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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tigeress on November 30, 2007, 01:08:26 PM
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Hostages Taken At Clinton Campaign Office
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14737866/detail.html
This is in progress as of about an hour ago per the post date/time of this thread.
This kind of action is despicable and if politically motivated will reflect poorly on the Republican party power base.
Thoughts?
TIGERESS
Edit: Text of this current breaking news... from above link:
An armed man took at least two workers hostage Friday at a Hillary Clinton presidential campaign office in New Hampshire, police said.
The incident happened at about 1 p.m. Friday at 28 Main St. in Rochester. Officials said that a man is holding people hostage at the office, but it is unclear how many people are being held.
Witness Lettie Tzizik said that she spoke to a woman shortly after she was released from the office by the hostage-taker.
"A young woman with a 6-month or 8-mont-old infant came rushing into the store just in tears, and she said, 'You need to call 911. A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape."
There are several police officers positioned across the street from the office, crouched down behind cruisers with guns drawn, according to a reported at the scene.
"I walked out and I immediately started running, and I saw that the road was blocked off. They told me run and keep going," said Cassandra Hamilton, who works in an office adjacent to the building.
Nearby businesses have been evacuated, and the St. Elizabeth Seaton School has been locked down.
Clinton, who is not in New Hampshire, is attending a National Democratic Committee meeting in Virginia. Presidential candidate Barack Obama also has an office in Rochester, and it has been evacuated. There were no reports of any injuries.
NewsCenter 5 and TheBostonChannel.com will have more information when it becomes available.
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Oh ****. I opened this thread expecting to see a punchline at the end.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Oh ****. I opened this thread expecting to see a punchline at the end.
Unfortunately, this is for real...
TIGERESS
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Bet they wished they believed in private gun ownership now.
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Seems we need to add "Bomb Free Zone" signs next to the "Gun Free Zone" signs.
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indicative of the society the liberals have created. it reflects poorly on all of us since we are the ones who have permitted the vocal few to make us what we are today.
I ask collectively, see if this makes sense to you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBS3bREBaQ) not that I think it will
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this would be a society indicative otf the ruling republican president then ?
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This kind of action is despicable and if politically motivated will reflect poorly on the Republican party power base.
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man, what a stupid thing to say.
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The man will be praised as a hero around here.
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your post would be indicative of the state of public education?
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Originally posted by Curval
The man will be praised as a hero around here.
There are people on this BBS who praise suicide bombers?:confused:
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Originally posted by Yeager
This kind of action is despicable and if politically motivated will reflect poorly on the Republican party power base.
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man, what a stupid thing to say.
Agreed.
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cop on loudspeaker, "hillary...hillary, let the hostages go, we will vote for you."
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The guys an idiot....he could have at least waited until Hillery was there.
That was ment as a joke folks.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
This kind of action is despicable and if politically motivated will reflect poorly on the Republican party power base
I read it, where is the connection to the Republican party?
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yeah, he might be a obama supporter.
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Wow, this thread is getting it from all angles already. This has nothing to do with the current or future president and nothing to do with the Republican or Democratic Party.
Bottom line is there is an armed crazy man threatening innocent American citizens. My prayers go out to them and their families. Let’s hope this ends well.
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Wow, this thread is getting it from all angles already. This has nothing to do with the current or future president and nothing to do with the Republican or Democratic Party.
Bottom line is there is an armed crazy man threatening innocent American citizens. My prayers go out to them and their families. Let’s hope this ends well.
Well said. Rather than speculate on motives etc. just let the professionals do their job and hope for a peacefull outcome.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I read it, where is the connection to the Republican party?
My intelligence is what it is... dim or bright... I only claim to have what God gave me! :)
I am a moderate just to the right of center and would be concerned for the reputation of the Republican Party as even the extreme right should be.
I hope this does not turn out to be the work of political right wing extremists... nor left wing extremists wishing to cleanse themselves of a candidate purporting to be a Centrist.
