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I found this Gallup poll interesting, especially since the recent Hillary suicide bomber was first viewed as a politically motivated republican by a few folks on this board, and as it turned out, he was wanting to meeting with Hillary to discuss mental health, which tells me he had hope in Hillary.
The bottom line here is that democrats are crazier than republicans, either that or republicans are in denial. ;)
A new Gallup poll finds that Republicans are the sanest people in America, or at least think they are:
Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans report having excellent mental health, compared to 43% of independents and 38% of Democrats. . . .
While Democrats are slightly less likely to report excellent mental health than are independents, the big distinctions in these data are the differences between Republicans and everyone else.
What does this mean? "One could be quick to assume that these differences are based on the underlying demographic and socioeconomic patterns related to party identification in America today," Gallup says. But that doesn't fully explain the discrepancy:
An analysis of the relationship between party identification and self-reported excellent mental health within various categories of age, gender, church attendance, income, education, and other variables shows that the basic pattern persists regardless of these characteristics. In other words, party identification appears to have an independent effect on mental health even when each of these is controlled for.
Gallup provides a set of bar graphs breaking the data down by various factors, demonstrating this independent effect. For instance, people making over $50,000 are considerably likelier to describe their mental health as excellent--but so are Republicans when compared with non-Republicans in both income groups. The only major discrepancy we noted is that going to church seems to be correlated with better mental health only for Republicans.
Without longitudinal data, there is no way to know if the Republican-sanity correlation is enduring or a function of the present moment. It could be, for instance, that Democrats are in a fragile mental state after seven years out of power. Or it could be that people with mental difficulties are more vulnerable to peer pressure than healthier ones and thus have been more prone to leave the GOP because of the party's current unpopularity. In any case, the sanity gap is a fascinating phenomenon that merits further study.
(http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/mentalhealth11302007graph1.gif)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx
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well.. think about it.. more democrats are women and we know who haunts the "self help" isles at the bookstore and goes to shrinks.
If they broke it down by gender it would be even more revealing.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I found this Gallup poll interesting, especially since the recent Hillary suicide bomber was first viewed as a politically motivated republican by a few folks on this board, and as it turned out, he was wanting to meeting with Hillary to discuss mental health, which tells me he had hope in Hillary.
The bottom line here is that democrats are crazier than republicans, either that or republicans are in denial. ;)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx
The bottom line from a gallup poll is that th majority of americans are even more vain than you..( for thinking there is any type of validity, scientifically, to draw any sort of conclusion from a "self psychological exam".)
Another troll....
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Originally posted by MORAY37
The bottom line from a gallup poll is that th majority of americans are even more vain than you..( for thinking there is any type of validity, scientifically, to draw any sort of conclusion from a "self psychological exam".)
Another troll....
You probably think that survey was about you. -- been to Nova Scotia lately?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I found this Gallup poll interesting, especially since the recent Hillary suicide bomber was first viewed as a politically motivated republican by a few folks on this board, and as it turned out, he was wanting to meeting with Hillary to discuss mental health, which tells me he had hope in Hillary.
The bottom line here is that democrats are crazier than republicans, either that or republicans are in denial. ;)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx
Quote.
"Results are based on an aggregated sample of telephone interviews with 4,014 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted in November 2004, November 2005, November 2006, and November 2007. For results based on the total aggregated sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±2 percentage points. The margin of error for smaller subsamples reported in this analysis will be larger.
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls."
Are you serious? A sample size of... 4,014? Statistically, there is no value to merit even the whimsiest of conclusions... and yet you swallow it down like the good little pornstar you are.
They sample, over 3 YEARS, a population the size of my local high school..and you take this to mean SOMETHING? Just so you are aware...
4014 is roughly .0000015 of the population of the United States (per last survey.) I'll let you find, somewhere, what a viable sample size and population consists of.
This particular poll is off in time scale and in sample size. It also has not disclosed it's sampling method, over telephone. For instance, how were the numbers chosen and what was the geographical distribution of respondents.
Gallup polls are notoriously unreliable as methodology is always in question. I thought you were a more capable thinker than that... but just swallow away.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Gallup polls are notoriously unreliable as methodology is always in question. I thought you were a more capable thinker than that... but just swallow away.
