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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SD67 on November 30, 2007, 05:25:00 AM
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Beijing, November 28, 2007 – Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company, will partner with Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) to manufacture the new Model 162 SkyCatcher light sport aircraft (LSA). SAC is a subsidiary of China Aviation Industry Corporation I (AVIC I), which is a government-owned consortium of aircraft manufacturers.
This is the same Cessna LSA that your EAA fought so hard to get approved.
Now it's going to be built in China.:huh
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Don't lick the paint :eek:
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well it will be a guaranteed flop.
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Was on a trip to a customer site in Manila last year. Saw tons of Chinese motorcycles which were extremely inexpensive and very nice looking.
People there said these motorcycles were extremely popular and well built.
http://www.made-in-china.com/Transportation-Catalog/Motorcycle.html
mmmm... Harley-Davidson Chinese built motorcycles... can it be far behind?
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Don't lick the paint :eek:
slurp... opps! Too late! :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Harley-Davidson Chinese built motorcycles... can it be far behind
Yes......very far.
People there said these motorcycles were extremely popular and well built.
Don`t know who "people" are , but the scooters are crap throwaways.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Yes......very far.
Don`t know who "people" are , but the scooters are crap throwaways.
people = Philippino working class. They don't make much money... not even the engineers... about $35K a year for a good engineer.
mmmm... :rofl American pride... The Chinese are building a lot of different motorcycles; not just scooters.
Pride goeth before the fall...
Harley-Davidson Plans Layoffs --> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3DA1338F931A15756C0A964948260&sec=&spon=
Harleys cost too much and a lot of that cost is worker related expenses...
I hope you are right Jackal dear...
TIGERESS
Edit: Here is a Chinese V-Twin called Lifan Thunder SG 400.
(http://www.frankshepherd.co.uk/images/lifan_400_large.jpg)
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Originally posted by Tigeress
mmmm... :rofl American pride... they are building a lot of different motorcycles; not just scooters.
Tell me about it. They are crap throwaways, like I said. Atomic blast like depreciation from tag pull off. No longevity. Nothing.
I get offers of importation on this crap all the time. I reply....Nuts. :)
Pride goeth before the fall...
Not as long as Willie G. is kicking.
Harleys cost too much and a lot of that cost is worker related expenses
You can think Yups for the cost.
The solid backbone is still there like it always was.
Even with the high price, it is a good investment.
The only scoot you can buy new, ride 2/3 years and make a profit.
Along with the Deuce I bought last year , I have a `60 model.
Don`t see too many neese or Jap...or anything else around like that.
Friends have Knucks, Pans, Shovels.........all still cruising the black top.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Tell me about it. They are crap throwaways, like I said. Atomic blast like depreciation from tag pull off. No longevity. Nothing.
I get offers of importation on this crap all the time. I reply....Nuts. :)
Not as long as Willie G. is kicking.
You can think Yups for the cost.
The solid backbone is still there like it always was.
Even with the high price, it is a good investment.
The only scoot you can buy new, ride 2/3 years and make a profit.
Along with the Deuce I bought last year , I have a `60 model.
Don`t see too many neese or Jap...or anything else around like that.
Friends have Knucks, Pans, Shovels.........all still cruising the black top.
Even Prada manufactures in China and has a following of the fashion elite just as H-D has a following of an elite.
Like I said... H-D manufacturing in China may not be far behind. It makes for good profits in the globalization age. I don't like to see it.
Harley-Davidson Rides into China --> http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/03/harley_china/index_01.htm
Harley-Davidson Motor Company announced today that it is exploring a relationship with China's Zongshen Motorcycle Group --> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/harley_davidson_chinese_motorcycle_market/
Zongshen/H-D relationship is happening --> http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/harley_davidson_chinese_motorcycle_market/photo_01.html
TIGERESS
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I, for one , and they are many will welcome downsizing of H-D on manufacturing numbers.
S&S has shown Willie and H-D what can be done. (It`s still H-D, without the label, with 2x warranty when you build it yourself.)
Now H-D has seen partial light in this area and are partnering with companies such as S&S, Screaming Eagle , etc.
That`s a very good thing.
Screw the throwaway crap.
A guy I know was going to make a bundle selling Neese scooters.
