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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1redrum on December 05, 2007, 03:06:59 PM
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how about a jeep w/ M20 75mm Recoilless rifle mounted shouldn't be hard the jeep model is already there
ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL DATA 75 MM RECOILLESS RIFLE, M20
Length..................6 ft. 10 in.
Weight..................114.5 lbs.
Rifling.................Unifo rm, right hand, 1 turn in 25
Breech..................Inter rupted screw
Range...................7000 yards (HEAT round)
Muzzle Velocity.........1000 ft./sec. (HEAT round)
Projectile Weight.......3.19 lbs. (HEAT, shaped charge)
Armor penetration.......4 inches
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that would own a new gun that could take out a tiger with one shot to the rear or on the sides
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yes a true tank killer but very vulnerable to even the lightest machine gun rounds
it used the same mount as the .30cal so it would give us a new vehicle /version w/out too much work
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how much ammo could this thing carry?
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The development of an US. recoilless rifle started in 1940, when Germany put weapons of this type into action. In the end of 1943 two calibres emerged, 57mm and 75mm. After some live fire exercises in September 1944 at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, an order of 1000 weapons of each type were placed. ~100 Kcls reach the European battlefields in mid March 1945 - just before the German surrender. Instead the weapon proved it self on the Okinawan and Iwo-Jima campaigns.
how many 3.19lbs rounds can a jeep carry , could add the trailer , for playability in the game i wouldn't give it too many rounds
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this does sound like a nice idea, and simple too (but im no judge of that)
one thing: surely the M8 sort of dominates this role, as it is quite capable at zooming around Tigers etc, and sometimes killing them. Also, it has much better armour than the Jeep
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30 rounds would be enough! At a bit over 3 lbs each thats still less than than 100 lbs or the weight of a person. With a Driver/loader and a gunner you could have an interesting vehicle. Just to be on the safe side perk it lightly at a couple perks for the cannon.
Would make an interesting vehicle for finishing up towns, killing osti's, etc.
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the greyhound has a 37mm gun and is a early war design, we are talking about a 75mm gun w/1944 design ammo
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it would need more than a couple perks .... i'd think around the cost of a tiger would be better
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how would u figure that when a guy with a .45 cal can take it out /i dont think the little willys jeep got even close to the armor of a tiger tank :rofl
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what are you saying a guy with a .45 can take out?
if the gun you're proposing is that powerful, has a 7000 yard range etc surely it should be perked, especially when it can be used on so fast a vehicle
otherwise you'll probably be getting noobs in jeep with a 75mm charging a tiger attack at 60mph and killing the tanks at point blank range
i'd be more than crazy enough to try that
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The jeep makes a distinctive racket closing in. Since I usually drive in the pintle position I'd be hammering the jeeps as they get close so you'd be best picking me off at range.:aok
The pintle usually kills a jeep in a couple of short bursts
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my point exactly if you couldn't defend yourself against a unarmored threat u deserve a trip to the tower
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by the time most GVers managed to get their guns pointed in the right direction to kill the jeep, it probably would have moved on or killed them with its 75mm
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I like the idea. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Yossarian
by the time most GVers managed to get their guns pointed in the right direction to kill the jeep, it probably would have moved on or killed them with its 75mm
You seem to have little experience with the speed the T34 turret traverses.
Lets not forget that you'll also be shooting from a very unstable platform if you're moving.
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Jeep_Man/sasjeep.htm
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all u need is a pinnacle gun to kill a jeep , the recoilless rifle is a line of sight weapon , i would like to see the guy that could fire that gun from that tippy jeep w/an extra 130 or so pounds setting in a very high center of gravity , i think you are just scared of what you don't understand , a mild perk like the firefly would be in order
i do like the SAS variant too can we have both HT? :aok
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Anyone with a link / pic showing this was ever actually done as a "standard" vehicle for front line use?
Generally, "field modifications" are not included in AH.
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Originally posted by E25280
Generally, "field modifications" are not included in AH.
Isn't the B25C with the strafer nose a field mod? What is the Firefly considered technically? I'm assuming the 17 pounder was not fitted in the USA where the tanks were made. Were all those extra guns fitted to the PTs from the factory as well? I'm thinking the unwritten "no field mods rule" applies mainly to one time or rare field mods and not ones that were common and saw service in numbers.