Don't read inferences into my sentiments... I will be open about them. This situations isn't about me... it’s about our country and a legitimate presidential candidate.
Personally, I do not agree with most of Clinton's political views.
If you assumed I do then you made a mistake.
TIGERESS
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armed? you mean armed with a bomb right?
lazs
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why don't the cops just taze him like they do with everyone else that does not comply.
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Originally posted by storch
indicative of the society the liberals have created. it reflects poorly on all of us since we are the ones who have permitted the vocal few to make us what we are today.
I ask collectively, see if this makes sense to you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBS3bREBaQ) not that I think it will
Jesus.. you guys are too much.. Someone goes into one of Hillary Clinton's campaign offices with a bomb and somehow it's the liberals fault. Sounds like it's a right wing nut job too me..
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bet he has some of them harmless guns lazs
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Wow, this thread is getting it from all angles already. This has nothing to do with the current or future president and nothing to do with the Republican or Democratic Party.
Bottom line is there is an armed crazy man threatening innocent American citizens. My prayers go out to them and their families. Let’s hope this ends well.
If it were a bomber holding hostages in a botched bank robbery I would agree... however, by nature of where he has chosen to take hostages, it speaks of political motivation.
Since it is a breaking story, only time will tell...
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
There are people on this BBS who praise suicide bombers?:confused:
Where did I say that??? I don't think the guy is a suicide bomber anyway.
You know exactly what I meant and some posts have already confirmed it...albeit in jest in most cases.
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Originally posted by expat
bet he has some of them harmless guns lazs
Guns are harmless until someone who wants to be threatening to other people has one in their hands. At that point it doesn't really matter what the person has, be it a gun, home made bomb, or a knife, the person is still a threat. It's all dependant on what mechanism the person chooses to inflict harm with.
Back to the point of this thread though, whoever this guy is, the fact that he has choosen to target Clintons office points towards a polliticaly motivated action. I'll be curious to see how this plays out.
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Originally posted by lazs2
armed? you mean armed with a bomb right?
lazs
Yes Lazs, armed with a bomb, not a gun. I believe the definition of armed still works with a bomb.
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so I still don't get it.... all those people in there...
Why doesn't one of em just take out their gun and shoot the fruitcake?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so I still don't get it.... all those people in there...
Why doesn't one of em just take out their gun and shoot the fruitcake?
lazs
Perhaps they are concerned the guy might detonate the bomb if they don't kill him outright with one shot. Not everyone shoots *trash* as well as you do.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so I still don't get it.... all those people in there...
Why doesn't one of em just take out their gun and shoot the fruitcake?
lazs
They are scared lil sheep and are raised to let the trained professional who cant do anything till he/ she is told to do so from somebody else save them in certain circumstances.
Give the lil sheeps a break. They have been brought up to believe that they are incapable from defending themselves or others around them. The thought is just to much for them to comprehend.
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Originally posted by Curval
Where did I say that??? I don't think the guy is a suicide bomber anyway.
You know exactly what I meant and some posts have already confirmed it...albeit in jest in most cases.
I'm sorry, some guy straps a bomb to his chest, walks into an office, and you say, "The man will be praised as a hero around here."
I guess I got the wong impression. Terribly sorry, old boy.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so I still don't get it.... all those people in there...
Why doesn't one of em just take out their gun and shoot the fruitcake?
lazs
That's probably what he wants Suicide by cop.
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Originally posted by indy007
Bet they wished they believed in private gun ownership now.
I would agree with that... however a suicide bomber, with what is now reported to be one hostage, is a delicate matter to deal with.
I, for one, would like to see this guy taken alive and interrogated.
For all we know he is against the idea of a female president, or his daughter was a notch in Bill's bedpost or he may be an escapee from the local nut ward and just wants world wide attention or a political extremist of either the right or left or some other flavor.
Only time will tell. At least this seems to be an isolated incident.
If this is an Al Qaeda operative I would expect other suicide bombers at other political sites at the same time.
