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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: DEAR98 on December 02, 2007, 08:11:23 PM
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ive been told that the D-25 is the best but Soda gave it a weak points off like a light bulb. And how much guns and ammo should you have?
please help
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Everyone has an opinion, I like "N" model --though its bigger/heavier/somewhat less nimble, (climbs like crap too) it leaves the others in the dust as long as wep holds out (5-10 min?) The better jug sticks seem to like the D40 best...try to be at half tank or less when fighting commences. MANY opinions soon to follow:) I always take every bullet I can carry, not like a few hundred pounds matters on a 7 ton plane
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It's all a matter of personal preference. Try and find a few of the guys from the 56th or the 71 RAF squads. Several good jug pilots that come to mind are RedTop, JensK, BearKats....(I know there are many others from these squads, but I'm stuck at work and can't type too much).
I prefer the D40 because of the dive flaps (great for slowing this baby down in a hurry). I've also flown the D25 because it's a little better of a turner than the D40. Of course if you take less fuel and ammo, you'll have better performance either way. IMO, the Jug should never be taken with the 6 gun option, but hey, thats me. The more ammo to shoot, the better.
Check the roster for any of those guys. I'm sure they can give you some great tips. They all fly for the Knights.
Obie
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the D-11 is the best dogfighting jug there is ;)
it's the fastest (apart from the N at WEP) and lightest, and turns a lot better than the others. keep it quiet though, no one really knows that ;)
a lot of jug pilots like the D25 though, because it's still fairly turny, but has a bubble canopy for much better visibility.
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There is no best and even the "best" P47 is not much in MA conditions. P47 model differences are small enough to make this a matter of cooler skins and cockpit layout. Even the N is not that a different beast at relevant altitudes and besides the somewhat better option of running away/down from/the opponent, I consider it the 'worst' dogfighter of the bunch. Again we are talking about minor differences.
If you want to fly the jug in a fighter role, you are not the cookie cutter, min/max type. That doesn't mean you shouldn't fully use your plane's abilities though. So:
Fuel load is the most important parameter affecting your performance. Learn to cruise with reduced RPM so you can spend most of your time fighting with less than 50% fuel and make it home on fumes. This is most important in the N which is a total pig with more than 50% on board. Just keep in mind that the N's fuel load is more than 5 fully fueled 109s. If you want to save on weight, this is the place. Much better than leaving gun and ammo behind.
The second is the WEP. Do not be tempted to spend the WEP on the climbout, unless you are far far away from the action. Without it you become a Sumo wrestler after 3 days without sleep. Loose the WEP on the N and you turned from a hot rod to a single engined transport.
Guns, oh yes. Some will swear that the weight reduction from 6 gun package and reduced ammo load will win their fights. I much rather reduce my weight by shooting that excess ammo into the enemy instead of leaving it on the ground. Just go trigger happy till the counters are down to 1000, which is the same as the smaller load. Then start to aim.
The 6 guns vs. 8 may help a little if you are a good shot. I find it is much more important to deliver a killing blow when I create the opportunity, than the contribution of the weight reduction in creating that opportunity. Usually, if you don't kill, even dumping all you guns over board will not save you.
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I was a die hard D11 fan as I found it holds the "edge" better than the other models in a knife/turn fite. Where it loses in fuel load out. What I have found with a little experimenting is that the D40 is just as capable and carries alot more fuel. I believe the paddle prop gives it an edge in climb also.
Balsy
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Just my preference for what it's worth; The D-25.
The D-11 is lghter and turns better, the D-40 carries more ord. The D-25 is the perfect all around Jug.
8 x .50 cals. Never leave home without them.
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I take the D-11 for dogfighting, N for hitting targets, and D-25 and D-40 for if theres a chance I'll have to do both.
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well ok i thought there was a start ford anser but thank you
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Do not be tempted to spend the WEP on the climbout, unless you are far far away from the action. Without it you become a Sumo wrestler after 3 days without sleep. Loose the WEP on the N and you turned from a hot rod to a single engined transport.
LOL I like that
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D25 , d11 , N , D40...
Take your pick and be prepared to ALWAYS be one of the FIRST to get engaged.....seems like people REALLY think the JUGS are easy kills. I LOVE to fly it. Its a challenge and can be with out a doubt some of the BEST fun you can have with your clothes on in a flight sim:lol
When you get it low and slow...flaps up , down , up , down down up , throttle choppin , full blast firewalled , yanking and stall fighting....it is a FRIKIN HOOT.
