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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bongaroo on November 21, 2007, 01:57:54 PM
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http://stcharlesjournal.stltoday.com/news/sj2tn20071110-1111stc_pokin_1.ii1.txt
the adults who took part in the fake myspace account are sick and I hope they get whats coming to them. in further research people on the interwebs have found out all kinds of great info on how to harrass those despicable parents by posting their address, phone numbers, and work places all over. what goes around comes around.
my thoughts and prayers to Megans family.
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thats pretty messed up.
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yeah, I was struggling to believe it was true at all for a while
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Sorry, thats not messed up, its freakin disgusting. They are supposed to be adults and have messed a young lady up so badly she ended up taking her own life (sorry, things like this make my blood boil - personal experience with depression and suicide). Hopefully they will get what is coming to them, and if other people decide on their own backs to make their lives a misery - good!.
Wurzel
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If someone were to pull that stunt on my daughter I would be afraid of what I might do.
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:confused: Wow, that's horrible.
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Perhaps we should continue this discussion in the original thread ... which was somewhere around page 8 or so.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=219710
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Originally posted by Viking
Perhaps we should continue this discussion in the original thread ... which was somewhere around page 8 or so.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=219710
It always amazes me how some find the need to appoint themselves as moderators.
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I'm not moderating, I'm showing you the way to the discussion where, among others, I already have posted on this topic. It is a suggestion.
It always amazes me how some find the need to be complete a-holes.
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sorry, flipped back and searched but didn't see the previous. no reason to be all uppity.
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the parents beat the crap outta the foosball table and left the pieces on the yard of the horrible parents. to think they thought they were friends at one point
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TO be honest.......... if .....if ......it was my daughter (i have no children) .... ild spend my life happy in prison for the murder of those involed!
thats far and beyond any torrment anyone should endure, specially from a family friend!
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Wow...the girl that typed the last message...was her mother single or what? I couldn't figure out if she was. :rolleyes:
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As a mother myself I would have say that I would be in jail right now, I would kill that women for doing that to my child. Parents are suppose to be examples, what in the world was she thinking! I pray the family can find peace.
Froze
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Originally posted by Viking
I'm not moderating, I'm showing you the way to the discussion where, among others, I already have posted on this topic. It is a suggestion.
It always amazes me how some find the need to be complete a-holes.
You must constantly walk around in amazement being that you are probably the biggest one in the history of this board.
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This makes my heart ache so much...
I offer no commentary on the situation or what happened.
It's just so sad and avoidable.
TIGERESS
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Parents today alot of times seem to act like children more than the children do. They are not technically responsible for the death. But showed complete wanton malice. Maybe some charges could be brought. Although people who have depression have a brain chemistry problem in which they have to constantly fight because there brain is not producing two very important chemicals which effects everything from the nervous system due to a shrunken hypothalamus. People who commit suicide a lot of times would have done so anyway due to this. But taunting a child shows a complete lack of adult responsibility that i see as reprehensible.
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Whoa. Don't you think you should throw some blame towards the girl's parents.
The internet isn't a baby sitter. Especially not for a girl with issues.
Dare I say they left their daughter in an extremely compromised and vulnerable state?
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Whoa. Don't you think you should throw some blame towards the girl's parents.
The internet isn't a baby sitter. Especially not for a girl with issues.
Dare I say they left their daughter in an extremely compromised and vulnerable state?
While in no way defending the people who did this to this little girl.
What they did was flat out wrong and there is no defense that can be made for this type of thing.
But
I dare say the girls mother is also partially to blame.
It is safe to day that a contributing factor was the perception the girl was having that the mother was taking sides against her over how she responded.
"Before Tina could get out the door it was clear Megan was upset. Josh still was sending troubling messages. And he apparently had shared some of Megan's messages with others.
Tina recalled telling Megan to sign off.
"I will Mom," Megan said. "Let me finish up."
Tina was pressed for time. She had to go. But once at the orthodontist's office she called Megan: Did you sign off?
"No, Mom. They are all being so mean to me."
"You are not listening to me, Megan! Sign off, now!"
