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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: miraj on December 01, 2007, 09:29:34 AM
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I have been playing for nearly a year now , and hear of an Honor Code, but cant find specifics.
My guess here, please adjust accordingly:
No intentional collisions.
Don't shoot chutes.
Keep radio and voice talk relevant.
Answer noobs questions correctly, or not at all.
Don't steal kills.
I understand understand we only fly cartoon planes , but Honor is an essential part of good character, and the more we practice it in life , the better we are for it.
What needs to be added to this list?
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Originally posted by miraj
I have been playing for nearly a year now , and hear of an Honor Code, but cant find specifics.
My guess here, please adjust accordingly:
No intentional collisions.
Don't shoot chutes.
Keep radio and voice talk relevant.
Answer noobs questions correctly, or not at all.
Don't steal kills.
I understand understand we only fly cartoon planes , but Honor is an essential part of good character, and the more we practice it in life , the better we are for it.
What needs to be added to this list?
Honor code is an honor code, there isn't a set "code" for Example if I see a lone plane thats hurt trying to RTB, I will ask on 200 and if he responds, leave him alone, ive done this before and had someone let me go home.
but those are pretty much right, I follow those rules but have a few more, I dont intentionally Ho unless someone fires first, etc I won't pick someone trying to land, but alot of rules like this arn't really looked at.
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Lol. Thats funny.
People don't give a **** what you think about em, and they only have an "honor code" when its them getting cherrypicked or gangbanged.
Hell, the vast majority of them think they are flying "smart".
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Originally posted by Urchin
Lol. Thats funny.
People don't give a **** what you think about em, and they only have an "honor code" when its them getting cherrypicked or gangbanged.
Hell, the vast majority of them think they are flying "smart".
Yep no rules in War, and the days of a honor code are done. What started out in World War 1 died when the first plane had a gun.
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Originally posted by Adonai
Yep no rules in War, and the days of a honor code are done. What started out in World War 1 died when the first plane had a gun.
So what was this? (http://flyingcarrot.com/Brown%20And%20Stigler.htm)
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It's really useless to post because in the game no one cares..
But I'd say..
If you see two cons alone fighting. Don't come in trying to cherry pick. If it's in a furball well then you get what you get. But let a 1 on 1 fight go on, if he kills your countrymen. Well guess what your countryman can get a new plane and then you can fight the guy.
If there is already two guys fighting a con... Don't be the 3rd.. 4th and 5th.
Don't run away from a fight, then come back and try to cherry pick the con you originally ran away from.
If you do join in on a fight, ask your countryman if he wants help prior to trying to jump in and steal the kill he's worked on.
If you must vulch.. don't be a dweeb whom dives in from 20k trying to vulch a guy landing his kills.
If a guy comes to your base and kills you a few times, don't up an LA7 and run him down when he's out of ammo or has a wounded bird. Accept the fact that he beat you and let him fly home and give him a
In other words don't be a tard and show a little respect for those you fly with.
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Chutes are a valid target. They have the ability to not only send base damage assesments but check 6's also. They may whine on ch200 when they get killed under their virtual silk, but that just makes ch200 all the more entertaining. :D
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Ive learned to just play the game. I may do something honorable today, and real tacky tomorrow. I'm a freebird...Lord knows I kaint change.
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I have 3 that I will follow consistantly.
1. Don't Shoot Chutes.
2. Injured Fighters will be left alone./Bombers will Die!:D
3. Let 1 on 1's continue.
I will however straff a field when one is landind or taking off, I have seen far to many times kill a con only to have him reup and kill me. In RL it's a different story, but when you can up and kill again, that does not apply.
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Originally posted by miraj
No intentional collisions.
Try that sometime when you get a chance.
Don't shoot chutes.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa????? Nothing prettier than the explosion of the little silk lined meatballs.
It`s fun for the whole family.
Keep radio and voice talk relevant.
:rofl
Don't steal kills.
Kill stealing is a national past time.
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As I just posted in another thread..
Right way to play = Whatever way the poster currently plays or wants others to play to make it easier on them.
Code = This is a variable. Some won't vulch or will let damaged birds try to get home. For many others its don't HO me back or I'll call you out on 200 or the boards. Oddly, this entails accusing others of "breaking the code" for vulching them and bragging about vulching others and stealing kills off of someone else and complaining about the same when it happens to them. There are many masters of this skill who we all know and love both here and 200. For the most part, see "Right way to play" above.
I'll vulch if I'm trying to help take the base.
I'll sometimes let a damaged bird go.
I'll almost always ask before joining a 1 on 1
I'll take the HO if its my only real option but avoid otherwise.
I don't dive bomb in lvl bombers.
I'll purposely screw with dirtbags, generally go easy on newbs and give respect to a known good player.
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Originally posted by crockett
It's really useless to post because in the game no one cares..
But I'd say..
If you see two cons alone fighting. Don't come in trying to cherry pick. If it's in a furball well then you get what you get. But let a 1 on 1 fight go on, if he kills your countrymen. Well guess what your countryman can get a new plane and then you can fight the guy.
***I disagree. I ask the guy in the fight if he needs help. If not, I tell him I'll park overhead and wait to cover his 6 while he gets on with business. If he calls for help I get in and help him finish the job. If it's a game where I am on one side then I plan on help my side out***
Don't run away from a fight, then come back and try to cherry pick the con you originally ran away from.
***I disagree. Extending away and up from a bad situation then turning it into an advantage is merely a tactic. If the enemy plane can't figure out he is about to get shot down then it's his problem. Staying in a fight that you know you will lose is just plain stupid.***
If you must vulch.. don't be a dweeb whom dives in from 20k trying to vulch a guy landing his kills.
***I disagree. An enemy plane in the air is an enemy plane in the air. If he's flying then he is fair game. Because he chose to land at a field under you is his choice. He lives with the outcome.***
If a guy comes to your base and kills you a few times, don't up an LA7 and run him down when he's out of ammo or has a wounded bird. Accept the fact that he beat you and let him fly home and give him a
***I disagree. If the guy is good enough to beat you in whatever he attacked you in then he should be good enough to fight you in whatever plane you come back in. If he doesn't know when to exit that's his problem.War is Hell. He came to shoot you down. Should you do anything less to him?***
In other words don't be a tard and show a little respect for those you fly with.