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Originally posted by TUXC
Isn't the B25C with the strafer nose a field mod? What is the Firefly considered technically? I'm assuming the 17 pounder was not fitted in the USA where the tanks were made. Were all those extra guns fitted to the PTs from the factory as well? I'm thinking the unwritten "no field mods rule" applies mainly to one time or rare field mods and not ones that were common and saw service in numbers.
I should have said "one-off or experimental" field modifications. Others have pointed out where certain aircraft had experimental weapon configurations (gondolas and the like) that were never put into production / operational use.
The B-25 "field modifications" were so successful they were put into service and became "standard" configurations for several air units. The Firefly was modified in British factories IIRC, and again they became a standard issue item in Brit tank brigades. So, these are different than, say, wanting a Sherman with sandbags for augmented armor or a "bat bomb" that never saw service.
I fully admit I could be picking nits and/or remembering the rules incorrectly.
In the case of the jeep with the 75mm recoiless rifle -- I don't know, maybe there were such vehicles, or maybe the poster likes HUMMWVs with TOW missiles, and thinks there should be an equivalent in AH. If there were such vehicles, it would be nice to learn more about them. If someone is just saying "wouldn't it be cool if . . ." then I would have to say the request in all likelihood will never happen.
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As a result of rapid advances in armor technology during WWII, infantry units and other lightly armed units were extremely vulnerable to armor attack. This spawned a demand for a weapon light enough to be carried by infantry units but powerful enough to be effective against armor at medium ranges. In 1943 the Ordnance Department Small Arms Division began development of the recoilless rifle. In 1944, the first pilot models of the 75MM recoilless rifle were being tested. In March of 1945, full production began and guns were delivered to the European as well as the Pacific theatre. The advantage of recoilless guns lies in their light weight and relatively high performance. Their light weight characteristic descends from the absence of a recoil when the weapon is fired. By design, the breach expels propellant gasses rearward thereby balancing the forces caused by the projectile accelerating out of the gun tube. This eliminates the need for heavy gun mounts which are a significant part of the weight of a typical artillery piece. A jeep or weapons carrier can easily carry the M20 recoilless rife using the standard M1917A1 .30 caliber machine gun tripod mount.
See U.S. Infantry Weapons of WWII by Bruce Canfield for more detailed information on recoilless guns.
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Not sure how to read that. The M20 used the same tripod mount as the .30 calibler machine gun. A tripod mount is set on the ground to be fired. The gun could be easily carried in a jeep as opposed to towed weapons of similar caliber.
To me it does NOT mean it was mounted on the jeep itself or fired from the jeep -- but it is worded in such a way that I suppose that is up for interpretation.
I've been doing a little searching myself, and can find pics and references to recoilless rifles being mounted on jeeps in Korea and after, but nothing on whether they were actually used that way in WWII. And my limited attention span . . .
Oh, look, something shiney!
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Here's a pic :)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sarahjeanb/121374339_e49a6993b8.jpg)
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And if that's not exciting enough for you... there was a Vespa scooter that mad one mounted on it as well!
http://modern-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_bazooka_vespa_in_combat
:huh
SYSTEM: LTARget landed 175 kills in a Vespa TAP of L.T.A.R. :rofl
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(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sarahjeanb/acmatap564.jpg)
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LOL that is the one and only scooter In the whole world that I want
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Originally posted by SD67
Here's a pic :)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sarahjeanb/121374339_e49a6993b8.jpg)
I found the same picture here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stones55/121374339/). Unfortunately, the caption says it was taken in Heilbronn, Germany, some time between 1951 and 1953 . . .
The earliest reference I was able to find the other night showed French forces with a jeep mounted 75mm RCL, but it was dated 1947. :(
I think I read (could be faulty memory) the M20 only saw combat in Okinawa. If anyone can find a pic of a Jeep mounted M20 with a pagoda in the background dated 1945, we'll have a winner.
Very cool pic, though. :aok
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Originally posted by SD67
And if that's not exciting enough for you... there was a Vespa scooter that mad one mounted on it as well!
http://modern-war.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_bazooka_vespa_in_combat
:huh
SYSTEM: LTARget landed 175 kills in a Vespa TAP of L.T.A.R. :rofl
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SD67
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sarahjeanb/acmatap564.jpg)
Oh, GOD! A must have, just for sheer comedic value. LTAR's would love that thing. They would change the engine noise to "Ride of the Valkyries", hell I would too.
I can see it now, country channel filling up with something like this
"LTAR mission going to A-XX!!!"
"How do you know it is the LTARs?"
"Cause they are on those darn Vespas again, and they have ride of the valkyries blaring.":rofl :rofl :rofl