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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Beefcake on November 25, 2007, 01:55:40 PM
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HTC would it be possible to allow the TMBs, SBDs, Vals, Kates, and Ju87s access to drones? This would really give a boost in damage power to the light buffs and make them a little more fun to fly in non-CV action.
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sounds good for me
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Would certainly boost the striking power of a carrier group.
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Well, it couldnt be done for Ju87, SBD, and D3A1 because of the diving.
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Originally posted by Redlegs
Well, it couldnt be done for Ju87, SBD, and D3A1 because of the diving.
You ever seen divebombing Lancs?
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Originally posted by TUXC
You ever seen divebombing Lancs?
Yeah but lancs have bomb sites.
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Well several things.
1. The Ju88s are a dive bomber, or rather they can be used as one since they have dive flaps.
2. The B25C has drones with the no-bombsite gun package.
IMO just because the plane lacks a bombsite doesn't mean it can't have drones. True the TBM is the only candidate that has a bomb side, but that shouldn't mean the rest can't have drones. I mean you know you really....REALLY want to fly 3 Ju87s and drop 3 x 1800kg bombs at once. :D
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Originally posted by TUXC
You ever seen divebombing Lancs?
Not with drones, I haven't. But then I've been away several patches. Are there divebombing formations now?
Too bad, if so. :confused:
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ummm.... the TMB and the SBD are navy plane, soo... try taking off with drones of a cv...
$.02
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Go offline and up a Boston off a cv. You can up with drones. I've taken off in a lancaster with bombs and formation.
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Originally posted by Gowan
ummm.... the TMB and the SBD are navy plane, soo... try taking off with drones of a cv...
$.02
I've done it offline with b24's, and was able to get b25's up and in H2H b17's
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Drones hang out over the ocean for CV take-offs. Established. Do drones no longer pop if you dive the lead plane? :confused:
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Originally posted by Arlo
Not with drones, I haven't. But then I've been away several patches. Are there divebombing formations now?
Too bad, if so. :confused:
I've divebombed with lanc formations, you just need to be mindful of how far you get from your drones when you climb.
I usually dive with power off, go full throttle as I pull up and climb out until the stall buffet. Kick the ruder chop the throttle and let the drones catch up. Then firewall it again and come around for the next pass.
If you hit shiftX on the climb you can jump in the tailgun and murder cons following you up too :lol
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But tux i've dive bombed in Lancs before =] and this idea isnt the best Why give drones to TBM's they are basically good turning dogfighters and same with D3A. Valdals can kill lots of planes in a D3A
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Originally posted by SD67
I've divebombed with lanc formations, you just need to be mindful of how far you get from your drones when you climb.
I usually dive with power off, go full throttle as I pull up and climb out until the stall buffet. Kick the ruder chop the throttle and let the drones catch up. Then firewall it again and come around for the next pass.
If you hit shiftX on the climb you can jump in the tailgun and murder cons following you up too :lol
You sure we're talking about the same thing? Divebombing is chopping throttle right over target, diving 80-90' into it, dumping ord and pulling out before you auger (no "next pass" about it, usually, unless you're saving ord for another target ... and no "letting drones catch up"). :confused:
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No i go no drones and dive bomb with it and pull up in time:p
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Originally posted by raider73
No i go no drones and dive bomb with it and pull up in time:p
Subject matter is drones and divebombers, kid. ;)
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You forgot to add in the B5N... It also has a bombsite. It needs to also get drones. Really I think this idea needs to be put into place. It would add use to bombers that otherwise are unflown or only used because your on the CV and cant take a "Lancstuka".
Bah, Forgot it was called the Kate, im so used to the bloody numbers designation that sometimes i forget that they have nicknames
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Ok, so maybe just the Avenger and Kate since they have bombsights and would also be able to do formation torpedo attacks (if you can somehow make it through the fleet ack).