Fifteen minutes later, Megan called her mother. By now Megan was in tears.
"They are posting bulletins about me." A bulletin is like a survey. "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat."
Megan was sobbing hysterically. Tina was furious that she had not signed off.
Once Tina returned home she rushed into the basement where the computer was. Tina was shocked at the vulgar language her daughter was firing back at people.
"I am so aggravated at you for doing this!" she told Megan.
From the childs perspective its understandable how she could feel her mother was taking sides against her.
here we have a situation where the mother obvious knew her daughter was terribly upset over what was being said about her.
Now does she come home and first take all things into account before laying into her daughter?
No
Her first reaction wasnt to what was being said about her daughter but what her daughter said.
In a sense. and IMO her daughter was trying to defend herself in the only way she could. With words.
And the mother was telling her she was wrong for doing so.
Now remember this is a teenager.
Profanity from a teenager is more then commonplace.
Its safe to say that ANYONE who has a child over the age of say.13-14 and doesnt think "their kid" isn't using profanity on a regular basis when they aren't around then is seriously delusional
Now taking this into account as a parent one should consider and ask the question of what would cause their child to go over the edge in a time or place where the parent is sure to see it?
Whatever it is it has to be pretty serious. Serious enough for them to reach a breaking point where they don't care what they say or who will see it. Even if only at that moment.
Kids are humans just as we as adults are.
and we all have occasional flare ups of temper.
Now I. as I am sure most of us all try to teach our kids not to fight unless you have to and not to use foul language.
But I also have instructed my children not to allow themselves to be anybodies punching bag.
If attacked . Attack back.
Then when something happens I want to know the entire story and look at the situation as a whole before I lay into anyone. I dont just look at what my kids have done. But what might have caused my kid to do what he or she did.
Now if its my kid that started it I'll jump on them like a bad chest cold from hell.
But I have never chastised my kids for defending themselves from attack.
Now in this case I would have been pissed over what was said to her.
And given the her upset state. Provided support for her.
Then after she had calmed down a bit. Calmly explained to her that there might have been a better way of handling it.
Now from a kids perspective. And this kid in particular.
She was being betrayed and then viciously attacked by someone she thought was her friend and then to her everyone was taking sides with this person.
She defended herself the only way she knew how.
The same way most of us adults would.
Then to have in her mind her own mother come in and chastise her. To her now she was also being attacked by her mother.
This had to be devastating. In her mind nobody was on her side and everyone. Now including her mother was attacking her.
And this story was the end result
Now I don't claim to be the perfect parent. That person does not exist. In spite of what we might like to think about ourselves.
I admit I can be tough as nails on my kids and wont hesitate to smash a gnat with a sledgehammer.
But I also use other tools.
not always is strong immediate discipline or scolding called for.
And when someone is THAT upset. The first thing before I do or say anything is find out exactly what happened, then calm the situation.
THEN scold or discipline if needed.
in light of how upset her daughter was. The mother was in err of scolding her at that moment.
In the frame of mind her daughter was in she could only take it as yet another attack, and another betrayal from someone she cared about.
Someone who should have been on her side
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Online obituary site with myspace users.
http://www.mydeathspace.com/article-list.aspx
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Was rummaging through some '90s music tonight and when I hit on this one I could not help but think of this thread and its tragic story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcRIAkq_Ghs
Great song, powerful lyrics and visuals, and an important message to us all.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so please take this with a grain of salt.
Let's just say that the girl who killed herself was on the edge already. Let's just say that she was 95% of the way to committing suicide before the charade took its evil turn. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she was not happy, perhaps unstable... Let's just say that she was suffering from a profound mental illness going into this.
And then this came and just gave her that push over the edge.
Do the people who set her up still deserve to die and rot in hell?
Again, devil's advocate. Think before you get pissed.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Do the people who set her up still deserve to die and rot in hell?
Again, devil's advocate. Think before you get pissed.
I'm certain they did not expect her to do what she did. However, as adults, they acted very immature and cruel. What they need to do is take responsibilty for their actions, ask forgiveness, and do whatever they can to make life easier for the dead girl's family.