***People who attempt to call others tards do so because they list all the things that got them killed then ask everyone else not to do it. Perhaps they think they might be able to play their way without dying. That's the same thought process as taking off from a capped field. If you do it then you do it at your own peril. You miss the whole point. If you take off in a fighter, intent on doing harm to someone elses toy plane, then don't complain if you don't happen to make it home when you run out of ammo. It's no different than German Snipers on D-Day. They shot up a lot of guys on the beachs. When they got surrounded, ran out of ammo, and stood up with a white flag they were shot out of hand. Fact of life.***
**Because someone flies smart and doesn't allow 10 alt monkeys to jump him merely means he'd rather go land his kills and make the other guy take off again. A major change that amazes me more than anything else is a few years ago the "rooks" were called alt monkeys because they wouldn't come to a fight unless tthey came overhead at 20k +. I was amazed last night when masses of knits came into rook land at no less than 16k for most of the night. Then 90% of those guys tried a HO or ran like a scared baby unless they had a horde with them. Amazing. I don't think you can make a film in the MA without 99% of all fights beginning with some dude trying a HO. I had a fellow in a 262 turn into me for some reason. He appeared to be going for a HO but I noted his line of flight was parallel to mine which would bring him coming down my left side at about 30 yards or so. I stood on a rudder and skidded by, raking him from canopy to tail. He flamed and died. HO? You choose. There is a difference and I gotta ask why would someone in a plane that can walk away from my plane turn into me in what appeared to be a possible HO? I moved to avoid his possible HO but killed him in a skid. So, as long as there is the "I have a 50/50 chance of winning (or dyin) a HO" mentality then I wouldn't worry so much about honor in flight because all those dudes are doing is playing a cartoon game. With that in mind, anything goes.**
****If you want an honest opinion from an old vet. Give a good fight, help your countrymen where you can, stay alive, give no quarter and expect none, land your kills. And geez, don't shoot chutes or flaming planes. They guy is already done and you're wasting ammo that might keep you alive later.****
Ren
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Honor? :t
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Chutes must always die.
I don't care what other standards you may set for yourself, chutes must always die. It's not enough to win- someone else has to lose, and that means the meatbomb dies.
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See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.
One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.
Just plain scared. Afraid to fight. Afraid they might lose. I don't know why. You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls.
Its disgusting. I'm so disgusted with the people that play this game that I understand now why Nath was the way he was. I am actually a little sad at the state this game is in. I used to be able to log in and ENJOY the game. Now? Now I log in happy, and leave pissed off. When I first started playing this game, I WANTED to meet the people that played it. There were individual players, with individual personalities. It was nice.
Now? The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits. They suck, they know it. And whats more, they are PROUD of it.
"If you piss someone off, that means U did GUD!"
Thats the attitude. I've only been back for like 6 weeks. The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now. The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.
The game used to be full of people. Now it is full of faceless chicken****s. So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.
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the honor code is what you make of it .
you are the one that must decide what is right and wrong
if you display honor to gain recognition ,that is not honor!
most honor comes from those who do not seek anything more than the right thing to do!
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you must be new here.
I too once thought we saw ourselves as noble knights of the sky; our wives, kids, co-workers and friends, however, see us as computer dorks who play “airplane”.
I agree.
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Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.
One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.
Just plain scared. Afraid to fight. Afraid they might lose. I don't know why. You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls...
Now? The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits. They suck, they know it. And whats more, they are PROUD of it...
Thats the attitude. I've only been back for like 6 weeks. The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now. The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.
The game used to be full of people. Now it is full of faceless chicken****s. So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.
Urchin,
I don't see the game any differently than I did playing AW in '96. All the same types were there then, and they are here now. Granted, there may be more now, but the player base is larger.
I will admit that back in the old days though, there actually was an unwritten code of honor. You'de usually (not always) let someone go if low on fuel, damaged or out of ammo. Hoarding and ganging wasn't as bad although I still remember getting beat regularily by wingman tactics so it wasn't always one on one either.
As to skill level? You are just better now. You've risen above the mediocrity of the crowd.
I never seem to find a problem getting someone to fight with me but I spend a lot of time flying a 190A-8 and everyone thinks they can beat me in a turn fight :t . Am I that great that I can beat N1K's, Spits, F6F's and F4U's turn-fighting in a 190? Nope, not against someone of similar skill anyway but I always hope I've got a trick or two that I've picked up over the years that I can use to gain an edge.
Sure, there are the occasional runners who get balls and come back to pick you when you're engaged in a 3 on 1 (sound familiar anyone?). Oh well. That's my own fault for getting into that 3 on 1 knowing the runner was still around.
Anyway, I don't think there's a code of honor anymore. At least not like there was in the old days (although a few still honor that code) but I also don't see the huge degredation in the game that others seem to. I think people just naturally remember the good things when thinking back and forget the frustrations.
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not so much to say there is any Honor code in the game, but some do show some character and have earned a bit of "respect" amongst each other......
mostly the longer playing players......that have flown against each other forever and a Day, and knows what to and what not to expect from each other in the game.....
one of the guys on this board has a good sig line something to the effect of:
"When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends."
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Can't say how the old days were as I've only been here 4 months. It is very obvious that 80% of the players only give a watermelon about their score...not how they get it.
Ren, I respectfuly disagree. Yes, war is hell...was in Bosnia. This is not war. This is a game people pay $15.00 a month to have fun with. No one pays $15.00 a month to go through the hell of war.
There are still good guys on here. I've met and made friends with a few good guys from all sides. Learned to really dislike several on all sides as well.
Warren M
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Honor == Any goodwill that won't result in an abrupt end of your life.
Cheers,
Vasco
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Urchin pretty much said it.
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its all BS. Play the game however you feel compelled to. If you act like an bellybutton in game its because your an bellybutton in real life. As for honor? Well......sure, if I feel like it.
As far as being scared: Urchin called it only half right. Some people believe being successful is landing every sortie regardless of kills made. Others believe it is HO'ing in their C-hog as many players in as short a time span as possible before getting ploded. Something about rank I guess.........
To each his own.
It is still a good thing to instill a sense of common decency within the game community relating to how players treat one another. ie ass-like behavior should be frowned upon.
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There are many pilots that will fly with an honor code.
Some will not ever vulch,
some will not ever fire on a ho,
some will not ever run from a 1v1,
rules/guildlines that ultimately lead to giving good fights.
An honor code can vary from person to person and exists to ensure that other parties bysides yourself can be given some enjoyment.
Click on the image below:
(http://lgmfilms.net/aceshigh/Paradigm%20Poster.jpg) (http://lgmfilms.net/aceshigh/Paradigm.zip)
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Originally posted by miraj
What needs to be added to this list?
Don't forget to change the name to "Aces High – The Musical."
In all seriousness, I do like the point about answering the noobs correctly and not monopolizing the radio with spam. But fly your own game. There are plenty of people out there talking and typing up a Big Game but are the first to Ho and Ram to steal a kill. Everyone is looking for an edge. If they can make you think it is unethical to use flaps in a fight, they gain an advantage over you. And if you do shoot them down, they will PM you to tell you that you Ho’ed or Picked or wasted too much of your E or burned too much ammo or how they where out of ammo or pilot wounded. It is all a Head Game to get you to hesitate at your next encounter. The bottom line is they’re back in the Tower getting a new airplane and you are still flying. So fly under the Code that makes you feel the best about yourself when you log off. The development of your Code is another aspect of this Game.
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Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.
One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.
Just plain scared. Afraid to fight. Afraid they might lose. I don't know why. You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls.
Its disgusting. I'm so disgusted with the people that play this game that I understand now why Nath was the way he was. I am actually a little sad at the state this game is in. I used to be able to log in and ENJOY the game. Now? Now I log in happy, and leave pissed off. When I first started playing this game, I WANTED to meet the people that played it. There were individual players, with individual personalities. It was nice.
