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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on November 27, 2007, 07:27:50 AM
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This week's setup features what are arguably the four best fighters in AH, yet people are staying away in droves. Perhaps this isn't surprising for new folks who haven't flown these planes, but I'm surprised that the regulars aren't here. One of the best features of AvA, seems to me, is that you get to learn strange new planes. It's discouraging to see that oldtimers have become wedded to their favorite rides.
Just thought I'd complain.
- oldman
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I agree that these planes offer good fights...if(BIG IF)...you have players that want to fight.
The LA7 in this setup offers a ride were one can easily disengage at will. There is no way to force a timid, boom/zoom/run player to fight. You can wear down their e and they can extend for a while zoom up and be 3k above booming and zooming again.
I experienced this. Ran down the guy's e 3 times, then he runs home because his ammo is gone. The engagement was fun but doing this over and over, well, not so much. I guess the only way to kill the La is HO him with a Nik, (yeah, like that's fun). Face it the 84 eats the yak. So frustration sets in and out comes the La.
I extol parity over history simply because parity makes for better game play. I can't count the times the discussion of included planes revolved around what was historically available. This ignores the fact that, historically speaking, the activity we are simulating was not fun.
If we limit scenarios to those that are both historical and have opponents close in capability then the number of different popular setups is naturally limited. For a change of pace I would rather see an imaginary match up of planes with comparable capabilities than a historical match up of planes with disparate capabilities.
Edit: I really just want something to chase down and kill those dang Las:mad: (K4,Typh,D9,51,something...consider them captured/leased planes)
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imo you have b&z planes against t&b planes
when did the yak get neutered? I always thought it was a great turner but compared to the 109f it stinks
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It's discouraging to see that oldtimers have become wedded to their favorite rides.
Just thought I'd complain.
- oldman
It is also discouraging to see that people get blamed for not liking something. Like the AvA is that perfect place and we choose not to be there because there is something wrong with us. Keep telling yourself that that is the only reason we are not there. Thats should fix it :rolleyes:
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I have to admit when there was some talk of extending the setups so they lasted for awhile my interest in the AvA was raised quite a bit. The threads about the Avengers added a little bit more so I popped in when the Italy setup was running and had a pretty good time. But, the next week the setup changed and the week after that it changed again. All that means to me is that the AvA remains the same old furball between the two closest fields with the same faces doing the same things over and over and over again. It's like driving a car up and down your driveway repeatedly for a few hours each day, every day. Even if you switch cars and paint the driveway a different colour you're still driving up and down that same driveway. If that floats your boat good for you. Me, I'm looking for a little more variety in my entertainment.
If you folks start to make noises again about doing something to bring more people in and I think you're serious about it I'll pop in to have a look. If not, well then, good luck with the arena.
asw
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I havent had a chance to get in there yet, but hope to be there on Wednesday night. How low are the numbers during prime time?
Raptor 33
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As I told some of my squadies. I can fight runing LAs and HOing nikis in the MA, atlease there I can fly in whatever I want.:o
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The Avengers will be in the AvA arena on Wednesday Night for a non formal Fighter sweep; and again on Thursday Night for our squad Night Fighter sweep.
We have pulled out of the arena on Monday Nights so we can conduct heavy bombing and base captures; impossible to do, due to settings, in several maps in the AvA. On Monday Nights we can be found in the mid war arena; come escort or shoot at us. All Avenger events start times are 7 PM'ish Central time.
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sorry OM but you can count me out if german rides aren't in there. if the Ki61 was there I might have shown up for a bit but generally speaking, no thanks.
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It's actually one of my favorite set-ups. I spent more time in there on Saturday night than I normally do. The crowd was small, but everyone was willing to fight (imagine that, Kong), and I think much fun was had by all.
I do think, though, that the KI-61, LA-5 and the other Yak should all be made available. Only two planes per side seems a bit restricted even for the AvA. If it helps keep some people from becoming quickly bored, so much the better.
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Well you all missed your chance tonight. I stole some spare time and was running about willy nilly just waiting to get smoked.
Maybe tomorrow?
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Originally posted by detch01
I have to admit when there was some talk of extending the setups so they lasted for awhile my interest in the AvA was raised quite a bit. The threads about the Avengers added a little bit more so I popped in when the Italy setup was running and had a pretty good time. But, the next week the setup changed and the week after that it changed again. All that means to me is that the AvA remains the same old furball between the two closest fields with the same faces doing the same things over and over and over again. It's like driving a car up and down your driveway repeatedly for a few hours each day, every day. Even if you switch cars and paint the driveway a different colour you're still driving up and down that same driveway. If that floats your boat good for you. Me, I'm looking for a little more variety in my entertainment.
If you folks start to make noises again about doing something to bring more people in and I think you're serious about it I'll pop in to have a look. If not, well then, good luck with the arena.
asw
Very well said!
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Originally posted by E25280
It's actually one of my favorite set-ups. I spent more time in there on Saturday night than I normally do.