TIGERESS
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curval.. why don't they just shoot him in the head? he isn't wearing a bomb on his head is he?
surely at that range even a new yorker could shoot someone in the head?
Maybe wolf is correct tho...
In which case.. maybe if they wept and wet themselves enough the flood would short out the detonator? or... why not just call 911 and the police will come and make the bad man go away... What is the problem?
lazs
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I hope this turns out well and no-one gets hurt... It would be interesting to see what this fruits agenda was. I can't stand hillary but we do have a ballot box in this country to decide these things...
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probably someone upset that they didn't use his utube question the other night .. would not rule out a publicity stunt
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
I hope this turns out well and no-one gets hurt... It would be interesting to see what this fruits agenda was. I can't stand hillary but we do have a ballot box in this country to decide these things...
Absolutely! I use my power of calm discourse and the vote to speak my mind... not bombs and threats and personal attacks.
TIGERESS
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Funny but the first thing I thought of was that episode of the X Files where the girl keeps trying to get Maulder's attention day after day as her boyfriend blows up himself and the bank over and over.
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval.. why don't they just shoot him in the head? he isn't wearing a bomb on his head is he?
Ever heard of a deadman switch lazs? Sure even you can't be that ignorant?
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Ever heard of a dead man's trigger...
I just hope this ends without loss of life.
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Glad to see everyone pulling together to take this seriously.
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this just in, the man said the govt planted a bug in his head.
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Originally posted by john9001
this just in, the man said the govt planted a bug in his head.
See... it IS the X Files!
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Has anyone heard from Dago? :)
shamus
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why don't the cops just taze him
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I can hear it now..... "Don't taze me bro, dont taze me!"
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by john9001
this just in, the man said the govt planted a bug in his head.
mmmm... no doubt a Red Bug lol ohhh maybe its a Blue Bug.
From the media it's looking more like the act of a local nut job.
A breaking report says his step-son says his dad strapped road flares to his chest and went there to talk to Clinton.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by john9001
this just in, the man said the govt planted a bug in his head.
I told you guys it was a right wing nut job.. :rofl
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If you shoot him, the bullet might set off one of the flares he has duct taped to his chest and burn the building down.
EDIT: LOL, didn't see your post Tigress :)
Charon
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thank god he's just a nut and doesn't have any real weapon. i think most of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves but most of you won't be.
420 out
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local news says he is a "diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic who has not been taking his meds."
hope no one gets hurt, this could've ended quickly if anyone in that office had been exercising their NH Constitution guaranteed right to open carry.
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Originally posted by crockett
I told you guys it was a right wing nut job.. :rofl
I thought that the Government was only implanting bugs inside the brains of Left Wingers???
Why are they now after people on the Right??
I doubt that any Republican would be demanding to speak to Hillary Clinton.
News reports are saying that the man recently went through a bad divorce. His wife apparently dumped him, for some unknown reasons.
Do you think that he may have a secret crush on the former First Lady? Perhaps he is just feeling lonely and unloved, and wants to speak to a charming woman.
SIG 220
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Oh sure, now they will want to ban vest bombs!
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Simple solution- Send in food and drinks, all laced with the medication that this guy is supposed to take. After a couple of hours, he should be coming to his senses.
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Originally posted by Shamus
Has anyone heard from Dago? :)
shamus
LOL! Beat me to it. :D
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Originally posted by Tigeress
If this is an Al Qaeda operative I would expect other suicide bombers at other political sites at the same time.
TIGERESS
One has to really wonder about Al-Qaeda these days. Our Presidential election is in full swing, with all the candidates mingling with the general public. They are all extremely exposed at present.
Why is Al-Qaeda unable to make any assassination attempts on any of the candidates? In fact, over six years have now gone by since 9/11, and no terrorist attacks of any kind have taken place here in our country. Not by Al-Qaeda, or any other terror group.
If these people hate us so much and want to destroy us, then why have there been absolutely no attacks inside America?
