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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vad on November 28, 2007, 11:25:15 PM
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Driver with his family gets pulled over. When officer won't point out speed limit sign driver was accused of ignoring, driver refuses to sign ticket. Officer shoots man with taser, lets him fall and cut his head, then arrests him.
As the hero explained to a colleague a few minutes later, Massey [the driver] was "making me nervous as hell" by his insistence on being treated as a reasonable adult, rather than behaving like a timid child. "I was like, nah, we ain't playing this game," Gardner boasted to the second officer by way of justifying the Taser strike.
"Good," gloated the second tax-fed parasite. "Good for you."
Quote from here:
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/27/driver-tasered-for-r.html
Video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3533816n
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bait is stale
/swims away
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Originally posted by Vulcan
bait is stale
/swims away
Subject? May be.
Content? Sorry, it's not me.
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the driver forgot to say "don't tase me bro", so what did you expect?
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distrust 99% of what you read on the web and throw away the rest.
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They are going to have to start carrying a second taser, the guys wife was told to get back in the car and she did not immediately comply, she needed punishment, that type of insolence can not be tolerated.
shamus
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Execute the police officer.
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we need to find more real crime for the police to work on so they don't get bored and bother us citizens.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Execute the police officer.
Too extreme. I'm thinking a Youtube video of him admitting he's a low self esteem looser Barney Fife who became a cop because he enjoys the power over others that he'd never have as a pit boy at the Jiffy Lube...Oh,Yeah and tazer him.
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The news anchor states in the video that the victim posted this video on utube.
my question is " how did the victim get that police car video?"
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hmmm cop car sitting on side of the road in front of said speed limit sign.
driver notices cop car moves over to prevent accident, watches car. missed seeing sign not far in front of cop car.
it is either entrapment or stupidity on cop's part.
it shows this only once on CBS vid at the very beginning have to watch it close to catch it.
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If this is "democracy" - I should repeat that I am for totalitarism.
Here refusing to sign a ticket (in fact - a protocol on a violation), or signing it with "Disagree!" and a brief explanation of why and how traffic officer is wrong, is a reason to go to court.
How such cases are solved in courts is another question, but AFAIK it depends on a region. In Moscow we have _unofficial_ instruction for judges to issue as few "not guilty" verdicts as possible. So now we have like less then 2% of "not guilty", while in 1937 it was ~20%, even from "special group of three conferences".
But being tazered for disagreeing with a traffic-police bloodsucker - it's too much even here. You can be stopped just for a routine paper check, you can be sent to an alcohol test (the REAL test is performed in a hospital, blood test), but no silly "yashka" can tazer or beat you.
Theoretically they have a right to open fire at a vehicle that doesn't stop at the request, but I have only heard about Militia firing at cars with armed criminals, plus some anecdotes from funny 1990s, like Militia shooting at a GAZ-21 (Volga made in 1960s), missing, and then - 4 "warriors" getting shot in the head by a driver, a 75-years old veteran who was riding slowly with his spouse. That old guy had an awarded personal TT for his work in State Security in Stalin's times. He brought all 4 bodies to a nearest Militia station and was released - pure self-defense.
Once I was riding with my friends, in a 15-years old VW Passat, driver went 140km/h on Moscow Circular Road, with official speed-limit 100km/h, we got chased by a Militia's Lada model 10, stopped, and an officer who stopped us only checked our papers and had to let us go. Driver didn't see him waving to stop, so Militia had to chase us for like 5km, risking their lives in a Lada at such a speed, and they couldn't accuse us of speeding - no radar. I was with Sadyk and Ksan, someone here may know them.
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That cop's father should've pulled out.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Execute the police officer.
Agreed. And everyone in the county. Also everyone how saw or read of this. Then no problem exists.
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How shocking, the news would showed part of the video...
Driver tells the reporter he knew he hadn't past the 40MPH sign, yet the 1st thing seen on the complete video, is dude passing the 40MPH sign. Dude says he thought he was getting out of the car to look for the sign, uh, no, the officer said in plain English "hop out of the car, turn around and place your hands behind your back"..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc&feature=related
Simple and easy instructions for anyone smarter than a fern to follow, yet Jared decided ignoring the officer and walking away was prudent LMAO... thats called "felony stupid", the last thing you want to do is hand the officer justification to drop you in your tracks.
