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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on December 07, 2007, 04:04:40 AM
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A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
"vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
If he really said such thing, he isn't one. ;)
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I had this yesterday, a guy was flaming country channel losing it big time called hydrolik. Calling everyone names etc etc I told him to hush and I get the "suck my **** noob!" line charming!
Then raider was having all sorts of fun on 200 calling out every person that killed him a noob.
All this garbage coming from no skill nooblets themselves!
I say young uns. Learn some respect for others and then maybe you will get some respect back.
Until we get perma squelch we will have to carry on suffering.
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squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
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it's a pleasure to fly without 200 tuned.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
This about sums it up.
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Yep, Raider but even moreso Hydrolik makes more noise than he should.
The thing with loud mouthes is that anyone who knows better just ignores them or squelches them, in effect giving the impression to any outsider that they're tolerant or supportive of that crap.
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This is not only on 200, everything happening on this channel is up to you as you have the choice to tune on it or not! in my opinion asking something on 200 is not the proper channel to do so.
But when a noob is asking something on country channel, let's say more relevant than "how do I start my engine", I guess that the answering "go to the help page you noobie!!" is not the way and the example to show to new players.
This game doesn't belong to the vets, they have no more rights than others in this game. If they have a problem with the young generation, maybe they should get a life and quit.
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
I think the general atmosphere is helpful for new people. I answer up to questions on the help and other channels as much as time allows. I don't think I've ever seen anyone berate a new person for asking reasonable questions. The Alt + F4 answer is tedious, though.
However, I have seen some new people berate players for not answering their barrage of questions framed in a demanding way. Some even become irate when, after asking 5 or 6 elementary questions about the game, I offer up some resources for them to look at. They could have found almost all the answers in less time than it took for them to type out the questions, but demand answers because they "don't have time" to spend 10 minutes reading.
I don't think asking someone to read the help or faq after a barrage of demands for help is "pontificating."
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detune channel 200, you;ll live a longer healthier life.
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When a new guys asks questions (yep, even stupid ones) I try to answer.......the Alt - F4 answer is way old but makes me chuckle (even as I tell whoever said it their naughty lol) - not seen anyone who doesn't try to help - but can see how it gets annoying. I try not to rag on the new guys (not been here long myself) and will always try to help/support etc - until they start flaming.
Depending on how they react to the flaming - I'll support and encourage them - or flat out ignore them until things have calmed down.
Everyone was a noob at some time - we should (to an extent) try and help them - this game has a steep enough learning curve to get to average, let alone good.
my 2p worth,
Wurzel
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I've had channel 200 detuned for months now. I don't miss it.
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Originally posted by manurin
But when a noob is asking something on country channel, let's say more relevant than "how do I start my engine", I guess that the answering "go to the help page you noobie!!" is not the way and the example to show to new players.
This game doesn't belong to the vets, they have no more rights than others in this game. If they have a problem with the young generation, maybe they should get a life and quit.
No, the "vets" don't own the game. However, they also don't have a responsibility to babysit new players that can't be bothered with reading the basic instructions for the game. This doesn't excuse rude behavior. At the same time, the new players that refuse to help themselves, often, don't seem to understand that they are (for lack of a better word) intruding upon the playing time of other paying customers.
Frankly, it would be nice is 1st timers could be more readily directed to the TA and help files.
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
Most of the seasoned vets won't mind answering a few questions. When it becomes apparent that the guy asking the questions can't be bothered to spend 15 minutes reading over basic help info, he'll probably get flamed.
What I find bemusing is the fact that often, the first ones to flame are the same noobs that were asking the questions 2-3 months ago. :huh
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Sad to say, but I've seen more and more of this from some of the newer players that call themselves "vets" of this game.
I can understand the frustration of explaining some of the basic questions that are repeatedly asked (and the occassional Alt + F4 answers) but I see no reason why the newer player has to be degraded.