Now? The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits. They suck, they know it. And whats more, they are PROUD of it.
"If you piss someone off, that means U did GUD!"
Thats the attitude. I've only been back for like 6 weeks. The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now. The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.
The game used to be full of people. Now it is full of faceless chicken****s. So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.
While I haven't been around anywhere near as long as you.. I agree pretty much with everything you posted and feel pretty much the exact same way. I log on, hoping to find some good fights and leave ticked off.
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Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.
One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.
Just plain scared. Afraid to fight. Afraid they might lose. I don't know why. You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls.
Its disgusting. I'm so disgusted with the people that play this game that I understand now why Nath was the way he was. I am actually a little sad at the state this game is in. I used to be able to log in and ENJOY the game. Now? Now I log in happy, and leave pissed off. When I first started playing this game, I WANTED to meet the people that played it. There were individual players, with individual personalities. It was nice.
Now? The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits. They suck, they know it. And whats more, they are PROUD of it.
"If you piss someone off, that means U did GUD!"
Thats the attitude. I've only been back for like 6 weeks. The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now. The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.
The game used to be full of people. Now it is full of faceless chicken****s. So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.
There is a big difference between days gone by and today. In the old days and in another game there averaged 100 people up in an arena. People got to know each other. Friends were made. We all met at the Cons, drank, partied and ate dinner together. You fought someone and gave a whether you won or lost. Fights could last 5 minutes but normally didn't . Some guy got up and started trouble and he got gang banged for his attitude. After all he wasn't hard to find. Yes there was dr. gonzo fostering the hate but it was a fun hate. Not serious.
Today we have 300+ in one arena. WE had 500+ in AH. There are guys I've shot down and been shot down by who's call sign I've never heard before. There's smack talk that sometimes sounds like real hate by people I've never heard before. it's a game, there are gonna be new guys flying. If they don't get any training they'll resort to whatever they can do to get a kill and feel a part of the group. Point the nose on a HO, shoot, ram, whatever. Look at all the alt monkeys that dive in on one guy. All for that one kill. LOL. A waste of resources and they all end up dead anyway.
I agree there are lots of folks who are bad and are proud of it. We ain't helping them any by telling them their bad. In the olds days you could tell those guys apart quickly in AH they migrated to bombers or GV's because they didn't want to learn to dogfight. They eventually learn. Go back farther than AH and guys flying buffs were doing so because you could dogfight in a Vader and land lotsa kills. :)
Personally I take each fight as it comes. I fight and move on. I enjoy the fight be it 1v1 or 1v5. If someone runs then he's really not much of a threat if he comes back so I concentrate on the guys that wanna fight me. Those that do give a good accounting of themselves which is all I ask for. To expect more than some can give is unrealistic. Shoot em and move on.
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
***I disagree.
Ren
Don't take this the wrong way, but how on Earth do you fly in the same squad as Skyrock if you support gang-tardism?
:rolleyes:
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Gang tardism? What is that? Das Muppets don't gang anyone. It's pretty rare that 3-4 of us share the same airspace in the same arena.
Last night I flew with 3 Muppets that shared the airspace over 33-34. Every once in a while we'd clear each other but 90% of the time we were all doing our own thing. If you got shot down by a Muppet it's merely because you inadvertantly became his target not because you got ganged by a buncha Muppets.
We go where the fight is and go there to fight. If a Muppet is in your airspace plan on a fight. It's that simple.
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Gang tardism? What is that? Das Muppets don't gang anyone. It's pretty rare that 3-4 of us share the same airspace in the same arena.
Last night I flew with 3 Muppets that shared the airspace over 33-34. Every once in a while we'd clear each other but 90% of the time we were all doing our own thing. If you got shot down by a Muppet it's merely because you inadvertantly became his target not because you got ganged by a buncha Muppets.
We go where the fight is and go there to fight. If a Muppet is in your airspace plan on a fight. It's that simple.
Ren
Relax.. I was poking fun at you. SkyRock is the only guy that I can think of that's worse than me on 200, yelling about gang tards. :D
Although I think he's settled down on 200 so maybe that makes me the worst. :t
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It's ok I get ganged all the time. :)
It seems the enemy looks for me in my runstang, get about 10k above me then dive in....
Skyrocks on vacation...LOL j/k
Ren
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
It's ok I get ganged all the time....
we sure did get ganged last night :( :lol
that's the funny thing, SO many times flying with the Muppets I have seen us fly into the "horde" and go into multiple on 1 fights it is amazing. Other than back in the day when the BK's were on in numbers I have never seen a squad go into "defense" mode as often just for the fun of trying to kill as many as you can before you die. :aok
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It's funny seeing post by those that supposedly follow this "honor code", especially these are the same people you only see in a hord.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Urchin
See Ren, I gotta disagree with you here.
One of the most common, and most infuriating things, about the way most people play this game is that they are scared.
Just plain scared. Afraid to fight. Afraid they might lose. I don't know why. You can be in a P-47 loaded down with bombs, rockets, and DTs, and about 85% of the people who play this game will come in with a 5k alt advantage, make one lazy bore n zoom pass, run like hell if you so much as bank, then wait till 2 or 3 friendlies show up before they sprout some balls.
Its disgusting. I'm so disgusted with the people that play this game that I understand now why Nath was the way he was. I am actually a little sad at the state this game is in. I used to be able to log in and ENJOY the game. Now? Now I log in happy, and leave pissed off. When I first started playing this game, I WANTED to meet the people that played it. There were individual players, with individual personalities. It was nice.
Now? The game is populated with a horde of skill-free, faceless, nutless twits. They suck, they know it. And whats more, they are PROUD of it.
"If you piss someone off, that means U did GUD!"
Thats the attitude. I've only been back for like 6 weeks. The gameplay has NEVER been worse than it is now. The average skill level has NEVER been so low as it is now.
The game used to be full of people. Now it is full of faceless chicken****s. So yea, any talk of an "honor code" is laughable at best, a mockery of what this GAME used to be at worst.
It's sad, but very true :(
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I remember the days, when 60+ in MA was 'o-hoh' and 80+ was real 'OMG'....
Now days its just endles 'stfu', ur mother!', =&%&&!!! and =??!"%¤"%"!! and also !)!)!(!/!/&&!.
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Originally posted by crockett
It's really useless to post because in the game no one cares..
But I'd say..
If you see two cons alone fighting. Don't come in trying to cherry pick. If it's in a furball well then you get what you get. But let a 1 on 1 fight go on, if he kills your countrymen. Well guess what your countryman can get a new plane and then you can fight the guy.
If there is already two guys fighting a con... Don't be the 3rd.. 4th and 5th.
Don't run away from a fight, then come back and try to cherry pick the con you originally ran away from.
If you do join in on a fight, ask your countryman if he wants help prior to trying to jump in and steal the kill he's worked on.
If you must vulch.. don't be a dweeb whom dives in from 20k trying to vulch a guy landing his kills.
