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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499547&in_page_id=1770
Hospital staff told to make sure Muslim patients' beds face Mecca five times a day
By GWYNETH REES - More by this author »
Last updated at 15:18pm on 4th December 2007
The job of the nurse used to one of caring for the sick and needy.
But not - it would seem - in today's politically-correct Britain.
Now, nurses are being encouraged to spend valuable time turning around the beds of Muslim patients up to five times a day - so they can face Mecca.
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Hospital staff in West Yorkshire must make sure Muslim patients' beds face in the direction of Mecca, in Saudi Arabia
In a bid to promote cultural understanding, they are also expected to provide patients with running water so they can wash before prayer.
And then, of course, they are required to turn the beds back around to return the wards to normality. The measures are being pursued by Mid Yorkshire NHS Trust to ensure Muslim patients have a "more comfortable stay in hospital".
Hundreds of staff have attended tax-payer-funded workshops with Muslim GPs and ethnic-minority support groups on how best to help patients.
During these meetings, nurses have been told that if a patient asks for water to bathe in, or for their bed to be turned to face Mecca, then this should be considered.
If the measure is deemed "practically possible" and does not impinge on other patients, then it should be carried out.
And if it is not practical, nurses are encouraged to find them a bed that faces Mecca permanently.
But an experienced nurse at Dewsbury and District Hospital in Yorkshire where the ideas are being tested, has blasted the scheme.
She said: "It would be easier to create Muslim-only wards with every bed facing Mecca than deal with this.
"We have a huge Muslim population in Dewsbury and if we are having to turn dozens of beds to face Mecca five times a day, plus provide running water before and after prayers, it is bound to impact on the essential medical service we are supposed to be providing.
"Although the beds are designed to be moved, the bays are not really suitable for having loads of beds moving around to face a different direction and, despite our best efforts, it does cause disruption for non-Muslim patients."
Conservative MP David Davies also criticised the idea, saying: "Hospitals should be concentrating on stopping the spread of infections than kowtowing to the politically-correct brigade."
The workshops - led by the hospital's chief matron Catherine Briggs - looked at Muslims' religious concerns over being in hospital.
A key part of Islamic faith is praying five times a day to Mecca, Saudi Arabia - revered as the birthplace of the prophet Mohammed.
Muslims are also meant to wash themselves in running water prior to prayer.
Although staff said they would do everything possible to help patients fulfil these obligations, a request by Muslim women to be seen by female-only doctors was not guaranteed.
The scheme comes just a year after some NHS hospitals introduced Burka-style gowns for Muslim patients who did not want to show their face during operations.
Yesterday, a spokeswoman for Mid Yorkshire NHS Trust confirmed that nurses were encouraged to help meet individual requests.
She said: "Nurses have not been ordered to move beds or provide running water - they have just been encouraged to help meet patients' needs wherever possible.
"If a sick patient requests that their bed be moved to face Mecca, then it is right that the hospital looks at this request - even if it is more than once a day.
"If it is practically possible - and is not inappropriate or inconvenient to nurses or other patients - then it is right that nurses try and carry it out.
"We can also try and move the patient to a bed that faces Mecca permanently."
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You're kidding right?
No, I guess that's just silly enough for the PC bandwagon.
Anybody remember what it was like to be a Human Being anymore? Any more of this damn programming and I'll start crapping vacuum tubes!:mad:
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Update:
OK, discovered that the actual directive here is that when a Muslim patient is dying his bed is to face Mecca. And since dying patients are usually moved to private rooms this kinda thing wont exactly disrupt a ward.
Anti-PC feeling of hostility is dropping......
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Don't let a little thing like fact get in the way of a good lynching son!
Tronsky
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That does sound more reasonable.
I could imagine it now if the tried to bring in a regulation like that first scenario here in Oz...
Our hospitals think they are understaffed now:lol
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How about a seperate Muslim yard where the beds just face Mecca?
Or surrender, and have all beds face Mecca?