If you can't offer some helpful suggestions, (not directing this at anyone in particular), move along. It's very easy to tell somebody to read the help files or go to Netaces.org
I believe that its the resonsibility of the true "vets" to speak up and put some of these flaming squeekers in their place. Not to bash them, but a simple "Knock it off....xxx. You were new too once!"
Just my .02 cents.
Obie
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I've been playing from 07-11-2003 and lately have been trying to spend time on the help channel. I'm quite patient and even answer the not so intelligent "how do I start my engine?" question but I think one of the biggest annoyances for me may not totally be the new guys fault, good chance it is but I can always hope.. It's the fact that they log on expecting to be able to fly like an ace with a mouse and keyboard.
I know there are guys in the game that somehow manage to fly this way and given that mouse and key board are the usuall way most PC games are played now days but I think especially for a new guy it's really a poor way to be introduced to Aces High..
I have had a few guys tell me they give up on AH after trying to get off the ground using a mouse. Then I'm left trying to help keep a possible new community member by quickly elplaining that they would have a much better experiance with a stick and not to give up on the game so fast.
I don't know if it would help but on the front page it might be nice to revise the system requierments to say something more along the lines of mouse supported but for best experiance Joystick recomended... Or some such.
I know that this won't help some kids because they will just see the new shiny game and jump right in without even reading the system requierments and still others that will still think this is some form of standard first person shooter thinking that a mouse will be fine..
Well any way it's just my idea for a small improvement to things. It may not help but its worth a shot :)
And about these new "VETS" :rofl
I know there are guys that have been playing longer than I have but for me I think real AH vets should at least remeber the good old days of AH1 :) Though I think there are guys that have never played AH1 but have the class of most of the long time vets.
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
Tell me this isn't normal.
It isn't normal.
No excuses for acting like an ignorant d*** head when asked a civil, well intended question. It's a form of bullying imo.
Regards from one ex-warbirdy to another.
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Good questions get answers...... in my book. All others I refer to the help pages otherwise your constantly explaining how to do simple tasks that are spelled out in one quick reference.
No one should berate new folks though unless they demand help or keep asking pointless questions. It's pretty much a fact that lazy folks won't add a thing to our community.
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hydrolik is not even a vet so problem solved :aok
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Originally posted by Bruv119
I had this yesterday, a guy was flaming country channel losing it big time called hydrolik. Calling everyone names etc etc I told him to hush and I get the "suck my **** noob!" line charming!
HYDROLIK is a complete moron idiot! :aok
Oh, and btw, SkyRock<------owns HYDROLIK easily!
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
No, the "vets" don't own the game. However, they also don't have a responsibility to babysit new players that can't be bothered with reading the basic instructions for the game. This doesn't excuse rude behavior. At the same time, the new players that refuse to help themselves, often, don't seem to understand that they are (for lack of a better word) intruding upon the playing time of other paying customers.
Frankly, it would be nice is 1st timers could be more readily directed to the TA and help files.
:aok
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Forget 200....
Help Noobs, and I do not mean "hey noob, go to TA".
How hard is it to answer a question or two?
Sure, it a noob is a total question box, answer a few then recommend TA, but often times there are no trainers there, just people who want training.
I've been in this game for years (and Air Warrior mucho years prior) and learn something new every day.
I see it all the time..."where do I drop troops?"..."how slow to drop torpedoes?"...."what key to turn on engine?"..."do I HAVE to have a joystick?"
Sure, we can all pipe up and slap the noob around, but how hard is it to answer...."on the town"...."less than 200"...."E"....."no, but it certainly helps".
I doubt we'll all get carpel tunnel helping noobs.
We were ALL noobs once.
68ROX
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If it is an honest question from a new guy (I was one once), I answer then tell them that the help page on the website can answer many questions and that the training arena in also a good resource for those that don't like to get tooled on every sortie. I try to guide them a little so they onn't end up another cmustard or raider
If it is an idiototic/disrespectful request or a mindless rant then... Squelch all the squeekers... let Skuzzy sort 'em out!:lol
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Originally posted by MajIssue
. I try to guide them a little so they onn't end up another cmustard or raider, or like myself!
