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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vulcan on December 02, 2007, 07:01:43 PM
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Films here: http://renaissance.xtreme.net.nz/ms/akid2.zip
Last night I happened upon akid2 in his P-51b. His warping was bad, not just bad, but attrocious to the point of making me, well, suspicious. It was just me seeing it but fellow nits and one rook (fiction) confirmed it too.
Anyhow I pm'd him, telling him he was warping, that he should relog or reconnection. No reply, so I pm'd again. Eventually a squaddie of his (joey04) piped up to say he knew about the problems, he had a slow PC, and he "didn't care". I never had a direct response from 'akid2'.
I'm really suprised someone with such a bad connection is playing, still playing, and able to play without losing connection to the server.
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Why wouldn't it be acceptable?
If you think it is bad for you, just consider that every time you see him warp, he is seeing everyone around him warp.
He might have a marginal connection, but that shouldn't exclude him from having fun (if he can stand it).
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Did you look at the films?
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I saw that as well (didn't watch the film).
However, it didn't appear at all to be timed for his advantage. It appeared that it was random; and in fact, worked to his own disadvantage nearly constantly.
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Originally posted by texasmom
I saw that as well (didn't watch the film).
However, it didn't appear at all to be timed for his advantage. It appeared that it was random; and in fact, worked to his own disadvantage nearly constantly.
I disagree, he was bombing you guys on the ground. An ostwind or m16 woulda had an impossible time tracking him. You also assume that this is what he experienced on his end, which isn't necessarily true (internet traffic is not necessarily symmetrical).
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Originally posted by Vulcan
I disagree, he was bombing you guys on the ground. An ostwind or m16 woulda had an impossible time tracking him. You also assume that this is what he experienced on his end, which isn't necessarily true (internet traffic is not necessarily symmetrical).
It took him 4+ passes on more than one sortie to kill me in an M3 due to his warping. Nobody takes 4+ passes to kill an M3... not even me. And he's a great shot already, so there's no way that was intentional.
*edit* he may be a spawn camper :p but he ain't a cable yanker :p
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Did you look at the films?
I didn't need to, but just in case there was something "special" about the way he was warping, I checked out both your films . . . and I was right, I didn't need to.
As Texasmom pointed out, there was no advantage to where or when he was warping; so even if I believed one could do that intentionally, it wasn't the case here.
So, again, why would it be unacceptable for someone to try to have some fun? He was having connection problems, which is annoying (as much to him as you, I would wager), but gives him no special advantage.
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because it wastes other players time and resources.
simple as that.
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Originally posted by JB88
because it wastes other players time and resources.
simple as that.
Kind of like every reply you make on the BBs?
:p
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Originally posted by E25280
He was having connection problems, which is annoying (as much to him as you, I would wager), but gives him no special advantage.
No according to one of his squaddies he's always like that.
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Someone with a really bad connection should get booted period.
Others fun shouldn't be compromised by someone with a crappy connection.
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I agree completely with Hondo but only so he'll continue to post. :)
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I've had warping problems from time to time due to an inconsistent cable modem connection and I can say that when it happens, the person who is warping is at an EXTREME disadvantage (unless they are timing the warps- which I have yet to witness and I think people's biases lead them to believe this happens much more often than it actually does).
For a warper, there is abosulely no way to accurrately line up a target and eventually the target makes you the target and gets behind you. While it may take a few more passes and a few more rounds, eventually you will get a window to hit a warping opponent. I know how frustrated it is when a warper gets in a lucky hit and brings you down, but he's generally gonna get the worst of it by far. I believe the only people really hurt by warpers are the very best pilots whose accurracy ratings are way up there and they'd almost always destroy the warping target anyway. But before I figured out how to erradicate my warp (which still happens on occassion if my internet connection faulters), dozens of pilots scored victories on me when I had their six for 5-10 seconds at 250 yards and didn't land a single hit. I don't know why any warper would not want to do anything in their capacity to fix the problem unless they are not very serious about the game - becuase its definately not an edge.
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Originally posted by E25280
Kind of like every reply you make on the BBs?
:p
you think you got what it takes to roll the smack with me zipcode?