If a guy comes to your base and kills you a few times, don't up an LA7 and run him down when he's out of ammo or has a wounded bird. Accept the fact that he beat you and let him fly home and give him a
In other words don't be a tard and show a little respect for those you fly with.
HUH??????????????
All these things have been done to me many times? Now you are saying that the people doin this were NAUGHTY or something?
:rofl
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Naw, WRAG...it's ok when it's you :)
Ren
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Originally posted by JB73
we sure did get ganged last night :( :lol
that's the funny thing, SO many times flying with the Muppets I have seen us fly into the "horde" and go into multiple on 1 fights it is amazing. Other than back in the day when the BK's were on in numbers I have never seen a squad go into "defense" mode as often just for the fun of trying to kill as many as you can before you die. :aok
Trust me, there are plenty of us who do that
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The more I kill, the stupider the dweeb I shoot down, the yellower the runner I nail, the bigger the challenge I overcome, the better I feel.
It's a shame the player skill has come down, but in my opinion it's just the game population getting a large influx of quake airheads, mirroring real life proportions. We real AH WWII propellerheads are just a niche, while most of the public who hears about AH on commercials etc sees it as just a game, not a passion for flying, fighting, etc, and the apparent downtrend in skill is just the scales tipping towards clueless gamers and future AH propheads still at the foot of the learning curve.
But it'd be a bigger shame to let numbskulls like them ruin the fun for us.
So the only good answer to the dweebs is to thoroughly own them, day in, day out.
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I think what I was personally trying to get across is it helps nothing to just tell everyone how bad the game is or has become. The game itself is great. There are many new folks showing up at the door. If you were contemplating coming to this game and read alot of bad talk from the players would you want put up yer hard earned money to give it a try?
For those of us who've been around for 10-15 years we've seen people come and go. We've seen people start slow and take a few years to really get better. We've seen guys get fairly good in a 1year. So what if they came from MS FltSim, EQ or something like that. The fact is they came and wanna learn. Like everything else it takes time for them to get up to speed. Those that don't normally bug after a while.
With so many new folks showing up the fights are gonna suffer for a while. It doesn't mean there ain't fights out there to be had. As these new guys come along they're fights will also get better.
Are they gonna come up to some old phearts standards..some may and whup up on you. Others may not. There's always been dweebs like me around and there always will be.
"nuff said,
Ren
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Originally posted by moot
The more I kill, the stupider the dweeb I shoot down, the yellower the runner I nail, the bigger the challenge I overcome, the better I feel.
It's a shame the player skill has come down, but in my opinion it's just the game population getting a large influx of quake airheads, mirroring real life proportions. We real AH WWII propellerheads are just a niche, while most of the public who hears about AH on commercials etc sees it as just a game, not a passion for flying, fighting, etc, and the apparent downtrend in skill is just the scales tipping towards clueless gamers and future AH propheads still at the foot of the learning curve.
But it'd be a bigger shame to let numbskulls like them ruin the fun for us.
So the only good answer to the dweebs is to thoroughly own them, day in, day out.
:aok
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The way you play this game is a reflection of who you are in real life.
Some are brave
Some are cowards
Some are team oriented
Some are loners
Some have honor and respect
Some have none
Some are helpful offering kind words
Some could care less as long as they get what they want
Some shun the thought of cheating
Some look for every possible way to cheat
Some had good family and parents who taught them well
Some grew up like weeds and never listened or were taught a thing
Word to your mama
As in every part of life, young to old, you are judged by the people you surround yourself with since they are who you inspire to be like.
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Honor exists only to be made a mockery of.
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Simple rules to live by in AH.....
Always take the cheap HO
Kill cripples cleanly (no playing with your food)
Vulching somebody builds character, vulching them a 2nd time increases IQ
If there is a piece of the bogey big enough for you to hit it...shoot it. Afterall your "team mates" would hate to be killed by a wingless wonder
When ever possible pull up thru any friendlies bullet stream as you pick his kill. Getting one of theres and one of yours keeps the sides balanced for good game play
If you cant fly thru him then try and check 6 him off his kill...
If its green use it for bait..
It's bad luck to be the 13th guy in on a lone bogy...
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Very good post A8TOOL. Should be a sticky or "please read before playing"
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
The way you play this game is a reflection of who you are in real life.
Some are brave
Some are cowards
Some are team oriented
Some are loners
Some have honor and respect
Some have none
Some are helpful offering kind words
Some could care less as long as they get what they want
Some shun the thought of cheating
Some look for every possible way to cheat
Some had good family and parents who taught them well
Some grew up like weeds and never listened or were taught a thing
Word to your mama
As in every part of life, young to old, you will be judged by the people you surround yourself with since they are who you inspire to be like.
lol. Though I would agree that with many people you get many different types. But I don't think you will be judged by people who you surrond yourself with....at least not fairly...as I guess you want to be like them. Because if you are all alike, wouldn't you then be judging yourself? Example, If A was a real jerk, and became friends with B and C, who were also real jerks. So now B and C are to be judging A? Sounds a bit biased to me. I think it's up to the rest of the alphabet...then again, if you are a christian, I don't think you should be judging anyone. (which I'm not):)
Also, to equate who you are to a video game just makes no sense, unless you believe that AH and real life share the same consequences and rewards. People act differently when there is actually something important and meaningful at stake. In AH, there is nothing to lose, unless you are a real jerk, then maybe you don't have many AH friends.
Just saying....guess I shouldn't argue though because I am very brave in AH, though I shoot chutes, which I've been told in the past is a real no no. So by this model, maybe I would run into a burning building, rescue someone, then after bringing them out of the house, I would set them down and slap them in the face. Or would I go back into the building and steal all the stuff that isn't burned. Seems logical.
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Originally posted by pluck
People act differently when there is actually something important and meaningful at stake. In AH, there is nothing to lose, ( sidenote: unless you are a real jerk, then maybe you don't have many AH friends.)
Seems logical
not really quoting you pluck, just using some of your words, hope you don't mind......
things that can be lost or dented..
-the AH Community can be affected by the way people act and treat others,.....
-the way the gameplay online changes, can be affected by the way people play or are to stubborn to learn from the longtime players......
- the way newcomers look at this community and look at the way the majority of players play in the game drives the way things will be in the future......
I for one, feel there is a lot to lose, and not that anything is lost as of yet, except we are losing more and more people from the era for which this game is soley built around with every new day( WWII Air Combat and Battles online gameplay ).
that if some people don't stand up and stand strong in their beliefs.......and carry the torch then as with all things this game could stand to lose some of its most important people..those in no certian order could be the historians who give us their dedicated research for true data on plane types , battles fought..We could drive off Scenario designers for people just blowing chunks at their efforts because its not there way!, we could lose Terrain/Map designers because people want it their way.......we could lose the skinners because people just want SCORES or something of that effect...we could lose and have lost in the past volunteers because of bickering, squeekers, whiners etc.......
and most of all we could lose the frinedships most of us have built with each other over many past years.......