Or be crafty and lie that the bed is facing Mecca.
Or be very crafty and install a magnet so that a compass will confirm the above.
Or be evil and install a rotating bed so that the bed will face Mecca 1000 times a day :t
Or being more evil and mixing pork into the hospital soup :t
Anyway, I really think this is waaaayyy to far. If this is the case, all Muslims should pay extra.
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The irony here is this: Something like this would probably fly here in the US.
However if a patient asked for a Christian crucifix to be hung on a wall, me thinks the ACLU would pounce in a heartbeat.
The world is so obsessed with being Muslim-politically correct. Its pathetic.
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Tell them mecca has been relocated. It is now at the center of the Earth. They can then then be buried facing mecca as well.
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I wonder if anybody would notice if the beds were pointed to face Las Vegas.
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At first I thought "why not just build the damned hospital pointing towards mecca" then I thought "why not just point the entire damned Island towards mecca"......Thats where the poor damned Brits are headed anyway.
One wonders if Americans are going to have to go back over there and save England again?
God save the Queen :rolleyes:
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When ya coming?
I'll get the red carpet ready and some beer in the cooler......
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Maybe America is going to save England when England has been fighting the extremists for some time, while selling old arms to England on the terms of loans, gold cash, blueprints colonies and acess to documents, and when the extremists feel lucky they declare war on the USA, and then the USA can go and save England, who happens to have warm beer :t
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you have beer coolers?
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Well nowwwww, doesn't that make your naughty parts tingle. So, then I guess if a member of some Satanic cult is hospitalized, they get what their religion demands? Like candles, pentacle on the floor, Altar, Blood sacrifice. "Bring in the Goat Martha!":t
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Originally posted by john9001
you have beer coolers?
Iceland doesn't need beer coolers. They just leave it outside.
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*phone ringing at U.N. Headquarters*
"Hello, London calling...."
*U.N. Recorded message* "If this is an emergency please hang up and dial 1- 800 - AMERICA"
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by Maverick
Iceland doesn't need beer coolers. They just leave it outside.
Actually, I leave the beer in the entrance which is uninsulated, but in later years, normally frost-free.
Nice and cold.
In the summer, it's the cooler though.
Cheers :D
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Since we live on a sphere, aren't there at least 4 directions to Mecca?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Since we live on a sphere, aren't there at least 4 directions to Mecca?
not if your world is flat.
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2/10
just because he came back with an update that made him less infuriated.
bunch of bigots
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The guys dying in bed right? So just point his bed south and leave it there. Its not like he has other things to do in and about the hospital. Hes bed-ridden. End of issue.
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Bigots my pink hairy butt!
The whole point is that PC has taken off like a runaway locomotive. We as a collective cannot indulge in the Human condition without some poodlefaking PC nazi getting upset about it.
Don't you miss what it was like to be a "real" man or woman back in the '80's (I know a large part of this audience was not even born back then) when you were free to indulge your senses and express yourself the way you saw fit?
When I was at uni and this whole PC thing started to fly people thought it was a joke, even a flyer of soon to be prohibited words was circulated as a joke.
Guess what, all of them are now on the "list" of words we now should avoid using lest we offend some thin skinned neo-android of the new millennium. Bah.
Bring back the real men and women of the world. We are Human beings the lot of us, if we cannot laugh at our own condition then we as a society are doomed!
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not that i care two s...s about Muslims, but whole thing sounds rather hypocritical. Do you guys object to man dressed in black robe running around a hospital whenever Catholic is dying ? I doubt it..
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Interesting thing about Mozilla spellcheck. It says "muslim" is incorrect when spelled lower case, "catholic" is ok however. Ain't that some PC ?
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Give him a teddy tell him its mohamad and cause a masive uprising.
Political correctness is a joke.
What ever country you are in you should blend in with them not keep shoving your different faiths in there faces..
religion is the main cause for all the crap in the world along with greed and power
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Religion, greed, arrogance & ignorance...make one heck of a mix....but without power they're just one sort of daily nuicance....
get my point?