:aok
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
I know, I hate that chit. We lost a squad-mate once, because she stood up for someone that was getting yelled at. He didn't really know what he was doing and after that this guy got on the public radio and vox and went on and on and on. We might even be talking about the same person. We all started out sometime and getting *****ed at for every mistake isn't the way to welcome new members to the AH community.
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
It's only normal for the ****heads. Chances are, the guy in question is a noob or kid himself.
Now, if the noob was ignoring repeated answers, or refusing to ask for a trainer, read the help files, etc, or was being disruptive or rude himself, then he should expect poor treatment in return. I have seen this many times, especially with so many children playing these days. Help and information are always available to those who are genuinely looking for it.
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Forget 200....
Help Noobs, and I do not mean "hey noob, go to TA".
How hard is it to answer a question or two?
Sure, it a noob is a total question box, answer a few then recommend TA, but often times there are no trainers there, just people who want training.
I've been in this game for years (and Air Warrior mucho years prior) and learn something new every day.
I see it all the time..."where do I drop troops?"..."how slow to drop torpedoes?"...."what key to turn on engine?"..."do I HAVE to have a joystick?"
Sure, we can all pipe up and slap the noob around, but how hard is it to answer...."on the town"...."less than 200"...."E"....."no, but it certainly helps".
I doubt we'll all get carpel tunnel helping noobs.
We were ALL noobs once.
68ROX
I read the help pages and only asked a couple of clarifications.............
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Originally posted by Flayed1
It's the fact that they log on expecting to be able to fly like an ace with a mouse and keyboard.
I know there are guys in the game that somehow manage to fly this way and given that mouse and key board are the usuall way most PC games are played now days but I think especially for a new guy it's really a poor way to be introduced to Aces High..
I have had a few guys tell me they give up on AH after trying to get off the ground using a mouse. Then I'm left trying to help keep a possible new community member by quickly elplaining that they would have a much better experiance with a stick and not to give up on the game so fast.
I am a "NOOB" to AH and trying to make due with the mouse and keyboard until the funds come around to get the controls. My best advise for "noobs" using the mouse and keyboard and trying to learn that way, as I am, is to not even get in an arena setting unless it is the training area. I just try to learn offline so #1 I dont get in anyone's way and #2 I am not constantly getting my a** shot off!!!
I cant wait til Wed to get the stick and throttle...LOOK OUT "VETS" HERE COMES THE NOOB!!!!!!!!!! J/K
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Being an A** to someone who is being an A** themselves is A-ok. Being an A**hole for any other reason, is just flat uncivilized. New players BASIC questions should be answered politely with a recommendation to study and readup outside of the MA. Beyond that, they really are on their own. In the middle of a sortie is not the time to be discussing more than basic concepts. After 6 tours and much improvement, I have found that the offline practice, and offline study (yes I said study) is extremely important if you have any intention of picking up this game's learning curve.
Oink
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Ok, so it was hydrolik! Sounds like he has a reputation for this kind of buffonary. I'm glad to hear he's just a bad apple. I can understand why people squelch him, but would his behavior change if every time he acted like a jerk he was met with a chorus of reprisals on the country channel?
P.S. Many of you assumed that this happened on 200, but I said explicitly that it was on the country channel.
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I don't mind helping anyone that has a question as long as they appear to have made an effort to learn the game a bit before playing it. "How do I start the engine?" is not a question I will answer because this person obviously hasn't done ANY reading or training. Is it really that hard to READ a little before you play? sheeeeeesh!
I don't have a problem with questions such as "how high do I have to be to drop troops?" or "How do I drop bombs through a sight with accuracy?"
Typical of many people these days.(the majority of which seem to be the younger crowd) They just want it explained to them or handed to them like a child and refuse to put any effort into it themselves. Heck, I played offline for a week before I even entered the MA and when I finally did I spent my first few days "flying" nowhere near a fight. I also had a reference sheet from netaces.org printed out so I knew what all the commands where. (as most will easily find if they *cough* READ. I also learned alot by just reading the country text and following obvious "vets" around quietly and watching how they played.