You are not saying that a measurement of consensus could be wrong are you?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You probably think that survey was about you. -- been to Nova Scotia lately?
No, and no. The troll just caught my eye.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You are not saying that a measurement of consensus could be wrong are you?
4014 is not a consensus, sir.
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We've had amazing medical advances in the last hundred years but we have more mental illnesses and people inflicted with them than ever before. Drugs do little but pacify imo which is not the answer to most people's depression/anger/ADD/younameit problems. I didn't go to medical school but it doesn't take a doctor to see the solutions being provided by them aren't solving many problems. Temporarily alleviating symptoms perhaps but the long term effect may be a steep price.
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Moray, my boy,
My GF is a biologist who tags fish. She catches some, tags them and lets them go. Later she catches some again and by the ratio of tagged to non tagged fish she estimates the total population.
Kind of like taking a phone poll and estimating what the total population of likely votors think.
How many scientists does it take to make a consensus?
And you don't have to call me sir, Holden will do.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I found this Gallup poll interesting, especially since the recent Hillary suicide bomber was first viewed as a politically motivated republican by a few folks on this board, and as it turned out, he was wanting to meeting with Hillary to discuss mental health, which tells me he had hope in Hillary.
The bottom line here is that democrats are crazier than republicans, either that or republicans are in denial. ;)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx
Actually I expressed concern, in the event the bomber was a political extremist, that it would damage the Republican Party.
Additionally, I am not a democrat.
Granted, I could have written it clearer with regards to my meaning.
Tigeress said, quote: "This kind of action is despicable and if politically motivated will reflect poorly on the Republican party power base."
People read into it whatever their individual paradigms projected. :)
Some of the reactions were humorous to observe! :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Moray, my boy,
My GF is a biologist who tags fish. She catches some, tags them and lets them go. Later she catches some again and by the ratio of tagged to non tagged fish she estimates the total population.
Kind of like taking a phone poll and estimating what the total population of likely votors think.
How many scientists does it take to make a consensus?
And you don't have to call me sir, Holden will do.
You need to, then, talk with her about elementary statistics. That is not the same thing. Also, her tag plots are only reliable in a stable fishery with limited mobility..... IE a lake or other boundaried body. She'll explain that to you. I've used the same methods in manatee population counts in Florida....plots which fall apart when the manatees redistribute for mating.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Moray, my boy,
My GF is a biologist who tags fish. She catches some, tags them and lets them go. Later she catches some again and by the ratio of tagged to non tagged fish she estimates the total population.
Kind of like taking a phone poll and estimating what the total population of likely votors think.
How many scientists does it take to make a consensus?
And you don't have to call me sir, Holden will do.
Estimating a total population versus inferring statistical references within a population from such a small sample... totally different.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I've used the same methods in manatee population counts in Florida....plots which fall apart when the manatees redistribute for mating.
So the country's voting statistics are based on sexual habits? I do the wrong woman and I end up a communist?
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You'd have to be crazy to believe a poll.
I'm a Republican.
I don't believe that poll.
Thus, validating the poll.
My brain hurts.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So the country's voting statistics are based on sexual habits? I do the wrong woman and I end up a communist?
Holden, please keep up.
I was referring to your GF's population data with fish... not the study that was quoted. Her data set is only good with a popluation that REMAINS STABLE.... and is only good to INFER NUMBERS of population.
In this poll, no means of distribution of calls are given. Were they predominately EAST coast respondents? Inner City or country residents..and proportion thereof.?
Their party affiliation is not a mitigating factor for their psychological self exam. It is portrayed as so in the poll.... without any substantive formulation of methodology. That is, exept with comparing it to a SMALLER subset of data... voting records from congress and senate... Another data set which is grossly over worked for its use here.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.. think about it.. more democrats are women and we know who haunts the "self help" isles at the bookstore and goes to shrinks.
If they broke it down by gender it would be even more revealing.
lazs
hahahaha... can always count on you dear.
Republicans are in the minority in this country.
Men are in the minority in this country.
Intelligent well educated men seek medical help more often than dumb uneducated men.
Women seeking "self-help" books often cite men as their biggest problem.
You should get on your knees and thank God you don't have men as your opposite sex! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl
That said, I think men are great! Well, many of them, anyways...