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Originally posted by fd ski
Interesting thing about Mozilla spellcheck. It says "muslim" is incorrect when spelled lower case, "catholic" is ok however. Ain't that some PC ?
catholic means universal
Catholic is a religion.
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Originally posted by fd ski
not that i care two s...s about Muslims, but whole thing sounds rather hypocritical. Do you guys object to man dressed in black robe running around a hospital whenever Catholic is dying ? I doubt it..
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Interesting thing about Mozilla spellcheck. It says "muslim" is incorrect when spelled lower case, "catholic" is ok however. Ain't that some PC ?
Just a point of clarification. The Catholic priest doesn't require the sevices of the nurses to reposition ALL of the Catholic patients beds for religious purposes as well as running water at the patients bedside, again for religious purposes 5 times a day as opposed to medical treatment purposes.
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Originally posted by Yeager
....then I thought "why not just point the entire damned Island towards mecca"......
That'll never happen, the Poles will never allow it...
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Damn... haven't any of you been in the hospital for a stay?
I broke my leg and was there for 14 days... The staff re-oriented the room to make me comfortable in whatever way I wanted.... I wanted to be able to look out and see the ocean.... I got what I wanted.
You crazed extremist, racist haters...was that hospital being too PC cuz my love is the ocean? Grow up and accept that people are different and should be TREATED like people.
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I'm willing to bet they didn't reorient your bed 5 times a day either.
Tell me were you in a private room or one with 5 or more beds in it?
The situation you are describing and the possible scenario that was put forth are very different.
I don't consider myself to be racist, but I fail to see the benefit in pandering to the every whim of any minority group who plays the damned PC card.
Seriously guess who gets the bulk of government sponsored benefits? Sure as heck wouldn't be us if we needed them because we aren't indigenous nor are we a member of a displaced minority (refugees, immigrants etc.).
By playing to the bleeding hearts and the do gooders who want to absolve their own guilty vices we have effectively made the majority of the population second class citizens.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Since we live on a sphere, aren't there at least 4 directions to Mecca?
If they align their heads along the great circle route (shortest distance) to Mecca, there are 2 directions to Mecca, the one is the direction their head is pointing to, and the other is where their arse is pointing (the latter distance is only the longer way if they don't make a terrible mistake) :)
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Do the hospitals in Indonesia, Malaysia do this for their patients?
At least not in Malaysia, and the Indonesian's are far more relaxed than the Malaysians, in that regard. (Some Malaysain MP's want Christian schools to remove the crosses and statues, so they dont turn their Muslim students into apostates, fortunately the Government,99% Muslim, said no)
This PC crap is getting out of hand.
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the solution is to make a big hospital on the exact polar opposite of the world from mecca and send them all there.
no argumanet as to which way they face then.
;)
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Damn... haven't any of you been in the hospital for a stay?
I broke my leg and was there for 14 days... The staff re-oriented the room to make me comfortable in whatever way I wanted.... I wanted to be able to look out and see the ocean.... I got what I wanted.
You crazed extremist, racist haters...was that hospital being too PC cuz my love is the ocean? Grow up and accept that people are different and should be TREATED like people.
Welp, last year I almost died and spent about 12 weeks out of 6 months in the
hospital. I managed to survive the entire stay without making any extra
demands on the hard working medical staff who spend very long hours at
average salary to make sure I heal.
Strangely enough, all my nurses and doctors LOVED me because they knew I
would only ask for something if I could not do it myself. They're not lazy, they
just have tremendous work loads...and oddly enough are people too.
It didn't cost me anything to be pleasant to the people who were trying to
help me. Must have worked..I got 2 phone numbers and I wasn't even
trying. :D
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Damn... haven't any of you been in the hospital for a stay?