One almost gets the impression that Al-Qaeda is off hiding from the US Military in some caves somewhere.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
One has to really wonder about Al-Qaeda these days. Our Presidential election is in full swing, with all the candidates mingling with the general public. They are all extremely exposed at present.
Why is Al-Qaeda unable to make any assassination attempts on any of the candidates? In fact, over six years have now gone by since 9/11, and no terrorist attacks of any kind have taken place here in our country. Not by Al-Qaeda, or any other terror group.
If these people hate us so much and want to destroy us, then why have there been absolutely no attacks inside America?
One almost gets the impression that Al-Qaeda is off hiding from the US Military in some caves somewhere.
SIG 220
The guy is now in custody, no shots fired.
TIGERESS
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lazs, I don't know the specifics of what was going on or how it all went down, but I don't think it would be a good idea to try unless you were right next to the bomber and were able to simply put the barrel to his head without him knowing and pull the trigger.
...and hope he doesn't have a switch on it like Vulcan said.
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he had a divorce hearing set for 1:30. Hostages were taken at 1:00. I think it's safe to say this wasn't politically motivated, except for maybe his soon-to-be ex-wife was a Hillary supporter.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Simple solution- Send in food and drinks, all laced with the medication that this guy is supposed to take. After a couple of hours, he should be coming to his senses.
hahaha I love that solution! :rofl
I can laugh now... its over...
TIGERESS
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Why is Al-Qaeda unable to make any assassination attempts on any of the candidates? In fact, over six years have now gone by since 9/11, and no terrorist attacks of any kind have taken place here in our country. Not by Al-Qaeda, or any other terror group.
I had the rare opportunity for a beltway outsider to ask that question several years ago to Philip Zelikow, who was the director of the 9/11 commission and now does work in Iraq for Condoleezza Rice.
His answer was that getting people willing to actually blow themselves up is fairly rare (especially outside of the ME slums or educated and able to travel and operate successfully outside of the ME) and that al-Queda pretty much depleted itself on 9/11 in the US. He did expect outsiders to cross the border for a quick hit relatively soon, which hasn't happened.
What we have now, and have in Europe in many cases, is an entirely decentralized effort among like-minded extremist not directly affiliated to al-Queda. Their quality will vary. So far, it has sucked, fortunately. Just like the morons that made the first attempt on the Twin Towers and went back to collect the refund on the van.
Charon
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Originally posted by SIG220
One has to really wonder about Al-Qaeda these days. Our Presidential election is in full swing, with all the candidates mingling with the general public. They are all extremely exposed at present.
Why is Al-Qaeda unable to make any assassination attempts on any of the candidates? In fact, over six years have now gone by since 9/11, and no terrorist attacks of any kind have taken place here in our country. Not by Al-Qaeda, or any other terror group.
If these people hate us so much and want to destroy us, then why have there been absolutely no attacks inside America?
One almost gets the impression that Al-Qaeda is off hiding from the US Military in some caves somewhere.
SIG 220
Regardless of the, as it turns out, benign nature of its outcome, this will no doubt cast doubt as to the safety of the candidates and will probably cause the security measures to tighten even more.
Possible Homeland Security Conference on this hostage incident: "Lets wire tap everyone in NH and all neighboring states." We might catch someone doing something... anything... and this is a good excuse to do it. We need to earn our keep thus wiretap the crap out of the public."
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Regardless of the, as it turns out, benign nature of its outcome, this will no doubt cast doubt as to the safety of the candidates and will probably cause the security measures to tighten even more.
TIGERESS
Reagan had far better protection as President in 1981 than any of the current candidates have now. If there is another John Hinckley out there somewhere, nothing is going to stop them.
BTW, all mental health experts now agree that Hinckley is free of mental illness, and should be released from Saint Elizabeth Hospital. However, Federal Judges continue to block his release.
Should Hinckley finally be let out? After all, he has been hospitalized for 25 years now. He is now 52 years old.
