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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlueJ1 on December 03, 2007, 01:47:49 PM
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I dont understand the blue bdu's. Are we supposed to blend in with a giant aircraft carrier in the middles of the ocean surrounded by dozens of support vessels... :lol Oh well. Atleast utilities, the worst uniform ever, is gone.
The changes this year:
* Basic allowance. Male sailors E-6 and below will get $464.40 this year, an increase of $190.80 over last fiscal year. Women will get $475.20, a jump of $194.40.
* Standard allowance. Men E-6 and below will get $662.40 this year, an increase of $270. Women will get $680.40, $277.20 more than last year.
* Standard for chiefs. The allowance for male chief petty officers will be $871.20, a jump of $226.80. Female CPOs will get $939.60, $269.92 more than last year.
Navy Times Article (http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/12/navy_clothing_071202w/)
Heres a picture of our new uniforms. Uniforms leaving the Navy are utilities, working blues (johnny cashes), working whites, and the old dress whites.
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x226/BlueJ17/navy-uniform-webimage.jpg)
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From what I understand, working whites were the hardest to maintain, yet got more men laid then any other military uniform ever.
If I was in the navy, I'd be pissed if they were getting rid of them.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
I dont understand the blue bdu's. Are we supposed to blend in with a giant aircraft carrier in the middles of the ocean surrounded by dozens of support vessels...
It's all about stealth technology these days, and stealth starts with the sailor.
It's roughest for the pilots who need to land on the piece of ocean that's heaving the least, that's the stealth carrier. Well, until they install the holographic wave projectors.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
From what I understand, working whites were the hardest to maintain, yet got more men laid then any other military uniform ever.
If I was in the navy, I'd be pissed if they were getting rid of them. [/QUOTE
They were my favorite. Hard to maintain is correct. Those and the dress whites. The ladies like them. Dress blues get a better reaction tho, tighter pants and alittle more impressive.
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bleh... the new uni's certainly don't scream "NAVY!" like the old ones did. I'll miss the old ones, 'specially the working blues. Are they getting rid of boondockers too?
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(http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/505891_villagepeople_200x200.jpg)
Go Navy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCDJE0Yx50)
Will you get to keep the cute hats?
:rofl
Mac
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Navy now subdivision of smaller Marine Corps instead of other way around. News at 11.
(Actually look kinda cool, heh.)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Navy now subdivision of smaller Marine Corps instead of other way around. News at 11.
(Actually look kinda cool, heh.)
And Marines are pissed to high heaven about it. The fact our uniforms will look like theirs. Boy we love to piss the marines off, its so much fun.
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I liked the utilities. I also like the whites (Cracker Jacks). We never wore the whites for working, only special occasions.
The new style uniforms look really ulgy.
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Originally posted by Swager
I liked the utilities. I also like the whites (Cracker Jacks). We never wore the whites for working, only special occasions.
The new style uniforms look really ulgy.
Dress blues were the "Cracker Jacks." Just sayin'. But I'm a bit of a "traditionalist," myself. Gotta admit, though, my opinion of this new trend isn't as harsh as yours. These wartime "blue camos" and deviant "Charlies" are quite novel. I imagine they'll pass, with time. *ShruG*
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The new dress whites have black piping on the flap and the wrists, the opposite of the dress blues.
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Here's an interesting little tidbit about the new Navy uniforms. A Master Chief I know was part of the design team for those uniforms. Guess where they got the color pattern for the BDU's from???
The US Navy's Colors and Codings manual. For those that don't know, that is the manual that tells you what color to paint your ship and everything on it. The primary colors of the uniform are also the most common colors used to pain the ships. Anyone see where this is going????? You spill paint on your uniform, you don't get a new one because the paint is supposed to blend in. Sailors in the past were spending a fortune on uniforms due to spilled paint that would trash them. Now......well it's all the same color so no big deal.
I got all this straight from the Master Chief.:rofl
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Master Chief?!
