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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: shooter1cac on November 24, 2007, 06:17:00 AM
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Is it just me or do the twin engine fighters seem to suffer from PW's an awful lot?
I especially love the "baddie sprayin at 1.0K back..get 1 ping and POOF! PW", or the see a buff box and *THINK* of engaging them and *POOF* PW.
Been bad enough I've gave up on the Mossie..and my favorite ride the 38.:(
It's getting a little rediculous. I figure that 90% of my 38 flights end in a PW..usually from 1 or 2 pings at long range. I think something needs to be looked at. But don't ask me what..I can turn my computer on and off...that's about the extent of my computer knowledge. :)
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P38 your most likely to get a PW from lack of armor behind the pilot and bubble canopy, Mossy has good tough armor protection behind pilot, 110 heavy armor behind pilot seat, not for rear gunner
Rear gunner and p38 pilots are most likely to get PW over a mossy. You will more likely land a Mossy without half a plane at all, then get PW, weird thing is the mossy pilots seat is armored above the head of the pilot (gunned mossys) but recon mossys didnt have the armor to help speed, so not sure which mossy the game takes up, im guessing its armored since ive never been PW this tour in one.
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I receive more PWs in p38 than in any other plane. Really makes you think twice about entering any ack in the Lightning.
Edit: Ah I see you left BSL shooter? Hows Holden treatin ya?
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Originally posted by helbent
I receive more PWs in p38 than in any other plane.
Fly Japanese, then tell me about that! :D
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Originally posted by helbent
I receive more PWs in p38 than in any other plane. Really makes you think twice about entering any ack in the Lightning.
It's kinda like flying the different planes in the game. You get up in a B-17 and don't really plan on turn fighting a Zero. That might not be the greatest idea. Perhaps the same goes for a 38?
I guess I'm trying to say ya'll might try flying to a particular planes strengths than to it's weaknesses. So if you know flying into ack and or taking shots from other planes give you pw's, don't get into that regime of flight. I fly the 38 only a few times a rotation but haven't seen a pw in it in a long time.
Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by Adonai
P38 your most likely to get a PW from lack of armor behind the pilot and bubble canopy
The P-38 had armor plating both behind the pilot and at the rear bulkhead of the armament compartment.
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what is PW please?
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never mind. brain caught up with thoughts
pilot wound
S!
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Originally posted by Soulyss
The P-38 had armor plating both behind the pilot and at the rear bulkhead of the armament compartment.
Indeed, if you look at the armor protection diagram in the P-38 manual, you'll see that the P-38 had as good and often better armor protection than the single engine fighters of its era. P-38s had an armored seat pan, meaning the pilot was protected from behind and below too. Frontal armor protected the pilot over a 30 degree arc. Rear protection was over nearly 100 degrees (vertically). Unarmored areas were the sides of the cockpit (usually shielded by the engines) as well as down and forward (a low 12 o'clock attack). Obviously, only the front windscreen was armored.
P-38s should not be any more susceptible to pilots wounds than any other American fighter.
My regards,
Widewing
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(http://479th.jasminemarie.com/images/armor.jpg)
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Originally posted by Widewing
Indeed, if you look at the armor protection diagram in the P-38 manual, you'll see that the P-38 had as good and often better armor protection than the single engine fighters of its era. P-38s had an armored seat pan, meaning the pilot was protected from behind and below too. Frontal armor protected the pilot over a 30 degree arc. Rear protection was over nearly 100 degrees (vertically). Unarmored areas were the sides of the cockpit (usually shielded by the engines) as well as down and forward (a low 12 o'clock attack). Obviously, only the front windscreen was armored.
P-38s should not be any more susceptible to pilots wounds than any other American fighter.
My regards,
Widewing
aaaahhh...but they are sir.....i too, have taken pilot wounds in them from direct six shots...and i know that's were they were as i was ru....eeerrr....extending, and they were 800-1000 back......i was completley amazed that they hit me from that distance.....but then again, i had a pony hitting my lancs from 1k yesterday, although he did no serious damage to me.
i justgenerally don't complain about it, as i do as ren suggested, and try to not get into those situations....i try to fly the planes to thier strengths ingame...doesn't always work though
<>:rofl
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I have to agree with shooter,pilot wounds seem to happen to me more often in the planes he's listed.
While the 110 doesn't seem as bad as the other 2 I still get above average PW's in it.