Just a little effort is all I'd ask for:aok
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It's stupid elitism that has bled over from other games.
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Originally posted by ded
It's stupid elitism that has bled over from other games.
Good point, I think. Add to that, it's quite a shock to the "kiddies" when they discover just how steep the learning curve really is here.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
:aok
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEK:rofl
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Just my thoughts on this subjet... :cool:
IMHO this is just the result of Poor Toilet Training on the part of those that choose to verbally slap those around that dont know or understand something.
Shooting your mouth off at somebody that does not know how to do something or doesnt understand how something works in this game is a reflection of the stupidity, ignorance and arrogance of those doing it. It does nothing to help those that are asking for help. If it is disturbing to you that somebody asks a question in a MA then answer the question and their pleas will cease.
My advice to those that are either new or perhaps dont know something and ask in game about it is to ignore those that vomit on you verbally. Pay attention to those that take a few seconds and try to answer your question. These are the players that will make your time in game more fun and you can really learn from them because they are willing to share what they know.
Later,
KayBay
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
Tell me this isn't normal.
Yup, completely normal. We have normal people playing this game (at least a few...)(although, come to think of it, I'm the only truly normal person I've ever met...) so we're stuck with normal problems.
Think of the new players like little kids. Very inexperienced and full of questions. Not usually aware of the proper places to find answers on their own, and find it easier to ask an adult. Some of the questions are "good" and insightful, others are stupid and annoying. These guys need a lot of information, and hopefully have sponge-like brains.
We also have adults playing this game ("vets" is the accepted term, although I chaff a bit when the term is applied to me. My grandfathyer was a vet- I'm not...). As adults, we're expected to have all the answers, and to supply them readily. We have the choice to give out good answers or to distort things as our feeble old minds dictate. Hopefully in the end we do more good than harm. The beauty of being seen as an adult, is that even if we don't know our *** from our elbow, we're still seen by the young'uns as "all wise and knowing". I've trained my own kids to realize that I am ALWAYS right, even when mom may erroneously appear "more right".
We also have the middle group playing this game. The "adolescents". Like teens, some are further along on the path to adulthood. Regardless, all are desperate to be grouped in the "adult" or at least "young adult" category. They're still a bit clumsy though, and you need to be a bit careful when following their advice. They're trying to impress the adults by displaying their knowledge (adultness), but aren't quite ready to leave the safety of their position amongst the young'uns, so need to temper tehir transition to adulthood with a few "Alt-tabs".
In AH, the transition from Newb to Vet can be very quick. Or a never ending quest.
The difference between AH and RL is that AH is a constant halloween party, with everyone in disguise. You have to pick out the age groups on your own, without the benefit of size-differential.
Welcome to the game!
MtnMan
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Originally posted by thndregg
Good point, I think. Add to that, it's quite a shock to the "kiddies" when they discover just how steep the learning curve really is here.
It's not so much the steepness of the curve that's the issue.
It's the fact that the grade is made of polished sheet metal, and they make us wear greased felt-soled shoes on our otherwise naked bodies. They then have the gall to line the grade with razor blades, thumbtacks, roofing nails, small jagged rocks, a bit of foul-smelling slime, and exposed high-voltage wires.
It's truly sick! We're not payed enough to do this!
MtnMan
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
hydrolik isn't a "vet". I checked back...granted only a few months... and this is his 3rd month here. Most likely he was mouthing off because he didn't know the answers the newbi was asking and he was embarrassed :D
In most cases its "kids" doing this mouthing off. Its the only place they can, because in real life should one talk like that they would get the crap kicked out of them.
I think when this stuff starts happening in the arenas, someone should request everyone squelch this guy on the channel, then everyone ignore them. Yelling back just turns them on, ignoring them will really tweak them off :t
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Radier73 was just flat frikin rude to a squaddie of mine today....when called to the =mat about ithis answer was "I hate new names so Im rude to them" . Something to that effect.....I was filming a fflight at the time....
This is total B.S..
