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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: falcon23 on December 08, 2007, 10:08:40 PM
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This is the machine which I have,it has an integrated ati card..
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?docname=c00732301&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
Can I upgrade the video card easily?I have upgraded to a gig of ram,and am trying to get things to work a little easier..
Thanks,
Kevin
THinking of this card at wal-mart...any opinions?or better suggestions..
Visiontek Radeon X1550 CrossFire Ready (PCI-e, 256MB)
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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/8/2007, 21:59:16
Machine name: THETANK
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
System Model: EW171AV-ABA a1520y
BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/22/2006 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 960MB RAM
Page File: 298MB used, 1575MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Series (0x5A61)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5A61&SUBSYS_2A3D103C&REV_00
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: HP vs17 flat panel monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6599 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 2/7/2006 15:55:50, 256000 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 2/7/2006 15:55:34, 1480704 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1921-11CF-4B6A-370AA1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5A61
SubSys ID: 0x2A3D103C
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek HD Audio rear output
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0883&SUBSYS_103C2A3D&REV_1000
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5229 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 3/8/2006 07:27:12, 4246016 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Standard
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 8000, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 33, 32
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 33, 32
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run
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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Line in/Mic in
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5229 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 3/8/2006 07:27:12, 4246016 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF
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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run
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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a
Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a
Device Name: Saitek X52 Flight Controller
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x075C
FF Driver: n/a
Device Name: Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x1
Vendor/Product ID: 0x06A3, 0x0763
FF Driver: n/a
Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK
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Gameport Devices
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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay Adapters
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DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Local Area Connection - IPv4 -
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DirectPlay Voice Codecs
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Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 57.1 GB
Total Space: 68.8 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: ST3808110AS
Drive: D:
Free Space: 0.3 GB
Total Space: 7.5 GB
File System: FAT32
Model: ST3808110AS
Drive: E:
Model: IDE-CD CDRW7352
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:00:00, 49536 bytes
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System Devices
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Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5A3F&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&08
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 22:00:00, 68224 bytes
Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5A33&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_01\3&267A616A&0&00
Driver: n/a
Name: Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_437B&SUBSYS_2A3D103C&REV_01\3&267A616A&0&A2
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\hdaudbus.sys, 5.10.0001.5013 (English), 1/7/2005 18:07:18, 138752 bytes
Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_437A&SUBSYS_2A3D103C&REV_80\3&267A616A&0&88
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:42, 25088 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:44, 95360 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:51:52, 3328 bytes
Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4379&SUBSYS_2A3D103C&REV_80\3&267A616A&0&90
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:42, 25088 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:44, 95360 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:51:52, 3328 bytes
Name: PCI standard ISA bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4377&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_80\3&267A616A&0&A3
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\isapnp.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/3/2004 22:00:00, 35840 bytes
Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4376&SUBSYS_2A3D103C&REV_80\3&267A616A&0&A1
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:42, 25088 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.2180 (English), 8/3/2004 23:59:44, 95360 bytes
Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 14:51:52, 3328 bytes
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One x16 PCI Express slot
u can add any pci-e graphics cards
NVIDIA (http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/subcategories.aspx?subcat=225&subcatname=nVidia%20PCI-Express&cat=18)
ATI (http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/subcategories.aspx?subcat=223&subcatname=ATI%20PCI-Express&cat=18)
the prices are UK based so if your in the USA double the price for a rough guesstimate.
if your not to clued up on pc's take the system specs to the shop with you and tell the person that you what "a graphics card that will work with this system". that way if it dosent work you can take it back and say you were sold hardware that is no use to you and either get your money back or get one that will work ( you were sold the device on miss information.the shops fault). if you dont then the shop can say "sorry but there's nothing wrong with the hardware and we can not replace/refund you".
even though i no a fair bit about pc's and dont have any problems picking out an upgrade i ALWAYS ask if it will work with my system.
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It would help if you could give an estimate on how much you can spend..
Visit http://www.tomshardware.com and display cards - section there. They have a very nice shopping guide with a speed comparison of cards listed in different price categories.
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Thanks for the info guys,
So basically I would just plug into the card in the comp now,,well,the "CHIIP",and just turn it off,and then run the other card I have installed?sounds pretty easy...
And ripley,I am thinking about 150-200 for a card...
thanks,
Kevin
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Falcon, see your first thread. I posted there a list of what cards will work for you from nVidia (I'm not an ATI guy)
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Actually you'd want to disable the onboard video in Bios after installing the card.
Once you do that it should then see the new video card and prompt for drivers.
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Originally posted by falcon23
Thanks for the info guys,
So basically I would just plug into the card in the comp now,,well,the "CHIIP",and just turn it off,and then run the other card I have installed?sounds pretty easy...
And ripley,I am thinking about 150-200 for a card...
thanks,
Kevin
Currently the Ati Radeon 3850 is unmatchable in the $200 range.
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Since I'm an nvidia fan, the cheapest DX10 card (if you're looking for one) I can recommend is this 8800GT 512mb at $260.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133205
However, ATI has the better lower end DX10 card. In your price range, the ATI 3850 is the best choice.
