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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Mus51 on November 27, 2007, 04:39:58 PM
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Heya, SubwayCH asked me to do one of the JG77 skins, and i found we could use some more 109K skins so here it goes:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2057/1091gv1.jpg)
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6051/1092sa9.jpg)
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/2452/1093ol6.jpg)
EDIT: its still not done, some merges need to be corrected.
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Looks great. Only thing I see is that the wing markings need to be lightened or weathered.
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Originally posted by Larry
Looks great. Only thing I see is that the wing markings need to be lightened or weathered.
I agree.. Only thing is lower the opacity just a little on the wing markings. Other than that superb work!
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Very Nice!:aok
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Great looking skin! Thanks for doing it Mus!
Regards,
Subway
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the colors of the top camo are good and thats the hardest part for many to get right. however get a better undersurface shade of rlm 76 going though i think its rlm 76 it had many shades but the one your using isnt one of them. it was generally lighter and more blueish in color though some late war variations exist they tended towards more greenish. but keep the top colors they are nice.
for the markings leave the opacity full or only a very small percentage opacity or fill ie 90% fill or 90% opacity. else the camo underneath shows through
adjust contrast and brightness of the markings instead to blend them in to the rest.
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That's a really nice looking skin Mus51, nicely aged. There seems to be a little bit of banding under the rear fuselage where the "1" is. Maybe you could erase a few of the lowermost pixels of the camouflage mottling at that point to remove it.
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Fencer, Greebo - thanks for the headsup! i will take a look at it today.
Glad the most you already like it.
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Absolutely fantastic.
Well done.
I noticed two things.
The front part of the base of the supercharger intake seems to be a completely different colour to the rear part. Perhaps this is just a shadow.
Also, the very front of the upper engine cowling seems to have an odd colour band, right where the prop spinner meets the fuselage.
Two very minor things, I can't wait to use this in game.
Thanks for putting in the effort.
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Any better?
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8976/1093it2.jpg)
I cant finish it tonight, got some personal things to do.
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I rarley fly K4, but that's a nice skin! WTG Mushy :D
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Looks great! Well done.
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Originally posted by Mus51
Any better?
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8976/1093it2.jpg)
I cant finish it tonight, got some personal things to do.
Hmm, Looks like you may have mixed up a few layers. Well, I think the original looked better, but thats just my opinion
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no keep working on the undersurface color.
still not right.
top colors are excellent though.
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Fester, could you give me an example of what kind of blue it is? That makes it allot easyer for me. :cool:
EDIT: i found this: (http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/luftcambg_8.htm)
on the second 190D they show the rlm 76 on the lower fuselage, should i copy these colors into the skin?
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From sitting in the peanut gallery I gotta say that is a very nice skin in the last pic.
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ive got a book with heavily researched german RLM color swatches made from origional elements and chemicals from recipes used at the time and have been planning to scan them to a disk so I can use them on my own LW skins as a direct on screen reference. but I dont have a scanner and need to go get them scanned to disk profesionally to get the maximum accuracy possible though certainly some of it is lost in translation.
even with this the colors on screen are subject to interpretation of what does and does not look good. if it looks good its good enough if its near to being accurate.
research rlm 76 for more info on the color from various sources and see which one works best. if you use color swatches online dont trust them. use them as a reference and go from there with your own version of the color.
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Mus, you still have a grey section in the middle of the black band that sits directly behind the prop spinner, your last picture shows it clearly.
To help with the RLM 76, check this site out
>Simmer's Paint Shop (link)< (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/page-RGB-colors-Germany.html)
I use this as one of my references when it comes to colours, it's a good site and labels the RGB vaules for the colours as well as displaying swatches.
Hope that helps,
Regards,
Archaius.
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Hey, right now the colors are between this and the gray, i hope its right, i know its not right in this picture. U can clearly see blue if you compare it with the grey pony in formation.
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2487/1094eg0.jpg)
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The hardest thing about LW skins are the colors. Only the Book that Fester references has any valid historical data and it is out of print and very expensive if you can find it.
There are alot of other websites and books that have varying shades of the same RLM colors. Simmer's Paintshop is excellent for a reference but should not be considered gospel nor should any single source.
I would also recommend IPMSStockholm's wesbsite @ HERE (http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_germany.htm) .
Another problem is that colors appear differently on everyone's monitors. The basic trick is to get it so the colors look good in combination on your monitor using all the references you can find. And not to be afraid to scrap it and start all over. I have done that before and created a better skin because of it. .See this thread. (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=208435&highlight=109G14+JG11)
Mus51, the starbord side of your 109 in the "bluer" picture seems to have washed out or blurred the darker sploches when you changed the base color. It appears so in the port view as well.
[edit] One other thing, the upper wing markings, are you sure they are the black/white combined type thingee. By this time in the war I had thought most were the white only. What is your source material for this plane?
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Yea.. u know what.. im going to put this 109 in the closet.. i dont feel charmed to keep doing this skin over and over again.. i have 2 other 109K's wich are nearing done and im pretty certain about the colors being right.
I think i misjudged the hardness of creating LW skins.
EDIT: Fester thanks allot for the headsup about the colors! I really aprreciate it!
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i hope your making a G-2 skin mus :rolleyes:
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That sure is one pretty skin Mus:aok Excellent work!
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it should be a bit more of a duck egg blue with a slightly more greenish tint.
the violet blue hue is a bit off.
its simple to tweak with color balance and hue sliders for the layer in photoshop
try this RGB setting for a late war shade of rlm76 and see how it looks...
R 205 G 216 B 205
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Fester - i will check it out tomorrow, this skin gets me bored for some reason lol.
Fencer - u are right on the wing markings, didnt check it!
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I gave it a try Fester, doesnt look that grey anymore:
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8811/109green1he5.jpg)
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5562/109green2ah9.jpg)
And another one thats almost done:
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6769/109newna1.jpg)
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yuck i dont like that either hehe.
id go with your origional or desaturate the blue undersurface you had experimented with.
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Originally posted by Citabria
yuck i dont like that either hehe.
id go with your origional or desaturate the blue undersurface you had experimented with.
I agree with Fester... Original looks good to me.:aok
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Then il stick to the original grey-blue i had before.
Thanks allot for the headsup about the colors tho Fencer and Fester, i really really apreciate this!
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That second one is even better, fantastic.
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somthing just occured to me about the german crosses on top of the wings.
they would almost certainly be the low profile white outline versions without the black centers.
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Originally posted by Citabria
somthing just occured to me about the german crosses on top of the wings.
they would almost certainly be the low profile white outline versions without the black centers.
Hey Fester, i already found that out and already changed it/submitted it. So .. no worries :)
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I'm thinking about updating this skin. Not sure if it was brown/green RLM. I think it might have been green/grey RLM. Also it had a white/black spinner like older 109's.
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109K/Bf-109K-JG77.1-(W1+265)/images/1-Bf-109K4-I.JG77-(W1+265)-Werknr-334265-captured-Amberg-Germany-1945-01.jpg)
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I think it looks a lot better already:
(http://uppix.net/0/5/d/208c7457867ccd3af95787c5e6395.jpg)
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Dang it...we need a drooling smiley... :bhead
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:D :aok