Some just go by testosterone fueled predator instincts and if it weren't for the threat of rule of law would need to be culled by the government like coyotes in the suburbs.
TIGERESS
Edit: That said, I would want me one of them heavily armed he-man predator types to protect me should the thin veneer of civilization crumble to bits. :p
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Holden, please keep up.
I was referring to your GF's population data with fish... not the study that was quoted. Her data set is only good with a popluation that REMAINS STABLE.... and is only good to INFER NUMBERS of population.
You were completely off topic then. I'm sorry, I thought you were posting on the subject of the thread.
You remember the poll that was first posted? The poll you had problems with?
You see, I posted something that I thought you might be familiar with, a biological population counting technique, as an analogy to political polling.
Let me know when you remember what we were talking about.
I'll be waiting for you.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You were completely off topic then. I'm sorry, I thought you were posting on the subject of the thread.
You remember the poll that was first posted? The poll you had problems with?
You see, I posted something that I thought you might be familiar with, a biological population counting technique, as an analogy to political polling.
Let me know when you remember what we were talking about.
I'll be waiting for you.
Wow, Holden. You first bring your girlfriend's fish count data in as supporting a Gallup poll. I explain why it isn't the same. You now tell me I was off topic when I did so......Are you mentally unbalanced up on that mountain in California? (Your GF working on salmonid populations out there huh?) I hope she has more sanity than you.
That counting procedure is not analogous to the gallup poll. I'll let her explain why.
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Sorry, I didn't realize the nuances of statistical polling method varied with species.
mea culpa.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Sorry, I didn't realize the nuances of statistical polling method varied with species.
mea culpa.
Nope, and your smart *** closed off attitude won't explain it to you either. Your intellect needs to step out of your opinion sir.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Nope, and your smart *** closed off attitude won't explain it to you either. Your intellect needs to step out of your opinion sir.
Pot? Kettle...
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So the country's voting statistics are based on sexual habits? I do the wrong woman and I end up a communist?
Well, actually... That's sort of how it works :) Guys do all sorts of dumb thing to get wimmen and likker, so changing political affiliation is a small thing for a lot of people if their main squeeze makes it an issue.
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I like the Fox News headline on it: "Unhappy? Switch parties". :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
I like the Fox News headline on it: "Unhappy? Switch parties". :D
:rofl Lets see what is said about Republican happiness after 8 years of Hilary! :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
:rofl Lets see what is said about Republican happiness after 8 years of Hilary! :rofl
TIGERESS
When Hillary sets us up for a Muslim takeover I suspect my unhappiness will be rivaled by even the most liberal democrat female, soon thereafter to become extinct.
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Originally posted by AKIron
When Hillary sets us up for a Muslim takeover I suspect my unhappiness will be rivaled by even the most liberal democrat female, soon thereafter to become extinct.
She says she is a Centrist... this is the main reason, I have learned, for her loosing points with the hard left and gaining points with moderates and right wingers.
Anyway, it was said for the humor effect! ;) Rush may leave for Canada, though.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
She says she is a Centrist... this is the main reason, I have learned, for her loosing points with the hard left and gaining points with moderates and right wingers.
TIGERESS
And her husband said he neither had sex with that woman nor did he inhale. I am as likely to believe him as her.
Being a centrist is nothing more than a political position intended to garner more votes. I've heard other terms for it, lukewarm comes to mind.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You probably think that survey was about you. -- been to Nova Scotia lately?
Carly Simon. And I bet you thought no one would get it. ;)
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I'm saner than the lot of yas. I'm also better looking and have a bigger noodle. Political support groups are filled with insecure liars. :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
When Hillary sets us up for a Muslim takeover I suspect my unhappiness will be rivaled by even the most liberal democrat female, soon thereafter to become extinct.
(You do realize it's statements like ^ that have people of various political amd philosophical persuasions questioning the sanity of the people or groups that seem to have the tendency for such logic, eh?)
Sky falling, Chicken Little right, news at 7, right after prayers. Ahem. :aok :lol
(Country's not in the danger some claim, move along.) :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
(You do realize it's statements like ^ that have people of various political amd philosophical persuasions questioning the sanity of the people or groups that seem to have the tendency for such logic, eh?)