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If you've got some extra $$, the 3870 is even better!
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ok GUYS,THANKS FOR THE REPLYS,AND just so I have not confused anyone,cobra44's thread is not my comp..
But I have found some issues with mine,and want to run over them here with you..
My wattage on Power supply is only 300 with 30A..12v. rail is only 19A.
I will be looking at cards after typing this,but am wondering if I can get a decent card within these specs,and if not,I guess I will have to upgrade my PS to at least 400w??
Thanks,
Kevin
I would of went with the 3850,but wattage was wrong.and whats with the ddr2 as opposed to ddr3 memory?
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given the restraints on power you have due to0 the 300W single rail PSU, the super high end offerings from Nvidia and especially the power hogging ATI cards are kind of out of the question.. BUT you dont really need anything like that anyway..
even if you had the juice to push one of those cards it would still be money wasted because your CPU would be the bottle neck anyway..
for your current setup and for running AH2 z mid level 7 series nvidia card would be more than ample
some Ive found:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814145131
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121008
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186025
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130021
all of those cards are sub $100 and will make a huge improvement over your integrated VGA.. and shouldest give your 300W PSU any problems.
just remember:
A: after inserting the card, disable your on-board VGA
B: go to http://www.nvidia.com and download current drivers, no telling what windows will install or ho dated the drivers on the CD are..
download the latest version of DirectX (9.0C given you have XP)
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I'd highly recommend EVGA cards, mainly for their lifetime warranty. BFG also offers this.
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Originally posted by Wingnutt
given the restraints on power you have due to0 the 300W single rail PSU, the super high end offerings from Nvidia and especially the power hogging ATI cards are kind of out of the question.. BUT you dont really need anything like that anyway..
You need to check your facts, the HD3850 draws 15 watts less power than the most energy efficient nvidia card today, 8800GT. The GT draws 110 watts.
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I'd put another gig of RAM in that machine too if you can swing it.
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"You need to check your facts, the HD3850 draws 15 watts less power than the most energy efficient nvidia card today, 8800GT. The GT draws 110 watts."
HD3850 is done in 55nm process where as 8800GT is done in 65nm process. The smaller manufacturing process the smaller power consumption. The 8800GT is roughly 16% faster than HD3850.
AFAIK the older Radeons did consume more power than contemporary GFs so the capacity of the PSU may be a problem if you decide to invest in a fast but older technology graphics card. I'm not sure what the power consumption figures are in midrange where Rad and GF may be more equal.
This might help too:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html (pointed out earlier but in case you couldn't find it...)
If you blow up your PSU it is very much possible that it will break a few other components too, so IMO 300W may be enough but it was meant to supply only the original load of your comp and depending on the graphics card you decide to get it may not be safe to run it at its peak power.
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Falcon! We've been following you and you been using onboard video Yikes!! Well, it must be fairly good onboard video. I think what ever you get will be a vast improvement. You will also use less system memory. I use a GT8600. It seems fairly good. Others have put it down. I'm satisfied though.
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AFAIK the older Radeons did consume more power than contemporary GFs so the capacity of the PSU may be a problem if you decide to invest in a fast but older technology graphics card. I'm not sure what the power consumption figures are in midrange where Rad and GF may be more equal.[/B]
Don't tell me I made a huge mistake of buying a HD2900pro. It blows heat like a hairdryer and pwns my 450W power supply bad.
I'm thinking of dumping the almost $400 purchase.
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Originally posted by Getback
Falcon! We've been following you and you been using onboard video Yikes!! Well, it must be fairly good onboard video. I think what ever you get will be a vast improvement. You will also use less system memory. I use a GT8600. It seems fairly good. Others have put it down. I'm satisfied though.
:lol getback..that will be fixed very soon..
I wont mention that I am on satellite internet :D :rofl
Kevin
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I want to thank everyone for their input..:aok
and here is what I decided on.."DRUM ROLL PLEASE"
EVGA GeForce8600GT 512Mb 128 bitGddr3PCIe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130290&Tpk=evga-512-p2-n757-tr
THoughts,opinions?I would like to hear them..Good and bad.
I am only running a 300W psu with 19@ on my 12 volt rail.but can upgrade if needed.
Will this card run on the PSU I have now?
And as far as I can tell,there is no extra plug I need to plug in to my PSU for this card?!?!:confused:
Thanks,
Kevin
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the 8600GT is like a Pimp with no hoes and money. Wearing all the bling but got no swing.
:p :p
j/k
:aok
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It's a good card no doubt but the 3850 should have at least double or triple price / performance ratio. You'd get much more bang for buck.
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Thanks for the replys guys..:aok
Will my PSU run this card ok until I get another one?
And will MY SYSTEM run this card ok..
Thanks,
Kevin
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OK,this is the power supply I am looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153023
But the 12 volt line is still short of the 22 AMPS the geforce 8600 card says is reccomended..Will this PSU work?
I have had some people tell me I dont need 22 amps on the 12 volt side..Is this true?The card only requires 350WPS,and the one above in the link is more..So I am thinking it will work..
I cant really afford more than $50 for a PSU..
Thanks,
Kevin