That's funny, I spoke with someone who was in there Saturday night and they said there was some LTAR doin' the boom/zoom/run in an LA. Was that you?
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We would gladly spend 3 nights a week in there, but it seems as though the settings in most of the maps are tweaked in a manner that completely prohibits any sort of base taking. Which of course makes conducting heavy bomber missions nothing more than target practice for the locals. This is why we have pulled out on Monday Nights to conduct strategic missions in the Mains.
By no means am I entertaining the idea of asking you guys to make changes for us new guys, but it seems odd that the only arena that has realistic match ups and a rolling plane set is reduced to nothing more than a high classed DA by the arena crew. Don't get me wrong, we love to do fighter sweeps too, and feel that the fights we encounter in the AvA are of very high caliber and that we will learn fighter tactics faster in that arena.
Trust me, we would much rather be in the AvA all the time, due to the realistic plane sets. We also believe you guys are setting on a gold mine if you were to finish developing the arena to include strats and land grabs. This combined with the good maps and combat settings being provided by Old Man and crew would provide the most realistic WWII air combat arena to be found just about anywhere, and would be a magnet to the guys wanting more of a sim than an arcade. I can only imagine that the lack of further development of the AvA arena is due to the soon to be released Tour of Duty Arena?
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Originally posted by KONG1
That's funny, I spoke with someone who was in there Saturday night and they said there was some LTAR doin' the boom/zoom/run in an LA. Was that you?
Nice try. Go troll elsewhere.
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lutrel,
I think the difference in map/terrain settings has more to do with which AvsA Staff member is doing the setup for that particular week....
sometimes field ack is like robocop
sometimes it does not do anything but make noise.....
sometimes you might be able to do some GV battles
sometimes ( most times maybe? ) to capture a field takes twice as many troops ( 15 to 20 vs the normal MA 10 troops )
sometimes you can do field captures / sometimes you can't
sometimes buildings pop back up in very short period of time ( heh sometimes in less than a few minutes )
you had a few good showings, maybe next map ( week - which setup usually changes every Friday in the AvsA ) the settings will be more in your favor........
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
lutrel,
I think the difference in map/terrain settings has more to do with which AvsA Staff member is doing the setup for that particular week....
...you had a few good showings, maybe next map ( week - which setup usually changes every Friday in the AvsA ) the settings will be more in your favor........
I guess that's unavoidable with the AvA being configured as a DA, but the trouble with that is that to keep guys interested and turning out for squad nights, you need to have some sort of consistency. Better a consistant but medicore MA than an AvA that may work one week but not the next.
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Originally posted by lutrel
On Monday Nights we can be found in the mid war arena; come escort or shoot at us. All Avenger events start times are 7 PM'ish Central time. [/i]
Lutrel, we've started flying "mini-snapshots" with other squads in the Mid-War with historical aircraft matchups. I'd like to get the guys and fly as an OpFor. Do you always fly the same type of Aircraft or do you mix them up. If you mix them up could you let me know what you are flying and we'll pick an historical opponent.
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(1) The AvA setups seem schizophrenic because different people set them up. The variety is a good thing and they do a good job.
(2) Those who are asking for consistency really want it THEIR way all the time.
(3) Someone will always be complaining no matter how it is setup.
(4) Must have been target.
(5)Avengers are identical to %80 of the squads in the game, they don't play the MA because they are not accustomed to the crowds and will soon become another porker squad in the mid war arena.
(6)Lutrel is peculiar
(7)Dedalos wants every encounter to be a duel because that's what he's good at and he likes to win.
(8)Behavior doesn't dictate numbers, numbers dictate behavior.
(9)Oldman just wants everybody to get along and isn't really that old.
(10)The AvA at its best is neither a DA nor furball but somewhere in between.
(11)Dicho tries disgustingly hard to get everybody to like him.
(12)This is not a troll and these are not the droids your looking for.
(13) 13 is unlucky so...no 13
(14)Pineapple on pizza is just stupid.
(15)Everyone does what it takes to succeed including creating their own definition of success.
(16) I've got things to do, gotta go.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
It's discouraging to see that oldtimers have become wedded to their favorite rides.
It's discouraging that oldtimers have to ride the one to whom they are wedded.
sorry
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Originally posted by KONG1
(1) The AvA setups seem schizophrenic because different people set them up. The variety is a good thing and they do a good job.
(2) Those who are asking for consistency really want it THEIR way all the time.
(3) Someone will always be complaining no matter how it is setup.
(4) Must have been target.
(5)Avengers are identical to %80 of the squads in the game, they don't play the MA because they are not accustomed to the crowds and will soon become another porker squad in the mid war arena.
(6)Lutrel is peculiar
(7)Dedalos wants every encounter to be a duel because that's what he's good at and he likes to win.
(8)Behavior doesn't dictate numbers, numbers dictate behavior.
