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Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Citabria on December 08, 2007, 10:08:44 AM
its not enjoyable to watch and the motion is very jerky without any sense of fluid motion.

all planes warp and jitter about .2k back and forth. its not fun to watch and quite annoying that what would have been a great film capture is spoiled by this bug.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: rogerdee on December 08, 2007, 02:03:07 PM
i agree
i have some film clips to make in to a movie but cannot use any of them.
Even a clip filmed off line is the same.

its just not useable
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: acfireguy26 on December 16, 2007, 12:09:25 AM
Thought I was the only one this was happening to. Wish this were fixed.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: B@tfinkV on December 16, 2007, 11:46:24 AM
me too.

only happened since the film viewer was told to be using a higher frame capture %  than before
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: acfireguy26 on December 30, 2007, 09:18:57 PM
I hope this will be addressed soon.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: scottydawg on January 09, 2008, 01:12:20 PM
Jus tbumping to the top of the stack in the hopes that someone from HTC will give us a little info on what, if anything, is being done to fix it.

Does anyone know if the older film viewers will work with the current version's films?
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Krusty on January 09, 2008, 03:11:12 PM
Oddly enough, I only get this jumping/stuttering when I have it on fast-forward.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 09, 2008, 03:40:10 PM
No one here can reproduce this, so far.

Maybe there is a piece of the puzzle missing.

1)  Is your film folder full?  There is a limit on how many films you can have in a Windows folder before Windows itself starts acting badly when it needs to access a file.

2)  Are you using any custom camera shots?  It is possible to get jerky motion when usingreally long camera shots (distances).

3)  Are the films from thr current release of Aces High II, or an older release?
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: acfireguy26 on January 09, 2008, 03:51:28 PM
I will post a film tomarrow to show you what is happening on my end.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: scottydawg on January 09, 2008, 04:13:46 PM
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
No one here can reproduce this, so far.

Maybe there is a piece of the puzzle missing.

1)  Is your film folder full?  There is a limit on how many films you can have in a Windows folder before Windows itself starts acting badly when it needs to access a file.

2)  Are you using any custom camera shots?  It is possible to get jerky motion when usingreally long camera shots (distances).

3)  Are the films from thr current release of Aces High II, or an older release?


1) The film folder on my PC has 164 files in it and a total folder size of 954 MB.
I am running Windows XP SP2 on a pretty high end machine.

2) the jitters occur regardless of distance but are very noticeable up close, jumping from 2 to 300K out in sort of a pulsing type of motion, like predictable lag, so to speak.

3) I will test with older films and current version films and revert.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: scottydawg on January 09, 2008, 05:50:29 PM
Just noticed that I have an older Beta version installed on another drive for some reason, the film viewer version that was automatically firing up was 2.07p4 from that build, May 2006.  

Things look better on the actual 2.11 version of the film viewer.

I recommend all people having jitter/warp problems check their version (Help > About) and make sure they've got the latest one linked.  If not, you can right click an AHF file, select "Open With", then click "Browse" and browse to ahfilm.exe in the directory that  your current version resides in.  Also make sure that you tick the "Always use the selected program..." box.

The default installed location for the ahfilm.exe file is C:\Program Files\HTC\Aces High II\ and the correct file datestamp is 9/19/2007 12:30 PM

I suspect that since a certain version of AH, the call in the setup that updates the ahf file association is no longer made, and if you install to a different location, it will use the old ahfilm if not overwritten.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: rogerdee on January 10, 2008, 04:08:17 PM
well i just deleted ah and ahfilm viewer then redownloaded a fresh copy

still got the problem of judders and wraps when the plane is to close to anything.

now i cant make any films so thats another part of my AH enjoyment gone down the crapper.

If things are going to change it ould be niice if it was for the better.

And before anyone says its my pc i  have cleaned AH from both my pcs and reienstalled it and both have the same problem.
 2 different computers 2 different specs both with the same problem.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 10, 2008, 04:40:49 PM
Did you physically delete the HTC folder before installing a new copy rogerdee?

If you did, could you send me a DXDIAG output?  We have a variety of machines around here and I cannot duplicate this problem at all.

Would you send me a film that demonstrates the problem you are seeing as well?
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: acfireguy26 on January 10, 2008, 11:48:51 PM
Skuzzy I sent you two examples of what my films look like. I sent it to support@hitechcreations.com . I Thank you for anything you can do to help.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Kermit de frog on January 11, 2008, 02:14:33 AM
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219835 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=219835)
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 11, 2008, 07:24:05 AM
We use FRAPS also, and I cannot get the issue to show up there either.  The footage in the current commercial was captured using FRAPS.

EDIT:  By the way.  We need the actual films (.ahf) showing the problem.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Kermit de frog on January 11, 2008, 10:59:53 AM
I have the ahf and wmv file posted.

It's in all my Der Grosse Schlag Senario AH films.  4 total all filmed back in October.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 11, 2008, 11:14:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by acfireguy26
Skuzzy I sent you two examples of what my films look like. I sent it to support@hitechcreations.com . I Thank you for anything you can do to help.
Both films you sent play as smooth as silk for me using the current released Film Viewer.

The only time I could get a stutter was when you first pull the trigger in the second film.  Please send me a DXDIAG output and also how you have the various options in the "Video Settings" configured for the game.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 11, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I have the ahf and wmv file posted.

It's in all my Der Grosse Schlag Senario AH films.  4 total all filmed back in October.
Your ahf film plays smoothly.  With FRAPS running, it still played smooth, for the most part.  When recording with FRAP, it got choppy.  I also noticed in the recording when it got choppy the frame rate was below 30FPS.

The video is going to be choppy if the frame rate gets below 30FPS as FRAPS has no way to interpolate between frames so it fills frames with the same frame of data until the frame is updated.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: acfireguy26 on January 11, 2008, 01:09:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Both films you sent play as smooth as silk for me using the current released Film Viewer.

The only time I could get a stutter was when you first pull the trigger in the second film.  Please send me a DXDIAG output and also how you have the various options in the "Video Settings" configured for the game.


Ok I will send the info you require but it will be tomarrow evening thank you.

P.S. This is odd. The first film for me looks like night(was filmed as day) and is very jittery. The second is just very jittery(warpy).
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: rogerdee on January 16, 2008, 10:13:36 AM
its funny but i tried some older films before the latest game update and the film viewer was changed and it worked perfect,even close formation flying.

It seems to be only the lastest films from the last update of either the game of film viewer are affected for me
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 16, 2008, 01:05:33 PM
Any chance I could get one of those films?
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: rogerdee on January 16, 2008, 05:16:26 PM
i take it you want the ahf film part and not the fraps film or d you want clips of both so u can see the reslts that i am getting
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: Skuzzy on January 17, 2008, 05:49:35 AM
First of all, is the stuttering only happening in FRAPS?  Is the frame rate shown by FRAPS dropping below 30 during the record?  If so, there is nothing we can do about it.

Anytime FRAPS drops below 30, there will be stutters in a film.  It cannot be avoided.

But, yes, I would need the AHF file.
Title: film viewer playback is unsable for a lot of us due to very jitter warpy playback
Post by: rogerdee on January 17, 2008, 03:19:00 PM
no these films are stuttering with fraps not even being on ,when  i am just viewing them,i noticed it since the last update of the fim viewer but as i said before it did not do it when i tried a older film from earlier in the year.