Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bsdaddict on November 29, 2007, 10:51:56 AM
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on Faux news? landing with one landing gear stuck.
edit: the one wheel that deployed collapsed on contact, pilot made a non-eventful belly landing...
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Almost everyday I hear about some private pilot killing him/herself along with a few passengers. I have come to the conclusion that I won't go up in one of this death traps again.
Sorry to all you Pilots out there, but it is when not if with me.
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cesna dangerous?
more likely to be hit by lightning than crash a cesna, i rekon.
the 152s are about the easiest thing to fly in the world, hardly a death trap unless the pilot is a moron or youre very unlucky.
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152 and 152rg are very safe aircraft.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
152 and 152rg are very safe aircraft.
152RG????????
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Originally posted by Maverick
152RG????????
i pretty sure there is no such thing... maybe he ment 172RG
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Originally posted by JBA
Almost everyday I hear about some private pilot killing him/herself along with a few passengers. I have come to the conclusion that I won't go up in one of this death traps again.
Sorry to all you Pilots out there, but it is when not if with me.
its more often pilot error than the aircrafts fault
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watched it, beautiful landing, i think they must have shut down the engine before touch down, looks like the prop was not even bent.
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Originally posted by JimBeam
i pretty sure there is no such thing... maybe he ment 172RG
There's no such thing as a cesna either.
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172RG it is...... I'd like to know who keeps moving my keys around :aok
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Originally posted by JBA
Almost everyday I hear about some private pilot killing him/herself along with a few passengers. I have come to the conclusion that I won't go up in one of this death traps again.
How is the bicycle working out?
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Nah, if they made the same fuss over each bicycle death, he'd be absolutely terrified at the very sight of 'em. Plane deaths just get reported more because it's sexier, and he hasn't figured that out yet.
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Nope it's not quite that Chairboy. It's that some folks are really just not qualified to deal with more than a computer game. Some of them are good because they know their limitation in that matter.
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The girl did a good job. Probably lost hydraulic fluid...ouch.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Nope it's not quite that Chairboy. It's that some folks are really just not qualified to deal with more than a computer game. Some of them are good because they know their limitation in that matter.
Anybody know of a good TDF cycling sim?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Anybody know of a good TDF cycling sim?
As a matter of fact...
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My dad had a great time in the Civil Air Patrol. He said they were always getting called out to search for crashed general aviation aircraft. He even got to fly WW2 surplus L-4s. But he did tell me that general aviation aircraft do crash more often than one might think, and that he never found anyone alive.
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Originally posted by Casca
How is the bicycle working out?
In 1999, there were 750 bicycling fatalities and 51,000 bicycling injuries resulting from traffic crashes in the United States. While these numbers continue to decrease from year to year, bicyclist fatalities still account for 2 percent of all traffic fatalities as well as 2 percent of all traffic injuries.
http://www.massbike.org/info/statistics.htm
There are 85 million bicycle riders in the US.
773 bicyclists died on US roads in 2006, down just 11 from the year before. 92% of them died in crashes with motor vehicles (720).
vs the small Plane:
In 2004, The NTSB investigated 1178 small-plane accidents that resulted in 440 fatalities. Thats an average of 98 accidents a month, with 36 deaths a month. The cause for the majority of these accidents fell under the category of human error, which means either pilot error or a mistake made by the mechanics or air traffic controllers.....
cause of the accidents was for one of the following reasons, each of which falls under the category of negligence:
Pilot error The most common reason for small plane accidents.
Improper loading This is what caused the crash of the Cessna 402B that was carrying the pop singer Aaliyah in September, 2001.
Engine failures in all phases of flight
In-flight icing
In-flight instrument failures
Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases
Mid-air collisions
Flight instructor error
Negligent maintenance
Air traffic control errors
Defective onboard computers or software
Fuel tank explosions
Poorly maintained equipment
but I'm still not afraid to ride my bike that's for damn sure.....
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Originally posted by JBA
cause of the accidents was for one of the following reasons, each of which falls under the category of negligence:
Pilot error The most common reason for small plane accidents.
Improper loading This is what caused the crash of the Cessna 402B that was carrying the pop singer Aaliyah in September, 2001. Read pilot Error - Holden
Engine failures in all phases of flight Ran out of Gas? No Oil? Pilot error Holden
In-flight icing Read pilot error... I don't fly in bad weather. Holden
In-flight instrument failures Read Pilot error... IDFIBW Holden
Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases This causes innumerable deaths each year. Millions of deaths were caused by cancellation of homeowners insurance last year. - Holden :huh
Mid-air collisions Read pilot error - Holden
Flight instructor error Read pilot error - Holden
Negligent maintenance
Air traffic control errors
Defective onboard computers or software
Fuel tank explosions
Poorly maintained equipment
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General Aviation has about the same accident record as motorcycles. Differance being that most GA accidents are avoidable. It's mostly pilot error.
I plan to avoid being a statistic myself. After 25 years as a pilot, so far, it's working.;)
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Originally posted by JBA
Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases
HUh???:rofl
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They deny the insurance coverage using a Stinger missile to deliver the bad news.
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Originally posted by JBA
In 1999, there were 750 bicycling fatalities and 51,000 bicycling injuries resulting from traffic crashes in the United States. While these numbers continue to decrease from year to year, bicyclist fatalities still account for 2 percent of all traffic fatalities as well as 2 percent of all traffic injuries.
http://www.massbike.org/info/statistics.htm
There are 85 million bicycle riders in the US.
773 bicyclists died on US roads in 2006, down just 11 from the year before. 92% of them died in crashes with motor vehicles (720).
vs the small Plane:
In 2004, The NTSB investigated 1178 small-plane accidents that resulted in 440 fatalities. Thats an average of 98 accidents a month, with 36 deaths a month. The cause for the majority of these accidents fell under the category of human error, which means either pilot error or a mistake made by the mechanics or air traffic controllers.....
cause of the accidents was for one of the following reasons, each of which falls under the category of negligence:
Pilot error The most common reason for small plane accidents.
Improper loading This is what caused the crash of the Cessna 402B that was carrying the pop singer Aaliyah in September, 2001.
Engine failures in all phases of flight
In-flight icing
In-flight instrument failures
Denial of insurance coverage in aviation cases
Mid-air collisions
Flight instructor error
Negligent maintenance
Air traffic control errors
Defective onboard computers or software
Fuel tank explosions
Poorly maintained equipment
but I'm still not afraid to ride my bike that's for damn sure.....
You have performed a risk/benefit calculation and concluded that riding a bicycle is an acceptable risk. You have performed another and concluded that riding in a general aviation aircraft is an unacceptable risk. So far so good, pedal your way to happiness. Risk/benefit calculations tend to be personal, some people skydive and others don't. Labeling general aviation aircraft as "death traps" however just amused me. You seem to be the type of person that thinks all general aviation aircraft are Pipercubs and I would not be surprised if you thought that Pipercub is just one word.
The accident rate in general aviation, while always worth trying to improve, is not one of the large problems facing the aviation community. A far bigger problem is that it is so easy to find eleven other people like you to sit on a jury adjudicating matters of liability. Since you already know how dangerous this activity is, folks like yourself are putty in the hands of an enterprising plaintiff's attorney. A common attitude to be sure but one that is destructive of an activity that some of us are interested in and, in some cases, affords us our livelihoods.