most surely been shot down by the time you're fumbling with the mixture and rpm control. lol
Happy Thangsgiving... ! :D
That about covers it.
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Originally posted by ded
Why? So you can call them names? :cry
Nah, like I already said.. you are full of BS. I gave the opportunity to back your statement up with some real evidence and you reverted to Jr. high tactics, as was expected since.... you are full of BS.
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I guess you could name doolittle but you'd really be lowering your standards as to what you consider a vet. I'm talking the slime on the bottom of the barrel. He cuts his engine. If you want to count nadless eunichs w/ no skills beyond gamey engine cutting, you could consider Doolittle.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Many just turn down internal engine sounds, so no need for shutting engine off...
Thats what I mean, if you find em trying one gamey trick, then its not unusual to find them trying other gamey tricks.
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This is why I have really quit reading this board all that much. I am quite disapointed by some of the so-called senior membres that are acting like complete noobs here. Then again I expect drivel to spew from some of your mouths likr the internet tough guys that you are.
I make plenty of films but rarely post them due to morons that like to play Monday morning quarterback. If you have a problem with someone cutting throttle then you have the "skill" problem not them. It generally will work against them down the road.
I am not a RL pilot so someone please tell me the hot start procedures while you are waxing poetic.
By the way Brandon is a squaddie, we have dueled many times. I haven't seen a poster here that he couldn'y beat/hang with in a 1v1 fight (without cutting throttle).
Good pilots that have cut throttle on me in a fight....Creton, blukitty a few others that have changed names a gazillion times.
Let the haters jump on. I probably won't read the crap anyway.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Thats what I mean, if you find em trying one gamey trick, then its not unusual to find them trying other gamey tricks.
The problem is, there is no consensus what is gamey and what not.
For example I consider shutting off internal sounds so you get some sort of tail-warning radar being extremely gamey - shutting off engine in fight instead of throtteling down I have no problem with. I did it back when I had no HOTAS setup. Just as pointed out earlier, moving hand from keyboard to stick and back during a dogfight was a pain in the a**, and hitting E gave me no unfair advantage in any way. (Unlike being able to hear & locate enemy planes 3 miles away in my blind spot)
Also I personally detest bomb&bailing, but other people argue they don't pay $15 for a boring RTB...
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IIRC didnt' HTC change the way the plane bled Energy by chopping throttle vs. killing engine back in the AH1 to AH2 change?
The diff. between chopping throttle and killin' the engine is very small, if there is an advantage at all. I think it boils down to what is easier. For ME, flipping the throttle slider w/ my thumb is easier. If you have engine on/off mapped on a JS button that might be easier for you. I think it's a personal prefrence thing and not worth arguin' over.
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Originally posted by Geaux
This is why I have really quit reading this board all that much. I am quite disapointed by some of the so-called senior membres that are acting like complete noobs here. Then again I expect drivel to spew from some of your mouths likr the internet tough guys that you are.
I make plenty of films but rarely post them due to morons that like to play Monday morning quarterback. If you have a problem with someone cutting throttle then you have the "skill" problem not them. It generally will work against them down the road.
I am not a RL pilot so someone please tell me the hot start procedures while you are waxing poetic.
By the way Brandon is a squaddie, we have dueled many times. I haven't seen a poster here that he couldn'y beat/hang with in a 1v1 fight (without cutting throttle).
Good pilots that have cut throttle on me in a fight....Creton, blukitty a few others that have changed names a gazillion times.
Let the haters jump on. I probably won't read the crap anyway.
I think that you are confusing killing the engine with pulling off throttle. Not that it makes any difference, as you gain no advantage killing the engine. Moreover, throttle management is a key factor in combat flying. There are many occasions that require a brief power reduction.
My regards,
Widewing
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Nice video bmathis, :aok S!
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Don't get me wrong, you 'HATERS'!!11ONE, I liked the fight. Those are very enjoyable, memorable.
I like the way people jumped on the cheating bandwagon.
I personally think it is gamey to reduce your engine noise. I prefer to fly with default settings, just the way GOD intended us to fly.
Oh, and Geaux (if that is your real name) I have a squaddie also. My squaddie can kick your squaddies arse!
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Originally posted by crockett
Hoffman, I use my keyboard and a Standard MS Sidewinder FF Joystick. Personally I have no problems at all working my flaps and WEP via my keyboard and still having good throttle control.
Sure maybe someone with a separate throttle control and lots of buttons has a slight advantage, but I've never felt it as much of an issue.
Separate throttle with a twisty stick is cheap & easy: plug in a spare JS, put it on the floor, map AH throttle to it, calibrate, and use a toe / foot... kinda like a gas pedal.