:cool:
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LOL JB88
Had to reply for Ren. :D
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Originally posted by JB88
you think you got what it takes to roll the smack with me zipcode?
:cool:
:lol
pwn.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Others fun shouldn't be compromised by someone with a crappy connection.
Worked for me! I was able to dodge him & live just a little bit longer! :aok
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is his score worth a ****?
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I too have had some bad days with a lot of warp going on - mostly from my end. Now, I'm not a good stick - but when warps happen, I can't land a single shot. No matter how much I spray and pray. So basically if you encounter someone warping, feel free to PM to let them know (if your feeling kind) or just break off. You can't hit him because of warpage, same as he can't land any hits also. Anyway, just my 2 cents
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his score is awful. I would guess he's probably got PC issues that he's unable, or simply too lazy to fix.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
LOL JB88
Had to reply for Ren. :D
Thank you. It's good to see em back :)
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If you are bad warpy everytime you log on and play, it is a disservice to the ones who have to try and defend against an opponent who is never where the icon says he is. I mean if you know you are bad warpy everytime, then get your comp fixed or quit playing until you do get it fixed!:aok
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Now you ask about score? I thought score doesnt matter? The guy just wants to fly with friends instead of AI and have a little fun and now the warp-nazis want to stop it. Shutup and go back to your uber-whines. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Now you ask about score? I thought score doesnt matter? The guy just wants to fly with friends instead of AI and have a little fun and now the warp-nazis want to stop it. Shutup and go back to your uber-whines. Thank you.
If he wants to play, then fix the connection.......
or just say f everyone who is in the vicinity, it is only my enjoyment that matters!
By the way, you do know it is impossible to enjoy playing with someone who is bad warpy........right?
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if it was a warp scam, and the guy had figured out some way to take advantage of his warping, then he would have a good score. If his score is crap then it pretty much demonstrates that he is a simple dweeb with a crap connect.
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A quick post in Tech Support, and following the advice given would clean up most peopls warp issues.
I would like to think that someone with a severe warping issue would want to "fix" their connection so a more enjoyable game experience can be had by all.
And don't blame the computer. I run one of the lowest end computers of any player in the game and I do fine.
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Originally posted by Yeager
if it was a warp scam, and the guy had figured out some way to take advantage of his warping, then he would have a good score. If his score is crap then it pretty much demonstrates that he is a simple dweeb with a crap connect.
Doesn't matter what his score is or whether he is a dweeb or not, he just needs to fix "his" problem!:aok
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For last tour akid2
Fighter
0.29 kills per death
0.22 kills per sortie
kills per hour 1.98
27 hours in the air
I wouldn't get my panties tied in a knot over this one. The guy obviously likes the game enough to keep flying with crappy hardware.
The only complaint here I see is everyone complaining because you can't shoot him down, or rather it takes a little longer? Pretty weak considering , there are 4000 other players out there to go after. It's not like this guy is shooting you down.
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If i see a warpy plane i leave him alone, he'll probably hit the ground before he hits you.
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
For last tour akid2
Fighter
0.29 kills per death
0.22 kills per sortie
kills per hour 1.98
27 hours in the air
I wouldn't get my panties tied in a knot over this one. The guy obviously likes the game enough to keep flying with crappy hardware.
The only complaint here I see is everyone complaining because you can't shoot him down, or rather it takes a little longer? Pretty weak considering , there are 4000 other players out there to go after. It's not like this guy is shooting you down.
10-4 on that!
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Originally posted by MotorOil1
For last tour akid2
Fighter
0.29 kills per death
0.22 kills per sortie
kills per hour 1.98
27 hours in the air
I wouldn't get my panties tied in a knot over this one. The guy obviously likes the game enough to keep flying with crappy hardware.
The only complaint here I see is everyone complaining because you can't shoot him down, or rather it takes a little longer? Pretty weak considering , there are 4000 other players out there to go after. It's not like this guy is shooting you down.
looks like my score 10 months ago lol
glad i got some more memory and a 753kpbs conection
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The probability of this guy with the "lite bright" for a computer won't be around long enough to even gripe about,....just lead him by about 4000 meters, :D
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it has nothing to do with score.
all it takes is one kill from foul play/bad connection and someone has had their fun ruined.