Have fun...be prepared to get shot alot...and no matter what....don't give up on it.
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Originally posted by RedTop
D25 , d11 , N , D40...
Take your pick and be prepared to ALWAYS be one of the FIRST to get engaged.....seems like people REALLY think the JUGS are easy kills. I LOVE to fly it. Its a challenge and can be with out a doubt some of the BEST fun you can have with your clothes on in a flight sim:lol
When you get it low and slow...flaps up , down , up , down down up , throttle choppin , full blast firewalled , yanking and stall fighting....it is a FRIKIN HOOT.
Have fun...be prepared to get shot alot...and no matter what....don't give up on it.
Fellow Rooks know me better as 'bait'...I don't get many kills, but at least my countrymen do:lol
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Originally posted by bj229r
Fellow Rooks know me better as 'bait'...I don't get many kills, but at least my countrymen do:lol
Me and you both brudda!!!!!!!!!!
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I personally like the D11 best for dogfighting. It handles really well and seems to improve as your fuel load lightens up.
Thing 56th FG
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Don't know much about the dog fighting aspects of jugs, I personally like the d40. The cool thing is it carries almost as much ordinance as a small bomber, so you can take out a vh and still have an egg to bomb a gv. In the right hands I am sure this plane is a very capable fighter. ( And 8 50s are sooooo Awesome)
Wasn't it BJ229 who said " I know what your thinking punk!, did I fire 3,399 rounds or was did I fire 3,400 rounds."
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Originally posted by Getback
Don't know much about the dog fighting aspects of jugs, I personally like the d40. The cool thing is it carries almost as much ordinance as a small bomber, so you can take out a vh and still have an egg to bomb a gv. In the right hands I am sure this plane is a very capable fighter. ( And 8 50s are sooooo Awesome)
Wasn't it BJ229 who said " I know what your thinking punk!, did I fire 3,399 rounds or was did I fire 3,400 rounds."
I kill myself:rofl
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The best pure fighter p47 is the N...It is a no-holds WEP machine..A close second is the D40.
If the d11 had more drop tanks it would be holy terror and be the best of the lot.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
If the d11 had a paddle blade prop it would be holy terror and be the best of the lot.
There. corrected.
If it was over boosted to 72" it would be nice too :)
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Originally posted by bozon
There. corrected.
If it was over boosted to 72" it would be nice too :)
Bingo... the d11 although fast... climbs like....well... a jug.
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All the jugs , bottom line, are fun planes. Maybe it just takes sort of a sadistic sort to fly it tho.
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Originally posted by RedTop
All the jugs , bottom line, are fun planes. Maybe it just takes sort of a sadistic sort to fly it tho.
Yup... I seem to remember a certain Spit driver that flipped to the darkside.
:D
Balsy
Once you go JUG you'll never go back...
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Amen to that!! :aok
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The D-40 takes a bit more fuel, and has a few more options- I use it when I have to travel a ways- always use the wing tanks, and take 50% of fuel. Once you shake off the tanks you're ready to rock.
The D-11 on the other hand- I prefer to take up fully loaded. Full tank plus a drop tank. On the average distance, I'll burn through the drop tank climbing to altitude. 100% throttle to good speed at alt, then cut back the RPM's and the throttle to save the gas.
The N....well....if you have to cross the entire map (or you're going buff hunting)- this is your plane. Fully loaded, I think it can stay up for over 2 hours. I'm still undecided on it as a dogfighter because it's WEP *really* helps in a zoom.
Like, outclimb the Spixteen that just came out of a turn zoom. Flop over the top, come down with 8 guns. boom. :D
One variant I'd love to see is the D-15. Razorback, paddle-prop, and wing racks for bombs/fuel. :cool:
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OOOO!! Bring on the D-15 as well as the M!
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Originally posted by VonKost
OOOO!! Bring on the D-15 as well as the M!
The M would be a perkable monster of a hot-rod. That thing was wicked fast. As I remember they even took off the wing racks to make it faster. Just centerline ord.
Hell yes, bring it on. :D
The D-15 would be very cool, though.
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Well maybe perk the M except to the 56th FG :D :D
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nice ;)
Even the mighty 56th had problems iwth 'em, and remember they never crossed the channel- they were primarily used as an anti-buzzbomb weapon. One of the few planes that could run it down.