Personally I don't mind answring questions....lending a hand where I can.....If I don't feel like hearing a bunch of it I squelch it.
Certain people....(yes I know detune 200) need to learn manners....civility...and being a contributing member in a good way...instead of being a contributing member of the "I;ll be a dik to all " club.
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras
A little while ago I witnessed a new player getting chewed out on the country channel for asking some questions about base capture. One guy was so offended that he took it upon himself to pontificate about reading the manual online, and kept going and going... with a final quip to the likes of "vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
Strangely enough, hardly anyone objected to this behavior.
Tell me this isn't normal. Years back I played WB 1.x and 2.x, and new players were usually welcomed because of the new life they brought to the game (we also liked to shoot them down).:lol
i dont think u relize, when noobs come in and ask questions every 5 seconds and u r in a dog fight and they spam the chat it gets kinda anoying.... which is y i say GO TO THE TA, i think all new ppl must go to TA for atleast 1 day b4 going into any other arenas
-BigBOBCH
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Originally posted by Anaxogoras quoting the open channel
"vets like me shouldn't have to suffer these noobs."
A game "Vet" is not just based on time in game.
It is not just level of skill.
It is not just depth of knowledge.
It is attitude, and a combination of all the above.
I have a word to describe the person who said that, and it's not "Vet".
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Only thing noobs need to know is to hit Alt +f4 the make the plane fly easier.
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Originally posted by redman555
i dont think u relize, when noobs come in and ask questions every 5 seconds and u r in a dog fight and they spam the chat it gets kinda anoying.... which is y i say GO TO THE TA, i think all new ppl must go to TA for atleast 1 day b4 going into any other arenas
-BigBOBCH
Translation:
I can barely speak English, let alone answer questions. I'm too busy being a tard and PMing people who kill me.
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Originally posted by crockett
Only thing noobs need to know is to hit Alt +f4 the make the plane fly easier.
:rolleyes:
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If a newbie does something wrong like blowing a NOE or CV position, a polite message hardly ever works. I say get the newbie and shag him.... shag him ard :eek:
When that one guys $15 screws up 10 to 20 guys other $15 he really needs shaggin. The newbie will think twice next time :aok
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Originally posted by RedTop
Radier73 was just flat frikin rude to a squaddie of mine today....when called to the =mat about ithis answer was "I hate new names so Im rude to them" . Something to that effect.....I was filming a fflight at the time....
This is total B.S..
Personally I don't mind answring questions....lending a hand where I can.....If I don't feel like hearing a bunch of it I squelch it.
Certain people....(yes I know detune 200) need to learn manners....civility...and being a contributing member in a good way...instead of being a contributing member of the "I;ll be a dik to all " club.
Can't expect a lot out of a squeaker, Red.
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Originally posted by Stang
Can't expect a lot out of a squeaker, Red.
I'm learning this. It's ashamed tho. A lil nicness and not trying to immulate some of the more , lets say , "Vocal" types would sure go further.
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I am still pretty new here so it is probably easier for me to remember what it was like to not know how to accomplish what I was trying to do than some. I first dowloaded AH2 about a year ago and I was lucky enough to be around to fly some on H2H and able to learn alot there. Yes i was one of those freeloaders but this alowed me the oppurtunity to learn in an enviroment that is not so busy. I still have a long way to go but this did help. It is obvious though that H2H is not coming back but I also did not know that there was any place to find a sight that would offer info to help learn this game until I found the message boards. I think the best ideas I read here has been
1) answer their questions and refer them to the help pages for further assistance (which can be accessed without closing of software). this was a big help for me once i found.
2)pointing out to them that there is an arena for the purpose to learn maybe if you are in a giving mood at that time meet them there to at leaast help with getting off ground (i know most will not take this option but this would show the willingness to help).