People can't refuse to sign a promise to appear, ignore simple lawful instructions, then dictate to the police how it's gonna be.. that might work with mall security, but not the gendarme.
On one hand the officer acted accordingly.
On the other... I question his officer safety & tact, or lack there of... trying to hook someone while alone is a recipe for disaster that invites exactly that type of force escalation.
A-lot of people get their nuts in a wad and refuse to sign tickets, happens all the time... having a unit or 2 back-up arrive, with one final explanation that:
They can sign the ticket and go home, or...
Get yanked out, maybe through the sunroof, pepper sprayed, stomped and tasered if need be.. after that humiliation they get booked with the infamous rapist "bubba", and the car gets towed & stored at their expense.
At this point, 99% of the time, they grumble about whatever and sign the ticket.
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In Utah you don't have to sign the ticket. Anyways signing is not saying your guilty of speeding but only that you received a ticket.
There is a big thread over at the SimHQ on this.
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2383913#Post2383913
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One of the few things Jersey gets right.
Here you dont sign the ticket when you get one
Cop hands you a ticket and you have 2 choices.
Go to court on the date written on the ticket and fight it.
Or Go down to the courthouse and pay the fine (Unlesss there is a court appearence required)
There is a 3rd option. Ignore the ticket.
but that usually ends up with you getting all sorts of nasty letters from teh township which if you ignore also. ends up with a cop knocking on your door to arrest you LOL
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
Simple and easy instructions for anyone smarter than a fern to follow, yet Jared decided ignoring the officer and walking away was prudent LMAO... thats called "felony stupid", the last thing you want to do is hand the officer justification to drop you in your tracks.
On the other... I question his officer safety & tact, or lack there of... trying to hook someone while alone is a recipe for disaster that invites exactly that type of force escalation.
He shot the guy in the BACK with his tazer. The guy was backing off from the cop. You can't be serious that everyone who disagrees to comply with a cop could and should be tazered just for that alone.
Tazer is a weapon and should be used only as such. Not as an obedience tool to make it easier (and more fun) to you.
Even more stupid was the cops action after he had tazered the guy - He immediately insisted the guy to put hands behind his back. Right after that he tazered the guy again. There's no excuse to that kind of behaviour. Most people who get unexpectedly tazered are not going to do anything but lay on the ground for the next few seconds. This guy was clearly bewildered and didn't believe he'd be tazed just like that.
The guy didn't exactly behave as a model citizen, but neither did he do anything that would give the cop right to taze him. Especially for the second time.
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Theres also a 4'th option. Become a LEO so you dont feel like you have to spend the rest of your life posting obsessive compulsive negative Police stories.:D
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
A-lot of people get their nuts in a wad and refuse to sign tickets, happens all the time... having a unit or 2 back-up arrive, with one final explanation that:
They can sign the ticket and go home, or...
Get yanked out, maybe through the sunroof, pepper sprayed, stomped and tasered if need be.. after that humiliation they get booked with the infamous rapist "bubba", and the car gets towed & stored at their expense.
At this point, 99% of the time, they grumble about whatever and sign the ticket.
And the difference between a cop that behaves like this and a common dickless, brainless thug with a gun is what, exactly? They both make their money abusing and bullying the public... They both get a hard on from being able to act the way they do with near, or perceived impunity.
The biggest difference I can see is that criminals have more of a chance of getting in trouble, so they have to be smarter and more careful...Oh yeah, and they don't refer to themselves as 'units'.
I'd rather get mugged than have to give a molecule of respect and obedience to an idiot in uniform that would act this way.
Thankfully, I somehow doubt that too many cops actually approve of this type of ritualized abuse.
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If a few of the guys that act like this started losing their pensions and the news got around the in the law enforcement community, this stuff would cease.
shamus
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It is disputible that the guy should have benn tased the first time. but the second time was uncalled fore.
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Originally posted by Fishu
He shot the guy in the BACK with his tazer. The guy was backing off from the cop. You can't be serious that everyone who disagrees to comply with a cop could and should be tazered just for that alone.
Tazer is a weapon and should be used only as such. Not as an obedience tool to make it easier (and more fun) to you.
Even more stupid was the cops action after he had tazered the guy - He immediately insisted the guy to put hands behind his back. Right after that he tazered the guy again. There's no excuse to that kind of behaviour. Most people who get unexpectedly tazered are not going to do anything but lay on the ground for the next few seconds. This guy was clearly bewildered and didn't believe he'd be tazed just like that.