I was once flying a spit8 for a few hours, i had reloaded it three times and was doing pretty good on kills.
now some guy who plays regularly was in a 109f and he warped from my nose to my tail and shot me down.
cheating or just bad lag? who cares?
the point is that i lost my pretty bag of kills in my spitfire because of the warp.
that being said, its only a game, doesnt matter much after the first minutes of annoyance.
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A warpy con getting one kill on you wont make much difference in the long run and I have come to accept that stuff like that is going to happen. Its not worth getting mad over because you cant stop it regardless of your cartoon skill so there is also no need to resort to 'warp nazi' mode either. Just call the guy out on 200 to check his connection and move on.
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well in most games where ping counts (shooters basically), kicking a warpy player is pretty standard.
as others have said, 95% of the time its easily sorted (especially with all the help available on the forums,) so theres no real reason for a persistently warpy conn.
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my only grief with warpy guys is when they give you attitude when they know they need to log or sort their connection out.
Nothing like being engaged in multi con engangement for the warper to jump in and cause problems. You cannot just ignore them because the friendlies who can't shoot normally will follow him around for much longer. This gives an unfair advantage to the side he is on.
People with old hardware or poor connections should either
a) not play
b) log off until its playable for both parties.
c) have a moderator ingame to remove them if they persist.
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i disagree Burv, stopping people from playing because of connection is a little too harsh in my view.
what needs to be done is the people warping should DO as much as possible to help the situation. If they are completely unable to help in any way and they just want to play some AH as best they can.well....its not going to be me who tells them they cannot join in.
Latrobe warps pretty badly all the time, but he cannot help it. I still have fun fights with latrobe and for him to be 'banned' from playing just because of his connection would surely be out of order.
S!
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As far as 'fun' being ruined ~ that's all relative.
If his warping plane is ruining your fun ~ that is something y'all can solve without the warper. Just move on to the next fight & continue the fun there.
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Bat im talking Twlight zone connections. The guys who should be playing Star Trek and not AH!
I don't mind the odd skip or jump i'm talking guys who take the subway through a base and come up a minute later 6k away!
Anyway you said yourself in your previous post dodgy connections, as I have just described, do annoy you.
The three options I have nailed out in my post are potential solutions to the problem.
B) is obviously the most workable one but I was on about the guys, unlike latrobe who talk back and grief who don't relog and refuse to fix THEIR issue. Thats where C) is needed ;)
Bruv
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Originally posted by texasmom
If his warping plane is ruining your fun ~ that is something y'all can solve without the warper. Just move on to the next fight & continue the fun there.
Thats just ignoring the issue TXmom :)
What if you had a guy with a dodgy connection at every base you went too and they all started multiplying so your virtual dogfights represented a slide show more than fluid movement? fun will soon disappear into frustration.
I'm not saying this is a widespread problem and needs to be fixed ASAP because it isn't that bad. Just some cases need to be looked at and monitored. Maybe a .reportlag button or something.
A mod could then find the accused see if they can replicate what others are seeing and then help that person to fix it or boot them if they dont respond in the appropriate manner.
Bruv
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This may be some kid whos parents or parent are on a fixed income. They may be paying the 15 bucks for him (or her) to play because it is cheap and it allows them to be able to keep and eye on him/her. Their neighborhood may not be a user friendly area.
Then again... maybe not.... but I won't judge him because he warps. I will let him know he is warping though.
Like a net connection issue, there are too many reasons to list here as to why he is warping or not upgrading his machine.
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It amazes me what some guys do while playing. Listen to music, have yahoo or messenger PM's running and that's before they have e-bay pages running.
Then there's the porn guys with a gazillion spy's running pinging off info to base every few seconds using their electricity to screw up their own connection resources. They probably not even aware trojans and viruses also causing problems.
It's just ignorance and mostly fixable by not having stuff run in the back ground or using Ad-aware SE free from http://www.downloads.com.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I will let him know he is warping though.
This is my point. That is all you can do as a respectful, non-warping player.
The power here lies with the problem. I've tried to PM or let the guy know he is warping on many occasions. I've given up doing this because I need to worry about killing him first and then killing his teamates.
The guys who know they are lagging badly and then talking watermelon back are the ones I want blood for!
Bruv
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