I know when I started this flying my cartoon plane I could have used lots of help and I could hae spent lots of time in TA trying to learning to do more. I also know that sine I am limited on time and I choose to not do this I get shot down alot easier than most who have the same amount of time so maybe my advise is not worth as much as others but if we do not all pitch in and try to keep these new players involved HTC will not survive and will eventually have to shut down because a business that does not grow cannot keep the interest of their customers. So PLEASE don't chase off the newbs. Instruction them politely and if you are to soured and can't find a way to help out then keep your comments to yourself and squelch those that annoy you.
just a thought from a newbie
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what's channel 200? i never heard of it before.
is that secret goverment brainwashing radio???
:D :D :D
:noid
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Originally posted by yankedudel
I am a "NOOB" to AH and trying to make due with the mouse and keyboard until the funds come around to get the controls. My best advise for "noobs" using the mouse and keyboard and trying to learn that way, as I am, is to not even get in an arena setting unless it is the training area. I just try to learn offline so #1 I dont get in anyone's way and #2 I am not constantly getting my a** shot off!!!
I cant wait til Wed to get the stick and throttle...LOOK OUT "VETS" HERE COMES THE NOOB!!!!!!!!!! J/K
good luck man i played for six months with a mouse in hth got the stick and and to learn the game all over again.
i learned most of the basic stuff about ah in hth there was a very nice player who always ran a good room (benny moore)
i learned basic acm from him and a few others had fun and good fights.
but still after all that i was not ready for the ma environment.
so yes i got the stick and went back into training. and now id consider myself average if not sligthly above.
anyone who wants to really really enjoy this game should invest the time to read this site net aces and a few others. the information (truth, gospel, whatever) is out there. and it takes little from you to utilize it.
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Originally posted by dkff49
I am still pretty new here so it is probably easier for me to remember what it was like to not know how to accomplish what I was trying to do than some. I first dowloaded AH2 about a year ago and I was lucky enough to be around to fly some on H2H and able to learn alot there. Yes i was one of those freeloaders but this alowed me the oppurtunity to learn in an enviroment that is not so busy. I still have a long way to go but this did help. It is obvious though that H2H is not coming back but I also did not know that there was any place to find a sight that would offer info to help learn this game until I found the message boards. I think the best ideas I read here has been
1) answer their questions and refer them to the help pages for further assistance (which can be accessed without closing of software). this was a big help for me once i found.
2)pointing out to them that there is an arena for the purpose to learn maybe if you are in a giving mood at that time meet them there to at leaast help with getting off ground (i know most will not take this option but this would show the willingness to help).
I know when I started this flying my cartoon plane I could have used lots of help and I could hae spent lots of time in TA trying to learning to do more. I also know that sine I am limited on time and I choose to not do this I get shot down alot easier than most who have the same amount of time so maybe my advise is not worth as much as others but if we do not all pitch in and try to keep these new players involved HTC will not survive and will eventually have to shut down because a business that does not grow cannot keep the interest of their customers. So PLEASE don't chase off the newbs. Instruction them politely and if you are to soured and can't find a way to help out then keep your comments to yourself and squelch those that annoy you.
just a thought from a newbie
I remember when I came to this game...... wayyyyyyy back in time :D
I had the advantage to have come from another flight sim (AW) so I had a general idea of whats what. Controls were different, and more numerous, flight model way different, community was different. On top of that I was CO of the 444th Air Mafia and felt it was my obligation to help the rest of my squad transition as quickly and easily as they could. I spend days hunting for information, reading all kinds of info, posting stuff that I found helpful for the rest of the squad.
The problem today is most of these new people are kids, and want everything spoon fed to them. They haven't the slightest clue what research is. Thats why you get these clowns going off on 200, and here all of them crying give me give me !!
I'll try to help when I can, but after the 4th or 5th question that comes from the same guy that could be found with a little reading, I'm done. I tell them about the TA and the Trainers site, and then they are on there own.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I'll try to help when I can, but after the 4th or 5th question that comes from the same guy that could be found with a little reading, I'm done. I tell them about the TA and the Trainers site, and then they are on there own.
this is all I am saying. My big point is to send to the resources to find the help they need because sometimes it is not easy to find.
I will also quote my mother "if you don't have someting nice to say then don't say anything at all"
respectfully
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Hydrolik, who dat?