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They used them a lot, but not until really late when they had the bugs knocked out of them. They had some major teething problems if I remember right.
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Yup- mostly related to the engine and the throttle control. After they got 'em all figured out and squared away, they did the buzz bomb work.
I forget the max speed but it was something outrageous like over 450, is that right?
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http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/comp-p47dmn.jpg
473 at alt.
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p47_12.html
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hell YES! Look at that climb rate! Max speed is pretty damn respectable down low as well!
Wonder what the acceleration on that bad boy would've been when you slapped in the WEP. Musta been awesome.
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Originally posted by Balsy
Yup... I seem to remember a certain Spit driver that flipped to the darkside.
:D
Balsy
Once you go JUG you'll never go back...
:lol yeah....I'm giving the ole spit a few rides this tour...jealous witch was getting ticked setting in the hangar.....and the Jug...she knows I'll be back in her lovin arms again SOON.:lol
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I've been flying the Jug (mostly the d-40) this tour and I've found it to be a pretty capable fighter. Like many of the American rides, it seems to be a multi purpose bird. When you design a plane to do many things, it is capable of filling all the roles competently but doesn't excel in any one area. The strengths of the p-47 are its gun package, high altitude performance, it's dive ability, and overall versatility.
Gun package.
I've read many places that the six gun option makes the plane a better pure fighter. I tend to both agree and disagree with this assessment. If you have some down time one day I suggest you grab a D-11 with the 8 gun load out. Take off and establish a good climb. As you climb out, rock the wings several times and get a feel for the weight of everything. Also watch the rate of climb. When you're done, go back to the hangar and try the 6 gun load out and do the same thing. With the lighter gun package, you will notice that the plane feels light and climbs better. It's very noticeable. With either package, always take the full ammo load. Too many bullets is always better than too few.
High alt performance
The P-47 only gets better with altitude (especially the N model). The higher you go the more of a threat you become to anything flying. Unfortunately, in the MA, you won't encounter many fights in the thin air. The good thing is the Thunderbolt is a wicked bomber killer. So if you feel like climbing to the nose bleed section, bring 8 guns and plenty of gas for hunting.
Dive ability
Nothing will out dive a Jug. When you push that big heavy nose over, it dives like a meteor and remains controllable up to the speed of sound.
Overall versatility
The ord loads available to the Jug are awesome. It's perfect for leveling bases, can almost single handedly destroy a town, or just wreak havoc to GVs.
All this being said this is the way I roll my jug...
I stick almost exclusively to the D-40.
As a fighter.
I load the 8 gun package because, I feel, the gains from leaving the extra guns in the hangar don't override the snap shot ability of the extra two guns in the wings. When I get down and dirty in a fight with another fighter, I feel that I have to be able to put them down fast if I get the shot. When you get in a turn war in a Jug, you only have a few turns before you get bled of enough E for just about any plane to be able to gain your six. Use the flaps sparingly unless you get really slow. Then don't be afraid to get leave them down. You can use the Jugs tendency to "wallow" to your advantage by making many planes overshoot. Even when you are both slow you can still make them overshoot. I will not hesitate to stay in 1 v 1 fight even after I get slow. When there are multiple cons around I do my best to keep my speed up because the P-47 does draw a crowd and many people like to pounce you thinking that it's an easy kill. Which it most certainly is when there are 6 cons beating on your back door spraying at the big T-Bolt. I also try to keep fighting down hill (if I can), because it dives really well and keeping the nose down and keeping it's speed up (sort of) evens the turning ability when compared to other fighters. Give yourself an out when in multiple con engagements. Set yourself a low limit (like 3k) and when you reach that limit. Dive out of the engagement and come back with more E.
As a Hunter (bomber killer).
Top off the tanks. Grab the drop tanks. Set convergence further out and to a single point. Climb to 20k+. Dive on bombers from high angles and shred them to pieces.
In the attack role.
I load ord based on what I plan to accomplish.
My standard ord package is 2 1000lb bombs 10 rockets and a drop tank. When I bring this package to a base I either target one hangar or ammo bunkers and Ack. I rarely kill radar anymore because I like the bad guys to know where I'm at. It's easier for me to find fights (or for them to find me) that way.
