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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: VonKost on December 04, 2007, 12:20:39 PM
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Good day Gentleman
I have been playing for a few months on and off and really enjoy the game. The question I wish to know the answer for is thus: What needs to happen in the game or to the program to make large scale bombing raids viable? It seems that people remember when these took place, but the game is no longer conducive to such things. A protracted bombing campaign would seem like a great event for us all to be a part of. I realize that people enjoy upping in thier favorite ride and getting into a fight directly, but I can't help but wonder what a more mission and planning based game would be like.
is there anything that can be done to spur on such a collaboration of players? I know the 56th and I would be happy to fly escort or even form up as part of a bomb group. Is there a regular night for such events where bomb squads operate?
Just musing away my lunch hour.
Von
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you just have to make missions then get others to join.
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Von I have 2 relatives who are going to school...so until May I really can't use my VOX while they are doing serious work....... I'll be happy to lead some bomber mission at that time ..pretty much play a bit every night myself.
999000
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I can rustle up a good bomber run every now and then.:cool:
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And most of the time where you find a thndregg bomber run you'll find 5 or 6 members of the Lynchmob Squads. Its fun to see 50 plus planes in the sky!:aok
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I was just thinking along those lines today. The trouble with MA missions, is that many of the people want a payoff. They need to see the base captured for it to have been worth it.
The people you need to target are those that want to fly large hi alt buff raids, that dont need to capture, simply go on a mission to bomb something. Then you need to find the types who enjoy keeping those guys alive. Lastly you need people who like to kill bombers and their escort. The target itself is simply the stage.
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Originally posted by thndregg
I can rustle up a good bomber run every now and then.:cool:
Now and then???You are too modest my friend! ThndrEgg's BIG buff missions are legendary in BishLand. Also, some squads do large scale buff runs. Falcon23 likes the NOE missions with his Rolling Thunder gang and our squad (False Prophets) like to do high altitude buff missions with 6-10 buff "boxes". [just to name a few buff lovers on the Bish side] I'm sure the other countries have squads that do the same... The more the merrier, so if you like sustained bomber runs feel free to look us up on the Bish side... You're always welcome:)
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I was just thinking along those lines today. The trouble with MA missions, is that many of the people want a payoff. They need to see the base captured for it to have been worth it.
The people you need to target are those that want to fly large hi alt buff raids, that dont need to capture, simply go on a mission to bomb something. Then you need to find the types who enjoy keeping those guys alive. Lastly you need people who like to kill bombers and their escort. The target itself is simply the stage.
YES! the mission itself is the goal! I wish the game would reward in spades the bombers who put ordnance on target. For the historically minded, the means are the end if you take my meaning.
I contend and will always contend that a planned and executed historic mission profiles are much more suspensful, exciting, rewarding and in the end fun than upping for the nearest furball. Those furballs are so much more meaningful if they are a result of the mission instead of the mission.
Von
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VonKost, if you're into realistic high altitude, long range (ie 8th AF stylye) missions. We'd love to have you along as an escort! We are very much old school in that trying to fly realistically and staying alive comes before winning the "game" (I'm not knocking those who are more into the game aspect of AH vs the historical aspect, to each his own).
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Speaking of bomber missions,
to the Rooks that went after our B17 group 30K up last night. Was a lot of fun.:aok
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Originally posted by thndregg
Speaking of bomber missions, to the Rooks that went after our B17 group 30K up last night. Was a lot of fun.:aok
I have to say the 262 is a pig at that altutude. That and my crappy aim last night saved your B17 - I was trying to ho ya and completely missed :D
Some of that other B17 drivers hadn't that much luck though ;)
for another fine buff run!
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Ah-ha! That was your guns I heard while I was peeking through the bombsight! :D
Lusche!
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Thanks for all the kind worda of advice! I'll definitly keep my eye out for you folks! I joined up on a bomber raid last night and it was great fun. I think we hit 138 with lancs and ponies. well, With one Thunderbolt along for the ride anyway. Please feel free to send me the word of any missions online and I'll come help out!
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Originally posted by Lusche
I have to say the 262 is a pig at that altutude. That and my crappy aim last night saved your B17 - I was trying to ho ya and completely missed :D
Some of that other B17 drivers hadn't that much luck though ;)
for another fine buff run!