Sky falling, Chicken Little right, news at 7, right after prayers. Ahem. :aok :lol
(Country's not in the danger some claim, move along.) :)
Either you know nothing about the middle east or you're ignorant that Islam is growing in the west.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Either you know nothing about the middle east or you're ignorant that Islam is growing in the west.
Actually, either you're ignorant of the actual feasability of your fearful claim (Muslims take over and control the U.S.) or you're ignorant that the growth of Islamic followers in the U.S. isn't so explosive as to threaten your lifestyle and that the vast majority of U.S. Muslims are quite "westernized."
I work in an office in which at least 30% are Muslim. Not a single one is a jihadist. Less than 10% of the women wear even a headshawl. And, demographically speaking, no other single group exhibits more tolerance, compassion, civility and maturity here.
One of our supervisors here is Jewish and proudly displays the Iraeli flag in his office. Not one death threat. Go figure.
That's why claims such as yours come off as "nutball" to people who know better. :D
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I'm confident I know as many Muslims as you. I've yet to know one who viewed women as equals, even the "westernized" version. When you are a relatively small minority whose way of life may not be embraced by the majority among whom you live, you maintain a low profile. As numbers grow, people are emboldened, especially when those whose real estate they share seem to be weaker.
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Confident! I'm sure you are. People don't tend to make blanket statements unless they're ... confident.
Still ..... it sure comes across more than mildly fearful and paranoid. If it makes you feel more secure, go back to worrying about illegal immigration from the southern border.
Trust me, you're not nearly in as much danger of cultural extinction as the Indians were when the roots of present day Europeanized North America came about. You just need to appreciate Latino music more.
:aok
Allen, Texas
The racial makeup of the city was 87.14% White, 4.40% African American, 0.52% Native American, 3.73% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 2.41% from other races, and 1.75% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 6.98% of the population.
Euless, Texas
The racial makeup of the city was 75.52% White, 6.49% African American, 0.64% Native American, 7.15% Asian, 1.86% Pacific Islander, 5.38% from other races, and 2.96% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 13.31% of the population. Euless has one of the largest populations of Tongans in North America.
Fear the inevitable Tongan takeover![/b]
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Fear the inevitable Tongan takeover!
:D [/B]
I will bow my allegiance to any wetback swimming over from Tonga.
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I've lived in Allen since I retired from the Air Force in '95 Arlo. For 20 years prior I lived all over the US and in a few other countries. I currently have customers (including a couple of muslims) all over Dallas and worked with a male muslim from Pakistan for a several of the last 12 years and know some of his friends. Ask one of your male muslim buddies about a woman's role if you think I'm so ignorant.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've lived in Allen since I retired from the Air Force in '95 Arlo. For 20 years prior I lived all over the US and in a few other countries. I currently have customers (including a couple of muslims) all over Dallas and worked with a male muslim from Pakistan for a several of the last 12 years and know some of his friends. Ask one of your male muslim buddies about a woman's role if you think I'm so ignorant.
Had the conversation dozens of times, already. Guessing you're presuming the topic never comes up here. :aok Besides, I've heard some self-proclaimed Christians voice some rather ... ummmm .... interesting perspectives concerning women's roles so I wouldn't be so quick to mark the line of demarcation at the feet of the Muslims. :D
Office of over 800 people, btw. ;)
I'm not rushing into accusing you of total ignorance, AKkie. AAMOF, that's what you've been attempting to do to me. Maybe it's just you having made your mind up at the first sampling and rushing to a conclusion and sticking to it. Maybe it's you thinking that since my experiences have led to different conclusions than yours that there's no possible way I'm telling the truth or that I'm inable to comprehend and reach a conclusion as well as you. But both of those entail presumptive "reasoning" so I'll leave them as mere possibility without offering a probability percentage for either. :D
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I will bow my allegiance to any wetback swimming over from Tonga.
You damn well better. Some of the biggest, hardest drinking women I've met. :cool:
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Originally posted by Arlo
You damn well better. Some of the biggest, hardest drinking women I've met. :cool:
You've met somebody who swam over from Tonga?:eek:
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You've met somebody who swam over from Tonga?:eek:
And boy were their flippers tired. It just makes `em meaner, yaknow. ;)