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Originally posted by RifleLance
Should Hinckley finally be let out? After all, he has been hospitalized for 25 years now. He is now 52 years old.
hinckley should have a bullet put into his brain, then you will know he is safe.
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what about sirhan sirhan? should he be released as well? I'm not sure if he's still living but supposing he were should he be released?
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Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley, and Charles Manson should all share the same jail cell... for life.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by storch
what about sirhan sirhan? should he be released as well? I'm not sure if he's still living but supposing he were should he be released?
That is confusing Apples with Oranges. Sirhan Sirhan was found guilty of 1st degree murder, and given a death sentence. The death penalty law he was convicted under was overturned, which was how he got his sentence later reduced.
Hinckley was found to be not guilty of any crime at all, due to insanity. He has been in a mental hospital ever since.
After shooting Reagan, Hinckley was baffled that actress Jodi Foster rejected his romance, as he claimed that he had given her "the greatest love offering of them all".
The current incident seems like it may have been done by a man as mentally ill as Hinckley was. In fact, police are unsure of his real name. It turns out that he has gone under a number of different names, and may even have multiple personalities.
I think that all Britney Spears fans need to now be placed under survelliance. For if a Jodi Foster fan can become such a threat, just imagine what horrors a Britney Spears fan could do!!
SIG 220
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ok bare with me on this one. just exactly who did manson kill, himself? manson being inprisoned is a direct threat to all of us who value our freedom. the guy who should be in jail is vincent bugliosi.
see if you can find the logic in that statement.
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Sirhan is up for parole every once in a while.
One of the last times he was before the board he said something like, "If Robert F Kennedy were here on the parole board, he would let me out."
Some comedian took that up and imagined a parole board member repling, "Of all the luck, the only man in the world who would let you out of prison, and you up and kill him."
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Originally posted by RifleLance
That is confusing Apples with Oranges. Sirhan Sirhan was found guilty of 1st degree murder, and given a death sentence. The death penalty law he was convicted under was overturned, which was how he got his sentence later reduced.
Hinckley was found to be not guilty of any crime at all, due to insanity. He has been in a mental hospital ever since.
After shooting Reagan, Hinckley was baffled that actress Jodi Foster rejected his romance, as he claimed that he had given her "the greatest love offering of them all".
The current incident seems like it may have been done by a man as mentally ill as Hinckley was. In fact, police are unsure of his real name. It turns out that he has gone under a number of different names, and may even have multiple personalities.
I think that all Britney Spears fans need to now be placed under survelliance. For if a Jodi Foster fan can become such a threat, just imagine what horrors a Britney Spears fan could do!!
SIG 220
not at all sirhan sirhan was a whacked nutjob of the first magnitude. the fact that he murdered a darling of liberals is why he was railroaded in the manner he was. had he murdered you or I for instance he would have been found to be mentally incompetent. he's incarcerated because of who killed and not because of the particular crime he commited.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Sirhan is up for parole every once in a while.
One of the last times he was before the board he said something like, "If Robert F Kennedy were here on the parole board, he would let me out."
Some comedian took that up and imagined a parole board member repling, "Of all the luck, the only man in the world who would let you out of prison, and you up and kill him."
that's funny
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinkley, and Charles Manson should all share the same jail cell... for life.
TIGERESS
Neither Sirhan or Manson killed in order to convince a movie star actress to fall in love with them.
If only Jodi Foster had come out of the closet sooner, perhaps history could have been different.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by storch
not at all sirhan sirhan was a whacked nutjob of the first magnitude. the fact that he murdered a darling of liberals is why he was railroaded in the manner he was. had he murdered you or I for instance he would have been found to be mentally incompetent. he's incarcerated because of who killed and not because of the particular crime he commited.
Your logic totally fails here, as Reagan was a sitting President, yet Hinckley was found innocent by reason of insanity.