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Thats the most screwed up piece of **** i've ever read.
Regards,
Subway
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wow, Iron... way to take the air out of my controversial post with a lucid, reasonable, efficiently-worded response.
I agree completely.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so please take this with a grain of salt.
Let's just say that the girl who killed herself was on the edge already. Let's just say that she was 95% of the way to committing suicide before the charade took its evil turn. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she was not happy, perhaps unstable... Let's just say that she was suffering from a profound mental illness going into this.
And then this came and just gave her that push over the edge.
Do the people who set her up still deserve to die and rot in hell?
Again, devil's advocate. Think before you get pissed.
No matter if she was on the edge of suicide or not the women who played games with her head should be held accountable for her actions. This women deliberatly played games with this childs head to make her feel important and pretty, then turned it against her and caused pain for this child. To not hold this women accountable for her actions in my opinion is like telling her to continue her mental games with children and nothing will happen, all will be ok. Come on, she is a grown women with children of her own. There is a huge problem with sexual predators on the internet targeting children, authorities are taking action against these predators. Why are her actions any different then that of a predator? She acted like a 16 yr old boy to target a young 13 yr old girl. She is not any different then any other predator.
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She may be a predator, and she may be low for messing with a child, but labeling her a murderer is also jumping the gun.
I know that this will open a can of worms, but relatively few people seem to be laying all the blame for Columbine and Virginia Tech on the shoulders of the parents and the classmates of the killers. Those young men were deranged for what they did, and this young lady was tragically ill in her own right.
I was flawed at the age of 13. Most of us were...A healthy, reasonable mind would not have allowed her to do this. I am not taking away from her family's loss, I am simply presenting another side to the arm chair prosecution of the idiots that pushed her to it.
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I think the police should arrest the parents for negligence.
To me, leaving your mentally unstable daughter alone with presumably unlimited internet access is equivalent to leaving a revolver with a single bullet in a cylinder.
A little responsibility for a mentally challenged girl could have prevented the whole episode. It is the role of the parents to protect their children and prevent these types of situations from happening, not destroying a foosball table in retribution after the fact.
I hope the police charge the parents.
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no crap the internets is not a babysitter. If I ever have any crumbcrunchers they are not getting anywhere near the internets til they are old enough to drink legally.
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If a kid with troubles can only seemingly find happiness or friends on the internet then thats should raise alarm bells with her parents.
Responsibility lies with her parents, and some personal responsibility lies with the kid herself - my wife and I already have consensus about the availability of home computers and the internet already when it comes to our sons, this type of behavior obviously raised flags and her mother should've continued keeping access away from her when she had concerns.
Tronsky
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The parents are responsible for the safety of their daughter and yes they should have seen the red flags. This does not dismiss the women who acted like a 16 yr old boy whatsoever. The parents have to live with their wrong doing of raising their child the rest of their lives. Why should this women/mother who acted like a 16 yr old boy not be punished for preying on a 13 yr old girl?
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Originally posted by Neubob
I was flawed at the age of 13. Most of us were
i wasn't, my parents raised me to have both feet on the ground.
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I don't care how much you say the parents were at fault, suicide is never not a surprise. And it's never known to be that serious untill after it happens. That's why most people think depression is a joke and not a real disease. That is untill a family member blows their brains out, than they get it.
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The women intended harm on a child and should be held accountable. I love how some people always blame the victim.
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if it was my daughter...well...i would torture and maim the woman behind the scam.
after that i would probably murder her with a blunt tea spoon.
then i would hand myself in and spend the entire life sentance wishing i had made it more painfull on the b1tch.
sure, revenge doesnt make the pain go away, but i would do it anyhow.
:(
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Originally posted by Yknurd
Whoa. Don't you think you should throw some blame towards the girl's parents.
The internet isn't a baby sitter. Especially not for a girl with issues.
Dare I say they left their daughter in an extremely compromised and vulnerable state?
Exactly, what happened to "don't talk to strangers", and the old "sticks and stones..." adage? they don't apply to the internet?