(9)Oldman just wants everybody to get along and isn't really that old.
(10)The AvA at its best is neither a DA nor furball but somewhere in between.
(11)Dicho tries disgustingly hard to get everybody to like him.
(12)This is not a troll and these are not the droids your looking for.
(13) 13 is unlucky so...no 13
(14)Pineapple on pizza is just stupid.
(15)Everyone does what it takes to succeed including creating their own definition of success.
(16) I've got things to do, gotta go.
Good points. Except for #14.
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Originally posted by KONG1
(1) The AvA setups seem schizophrenic because different people set them up. The variety is a good thing and they do a good job.
(2) Those who are asking for consistency really want it THEIR way all the time.
(3) Someone will always be complaining no matter how it is setup.
(4) Must have been target.
(5)Avengers are identical to %80 of the squads in the game, they don't play the MA because they are not accustomed to the crowds and will soon become another porker squad in the mid war arena.
(6)Lutrel is peculiar
(7)Dedalos wants every encounter to be a duel because that's what he's good at and he likes to win.
(9)Oldman just wants everybody to get along and isn't really that old.
(11)Dicho tries disgustingly hard to get everybody to like him.
(15)Everyone does what it takes to succeed including creating their own definition of success.
In other words Kong, the whole world is crazy and you are the only sane one.....
Actually Kong, I agree with some of what you say...I know, it scares me too.....:lol
I like the diversity in the AvA....but certain things should remain constant. Ack should always be lethal. PERIOD. Base taking should always be possible...but I like the idea of diversity in the degree of difficulty; ie, more troops compared to less troops form week to week.
Raptor 33
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Originally posted by KONG1
It's discouraging that oldtimers have to ride the one to whom they are wedded.
sorry
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol
You should be a comedy writer kong......my guess is you probably are. Do you write speaches for Hillary?
Raptor 33
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Originally posted by KONG1
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(11)Dicho tries disgustingly hard to get everybody to like him.
...snip...
Actually I don't think he's trying at all....that's just Dicho. He actually IS a pretty much likable guy :aok
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I dont like Dicho he always throws empty beer bottles at me.:(
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Dang Kong and Larry both dislike me?
:cry
Now I have to remember if I'm supposed to cut across the river or down the stream :lol
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Originally posted by KONG1
(2) Those who are asking for consistency really want it THEIR way all the time.
And that is why the AvA is what it is.
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Originally posted by raptor33
In other words Kong, the whole world is crazy and you are the only sane one.....
We all have our burdens.
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Originally posted by KONG1
We all have our burdens.
the apeman's burden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P_tD1BOD44)
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Originally posted by KONG1
We all have our burdens.
It must be tough to be the Kong!
Cya tonight guys
Raptor33
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Originally posted by KONG1
(7)Dedalos wants every encounter to be a duel because that's what he's good at and he likes to win.
Not really. i don't get why it is so hard to understand my point. I have a DA and I have 4 MAs. The AvA is not a DA and there is an effort to make it an MA. I don't need another DA or a fifth MA. It is that simple. What I do need, is a reason to go to the AvA. The reason was promise of fights. They were not really there, but the potential was there and it did happen once in a while.
I could not care less about winning but I do care about wasting my time flying for 10 minutes in order to get hoed, ganged, or chase a guy (Okllok, Sehob, etc) to his ack. I can have fun doing that in the MA :aok
So, what is the reason to come in the AvA again? Give me one and I will consider it.
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Originally posted by dedalos
So, what is the reason to come in the AvA again? Give me one and I will consider it.
So I can gang, HO, and run away?
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Originally posted by KONG1
So I can gang, HO, and run away?
hehe, I meant for me foo. really, what is the point? It is the MA with less people and less planes, and few that thing they are special for being there, lol.
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Originally posted by dedalos
hehe, I meant for me foo. really, what is the point? It is the MA with less people and less planes, and few that thing they are special for being there, lol.
well here is 1, who goes there for great fights, like dedalos vs me, or maha vs me, or eagler vs me, or Duke or etc etc etc .....
or 2 vs 2 or 3 vs 2 or 4 vs 3 , or 3 vs 4. or 1 vs 2 and sometimes 1 vs 3
and vice versa........having the judgement to not gang up or overload one side on a single opponent.......
I never really went there to fight like a DA 1vs1 type atmosphere... I did start hanging out there when I was fed up with the gameplay in the MA.......
when I want to duel , I go to the DA, when I want to DUEL in different lane type matchups I go to the DA< when I want to carelously go furball, I now go to the DA to furball pond ( or furball lake or island , whatever people call it )......
I use to find good fights in the AvsA in dismilar yet sometimes close to historical matchups ..... I have seen alot of players progress and advance to be worthy opponents from 1 to 4 or 5 yrs ago.....
and I get enjoyment from this arena.......
and really, I don't mind the squads, as long as we all try and have a good balance of the sides......but no need to discuss that subject, things have been going pretty good lately.......