The guy didn't exactly behave as a model citizen, but neither did he do anything that would give the cop right to taze him. Especially for the second time.
He was shot in the back because he ignored several clear and concise orders a child could understand, that is resisting arrest and or delaying an officer.
Academy 101: The police have a duty not to retreat in the face of resistance, and are allowed to use that force necessary to effect the arrest. That "duty" gives the ofcr the 'right' to use force. End of story.
The ofcr doesn't know who this guy is, or why hes refusing to listen to simple instructions, could be just another average idiot, could be a violent felon... would you be willing to risk your safety and that of others to find out which one?
As far tasing him again, there is an "excuse" actually: "training". The taser is a pain compliance tool, once the darts are in, sometimes it takes a juicy reminder, or 2, of who is in charge... its standard. You notice dude started paying better attention and following instructions after being juiced.
"bewildered" is one way to put it, plain old stupid is another. The driver ignored every command until he got a jolt of motivation to start paying attention, thats what a taser is for... otherwise the lone officer would have to go hands on, or use an impact weapon... which would have been an escalation of force.
The police don't have to listen to, argue with, or debate you on the side of the road, you either do as your told, or receive further, often painful or embarrassing, motivation to do so..
If you don't like it that way, next time the lawmakers get together and pass a law like 148 PC- vote them out of office...
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Of course, my subject of this thread was a little bit trolling, but...
Seems, tasers are becoming too popular among policemen in North America nowdays. This nonlethal weapon was intended to use by police for stopping criminals without necessity to shoot them. But it becomes more and more popular to use it as a punishment - student in University few month ago, now this case. You know, in democratic country policeman doesn't have right to judge and punish.
BTW, looks like taser is not completely nonlethal, see last case in Vancouver airport.
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
Academy 101: The police have a duty not to retreat in the face of resistance, and are allowed to use that force necessary to effect the arrest. That "duty" gives the ofcr the 'right' to use force. End of story.
The police don't have to listen to, argue with, or debate you on the side of the road, you either do as your told, or receive further, often painful or embarrassing, motivation to do so..
where is that part that says "serve and protect"?
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
He was shot in the back because he ignored several clear and concise orders a child could understand, that is resisting arrest and or delaying an officer.
Academy 101: The police have a duty not to retreat in the face of resistance, and are allowed to use that force necessary to effect the arrest. That "duty" gives the ofcr the 'right' to use force. End of story.
The ofcr doesn't know who this guy is, or why hes refusing to listen to simple instructions, could be just another average idiot, could be a violent felon... would you be willing to risk your safety and that of others to find out which one?
As far tasing him again, there is an "excuse" actually: "training". The taser is a pain compliance tool, once the darts are in, sometimes it takes a juicy reminder, or 2, of who is in charge... its standard. You notice dude started paying better attention and following instructions after being juiced.
"bewildered" is one way to put it, plain old stupid is another. The driver ignored every command until he got a jolt of motivation to start paying attention, thats what a taser is for... otherwise the lone officer would have to go hands on, or use an impact weapon... which would have been an escalation of force.
The police don't have to listen to, argue with, or debate you on the side of the road, you either do as your told, or receive further, often painful or embarrassing, motivation to do so..
If you don't like it that way, next time the lawmakers get together and pass a law like 148 PC- vote them out of office...
Or the officer could have, as the department spokesman pointed out, written "refused to sign" on the citation and that would have been the end of it. I think the vast majority of the leo's out there would have done just that.
shamus
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Originally posted by Vad
Of course, my subject of this thread was a little bit trolling, but...
Seems, tasers are becoming too popular among policemen in North America nowdays. This nonlethal weapon was intended to use by police for stopping criminals without necessity to shoot them. But it becomes more and more popular to use it as a punishment - student in University few month ago, now this case. You know, in democratic country policeman doesn't have right to judge and punish.
BTW, looks like taser is not completely nonlethal, see last case in Vancouver airport.
There are plans to arm Russian Militia with non-lethal weapons only. I think it's good, because a PM or AKSU-74 in the hands of our beloved Militia "warriors" are more dangerous then in the hands of criminals. When I see a "rubbish" with an AKSU in a Metro - I am almost scared to death, he can shred dozens of people because he probably doesn't understand what is a ricochet of a high-velocity bullet in a station full of people. Other accidents include a "warrior" trying to shoot a German Shepard tied to the fence, shooting 8 times, the dog survived. Or another idiot opening fire from his service PM at the car that blocked him at the traffic light, missing it and making 3 holes in cars passing the intersection...