I was OK on that mission until I decended to land... A 262 (yours???) killed my drones but not before I smoked a F4U that came at my 6... BAD mistake. Flying EGGs 30K B17 Mission was the highlight of Titanic Tuesday (for me at least)!!:aok
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How about you set up an environment where missions have spawn points. For bombers the spawnpoints could be at historically correct bombing altitudes. AI bombers could fill in the rest of the bomber boxes if there weren't enough pilots.
The defensive flights would also have spawnpoints.
This whole setup should take about, I'm guessing now, two weeks?
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Originally posted by DaYooper
For bombers the spawnpoints could be at historically correct bombing altitudes.
Although it can be a pain in the a** waiting all that time to get alt to bomb a target, my take is that anything can still happen between take-off and level-off. Trust me, it (or sh**) has happened between just those two points, such as missions being intercepted early. I'd rather take opportunities like that and kill the interceptors who were observant enough to spot us- they are doing thier job after all as well.
To spawn at historically correct altitudes to me is quite gamey, and subject to possible air-spawn campers especially in highly contested areas. No thanks.
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Originally posted by Lusche
I have to say the 262 is a pig at that altutude. That and my crappy aim last night saved your B17 - I was trying to ho ya and completely missed :D
Some of that other B17 drivers hadn't that much luck though ;)
for another fine buff run!
30k is only 4.5k short of being max alt for a 262... im supprised u could keep up with the 17s up there to shoot them.
i think we need a good HQ model, or strat that criples countries... It was always fun defending HQ raids because it was so important, now i generally just up a goon with supplies instead......
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Tonight was the Knits turn to gett bombed in LWO. You guys were persistent in chasing us back home. Out of four formations of B17's and one escort, FlaydONE's and mine were the only ones to survive intact. Flayd landed three kills, and I landed six.
Knights. That was some intense fighting at 19K!
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Originally posted by thndregg
Tonight was the Knits turn to gett bombed in LWO. You guys were persistent in chasing us back home. Out of four formations of B17's and one escort, FlaydONE's and mine were the only ones to survive intact. Flayd landed three kills, and I landed six.
Knights. That was some intense fighting at 19K!
This was a lot of fun. I was flying escort in a P51D and I counted 14 cons chasing the buffs at one point. After mixing it up with an F4U4 I found myself flying about 4K under them all as they chased the buffs. Even as I climbed back up through the red cloud the cons were so fixated on the buffs I managed to get a couple of them as they flew straight and level.
Fun mission Egg. 201st Thundereggs.
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To make bombing raids viable, you simply need targets. Targets that are worth hitting as well so defenders would make an effort to defend. Both would put more bombers in the air.
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As a general rule the 71st doesnt do bombers all to often....
However it just might be that you'll see 90+ of em sometime soon...
The broom is up and a 71st sweep is in the works. From what I understand at least one will be a buff run. Last sweep had roughly 60 of "us"...so you could see 120+ buffs plus escort.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I was just thinking along those lines today. The trouble with MA missions, is that many of the people want a payoff. They need to see the base captured for it to have been worth it.
The people you need to target are those that want to fly large hi alt buff raids, that dont need to capture, simply go on a mission to bomb something. Then you need to find the types who enjoy keeping those guys alive. Lastly you need people who like to kill bombers and their escort. The target itself is simply the stage.
Personally I love the high bombing runs. The climbout (please no spawn points) gives me time to go afk for food, drink, ect. Then the setup and release from at least 20k, and getting to watch through the sight to see if ya hit what ya want. All before the "enemy" gets to climb up to you. I also personally see the map as the target. I don't place much value on "score", more likely to help other pilots with their 1 on many situations.
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Anyone can make a beginning regardless of their country. Find a tall base. Do your math: after a bit you can calculate alt and time from the runway to 20 to 30K.
Also, for fun, take a Lanc with the six 1,000 lbers; or with the 500's and lose the 4K bomb. Check your rate of climb.
I ran afternoon and late morning buff runs in Bishlandia frequently when I last played. Always found some folks who wanted to learn how to bomb and were patient. Rarely the kids. But young adults and older, yes. It's fun to help folks improve.
Last Thunder Egg mission I recall vividly was the HQ raid with something like 15 to 25 pilots @ 30K. Oh, the JU88 run I recall too. We needed 5K more on that one :P
Always fun. Always worth joining.