Sirhan also had a valid motive to kill Kennedy, as he ( a Palestinian ) hated Kennedy for his strong support of Israel in the Six Day War. An examination of his diary showed that he had been making notes about killing RFK for years.
Sirhan was able to hold a job, and was functioning OK within society. In sharp contrast, Hinckley had been totally non-functional for some time, and had spent the last of the money that he had got from his parents, just before shooting Reagan.
Sorry, but your defense of Sirhan does not hold any water.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by RifleLance
If only Jodi Foster had come out of the closet sooner, perhaps history could have been different.
SIG 220
what, jodi foster walks on the other side of the street? Say it ain't so.
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Originally posted by storch
ok bare with me on this one. just exactly who did manson kill, himself? manson being inprisoned is a direct threat to all of us who value our freedom. the guy who should be in jail is vincent bugliosi.
see if you can find the logic in that statement.
One does not have to be the person that pulls the trigger, in order to be found guilty of murder under the law.
If Charles Manson is one of your heroes, I hope that you explain that to everyone you meet.
My sister sadly dated a man once whose hero was Adolf Hitler, and unfortunately got pregnant from him. And that was back before abortions were legal. She married him, but the marriage turned out to be a nightmare, with him beating her regularly towards the end. And back then, domestic abuse did not exist either, as far as the police were concerned. My father's efforts to have him charged with a crime all failed.
If only she had known of his love of Hitler earlier, and had seriously taken into consideration all of the implications that had.
SIG 220
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Originally posted by lazs2
so I still don't get it.... all those people in there...
Why doesn't one of em just take out their gun and shoot the fruitcake?
lazs
Its a GUN FREE ZONE, DUH!
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ohnoes, not hitler.:O
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Originally posted by john9001
what, jodi foster walks on the other side of the street? Say it ain't so.
Wow, where have you been all of these years?
Jodi's real legal name is Alicia. After her mother divorced her father, she went off with Jodi and her three siblings to live with her lesbian lover. Jodi was thus raised in a gay household.
The name of her mother's girlfriend was Jodi. And that is why she changed her name from Alicia, to that of her mother's lesbian lover.
Here is a recent photo of Foster with her two sons ( from sperm doners ), and her older movie producer girlfriend: Cydney Bernard
(http://pabe.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/jf012406.jpg)
(http://pabe.files.wordpress.com/2006/05/jodie_foster_050711_01.jpg)
They have been a couple now for 13 years. At age 54, Bernard is over 9 years older than Foster. The name of Foster's boys are Kit Bernard Foster and Charles Bernard Foster.
Here is another photo of them together at the opening of the movie Flight Plan:
(http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/g/051012-flightplan-foster/flightplan-foster-0046.jpg)
Foster is a very private person, and never discusses her personal life with the press. So because she does not flaut her sexuality, many people are not aware of it, despite the fact she has never married.
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charles manson isn't a hero least of all one of mine. apparently you can toss anyone into jail for any reason now so you are correct. the point is charles manson while repugnant and dangerous is not guilty of those murders. the fact that he can found guilty for commiting a crime in which took no actual part in other than the planning should concern you. that it doesn't comes as no surprise since it's not your ox being gored.
there was considerable evidence indicating that sirhan was mental unstable. his ability to hold down a job was a function of his obsessive desire to kill RFK and not necessarily proof of his sanity. if you consider wanting to kill RFK because of his support for israel a valid motive for murder instead of that making a person non rational what can one say. the guy was and probably still is a cheekbones. had he killed anyone else he would have been long ago released.
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the point is charles manson while repugnant and dangerous is not guilty of those murders. the fact that he can found guilty for commiting a crime in which took no actual part in other than the planning should concern you.
Bin Laden didn't fly the planes. Leadership, planning and manipulation of the weak minded into actually performing the acts are just as guilty in situations like this, wouldn't you agree?
Interesting argument, very tough to draw the line, but there is a line I believe.