Aces High is just an outlet and meeting place where we enteract with each other and have fun, but it also is alot more than that...we are our own small 2nd family.......
some where in all this mess I hope I made some points to think about where this community is , and just exactly where we want to take it and where it could or could not be in a few years from now......
that is what I think of when I think of Honor, character of a being, respect of others, helping others, helping make this a better place for all.......so all the new up and coming players can experience what alot of us have had the fortitude to experience in many past years......
sorry for the rambling.......~SALUTE~
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Originally posted by pluck
lol. Though I would agree that with many people you get many different types. But I don't think you will be judged by people who you surrond yourself with....at least not fairly...as I guess you want to be like them.
OK, I can see how you could mistranslate the meaning of what I said so I made a slight edit to clarify the statement
Also, to equate who you are to a video game just makes no sense, unless you believe that AH and real life share the same consequences and rewards. People act differently when there is actually something important and meaningful at stake. [/B]
It's my belief that no matter what it is your doing in life, how you handle yourself while doing them is a reflection of who you really are for all to see. You either have more good qualities about you or bad and most are either learned or chosen behaviors.
My grandfather said "It's easy to be a jerk, anyone can do it.... but it's hard to be a decent person. It's just that some people see it as work and would rather not to do it"
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It's my belief that no matter what it is your doing in life, how you handle yourself while doing them is a reflection of who you really are for all to see.
"It's easy to be a jerk, anyone can do it.... but it's hard to be a decent person."
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You were raised well
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Those things you mention are real, TC, as they have to be done outside of the game. Those things can be lost, and the people who create them can be driven away. That doesn't have anything to do with gameplay.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Those things you mention are real, TC, as they have to be done outside of the game. Those things can be lost, and the people who create them can be driven away. That doesn't have anything to do with gameplay.
True , I was combining the online gameplay and the people and this messageboard as a whole. because to me it is all intertwined together......
I always felt each different part has some effect on any other 2.........
ok......going to go have some fun..........come shoot me down :-)
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Originally posted by Redlegs
So what was this? (http://flyingcarrot.com/Brown%20And%20Stigler.htm)
Thank you for posting this link Redlegs. Truly a great story!
:aok
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while I agree with much of what has been said, my post was aimed only at predicting a persons morals by how the approach gameplay. I just see a difference in the way you play a game, and the way in which you interact with the community (be it in game, or out). For example, shooting down chutes in the game, does not mean I have reduced morals/lack of respect in real life, nor would it reflect how I treat people in this community (which I agree with your assesment TC). In the same way that a guy who constantly runs away from every fight, may in fact be someone who has shown courage in real life. Intersting enough, if you believe that how you play the game equals your personality, you might have to entertain the idea that the guy that HO is not afraid to meet you face to face, where the guy who shoots you from your six (stabbing you in the back) may have some questionable characteristics. Thanks for reply back, I suspect your grandfather was right. I enjoy reading others points of view, I respect them, I just don't always agree:)
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Naw, WRAG...it's ok when it's you :)
Ren
:lol figures ya BULLY!
Ya wears Combat Flight Boots and yer women folk dress ya FUNNY NEENER NEENER :)
there now I feel better :lol
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As far as honor- or honorable behavior goes, in a 1 vs. 1 or small fight, I'll send out a
and/or a "good fight" PM to the opposition, win or lose. And we usually end there in good faith, knowing that we both had fun.
I'll do the same for some of those patient and skilled pilots that demolish my flight of bombers, usually a and "good fight."
If they gave it thier best, meaning those that actually practice good tactics, and met thier end at my guns, I'll send them an encouraging word, mainly that the next time we meet, I may not be so lucky. :) We may even share some pointers that would help us be more effective at killing each other, LOL.
It's small things like this that are honorable, and I would hope that it encourages people to learn and have fun.
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For good, clean 1 on 1 fights where everyone can measure the length and thickness of their ACM, there's the DA.
:noid
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so by refusing to go to the DA are we to assume this proves the thickest or thinnest of ACM experience?
:noid
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
so by refusing to go to the DA are we to assume this proves the thickest or thinnest of ACM experience?
:noid
yes.
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Originally posted by kvuo75
yes.
not entirely true, Main arena entirely different then DA arena, i've known people to fly better with more then 1 con around em verse 1 on 1.
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
There are many pilots that will fly with an honor code.
Some will not ever vulch,
some will not ever fire on a ho,
some will not ever run from a 1v1,
rules/guildlines that ultimately lead to giving good fights.
An honor code can vary from person to person and exists to ensure that other parties bysides yourself can be given some enjoyment.
Click on the image below:
(http://lgmfilms.net/aceshigh/Paradigm%20Poster.jpg) (http://lgmfilms.net/aceshigh/Paradigm.zip)
Kermit, I take it your using Traker IR or free track while flying ?
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:aok
never in the field of battle,
have so many, complianed
so much, for so long!
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TIR Pro 4 for past 2 years.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
Chutes are a valid target. They have the ability to not only send base damage assesments but check 6's also. They may whine on ch200 when they get killed under their virtual silk, but that just makes ch200 all the more entertaining. :D
They can also get many kills using the pistol: camp at plane spawn points when ACK is down - shoot at emerging pilots in the canopy as they take off.
So yeah, chutes are fair game.
Shamroc
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Originally posted by humble
Simple rules to live by in AH.....
Always take the cheap HO
Kill cripples cleanly (no playing with your food)
Vulching somebody builds character, vulching them a 2nd time increases IQ
If there is a piece of the bogey big enough for you to hit it...shoot it. After all your "team mates" would hate to be killed by a wingless wonder
When ever possible pull up thru any friendlies bullet stream as you pick his kill. Getting one of theres and one of yours keeps the sides balanced for good game play
If you cant fly thru him then try and check 6 him off his kill...
If its green use it for bait..
It's bad luck to be the 13th guy in on a lone bogy...
:rofl :rofl
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OK seriously,
There is only one rule that I try to follow faithfully, that (IMHO) is really of any big concern.
If you come across a ONE vs ONE fight, at a minimum, ask before getting involved. Preferably, wait till it is over.
You see people ignore this in the MA all the time, sometimes people ignore it when they are being ASKED buy the friendly pilot, NOT TO GET INVOLVED.
It completely floors me that people can be this rude.
IMHO, this is the one "rule" that should be followed. Obviously, purposely ignoring this is a testament to your personality in real life.
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Originally posted by miraj
Don't shoot chutes.
The only time I will shoot a chute is when they are bailing into a base we are trying to take. I don't want them running to the map room. Other than that, let em swing.
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Originally posted by miraj
My guess here, please adjust accordingly:
No intentional collisions.
Nuh uh. If you're coming in a horde of LA7's, dweebin it up, I'm gonna use every ounce of ammo I have, then I'm gonna ram someone. 2 or 3 if I can get away with it.
Rammed an LA7 with my Spit 14 last night after I ran outta ammo, as a matter of fact.
Don't shoot chutes.
While they don't give me an actual kill, they are an incredible threat. They can shoot cockpits from the end of a runway, they can provide tactical assistance via local vox, and a hole slew of other things. You bail, you better be .ef'in because as soon as I see one they're next in line for a .50 cal enema.
Keep radio and voice talk relevant.