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B5N = Val...or is it the Kate? lol :)
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B5N = Kate
D3A = Val
G4M = Betty (Not that we even have it, sadly)
And yeah, I could do with D3A drones... extra targets for people to choose over me. :D
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No, I'm pretty sure of what it is. Admittedly I'm not right over target due to compression and structural limitation, but coming down from 7k VERY steeply, not quite vertical but certainly more than 45° and use trim to get the nose up after dropping. I only ever .salvo 14 for CV's usually it's .salvo 1 or 2 for lancasters.
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Originally posted by Beefcake
[IMO just because the plane lacks a bombsite doesn't mean it can't have drones. True the TBM is the only candidate that has a bomb side, but that shouldn't mean the rest can't have drones. I mean you know you really....REALLY want to fly 3 Ju87s and drop 3 x 1800kg bombs at once. :D [/B]
totaly awesome better than the nook lol:noid
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Originally posted by Arlo
Subject matter is drones and divebombers, kid. ;)
sorry to say, it is common place to see dive bombing lancs, b25's, b26's, b24's, and b17's all in formations going for CV's. The dive angle isn't what you would have for a fighter in a dive bomb run, but they have the nose down and SOMETIMES pull out before the bombs hit.:D
Its a complaint thats been going on for awhile, many people asking HTC to put a dive angle limit on the bombers with bomb sites.
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Originally posted by SD67
I've divebombed with lanc formations, you just need to be mindful of how far you get from your drones when you climb.
Its bad enough that it happens, please don't teach others to do it.
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For my opinion see attack agenda below................
I always wondered whether a Mosquito MK IV B and (perked) Mk XVI B would be allowed formations seems to me they should be when used as level bombers.
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I don't mean any offense guys but I hate the way you've derailed this tread. I'm just simply going to say this, players will game the game and will use planes/tanks/boats in ways they were not designed or intended. No matter what HTC does, people will find ways to dive bomb with heavy buffs, its a part of the game, you just have to learn to deal with it.
Now can we please get this back on track? All we're talking about is should the light buffs get drones?
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Tilt I really hope we get the mossie with the bombsite, that would rock. As far as perking it might warrant a small perk cost, though IMO no more than 10 per plane. And as for formations it should have them for the buff version only IMO. That thing could fly at 400+MPH right?
(LOL I just derailed my own thread after whining about it :D :D )
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IMO only bombers with level bomb sights should get "drones" and when drones are taken the only way of releasing bombs should be from the F6 view.
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Originally posted by Beefcake
I don't mean any offense guys but I hate the way you've derailed this tread. I'm just simply going to say this, players will game the game and will use planes/tanks/boats in ways they were not designed or intended. No matter what HTC does, people will find ways to dive bomb with heavy buffs, its a part of the game, you just have to learn to deal with it.
Now can we please get this back on track? All we're talking about is should the light buffs get drones?
No offense, man, but the correlation between planes designed to divebomb and buff drones was related to the subject matter both as a technical point and as a practical one.
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Originally posted by Gowan
ummm.... the TMB and the SBD are navy plane, soo... try taking off with drones of a cv...
$.02
You can take off with drones there just like you can at any airfield... only in this case instead of putting your flaps up and using the runway, you put your flaps fully down and take off with the drones. No real problem there at all.
Originally posted by Arlo
No offense, man, but the correlation between planes designed to divebomb and buff drones was related to the subject matter both as a technical point and as a practical one.
You justifying the dragging off course of this topic by lancsutka whiners and people who think that you should only be able to release in the bombsight view. As someone else said, people are always going to find a way to get around what ever you try to limit.
You can divebomb in the JU-88 WITH drones, it just takes not yanking up on the stick like maniac and then screaming when your drones explode. You have to pull up slowly which means you have to start your run higher. Its perfectly doable and SHOULD be added in because as it is, very few people fly the Ju-87, TBM, SDB, D3A1 or B5N. The naval planes only ever see use by most when they need a bomber off the CV and then its only a throw away plane.