When the crap started throwing rods, bearings, etc. like a grist mill he had more on his plate than he could eat.
Lost his proverbial rear end.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Edit: Here is a Chinese V-Twin called Lifan Thunder SG 400.
(http://www.frankshepherd.co.uk/images/lifan_400_large.jpg)
ROFLMAO
I can smell the rear piston melting down from here. :)
SG400-------> :rofl
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I, for one , and they are many will welcome downsizing of H-D on manufacturing numbers.
S&S has shown Willie and H-D what can be done. (It`s still H-D, without the label, with 2x warranty when you build it yourself.)
Now H-D has seen partial light in this area and are partnering with companies such as S&S, Screaming Eagle , etc.
That`s a very good thing.
Screw the throwaway crap.
A guy I know was going to make a bundle selling Neese scooters.
When the crap started throwing rods, bearings, etc. like a grist mill he had more on his plate than he could eat.
Lost his proverbial rear end.
Sounds like he got his butt handed to him but I would advise not judging all Chinese motorcycle manufacturing companies and their offerings on your friends bad experiences. To underestimate them would be a mistake, IMV.
The Chinese are coming...
Ding Dow Dai,
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Sounds like he got his butt handed to him but I would advise not judging all Chinese motorcycle manufacturing companies and their offerings on your friends bad experiences. To underestimate them would be a mistake, IMV.
The Chinese are coming...
Ding Dow Dai,
TIGERESS
Ummmm...hmmmmmmm .........and Madonna is in fact a virgin. :)
This is what I do. It is my life and has been for a looooong time.
Junk has been tried in any from or fashion imaginable in the scoot world in an effort to even come close to the H-D design and following. It has all failed miserably with the folks that have aircraft oil in their veins. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Ummmm...hmmmmmmm .........and Madonna is in fact a virgin. :)
This is what I do. It is my life and has been for a looooong time.
Junk has been tried in any from or fashion imaginable in the scoot world in an effort to even come close to the H-D design and following. It has all failed miserably with the folks that have aircraft oil in their veins. :)
And now that love of Harleys is also being experienced in China...
(http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2006/04/08/image1482966g.jpg)
-Hollis Zhao, general manager of Harley-Davidson's
first authorized dealership in China, tends to one of
the bikes at the showroom in Beijing April 7, 2006.
(AFP Photo)
see --> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/08/business/main1482965.shtml
excerpt: Zhao Hong, 23, had a ponytail and an eyebrow piercing. His girlfriend rode on the back of his vintage Harley, a miniature dog in her purse.
Dong Fang, a 40-year-old artist, painted an eagle on his Harley Road King; "It brings freedom to my spirit," said Dong, who sported a black cap pulled low over his sunglasses. "Harley's represent the tears of a man. Men can be happy, they can be sad. When men are sad and they want to cry, they get on the bike and ride off."
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There are 1.3 billion people in China.
Dealerships are the first steps. :noid
Do the math...
Same situation with Civilian Aviation...
My travels around the world has taught me something... societies/cultures aside; people are the same everywhere.
Ding Dow Dai,
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Dealerships are the first steps.
Watch and learn. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Watch and learn. :)
CC! :)
I have ridden on the back of a Harley and caught the H-D bug as a result.
Actually got MC added to my driver's license when I was like 24 and was given the chance to drive a sportster... hoooyah
Unfortunately, I lost its balance at a stop light and could not keep it from laying down; it was heavy... :cry
I felt sooo bad about it... but the guy was cool about it although he never let me drive it again. lol A guy behind me got off his bike and pull it back on its kickstand then picked me up by the waist and plopped me back on it.
Can't explain the H-D bug; just have to experience it...
That was when I was young and foolish! :rofl
I doubt anyone could talk me onto the back of a motorcycle today...
But... never lost that H-D bug :p
Last time I rode on the back of a motorcycle was in Singapore in 1998.
Was given a ride back from work to the hotel via an 8 lane highway in very heavy fast moving traffic by a Singaporean-Chinese male colleague.
(http://www.mot.gov.sg/landtransport/images/RoadsJan_9.jpg)
from --> http://www.mot.gov.sg/landtransport/milestones.htm
Scared the absolute living **** out of me!!!