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so.. if someone would have shot the guy in the head.... it woulda worked out fine then right?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so.. if someone would have shot the guy in the head.... it woulda worked out fine then right?
lazs
It would have been a windfall for lawyers and some carpet cleaning company.
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Clinton to Resume Campaign After Hostage Standoff at Local Office
By VOA News
01 December 2007
U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says she will resume her campaign schedule after a peaceful ending of a hostage situation in one of her campaign offices in the state of New Hampshire.
Wow... knock me over with a feather. I was sure she would withdraw from the contest.
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oh jebus, I fear the writing is on the wall...
from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071201/ap_po/clinton_hostage_leadership;_ylt=Av0OZuvvlm6jOzYwMYgwaCyyFz4D:
Analysis: Clinton calm in hostage crisis
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. - When the hostages had been released and their alleged captor arrested, a regal-looking Hillary Rodham Clinton strolled out of her Washington home, the picture of calm in the face of crisis.
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The image, broadcast just as the network news began, conveyed the message a thousand town hall meetings and campaign commercials strive for — namely, that the Democratic presidential contender can face disorder in a most orderly manner.
of course she was calm, she was never in any danger. jeez, can I get Media Bias for $500, Alex?
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Originally posted by storch
charles manson isn't a hero least of all one of mine. apparently you can toss anyone into jail for any reason now so you are correct. the point is charles manson while repugnant and dangerous is not guilty of those murders. the fact that he can found guilty for commiting a crime in which took no actual part in other than the planning should concern you. that it doesn't comes as no surprise since it's not your ox being gored.
there was considerable evidence indicating that sirhan was mental unstable. his ability to hold down a job was a function of his obsessive desire to kill RFK and not necessarily proof of his sanity. if you consider wanting to kill RFK because of his support for israel a valid motive for murder instead of that making a person non rational what can one say. the guy was and probably still is a cheekbones. had he killed anyone else he would have been long ago released.
They are three murderous nut jobs.
I understand your points, but I was not on the jury; I didn't vote one way or the other to convict him.
Fact is, he is in prison by rule of law thus he deserves to be there until or unless proven otherwise.
Conspiracy to commit mass murder that culminates in mass murder is what it is... mass murder.
Conspiracy:
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so.. if someone would have shot the guy in the head.... it woulda worked out fine then right?
lazs
It may have had an influence on the upcoming Supreme Court case on the 2nd admendment had he been shot by a civilian lawfully carrying a gun.
Hard to say what that affect might have been... good or bad.
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Originally posted by RifleLance
Wow, where have you been all of these years?
Jodi's real legal name is Alicia. After her mother divorced her father, she went off with Jodi and her three siblings to live with her lesbian lover. Jodi was thus raised in a gay household.
The name of her mother's girlfriend was Jodi. And that is why she changed her name from Alicia, to that of her mother's lesbian lover.
Here is a recent photo of Foster with her two sons ( from sperm doners ), and her older movie producer girlfriend: Cydney Bernard
They have been a couple now for 13 years. At age 54, Bernard is over 9 years older than Foster. The name of Foster's boys are Kit Bernard Foster and Charles Bernard Foster.
Here is another photo of them together at the opening of the movie Flight Plan:
(http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/g/051012-flightplan-foster/flightplan-foster-0046.jpg)
Foster is a very private person, and never discusses her personal life with the press. So because she does not flaut her sexuality, many people are not aware of it, despite the fact she has never married.
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It surprised me too! I went a googling though... it's a rumor at this point; she is not "out." yet...
For those of you who want to see a compilation of the actress/lesbian rumor mill,
you can click here --> http://www.lesbianworlds.com/articles/entertain/030201.htm
The one that surprised me the most was hearing about Will Gear... who played Grandpa on The Waltons... oh and and the rumor about Carol Burnett hooking up with Julie Andrews. :huh :confused: :eek:
Everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness so its not for me to judge. …Was just surprised.
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PS: While googling for lesbian related info in Hilary Clinton, this popped up! :confused:
http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/2003/09/22/right_wing_hall