You put 50 teenage girls on a party line and tell them to behave themselves. Same principle here, and same result.
If I want cohesion and coordination, I'll talk to my squad.
Answer noobs questions correctly, or not at all.
That's understandable, but who hasn't tried the alt-f4 at lease once? heheheh C'mon- lighten up. It's hilarious.
Don't steal kills.
Maybe when I DON'T see 35 planes after 1 zeke turning like a top at .5K, I'll worry about stealing someone's "kill".
Now, this doesn't mean shoot at the Spit XVI that's falling without it's tail-feathers- that's just being an prettythanghole.
I understand understand we only fly cartoon planes , but Honor is an essential part of good character, and the more we practice it in life , the better we are for it.
True in life, not in Aces High. Even Chuck Yeager vulched, dude. While the idea of honor is idealistic and very well-intentioned, you have to remember that war is hell, and the only way to win it is to do what good ol' Stonewall said:
"We must give no quarter to the enemy. We must at once run up the black flag, and give them the bayonet without mercy, without compassion. If we do this, then we will win our freedom."
What needs to be added to this list?
Hmmmm...... good question. I would say that the best thing people can do is watch your countrymen's backs. They got a con (or 5 or 6) on 'em? Give 'em a break order to help you engage and plink off the chasers. That's how I get most of my kills.
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Is the honor code limited to 256 colors?
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Originally posted by Adonai
Honor code is an honor code, there isn't a set "code" for Example if I see a lone plane thats hurt trying to RTB, I will ask on 200 and if he responds, leave him alone, ive done this before and had someone let me go home.
but those are pretty much right, I follow those rules but have a few more, I dont intentionally Ho unless someone fires first, etc I won't pick someone trying to land, but alot of rules like this arn't really looked at.
Jeez Adonai... I WISH... I can not recall ever getting a break when trying to nurse a wounded bird back to base. Most of the time the time The "Bad" guys will pounce on a damaged bird for the easy kill. I commend you for your honor sir, and I only wish that more of your "chute killing, HO'n, Dweebtard/ vulching and LA-7 upping" coubtrymen were so inclined! and
:lol :aok :lol :aok :lol :aok
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Originally posted by Rebel
Nuh uh. If you're coming in a horde of LA7's, dweebin it up, I'm gonna use every ounce of ammo I have, then I'm gonna ram someone. 2 or 3 if I can get away with it.
Rammed an LA7 with my Spit 14 last night after I ran outta ammo, as a matter of fact.
While they don't give me an actual kill, they are an incredible threat. They can shoot cockpits from the end of a runway, they can provide tactical assistance via local vox, and a hole slew of other things. You bail, you better be .ef'in because as soon as I see one they're next in line for a .50 cal enema.
You put 50 teenage girls on a party line and tell them to behave themselves. Same principle here, and same result.
If I want cohesion and coordination, I'll talk to my squad.
That's understandable, but who hasn't tried the alt-f4 at lease once? heheheh C'mon- lighten up. It's hilarious.
Maybe when I DON'T see 35 planes after 1 zeke turning like a top at .5K, I'll worry about stealing someone's "kill".
Now, this doesn't mean shoot at the Spit XVI that's falling without it's tail-feathers- that's just being an prettythanghole.
True in life, not in Aces High. Even Chuck Yeager vulched, dude. While the idea of honor is idealistic and very well-intentioned, you have to remember that war is hell, and the only way to win it is to do what good ol' Stonewall said:
"We must give no quarter to the enemy. We must at once run up the black flag, and give them the bayonet without mercy, without compassion. If we do this, then we will win our freedom."
Hmmmm...... good question. I would say that the best thing people can do is watch your countrymen's backs. They got a con (or 5 or 6) on 'em? Give 'em a break order to help you engage and plink off the chasers. That's how I get most of my kills.
You gotta be a lib... You have just made an excuse for everything that the players see as WRONG/dishonorabl behaviour!!!
According to you there is no wrong!
I bet you could have justified Operation Babarossa! Something like: The Reich needs more space to expand and since the steppes are under-used by the Communists it is our destiny to use this land to its full potential and to our benifit, therefore our invasion is not only necessary, it is required for our national survival!
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Originally posted by MajIssue
You gotta be a lib... You have just made an excuse for everything that the players see as WRONG/dishonorabl behaviour!!!
Boy, are YOU off base! Registered repub, prolly the most conservative guy I know. Not only that, I quoted a Confederate General ;)
And what's "wrong" with the above activites? They all serve tactical/strategic goals that forward that cause of the green guys, and hurt the red guys efforts.
According to you there is no wrong!
Ahem.
Now, this doesn't mean shoot at the Spit XVI that's falling without it's tail-feathers- that's just being an prettythanghole.
I bet you could have justified Operation Babarossa! Something like: The Reich needs more space to expand and since the steppes are under-used by the Communists it is our destiny to use this land to its full potential and to our benifit, therefore our invasion is not only necessary, it is required for our national survival!
Are you even serious? Comparing me to the biggest military blunder in modern history? Not only the biggest blunder, but the biggest double-cross in European history? Good lord, dude! Get a grip!
I gave you very specific examples of why you SHOULD do the things you mention- Chutes are a damn menace. They hurt my side with intelligence and canopy shooting, and they can hide in a bunker preventing a capture, away from all harm. What's so "dishonorable" about negating that oppurtunity?
I'm not saying it's okay to be a jerk-off, but I AM saying if they hit you with a stick, whack 'em with a bat. Do it the Chicago way! :lol
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I hate some of the people that dont follow this list >.>
I think it is honor for me to...
Dont kll RV-8s unless they are flying over your base
dont kill people if they arent going to harm you or you team or your bases
Dont kill people with smoke on unless they get on your tail or shoot you
Dont kill chutes unless they shoot you
Dont vulch unless necesary(or getting back someone who vulched you or your friend or a noob.)
Help noobs
let damaged planes live if they ask you to let them live or make an attempt to escape with no engine, losing oil or pilot wound or if they announce that they are running out of fuel.
Don't be scum and shot a noob that took off for his first time
dont kill when people seem to be flying straight for over 5 mins and are AFK
this is what i dont do and there may be exeptions(Their shooting you, bombing you base EXE....)
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After reading a few replies here , I'd say some of you need to quit. :lol
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Originally posted by Feep25th
I hate some of the people that dont follow this list >.>
I think it is honor for me to...
Dont kll RV-8s unless they are flying over your base
dont kill people if they arent going to harm you or you team or your bases
Dont kill people with smoke on unless they get on your tail or shoot you
Dont kill chutes unless they shoot you
Dont vulch unless necesary(or getting back someone who vulched you or your friend or a noob.)
Help noobs
let damaged planes live if they ask you to let them live or make an attempt to escape with no engine, losing oil or pilot wound or if they announce that they are running out of fuel.
Don't be scum and shot a noob that took off for his first time
dont kill when people seem to be flying straight for over 5 mins and are AFK
this is what i dont do and there may be exeptions(Their shooting you, bombing you base EXE....)