A couple of tours ago I flew the mossie and G14 only,I bet I had 3 or 4 times the PW's in the Mossie.
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I have to agree with shooter,pilot wounds seem to happen to me more often in the planes he's listed.
While the 110 doesn't seem as bad as the other 2 I still get above average PW's in it.
A couple of tours ago I flew the mossie and G14 only,I bet I had 3 or 4 times the PW's in the Mossie.
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Remember that if you're in a dead-perfect HO, a single-engine plane has a whole engine block between you and the bullets. A twin-engine that isn't a Do-335 (;)) has sheet armor at most.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
...has sheet armor at most.
Plus guns, ammo bins (not that you want those to be hit), gun mounts and instruments.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Remember that if you're in a dead-perfect HO, a single-engine plane has a whole engine block between you and the bullets. A twin-engine that isn't a Do-335 (;)) has sheet armor at most.
What Karnak said plus add into that he fact that the HO that woulds the pilot rarely kills the guns in a 38. It does happen but, not nearly as often as a PW.
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Clerick is SAPP is a secret association, how come you have it listed in your sig?
I think the p38 unjustly suffers from PW problems.
Considering you can pepper a zeke with rounds and they dont go down or that an LA7 has lazer cannons, I think this needs to be fixed.
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Originally posted by Adonai
P38 your most likely to get a PW from lack of armor behind the pilot and bubble canopy
Wrong.
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by stockli
Clerick is SAPP is a secret association, how come you have it listed in your sig?
The best way to hide something is in plain sight....
:noid
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Originally posted by clerick
The best way to hide something is in plain sight....
:noid
I heard Clerick stole Shuff's Blender! Is that in your sig to!?
:noid
Regards,
Subway
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Originally posted by OOZ662
...has sheet armor at most.
It was good enough to protect Bong on JUL 28 1943 when he placed himself as a decoy between a single engine 38, and an enemy fighter to allow the stricken 38 to escape. According to General George C. Kenny, there were at least 20 hits on Bong's head and seat pilot armor.
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I fly 110 a lot.
I've only caught a handful of PW's in them, ususlly as the result of a canopy shot. The main thing I find that gets me with the 110 is the weak tail, it usually only takes a couple of pings to detatch it, or a well executed snap roll.
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Sadly in a P-38 in here if you get hit by a bb from a Daisy pumped 2 times you get a pilot wound...even if it hits the armor. :p
Something is definately amiss here.
I myself think it's a conspiracy..but I aint gonna go into detail.
:noid
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The problem is not the armor, but that it is so easy to hit the cockpit area from a rear quarter shot. In all other aircraft you'll mostly just hit the tail structure. In a 38 only the thin tail plane is between your cockpit and the enemy's guns. And the typical cockpit armor of WWII fighter did not stop .50 cals or cannon shells. In fact they were hard pressed to stop a .30 cal round.
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Originally posted by Murdr
It was good enough to protect Bong on JUL 28 1943 when he placed himself as a decoy between a single engine 38, and an enemy fighter to allow the stricken 38 to escape. According to General George C. Kenny, there were at least 20 hits on Bong's head and seat pilot armor.
and then he got pilot wounded, and started complaining about the ho on 200?:D
sorry murdr..if it wasn't me that put this up, then someoneelse would have.......
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To those who quoted me in bursts against my "sheet armor at most" comment, it's still just sheet armor. It'll never be as hard as an engine block to penetrate from the front aspect.
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Shoulda stuck some of that armoured glass in instead then.
Anyone have a copy of that Beau with the remnants of a 20mm shell dead centre?
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People don't seem to realize that I'm not saying it's weak. I'm saying it's JUST sheet armor below the windscreen instead of a few feet of metal or a few feet of metal with sheet armor behind it. Don't read any deeper between the lines. There's nothing there. Honest. :D
That, or nobody's actually talking to me... :noid
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Originally posted by OOZ662
People don't seem to realize that I'm not saying it's weak. I'm saying it's JUST sheet armor below the windscreen instead of a few feet of metal or a few feet of metal with sheet armor behind it. Don't read any deeper between the lines. There's nothing there. Honest. :D
That, or nobody's actually talking to me... :noid
There may not be a few feet of engine but, as has been pointed out a few times, there was plenty up there other then the armor. Guns, cannon, ammo and ammo drums would do a lot to stop an incoming round.