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If this were to be implemented than it could possibly increase the use of the SBD as the Corsair and the Hellcat carry more ord.
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so would a 1600lb bomb (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219499) which it could carry.
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Originally posted by Relorian
You justifying the dragging off course of this topic by lancsutka whiners and people who think that you should only be able to release in the bombsight view. As someone else said, people are always going to find a way to get around what ever you try to limit.
You can divebomb in the JU-88 WITH drones, it just takes not yanking up on the stick like maniac and then screaming when your drones explode. You have to pull up slowly which means you have to start your run higher. Its perfectly doable and SHOULD be added in because as it is, very few people fly the Ju-87, TBM, SDB, D3A1 or B5N. The naval planes only ever see use by most when they need a bomber off the CV and then its only a throw away plane.
I'm not "justifying" anyone or anything other than a probable game limitation for modeling drones for divebombers. Dive bombers are light bombers. Adding drones is the request. Both of those are in the title of the thread. Ain't nothing "off course" about it. ;)
Adding drones to SBDs, D3As or even Stukas[/i] isn't gonna change MA tactics where the bigger the bang the better it is and a Lanc (apparently) can be used for dive-bombing. That's not whine, my fine experienced AH pilot friend, that's fact. :D People who aren't stuck in such mindsets used divebombers and did so in their traditional manner without requiring drones (pop-proof or not) to make the idea of using them more palatable .... three years ago (*sigh* ... ahem). If that's changed then adding drones isn't gonna help (at least after the novelty wears off - give it a month) and your rationalization is a lost cause. I reckon that addresses your perceived relevance to topic. :aok
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Arlo, from a technical aspect, they're talking more about glide bombing with the heavies, not dive bombing. Folks use the dive bomber moniker since they're not dropping straight and level.
For the TBM, there were only a handful of actual uses of a bombsite and level bombing during the war. Most of time, they took the bombsite out and used dive/glide bomb techniques. (source Wings of Gold, among others). Additionally, the SBD, Stuka and Val were used almost exclusively as a dive bombers. The Kate (when carrying bombs) also used dive bombing technique. Given the fact that drones only maintain formation when flying straight and level, using classic dive bombing technique, there's no way the drones stay in position through the Split S/70-80 degree dive angle dive bombing run. That's not to say that they wouldn't eventually regain position perhaps. But seeing how a flight of 3 SBD's would roll into the target individually, pickle individually, and pull off in different directions to avoid flak, I don't believe drones are consistent with their historical useage when compared to strategic, level bombers.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
Arlo, from a technical aspect, they're talking more about glide bombing with the heavies, not dive bombing. Folks use the dive bomber moniker since they're not dropping straight and level.
For the TBM, there were only a handful of actual uses of a bombsite and level bombing during the war. Most of time, they took the bombsite out and used dive/glide bomb techniques. (source Wings of Gold, among others). Additionally, the SBD, Stuka and Val were used almost exclusively as a dive bombers. The Kate (when carrying bombs) also used dive bombing technique. Given the fact that drones only maintain formation when flying straight and level, using classic dive bombing technique, there's no way the drones stay in position through the Split S/70-80 degree dive angle dive bombing run. That's not to say that they wouldn't eventually regain position perhaps. But seeing how a flight of 3 SBD's would roll into the target individually, pickel individually, and pull off in different directions to avoid flak, I don't believe drones are consistent with their historical useage when compared to strategic, level bombers.
I suspected such from the description. Then I still suspect adding drones to divebombers is a useless endevour. Thanks for the confirmation. Kinda hard to test drive the theory when you're on hiatus from the game. :(
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Droop-snoot 38 with 2 drones :D
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I think they should put an option on offline practice that allows u to change the amount of drones you have. (you could have big bomb raids with 15 drones following u!!!):D
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Originally posted by sukata
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did someone let out a box of mice?
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I agree with Beefcake.
I would like to see the "light buffs" as he put it with some drones.
Sure would make those rides more palatable in FSO.