I broke my leg and was there for 14 days... The staff re-oriented the room to make me comfortable in whatever way I wanted.... I wanted to be able to look out and see the ocean.... I got what I wanted.
You crazed extremist, racist haters...was that hospital being too PC cuz my love is the ocean? Grow up and accept that people are different and should be TREATED like people.
You pay for your health care privately, most of the muzzers in the UK are illegal immigrants who contribute nothing to the economy apart from bombing **** every now and then. Leave his bed where it is im sure theres more important things to be doing than moving furnature around!
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Damn... haven't any of you been in the hospital for a stay?
I broke my leg and was there for 14 days... The staff re-oriented the room to make me comfortable in whatever way I wanted.... I wanted to be able to look out and see the ocean.... I got what I wanted.
You crazed extremist, racist haters...was that hospital being too PC cuz my love is the ocean? Grow up and accept that people are different and should be TREATED like people.
If I was your doctor that leg would have had to have come off, so whatever way your bed was facing would be the least of your worries. I miss the 1800s :(
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You all think the hospital bed thing is bad. Go read what else is going on with these muslims in England.
Wake up your Brits! Wake Up World!
Why in the name of God we deal with PC and the garbage that comes along with it??
Canada is being hit with similar situations and slowly the USA is becoming that way. You all remember how the muslim taxi drivers in Minnesota demanded foot baths because of their faith?
This is just the beginning.
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....most of the muzzers in the UK are illegal immigrants who contribute nothing to the economy apart from bombing **** every now and then.
Apart from actually running the NHS as doctors and nurses... yes of course they are all illegal immigrant terrorists.
Are you our BNP representative, by any chance?
And why pull up a three month old thread?
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Why are threads like this always caused by Daily Mail stories? Why does anyone think they will get the facts from the Mail, rather than a story based on facts?
Getting your news from the Daily Mail is rather like learning history from Hollywood. You end up with a distorted view of the world.
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Because some people find that such a distorted view is a perfect fit to their own?
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The Brits fcsk'ed themselves ever since they let the government take 'dangerous weapons' out of peaceful law abiding citizens hands. Since then, violent crime has been on a steady increase, but that is another topic. He[[ I bet they will outlaw sneezing next as that would be a biologic attack.
England, wake up! PC cr@p will not appease anybody. Nevil Chamberlain, found this out the hard way, there is no appeasement. Do your best to accommodate, but there is a line into rediculousness that you cannot cross.
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PC Britain strike again......you wont believe this.
Would you be against it when someone, not capable to move himself, wants to attend a service kept in hospital chapel and needs a nurse to escort ?
Of course you would; same standars are used for everyone... right ?
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What the hell kind of hospitals does Britain have that the rooms dont already have running water in them?
Secondly. If that area does indeed have such a large muslim population.
Its wold only make sense to have muslim wards
The only real PCness I see are those ofthe complaints here.
Used to be a long time ago each community would do things according to their individual demogrphic needs.
Example. Highland Park NJ.
While still Heavily populated by Jews.
It used to be pretty much a Jewish community.
On Saturdays cept for the police stationThe entire town would shut down.
You literally couldnt find a store open anywhere. Even gas stations would be closed. Didnt matter if they were Jewish owned or not.
And thats just the way it was. Everyone understood that. And nobody complained
As the demographics changed. So did the town.
Seems to me. Only to make sense that as the demographics change in that area. That area would also change to meet those changes.
Seems to me the only PCness is of those complaining.
Think about it. We complain of PCness when a town isnt allowed to put up X-mas decorations.
Now we're complaining when a portion of the population wants their religeon respected.
A better solution yet would be simply to Build a muslim oreinted hospital.
just like we have Christain oriented Hospitals.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
A better solution yet would be simply to Build a muslim oreinted hospital.
just like we have Christain oriented Hospitals.
Of course the "Christian oriented hospitals" were built by Christian organizations as I'm sure you know. If the Muslims want to build a hospital that will be overrun by illegal aliens here I'm all for it.