Cars tend to hug or drive on lane divider lines and change lanes without signalling or even looking many times and the guy I was riding with was weaving in and out of all this... OMG!!!!!!!
I had my arms wrapped around him so tight I don't think he was the same for a week! :rofl
It was one of those big bad-ass Japanese crotch-rockets as he put it.
A blue one...
My knees were shaking so bad when I got off it I almost fell down. HAHAHAHAHAHA I went straight to the hotel bar and had several Jack & Gingers and a cigarette to calm down.
I waited for taxis after that.
TIGERESS
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I've ridden several of the Chinese motorcycles.
Sure, they're dirt cheap. And they're still seriously overpriced.
Motorrad, a German biking magasine, has done several serious tests on them. On one of them, the back end just fell off. Other structural failures include the front fork, the chain system and the rear damper(s).
They corrode horribly, the welding is absolutely poor. They can't hold compression, have worse suspension than a pogo stick, huge dips in the torque curve, heavy for their size and are generally just about five or six decades behind the Japanese with a reliability record that'd make the captain of the Exxon Valdez blush.
Sure, they might get better in the future - I expect them to improve and at least get just a few strides behind a mediocre Japanese bike. But they got a long way to go just to get there.
I'll settle for this Suzuki for now:
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/428/svsmallir4.jpg)
The SV650S - now this is a near bulletproof little machine. Doesn't have the HP of a supersport but the grin factor of this 90 degree V-twin is off the charts :aok
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Originally posted by StSanta
I've ridden several of the Chinese motorcycles.
Sure, they're dirt cheap. And they're still seriously overpriced.
Motorrad, a German biking magasine, has done several serious tests on them. On one of them, the back end just fell off. Other structural failures include the front fork, the chain system and the rear damper(s).
They corrode horribly, the welding is absolutely poor. They can't hold compression, have worse suspension than a pogo stick, huge dips in the torque curve, heavy for their size and are generally just about five or six decades behind the Japanese with a reliability record that'd make the captain of the Exxon Valdez blush.
Sure, they might get better in the future - I expect them to improve and at least get just a few strides behind a mediocre Japanese bike. But they got a long way to go just to get there.
I'll settle for this Suzuki for now:
(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/428/svsmallir4.jpg)
The SV650S - now this is a near bulletproof little machine. Doesn't have the HP of a supersport but the grin factor of this 90 degree V-twin is off the charts :aok
Same things were said of Japanese products at one time and were justified. Look at Japanese products today... mmmm... your bike is a Suzuki! never mind! :D
Got an audio of it running?
Back seat looks scarrrry! :O
Beautiful MC you got there! :aok
TIGERESS
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:O Ummmmm..errrrrrrrrr....--------> Nevermind. :)
What has been witnessed in the H-D world the last few years is a Yup trend/fad.
It has helped and hurt in some instances . The 10 year plan just went beyond all expectations.
It will be milked for everything it has while it lasts. No doubt.
Some new Yup fad will come down the pike and take it`s place.
Then it will be what has always kept H-D what it is, the biker.
20K, a gold card and 300 miles does not make you a bro. :)
H-D sort of turned it`s back on the lifestyle for a while in the name of the allmighty buck as most companies will do.
Down played the image. That`s what started the big Yup trend.
It`s sort of funny now that the very image that they tried so hard to play against in the media and promotions..........is now being used for promotion.
When it was made easier in some countries to obtain a Harley, they went for it.
Before that was the big push for rebuildables (basket cases). Everything that could be scraped up was purchased and Connexed overseas. It was a gold mine for gold diggers.
It also ran prices up on parts by depleting supplies. Used to be you could scan adds for basket cases by the numbers any day of the week and take your choice at a reasonable price. Most of the scoots that were rebuilt relied on H-D parts for the basics .......... jugs, pistons, rings, gears, etc., etc. You went to H-D for the parts. Good for H-D before the big push and also the very foundation of what kept it afloat during some pretty lean times......the biker.
Along came companies such as S&S to fill the void that had been made.
Now H-D is having to repair some damage done since it has been proven that the die hard will have what he wants one way or the other. Quality has also been equaled and surpassed by these companies.
Things will settle down with a new twist. H-D has formed and made new partnerships with these companies and relearned where the bread is actualy buttered from.
Time to come home. :)