Give them tazers - and they'll terrorize the population, guilty, suspects, just people passing by, tazering each other, so on...
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
Simple and easy instructions for anyone smarter than a fern to follow, yet Jared decided ignoring the officer and walking away was prudent LMAO... thats called "felony stupid", the last thing you want to do is hand the officer justification to drop you in your tracks.
Exactly.. do what the cop says first, to difuse the situation, and show your not a threat. Then you can argue all you want in court about the violation.
Why would you put your hands in your pocket as you walk away from the cop????
Ever seen the videos where the trooper walks up to a suspect with his guard down, only to get shot in the face or chest?
I think the trooper was just protecting himself, because he didn't know what the other guy was up to. It looks extreme, but knowing that you could possibly be on the floor bleeding to death, and unable to even call for backup, i guess that's what happens.
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Originally posted by Neubob
And the difference between a cop that behaves like this and a common dickless, brainless thug with a gun is what, exactly? They both make their money abusing and bullying the public... They both get a hard on from being able to act the way they do with near, or perceived impunity.
The biggest difference I can see is that criminals have more of a chance of getting in trouble, so they have to be smarter and more careful...Oh yeah, and they don't refer to themselves as 'units'.
I'd rather get mugged than have to give a molecule of respect and obedience to an idiot in uniform that would act this way.
Thankfully, I somehow doubt that too many cops actually approve of this type of ritualized abuse.
The difference is "the law", the police have it on their side, criminals don't... refuse to sign a ticket and go to jail the hard way, or the easy way.. that choice is up to the suspect. Although I think the guy in this video could write the dummies guide to being arrested.
The hard way includes, but not limited to, chemical aerosols, impact weapons, shod foot, PR-24s (PR = public relations), flashlights, tasers, hog-ties, K-9, various firearms, forced extraction via any available opening, and duct tape. For community relations reasons, its important to articulate to this info to the citizenry... with this understanding in mind, Joe citizen usually understands how signing the ticket would be beneficial to their health, pocket book and freedom.
Another difference, cops get to use their work related hard-ons outside of an intimate inmate setting... as Borat would say "wah wah we wah, great success!"
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GovtFlu, you don't work in public relations do you, you really put cops in a bad light with all your "rah rah me mucho cop BS".
i asked before, what happened to the "serve and protect"?
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We have a newspeak media term that can be translated into English as "illegal armed gang-units". It's used to describe Chechen gangs in North Caucasus. Our beloved Militia (police) can be probably called "legal armed gang-units"....
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
The difference is "the law", the police have it on their side, criminals don't... "
I couldn't have said it better myself...
For most cops, however, there is the matter of ethics and morality. A sense of right and wrong, service to the public, and all that good stuff that little boys think about when they dream of becoming policemen.
For those that you described earlier, the only difference, indeed, is that the law is on their side. Otherwise they're just uniformed gangbangers who are taking their adolescent angst out on society... They serve nobody but their own egos, and deserve to be brought down to the level of what they really are--overgrown bullies with more testosterone than brains.
Frankly, I don't know why you feel this glib pride being associated with this kind of cop. They give the rest of law enforcement a bad name. They make cop-hating acceptable and in some cases, downright understandable. Tragic, really.
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
In Utah you don't have to sign the ticket. Anyways signing is not saying your guilty of speeding but only that you received a ticket.
There is a big thread over at the SimHQ on this.
http://www.simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2383913#Post2383913
In Utah, you do have to sign the ticket and yes, it is an admission of guilt(contrary to what an officer may tell you). Read the sentences above the line you sign on. It states on the ticket that you agree to appear before the court clerk in whatever jurisdiction the ticket was issued in and pay the appropriate fine and that the officers version of events as stated above is correct. Arguing before a judge is a waste of time, because you signed the ****ing confession on the side of the road.
Funny thing, on my way to work this morning one of the dj's at the radio station i listen to here in Utah, mentioned traffic was all screwed up because of the number of cars pulled over on "Quota Day" was causing rubbernecking. Dude got tazed for questioning the random motorist revenue tax. He'll know better next time.