When I plan to level a town, I swap the drop tank in the above package for the extra 500lb bomb. With all that ord and the 8 .50s I can level a town pretty much by myself.
For GV killing, I load 3 500bls bombs and the 10 rockets. I save the rockets for light armor and use the eggs for the heavy armor.
P.S. Those were some fun Jug fights last night RedTop.
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Yes they were....some of the best in a good while. Your write up is spot on as well.
If your ever Knights...look me up...we'll do some winging if ya want to.
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Nice write up, dude!
The cool thing about the Jugs we have here is they all have their uses.
I'd *really* encourage you to take up the D-11 with a 50% gas and drop tank option, and head to a fight a sector away.
Come in between 12 and 17K, play your cards right, and you're unstoppable. Niki's, Typhoons, Zekes, 190's, Runstangs- they're all your *****. Doesn't matter. If you dive right where you need to, they'll never see it coming.
Also- turning is something I try not to do. In the Jug, the best weapon I've found to use is the Lag Pursuit Roll. That is just DEADLY against spitfires and other fast turners.
Ah well. rambling. back to work! :cool:
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P-47 best plane in game..... i consider myself good in the P-47, but, probably the BEST P-47 pilot i have ever seen is Jensk, this guy will freakin mow down spitfires like there parked on the runway
- BigBOBCH
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I see some of you mentioning that different models of the P-47 had a paddle prop. I'm aware of this being a historical fact, but how do you know that it is as such in the game? Is there information on this somewhere on Hitech's website? Or is it that you are certain that those planes are modeled as they were in reality? Just curious.
Personally, I have had some success in the D11 as well as the D25 and D40.
I have not flown the N model very much but I have deduced that it doesn't seem to handle as well as the earlier models and is not worth very much when WEP runs out.
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maybe im wrong but someone told me one of them has dive flaps, is this true? if so which one?
oh and i mainly fly the n model or if eny is to high the d40
i use the n in jabo because the extra engine power really helps when your carrying tons of fuel ammo and bombs.
i like the d11 as a fighter and the d40 in both roles never flew the d25 (i think thats the one with the flaps)
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Originally posted by goober69
maybe im wrong but someone told me one of them has dive flaps, is this true? if so which one?
oh and i mainly fly the n model or if eny is to high the d40
i use the n in jabo because the extra engine power really helps when your carrying tons of fuel ammo and bombs.
i like the d11 as a fighter and the d40 in both roles never flew the d25 (i think thats the one with the flaps)
D40 has dive flaps..."N" only has extra engine power if you have wep on, otherwise its same as D40 with a couple thousand pounds more weight to lug about---load them with similar amounts of fuel + full ord loadout, and see what default climb rate gets you (I dont think "N" NEEDS dive flaps, larger wing/fuselage seems to allow the plane to reach absurd speeds in dive before it starts compressing)
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Originally posted by RedGiant
I see some of you mentioning that different models of the P-47 had a paddle prop. I'm aware of this being a historical fact, but how do you know that it is as such in the game? Is there information on this somewhere on Hitech's website? Or is it that you are certain that those planes are modeled as they were in reality? Just curious.
Aces High seems to be modeled on how planes came "out of the factory"- as such only certain models got the paddle blade prop.
The first -47 model to get the paddle blade was the P-47D-15. It's virtually identical to the D-11, but it got wing racks added as well. What Aces High DOESN'T include is that the D-11's in service were all retrofitted with the new prop mere months after it's introduction. Shame, really- the D-11 would benefit a great deal from a hydrodynamic paddle blade.
Personally, I have had some success in the D11 as well as the D25 and D40.
I have not flown the N model very much but I have deduced that it doesn't seem to handle as well as the earlier models and is not worth very much when WEP runs out. [/B]
The N model is a very tricky beast to fly- I generally only use it for Bomber hunting or ground pounding when I have to cross half the damn map to get there. It's an awesome plane- but without that WEP, she goes from being Marion Jones to a 500 pound Fatkin's client with asthma.
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I am a recent convert to flying the jug. I was in an extremely long slump, nearly 2 months. Out of sheer frustration I jumped into a jug one day and landed 5 kills. "Knowing" this was just luck I upped again. Landed 4. Maybe there is somethign to this monstrosity after all.
Now I love the jug. You just have to fly smart with it and avoid getting stuck without altitude to run away with. I fly the D-40 the most and occasionally all of the others.