I gotta agree with you here. Everyone knows the first thing I do before attacking anyone, for any reason, is ask, "Are you a noob?" If they say, "Yes" I leave them alone. I hate to say it but no one has yet to tell me they're a noob.
Question...does anyone know what channel frequency 200 is on?
Ren
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Originally posted by Flatbar
Chutes are a valid target. They have the ability to not only send base damage assesments but check 6's also. They may whine on ch200 when they get killed under their virtual silk, but that just makes ch200 all the more entertaining. :D
In a past tour, I was killed by a chute (proxy??), so IMO chutes are fair game.
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Only code to fly by....
There two type of aircraft, Fighters and Targets...
Which are you?
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Originally posted by Adonai
Yep no rules in War, and the days of a honor code are done. What started out in World War 1 died when the first plane had a gun.
Not true, as said by a WWI pilot, "It was war. We were defending our country. We had a strict code of honor: you didn't shoot down a cripple and you kept it a fair fight."
— Captain Wilfrid Reid 'Wop' May, RFC, 13 victories W.W.I.
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Originally posted by RedTop
After reading a few replies here , I'd say some of you need to quit. :lol
I hear you RedTop:rofl
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I dunno why,.....but shooting a chute makes me all warm n fuzzy inside.:cool:
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Originally posted by Rebel
Boy, are YOU off base! Registered repub, prolly the most conservative guy I know. Not only that, I quoted a Confederate General ;)
And what's "wrong" with the above activites? They all serve tactical/strategic goals that forward that cause of the green guys, and hurt the red guys efforts.
Ahem.
Are you even serious? Comparing me to the biggest military blunder in modern history? Not only the biggest blunder, but the biggest double-cross in European history? Good lord, dude! Get a grip!
I gave you very specific examples of why you SHOULD do the things you mention- Chutes are a damn menace. They hurt my side with intelligence and canopy shooting, and they can hide in a bunker preventing a capture, away from all harm. What's so "dishonorable" about negating that oppurtunity?
I'm not saying it's okay to be a jerk-off, but I AM saying if they hit you with a stick, whack 'em with a bat. Do it the Chicago way! :lol
You quoted a confederate General... Another traitor Just like the Libs of today... Fitting
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Originally posted by MajIssue
You quoted a confederate General... Another traitor Just like the Libs of today... Fitting
Okay, you are crazy. Nevermind.
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Originally posted by Rebel
Okay, you are crazy. Nevermind.
I'm crazy? It was you sir that made a justification for every single form of bad behavior the occurs in AH! Or were you referring to my calling confederate Generals traitors? If so consider the following:
Most General Officers (including R.E. Lee who was number 1 in his West Point class) in the confederate Army (the lack of capitalization is intentional) had been comissioned in the United States Army proir to the "Southern Insurrection"
When comissioned all took an oath to protect and defend the United States from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic...
They then took up arms against the same country that they had sworn to protect, After an attack on a U.S. Army post in South Carolina, that took place when most were active duty U.S. Army officers!
I don't know about you but to me that is a textbook definition of a traitor.
Is the confederate Officer corps actions THAT much different that the actions of Congressional libs declaring that the war in Iraq is lost while our soldiers are fighting (and dying) there? If that doesn't give aid and comfort to the enemy (look up sedition) then what does?
I stand by my remarks.
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as an ancestor to some who fought for the south, it is in incredibly bad taste to go off about a subject I"m this passionate about. If you wish to continue the civil war debate, please contact me via pm. I'm not going to dishonor my grandfathers in that kind of fashion.
sorry to all who have read what I had up here before.
Regarding the "justifications" for behaviors that are considered "in bad taste"- I simply stand by my point that I had given tactical points and situations in which they're acceptable. Didn't mean to say shoot a chute that's 15 miles from the nearest base- that's just being a jerk, for example.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
[...] Yes there was dr. gonzo fostering the hate but it was a fun hate. Not serious. [...]
Hate ... that visceral palpitation when you're shooting/being shot by someone and it means something that its happening is what seemed missing from AH when I last played. I think there was an attempt to manufacture some with massive bomber strikes to close fields and the like - but it was short-lived as things in general seemed to have become too PC.
Too many people would rather switch than fight.
Ah well.
One must find the thrills where one can. For a B&Z artist such as myself, few things compare with a 1-pass kill on some jerkwad as he's mouthing off on the pubic channel. Doing it right in front of his wingman makes it perfect.
-DoK
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Originally posted by Adonai
Honor code is an honor code, there isn't a set "code" for Example if I see a lone plane thats hurt trying to RTB, I will ask on 200 and if he responds, leave him alone, ive done this before and had someone let me go home.
but those are pretty much right, I follow those rules but have a few more, I dont intentionally Ho unless someone fires first, etc I won't pick someone trying to land, but alot of rules like this arn't really looked at.
what finish him off dont let him get away and on landing only do on me-262/163
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Originally posted by MajIssue
actions of Congressional libs declaring that the war in Iraq is lost while our soldiers are fighting (and dying) there? If that doesn't give aid and comfort to the enemy (look up sedition) then what does?
Regardless of ones political inclination I would have thought the freedom for representatives of a congressional house to exercise their opinions intrinsic to the doctrine of democracy.
Regardless of whether it gives "comfort" to the enemy or not.
Back on subject.
My view is that to attempt to define a person by their actions within a game and particularly one such as AH is purile at least.
We do see a lot of folk attempting to play "in the character of" such WWII heros as they may respect or admire. Thats fine but they should not feel so empowered as to inflict this mode of game play on others.
There may be actions of players that may give evidence as to characture etc and of course we are all free to form such opinions as we may. But to define a person from such actions could be erronious in the extreme and offer greater insight of those ready to judge than those being judged.
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in the end you have to realize that this is a game, not life. people will do what they want to have fun. maybe they've got a stressful job, or compete in something which requires a lot of discipline. they go to ah to play as they want in their sandbox. there's no money at stake and you're pretty much anonymous. some people will take it seriously and others won't. You'll just have to respect either choice. One of the most pathetic things I've seen is one guy going off on the others personality because of how they play the game. as if it has a direct link to what they do in real life... just reminds me of that sweetheartbag Jack Thompson who claims that videogames are evil.
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if i dont get saluted back, or they know im RTB on 200, ill just squeak there ears out until they bleed:D
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Zoozoo Squeaked me for not saluting him once, I auggered my only death in fighter mode :cry
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lol my code of honor is to not feel warm and fussy inside when I kill zoozoo. what next, eating babies?
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Originally posted by Adonai
Main arena entirely different then DA arena, i've known people to fly better with more then 1 con around em verse 1 on 1.
Very true. I know several top notch 1v1 pilots who don't do exceptionally well in the MA. I know some really good MA pilots who are not impressive 1v1.
There's only a relatively small number that are real good at both.
My regards,
Widewing
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Seems to be good in late war you have to be more skilled in avoiding the perchers, pickers, vulchers, gangers b&z'ers then actually be skilled in angles fighting. I don't know.....What do you think you have to be good at, to be good in the MA?