*Runs and hides in the crowd of other Airmen*
But, that figures. Atleast by spending our money we will save it in the long run. Good thing I dont paint the aircraft tho. :D
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Yeah Bob retired last year but his last command was at the personel forces command at Norfolk and he was on the design and evaluation team for the new uniforms. I shoot pool with him every Thursday night at the local bar. Really a cool guy.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
From what I understand, working whites were the hardest to maintain, yet got more men laid then any other military uniform ever.
If I was in the navy, I'd be pissed if they were getting rid of them.
I was under the the impression that the ladies prefer men in blue.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Here's an interesting little tidbit about the new Navy uniforms. A Master Chief I know was part of the design team for those uniforms. Guess where they got the color pattern for the BDU's from???
The US Navy's Colors and Codings manual. For those that don't know, that is the manual that tells you what color to paint your ship and everything on it. The primary colors of the uniform are also the most common colors used to pain the ships. Anyone see where this is going????? You spill paint on your uniform, you don't get a new one because the paint is supposed to blend in. Sailors in the past were spending a fortune on uniforms due to spilled paint that would trash them. Now......well it's all the same color so no big deal.
I got all this straight from the Master Chief.:rofl
Sea story!
But word. Last thing I want to do on a CV underway is blend in with my surroundings. ;)
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Still a bunch of squids:aok
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More stupidity... They look like jarhead uniforms
tall boots are gonna cause drownings too... hard to get those off fast
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
More stupidity... They look like jarhead uniforms
I was thinking the same exact thing.
Why would the Navy adopt the uniforms of the Marines?
Then again I dont "get" digital camoflage either other then trying to make a high tech fashion statement
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We've been told at a lot of passdowns by our CO recently that the Navy is merging a lot of its rates. We were told the Navy is adopting many of the Marines ways to simplify ourselves. Uniforms is just another step.
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What next?
A Sailor with an entrenching tool?
:rofl
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
What next?
A Sailor with an entrenching tool?
:rofl
Mac
Thats what Marines are for.
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gotta see that in use:rofl
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Thats what Marines are for.
You mean Sairines? Marlors?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Sea story!
But word. Last thing I want to do on a CV underway is blend in with my surroundings. ;)
I was thinking the same thing ~ so much for the color-coded uniforms designating specific duties ~ they'll all blend into the background instead!
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Ok the whole blending into the carrier thing was an exaggeration. We wear bright colored shirts on the flight deck. Each color depending on our rates. Im sure most of yall already knew that.
Instead we will blend in with the destroyers and other ships.
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I can picture a chitload of Sailors running and bumping into each other during General Quarters.
:rofl
Mac
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:rofl
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Instead we will blend in with the destroyers and other ships.
and this is to deceive the enemy?
:huh
Mac
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Red shirts are expendible. Just like in Star Trek. I used to love telling an AO buddy of mine who served on the Enterprise that. ;)
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Originally posted by AWMac
and this is to deceive the enemy?
:huh
Mac
Apparently. We make the ship blend in with the sky and water.
1MC- All hands muster on the main deck. Missile inbound port side. Operation human body shield.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Red shirts are expendible. Just like in Star Trek. I used to love telling an AO buddy of mine who served on the Enterprise that. ;)
LOL ~ nice :lol
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Originally posted by Arlo
Sea story!
But word. Last thing I want to do on a CV underway is blend in with my surroundings. ;)
Actually there was also an artical in the Navy Times confirming this story about a year or so a go. If im not mistaken it was on the front page.
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Well .... some of the best sea stories are true. Somewhat. :D
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I always wondered why they all didnt dress in day glo orange so if they went down it would be easier to find them.
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I know the dress whites are (were) a longstanding tradition, but it's good to see them go.
68ROX
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Well it could be worse. I remember the uniform change in the 1970s. The Zumwalt change that went from the traditional to the combination cap, the suit style. The navy spent millions de-Zumwalting.
As far as the BDU. On board ship, particularly on the flight deck. Army/marine green trousers where always quite common as they wore much better than the navy dungaree.
There are many navy units that are not sea intensive. In 20 years of active duty I ended up with 1 year 20 days sea time. And 8 months of that was on my first tour.