Let the noobs learn and ask q's, it ain't that bad. Sounds like someone's a legend in their own mind.
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Being that I'm still new, and received plenty of help when I first started, I try to help out the guys that are just started by answering those first few mundane questions most newbs ask.
The way I see it is; most vets of the game have spent ample amount of time helping out new guys so it's the new guys duty to pass the information along to the 'next generation' that come to learn and play AH2.
Not so much the buck being passed as it is following a sort of chain of command.
Makes sense in my head, at least.
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Originally posted by kj714
Hydrolik, who dat?
He was my first squelch. Aww I remember it like it was yesterday...... There was such a smile on my face and my eyes sparkled. A warm beautiful day it was.....You never forget your first:p
Respectfully,
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most noob questions i put into two categories:
1: the no response category
2: the busy climbing out, i will help category.
category 1 is reserved for those clowns who haven't even spent
5 min offline getting airborne.
seriously what makes a person want to jump into an online gaming
event without the slightest clue when they have the opportunity
to try it offline first.
o wait i know, it's called laziness.
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i noticed one thing though since i got my microphone and i am always on country channel i rarely even look at the chat box unless i am climbing out, in tower or looking for you killed (or destroyed) ------ messages.
so hence i rarely even see noobs ask questions lol
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Originally posted by soupcan
most noob questions i put into two categories:
1: the no response category
2: the busy climbing out, i will help category.
category 1 is reserved for those clowns who haven't even spent
5 min offline getting airborne.
seriously what makes a person want to jump into an online gaming
event without the slightest clue when they have the opportunity
to try it offline first.
o wait i know, it's called laziness.
The excitement of logging on for the first time and seeing all the action. The fact that most games really don't require much except to jump in and start blasting.
Most noobs either get going or figure out they've got to TA pretty quick.
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What I find bemusing is the fact that often, the first ones to flame are the same noobs that were asking the questions 2-3 months ago. :huh [/B][/QUOTE]
Hear, hear.
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hay how do i mak my plane go faster
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Originally posted by Meatwad
hay how do i mak my plane go faster
uze dah power ups11!!!. u kno, when u see planez wit dat fir3 behind zem? Sha woooooosh!@#111.
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Originally posted by yankedudel
I am a "NOOB" to AH and trying to make due with the mouse and keyboard until the funds come around to get the controls. My best advise for "noobs" using the mouse and keyboard and trying to learn that way, as I am, is to not even get in an arena setting unless it is the training area. I just try to learn offline so #1 I dont get in anyone's way and #2 I am not constantly getting my a** shot off!!!
I cant wait til Wed to get the stick and throttle...LOOK OUT "VETS" HERE COMES THE NOOB!!!!!!!!!! J/K
Sir you have my respect.. You are showing that you use that brain :) When I first downloaded AH I started playing with it off line and learned most of what I needed to know befor I ever logged onto the MA, though I started out with a stick.
this has got to be the best advice for a noob, try it offline and find out a stick is worth it, go get said stick and then you won't be waisting the 2 free weeks. :)
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Most people starting the game dont want to read the manual, they just want to get up and fly. I'll help a guy get started. The new guy has to understand though, that the other players are trying to play a game too. There is a limit to the number of questions before people start to get irked.
The funny thing is though, more people get riled over "How do I start my engine?", than they do the "Nice HO!", WTG Rammer!", crap we see every 10 seconds on 200.
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I think LTARmac is kewl.
:)
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Erm, I'm a noob guys, anyone help me?
:aok :p
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Sir you have my respect.. You are showing that you use that brain :)
Hey Thanks!!!! Can you tell my wife that!:D
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The funny thing is though, more people get riled over "How do I start my engine?", than they do the "Nice HO!", WTG Rammer!", crap we see every 10 seconds on 200.
For me, that's because it shows me that this person hasn't bothered to look at the available information on how to use the software he has downloaded. While I don't get 'riled'...I do go into ignore mode.
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I also detune 200 if its getting out of hand; especially if i'm laughing too hard :D