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I must admit I have broken this so called code and also honored it as well probably about 50/50 depends on situation of play . I have ho'd and I have not ho'd , killed guys in chutes , and killed guys from my chute with 45 auto.
If a guy/gal turns the tables on me and shoots me down then he/she has shown ability and skill , so why should I be an arse ( everybody and I mean everybody loses , so at least be a man/woman about it and admit defeat ) you can always up again and go get'em , its the beauty of this game for $ 15.oo bucks a month you can do as you please. Respect other folks , ask before you leap into 1 on 1s , check your countrys pilots 6's , and generally be a decent person and enjoy play , have fun , and enjoy .
As Always A Nutte
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"If a guy comes to your base and kills you a few times, don't up an LA7 and run him down when he's out of ammo or has a wounded bird. Accept the fact that he beat you and let him fly home and give him a
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LOL! Nah, I'll run down a vulcher anytime.
Truly, this game should have the same online honor code as any other MMOG.
And that is as follows:
There, got it?
+ points for thread re-hashing Civil War, that's a new one.
IIRC, we did manage to work out once that game players in Tokyo should not be referred to as Japs, Nips, or Zips.
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Originally posted by Rebel
**Edited for content**
as an ancestor to some who fought for the south, it is in incredibly bad taste to go off about a subject I"m this passionate about. If you wish to continue the civil war debate, please contact me via pm. I'm not going to dishonor my grandfathers in that kind of fashion.
sorry to all who have read what I had up here before.
Regarding the "justifications" for behaviors that are considered "in bad taste"- I simply stand by my point that I had given tactical points and situations in which they're acceptable. Didn't mean to say shoot a chute that's 15 miles from the nearest base- that's just being a jerk, for example.
i only shoot shoot if the person bailed before i even had a chance to shoot him and he wasnt even hit before aka he is a f@g and doesnt want somone to get a kill on him
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Originally posted by trigger2
Not true, as said by a WWI pilot, "It was war. We were defending our country. We had a strict code of honor: you didn't shoot down a cripple and you kept it a fair fight."
— Captain Wilfrid Reid 'Wop' May, RFC, 13 victories W.W.I.
there's a code of conduct? Gee everytime I get wounded and head for home I get some noob chasing me down in an La7.
So much for the code huh? Actually i've read many accounts and it wasn't a "code" because half pilots believed it, other half different.
one such code during ww1 was when a rear gunner was killed on a recon plane generally you would let the pilot go home, since the plane couldn't defend himself, it wasn't a worthy target. However many pilots such as Herman Goring did infact finish off the aircraft as Manfred von Richthofen once said "A victory is a victory" Richthofen was eventually shot down where as Goring wasn't.
Code can be precieved in many ways since some people believe it was their ticket to a certain knighthood back in ww1.
I however had to many times when I was hurt and trying to RTB only to get shot down by some La pissed off he got hacked 4-5 times in fair fight only to get me when im at a severe disadvantage. I.e Grant100 did it to me, my engine was out and oil on my screen tryin to land he picked me.
Worse he had 2 friendlies chase him half a sector before he seen me and dove on me.
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Oh please, of course shoot the chute....not my fault they're not smart
enough to .ef
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I've seen some silly stuff on 200 in the LWMAs of late...
One guy porks our ordnance with a Typhoon. He dives through a dozen fighters to do his porking. Under the circumstances, this was justified as his country was outnumbered by almost 50%. Anyway, he is being chased by several guys and I see his dot heading in my general direction. I spot him and chase him with my 109G-14. He's out of WEP and can't escape. He turns to maneuver as I close to 1k. He ends up getting raked by the mob chasing him for 10 minutes. He tries to maneuver, but I'm positioned perfectly and he gets a 30mm in the ear at 100 yards. He then cries on 200 about being ganged. I pointed out that he elected to fly into the mob, and may have gotten away but for my ambush. "The fate of the porker". You roll the dice...
Another fellow I have encountered a lot flies a 190D-9 and specializes in strafing ordnance as well. Over two days, I shot him down at least 7 times. The first few times, I simply positioned myself to intercept his reversal. When he persisted, I simply climbed out and waited for him.
Marveling at his inability to show even a hint of willingness or ability to fight, I stated on 200 that "if you were anymore lame, you'd need a wheelchair."
He complained that I was "picking" him. Picking? You'd have to be in a fight to be picked by a third party. He wasn't picked, he was expunged. He came once again. I was up in a Spit16 (gets to altitude pronto) and spotted him Co-alt in his Dora. He dived and attempted to run. I angled across and slid in 600 yards behind. I fired a burst, getting hits and starting a fuel leak. He made no effort to evade, other than to keep the throttle firewalled. The range remained steady at 600 yards. I was about to shoot again, but changed my mind. I pulled off and climbed towards my field, sending a and "take it home." He didn't make it though... I still got the kill.
Sometimes, it's quite amusing in the MA.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
He dived and attempted to run. I angled across and slid in 600 yards behind. I fired a burst, getting hits and starting a fuel leak. He made no effort to evade, other than to keep the throttle firewalled.
Deja vu! :lol
One of these guys ran a sector and a half and down 10kft to escape, and when I shot him down in his home base AAA with all his teammates breathing down my neck (his engine still running), his excuse was that he had too little fuel.
About half of these guys, though, just extend forever without any ACM at all except for a few floppy fishes and inverted barrels.
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Originally posted by MajIssue
I'm crazy? It was you sir that made a justification for every single form of bad behavior the occurs in AH! Or were you referring to my calling confederate Generals traitors? If so consider the following:
Most General Officers (including R.E. Lee who was number 1 in his West Point class) in the confederate Army (the lack of capitalization is intentional) had been comissioned in the United States Army proir to the "Southern Insurrection"
When comissioned all took an oath to protect and defend the United States from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic...
They then took up arms against the same country that they had sworn to protect, After an attack on a U.S. Army post in South Carolina, that took place when most were active duty U.S. Army officers!
I don't know about you but to me that is a textbook definition of a traitor.
Is the confederate Officer corps actions THAT much different that the actions of Congressional libs declaring that the war in Iraq is lost while our soldiers are fighting (and dying) there? If that doesn't give aid and comfort to the enemy (look up sedition) then what does?
I stand by my remarks.
Actually you couldnt be more wrong, this type of comment comes from a lack of understanding regarding certain aspects of U.S. history. In the end the civil war was really about the clarification of the rights of the individual states. This had been an ongoing "Debate" since the forming of the nation with many of our founding fathers clearly on the side of the individual states and others favoring broader "national" powers.
Both Lee and Jackson were Virginians first and formost and clearly viewed their primary loyalty to the state, not the union. Once Virginia left the Union it was a clear and honorable obligation for both to leave US military service. Had Virginia remained nuetral neither would have fought for the south either. The same can be said for other confederates. This was an issue that cut to the heart of what the union itself ment.
As close an anology as is possible today would be US forces serving in a United Nations action. If the U.S. withdrew from the UN (or lests say NATO) would US forces follow the presidents orders or the UN's?
At that time under those circumstances just about every major figure in the revolutionary war would have followed the choice of his state...