To me it looks like the navy got it right this time. A common uniform that wears better and is easy to take care of.
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True story.
Panama, 2005. I was taking part in the annual PANAMAX exercises. The first 3 days or so is a run-up to the actually execution of the exercises. Myself and another 2nd Class are assigned to the MCPON (Mastercheif Petty Officer of the Navy, the navy's most-senior enlisted person) when he gets here. We are to get his baggage and make sure he and his entourage find their taxi's and get to thier hotel rooms asap. The other 2nd Class and I are a little excited to be able to meet the MCPON as this isn't something that happens to a typical enlisted person. Off the plane he has 2-1st Classes wearing the prototype BDU's and work uniforms. We approach them and let them know we are the escorts for them. Without batting an eye they tell us that the MCPON is off-limits, do not attempt to talk to him, do not attempt to get his attention, in fact, don't even look at him. My fellow 2nd Class looks at me with a curious look, I return it. The MCPON is too busy on his cell-phone to pay attention to what is going on.
So we gather his luggage, the MCPON's party goes elsewhere for an interview or some such nonesense, and the 2nd Class I'm with gathers up the luggage and we head off to the taxi stand. In a fit of brilliant evil we decide that since the MCPON is a diva, we'll put his bags in a taxi going to the other side of the city (Panama City) and let him find out where the **** his **** went. We later found out he was pissed beyond measure. My friend and I couldn't have been more happy with our efforts.
My reserve contract ended this past september. I'm glad I won't have to deal with these new uni's.
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Whites did suk. But they looked good. Every inspection; New dixie cup(hat) Tshirt. New white uniform, new ribbons and shoes every year or maybe two years at the most.
As far as wearing the uniform; Rose festival Portland Ore. Those who have been there know what I mean. :aok
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Arlo, I had a set of blue and white cracker jacks. Maybe the white ones were not called CJs? I really liked that uniform for E-6 and below. I always got comments on it.
The Navy seems to be getting rid of alot of tradition lately. Be a sailor in the 70s and 80s, I dont think I would be a good fit in todays Navy. Hell, they still feel the need to name submarines after things besides aquatic creatures.
I still think the new uniform has a lot to be desired. Just nasty! :)
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Just a thought here.. but could this be the start of the military starting to rotate navy soldiers into non combat ground support on a limited basis?
As our military gets smaller I wouldn't put it out of the realm that they might consider rotating both Navy and Air Force personal into some non combat support positions at ground bases from time to time.
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Sailors have already been rotating into combat. The SK's now are being combat trained right with the HM's who have always had a combat training requirement.
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And here I was thinking the dungarees I wore looked like hell.
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Originally posted by Swager
Arlo, I had a set of blue and white cracker jacks. Maybe the white ones were not called CJs? I really liked that uniform for E-6 and below. I always got comments on it.
The Navy seems to be getting rid of alot of tradition lately. Be a sailor in the 70s and 80s, I dont think I would be a good fit in todays Navy. Hell, they still feel the need to name submarines after things besides aquatic creatures.
I still think the new uniform has a lot to be desired. Just nasty! :)
The reason they started to name the 688 and beyond classes was purely political.
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Originally posted by Swager
Arlo, I had a set of blue and white cracker jacks. Maybe the white ones were not called CJs?
Exactly. :)
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Originally posted by AWMac
(http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/505891_villagepeople_200x200.jpg)
Go Navy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCDJE0Yx50)
Will you get to keep the cute hats?
:rofl
Mac
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Sailors have already been rotating into combat. The SK's now are being combat trained right with the HM's who have always had a combat training requirement.
I'll second that.
Also, my squadron have a little over 450 sailors in it including officers. Over 40 are IA right now. (Individual Augmentation- Volunteer or Voluntold to go play Army in combat zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan) Mind you these rates are all aviation rates such as Aviation Electricians, Aviation Mechanics, and so on. They are trained in the U.S. for a few weeks for combat then sent off to be a security guard on a installation such as a base or oil platform or convoy duty. numbers of IA's are growing slowly with each month. And the numbers required to be voluntold each month increases.